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[Yajuu Omoi]

Sulaco_7 wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Collector SMG X vs Hurricane III :

This picture makes no sense.  The numbers say:

Collector SMG X: 46.8 damage per shot
Hurricane III: 108.19 damage per shot

What's going on???

You...are going by the bars...?

Wake up dude...those bars NEVER MEANT ANYTHING. They never have.

[peddroelm]

AppealToReason wrote...

If the heat sink worked, which I'm damn near positive it doesn't, then it wouldn't be so bad.

The big thing that bothers me is that it says it has a bonus against armor but I'm pretty sure if I pissed on a brute it would do more damage.

Weapon has *1.5 "bonus" vs armor.. This "bonus" also applies to damage lost due to armor DR ...(same mechanics as for Typhoon)...  Which means instead of losing 50 damage to armor per shot on gold+ it will lose 75 damage (oh JOY ) ...

(800 / 60) * 75 = 1000 DPS your weapon can potentially lose UNLESS YOU DEAL WITH THE ARMOR DR (SMG HVB or AP AMMO IV) ... So yeah - people complaining it does ****** poor DPS vs armor are using it wrong - largely because of poor mechanics explaning and downright misleading weapon description from Bioware ...

[Yajuu Omoi]

peddroelmz wrote...

AppealToReason wrote...

If the heat sink worked, which I'm damn near positive it doesn't, then it wouldn't be so bad.

The big thing that bothers me is that it says it has a bonus against armor but I'm pretty sure if I pissed on a brute it would do more damage.

Weapon has *1.5 "bonus" vs armor.. This "bonus" also applies to damage lost due to armor DR ...(same mechanics as for Typhoon)...  Which means instead of losing 50 damage to armor per shot on gold+ it will lose 75 damage (oh JOY ) ...

(800 / 60) * 75 = 1000 DPS your weapon can potentially lose UNLESS YOU DEAL WITH THE ARMOR DR (SMG HVB or AP AMMO IV) ... So yeah - people complaining it does ****** poor DPS vs armor are using it wrong - largely because of poor mechanics explaning and downright misleading weapon description from Bioware ...

...without the 1.5 Damage boost to armor...the CSMG would only do 5 damage per shot to armor...thats the MINIMUM a weapon can do per shot...with the 1.5 dmg multiplier, it does 20.20 damge per shot.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:07 .

[peddroelm]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

...without the 1.5 Damage boost to armor...the CSMG would only do 5 damage per shot to armor...thats the MINIMUM a weapon can do per shot...with the 1.5 dmg multiplier, it does 20.20 damge per shot.

20.2 damage per shot fully qualifies as ****** poor .. You NEED to deal with armor DR if you want to do meaninful DPS vs armor.. Also aim for the head - its laser accurate 

[Yajuu Omoi]

peddroelmz wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

...without the 1.5 Damage boost to armor...the CSMG would only do 5 damage per shot to armor...thats the MINIMUM a weapon can do per shot...with the 1.5 dmg multiplier, it does 20.20 damge per shot.

20.2 damage per shot fully qualifies as ****** poor .. You NEED to deal with armor DR if you want to do meaninful DPS vs armor.. Also aim for the head - its laser accurate 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its worth its UR rating by ANY means.
I'm just saying it can't lose a whole ton since its already at the minimum without the 1.5 boost.

[peddroelm]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its worth its UR rating by ANY means.
I'm just saying it can't lose a whole ton since its already at the minimum without the 1.5 boost.

 

Only if you use it on character without weapon bonuses // consumables // weapon add-ons//NEVER headshot

Weapon CAN LOSE 1k DPS vs armor... Which is the same with Weapon can GAIN 1k DPS vs armor if you take steps and remove//minimize armor DR ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:44 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

I thought it was terrible after my first game, then I put on the extended clip and HVB or DB, depending on if you are using AP ammo. It's a good weapon on casting classes classes but you need to get headshots, which isn't hard considering it has nonexistent recoil.

[RedJohn]

xcaliz0rz wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...



Outscoring the average PUG on Firebase Glacier of all maps, with an Infiltrator of all classes does not prove the CSMG is a good weapon. I could go do the same thing right now using a GI and the Geth Pulse Rifle, and make arrogant claims about how the gun is fine and everyone else is "doing it wrong" but I wouldn't be right.

Maybe the Volus Engineer is more to your liking.

Sorry, but you don't even got 50 SMG kills, that's why I consider your answer is not proper to defend your argument that the SMG is good and someone else is doing it wrong, you were using your powers and teammates as support, therefore, your answer is invalid.
 


Also, you had prox mine. 

If you want to prove a point about a weapon, you should try it without prox mine, hunter mode, cloak or devast... mode. 

Modifié par RedJohn, 12 octobre 2012 - 05:00 .

[J4mes]

TBH, I have the SMG at rank 1 and it was doing decent damage.

Then again I was using this build: narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#16LKANRr1@0EE@@E4C4@0@0...

...with a Collector SMG that has Magazine/Piercing Mod added.

Maybe get better?

Modifié par J4mes, 12 octobre 2012 - 05:02 .

[J4mes]

RedJohn wrote...

xcaliz0rz wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...



Outscoring the average PUG on Firebase Glacier of all maps, with an Infiltrator of all classes does not prove the CSMG is a good weapon. I could go do the same thing right now using a GI and the Geth Pulse Rifle, and make arrogant claims about how the gun is fine and everyone else is "doing it wrong" but I wouldn't be right.

Maybe the Volus Engineer is more to your liking.

Sorry, but you don't even got 50 SMG kills, that's why I consider your answer is not proper to defend your argument that the SMG is good and someone else is doing it wrong, you were using your powers and teammates as support, therefore, your answer is invalid.
 


Also, you had prox mine. 

If you want to prove a point about a weapon, you should try it without prox mine, hunter mode, cloak or devast... mode. 

Collector SMG is decent for a support weapon that doesn't run out of ammo.  Lets disregard the fact that the Hurricane is a legitimate "I WIN" button regardless of class.  Same with the Talon when it comes to the Pistols.

If you ignore the two best caster weapons, then it is decent.

[Induhvidual]

After seeing this thread I just had to give the Collector SMG a go. So I chose a beefy class (Turian Ghost) and went with a Gold PUG vs the Reapers. I put on Warp III and SMG Rail Amp III. We landed on FB dagger, I think--it was the one with the bunker to the right of the LZ.

So, I soloed rounds 7 through 9 and man is this gun the most frustrating and horrible POS I have ever had the displeasure of using. It took forever to kill a GOLD ravager. The DPS was horrendous. I would rather use a Predator X or Avenger X than this ultra rare SMG. This gun is a joke compared to the collector sniper rifle, which, while difficult to use, actually does some damage.

How did our scores compare? I scored SLIGHTLY higher than the 2nd place human adept. Keep in mind that I soloed THREE waves. I probably wouldn't have even broken the 50k mark otherwise.

Probably the chief problem with this gun is the tiny clip size. Every time you accidentally hit zero, you're forced to wait an hour for the thing to reload. Of course, this wouldn't be too big of a problem if the gun did decent damage.

@OP's question: Yes, I do believe this gun is a giant joke.

EDIT: I believe the I had the gun at level 1 or 2.

Modifié par Induhvidual, 12 octobre 2012 - 09:58 .

[peddroelm]

Induhvidual wrote...

After seeing this thread I just had to give the Collector SMG a go. So I chose a beefy class (Turian Ghost) and went with a Gold PUG vs the Reapers. I put on Warp III and SMG Rail Amp III. We landed on FB dagger, I think--it was the one with the bunker to the right of the LZ....

 


If Warp ammo III (50% armor weakness) was all you had to deal with armor DR you were still lossing ~500 DPS vs armor DR ... This weapon and the typhoon need you to deal with armor DR (minimize ) to perform well as expected vs armor ... 

The weapon description that states it is very effective vs armor is a trap ... A recipe for failure and forum whine ...

[heybigmoney]

Just because its not the hurricane doesn't mean its worthless.

[heybigmoney]

xcaliz0rz wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...



Outscoring the average PUG on Firebase Glacier of all maps, with an Infiltrator of all classes does not prove the CSMG is a good weapon. I could go do the same thing right now using a GI and the Geth Pulse Rifle, and make arrogant claims about how the gun is fine and everyone else is "doing it wrong" but I wouldn't be right.

Maybe the Volus Engineer is more to your liking.

This man is doing it right.

Modifié par heybigmoney, 12 octobre 2012 - 09:02 .

[heybigmoney]

RedJohn wrote...

Sorry, but you don't even got 50 SMG kills, that's why I consider your answer is not proper to defend your argument that the SMG is good and someone else is doing it wrong, you were using your powers and teammates as support, therefore, your answer is invalid.
 


Also, you had prox mine. 

If you want to prove a point about a weapon, you should try it without prox mine, hunter mode, cloak or devast... mode. 

By this logic, caster weapons like the falcon and acolyte are complete and total garbage because you need to get 75 assault rifle or pistol kills per game for a weapon to be worth using.  

[Yajuu Omoi]

heybigmoney wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Sorry, but you don't even got 50 SMG kills, that's why I consider your answer is not proper to defend your argument that the SMG is good and someone else is doing it wrong, you were using your powers and teammates as support, therefore, your answer is invalid.
 


Also, you had prox mine. 

If you want to prove a point about a weapon, you should try it without prox mine, hunter mode, cloak or devast... mode. 

By this logic, caster weapons like the falcon and acolyte are complete and total garbage because you need to get 75 assault rifle or pistol kills per game for a weapon to be worth using.  

Wrong sir.
Caster weapons are meant to be light weight and good with combos. Not get kills.
The CSMG is not a lightweight caster weapon. Its directed more towards the damage dealing type...which it doesn't do very well.

EDIT: There are many different niche weapons, some meant to get kills, others meant to disable, set-up a combo etc.
Not ALL weapons are there to kill with.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 12 octobre 2012 - 09:35 .

[sirdario1986]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

I thought it was terrible after my first game, then I put on the extended clip and HVB or DB, depending on if you are using AP ammo. It's a good weapon on casting classes classes but you need to get headshots, which isn't hard considering it has nonexistent recoil.

^ This.
At level X it also does quite a good damage; you have just to be careful and not finish clips, but with 80 of them it isn't that hard...

[heybigmoney]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Sorry, but you don't even got 50 SMG kills, that's why I consider your answer is not proper to defend your argument that the SMG is good and someone else is doing it wrong, you were using your powers and teammates as support, therefore, your answer is invalid.
 


Also, you had prox mine. 

If you want to prove a point about a weapon, you should try it without prox mine, hunter mode, cloak or devast... mode. 

By this logic, caster weapons like the falcon and acolyte are complete and total garbage because you need to get 75 assault rifle or pistol kills per game for a weapon to be worth using.  

Wrong sir.
Caster weapons are meant to be light weight and good with combos. Not get kills.
The CSMG is not a lightweight caster weapon. Its directed more towards the damage dealing type...which it doesn't do very well.

EDIT: There are many different niche weapons, some meant to get kills, others meant to disable, set-up a combo etc.
Not ALL weapons are there to kill with.

Way to completely miss the point.

[Lexa_D]

Is it better than Locust considering no recoil and headshot bonus?

[Virgil Sweetlove]

k1ngl1ves wrote...

It's only an Smg. No smg should be a boss killer...

That is not the point, It is an ULTRA RARE way underpowered

[Rodia Driftwood]

k1ngl1ves wrote...

Ahh... Another unsatisfying anger/troll thread from our favorite/brainless OP.

Reported. Get some air, man.

[stysiaq]

I think that CSMG is an Ultra Rare because you rarely see such pile of garbage.

Honestly, when I read the description of the gun, I imagined it doesn't need reloading at all, like the Tempest on Human Soldier. But no.

[sy7ar]

heybigmoney wrote...

xcaliz0rz wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...



Outscoring the average PUG on Firebase Glacier of all maps, with an Infiltrator of all classes does not prove the CSMG is a good weapon. I could go do the same thing right now using a GI and the Geth Pulse Rifle, and make arrogant claims about how the gun is fine and everyone else is "doing it wrong" but I wouldn't be right.

Maybe the Volus Engineer is more to your liking.

This man is doing it right.

http://youtu.be/AthoNK0V5lU?t=17m55s

I'm pretty sure Disciple is an excellent weapon then..

[megabeast37215]

Everyone I know that says it sucks... doesn't have it at X. Everyone I know who has it at X says is decent to great.

The Particle Rifle is the same way... totally sucks at low level... when it gets to VII+... it starts rocking.

I think it's a pretty good gun, easily the 2nd best SMG... but the Hurricane is still better at killing. Collector SMG doesn't need all the stability help the Hurricane does though... and I feel it's better at applying ammo powers.

[nicethugbert]

Even when aiming for the head, CSMG is lackluster. URs should not be lackluster. CSMG should be a rare at best, not a UR. It's a poor man's PPR at the PPR price. Not a fair deal.