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[max999]

We can all argue until we're blue in the face what kind of changes were made and how they affected gameplay. The thing that will make BW take notice of this problem is in the numbers. When they look at the stats and see mission failure rates have shot up dramatically (especially for gold), they'll realize something's wrong.

I've been a gold player for awhile now and I've never experienced such a high number of mission failures (not getting to extraction).

[Harbingerpromo]

Shield still existing. Health been depleted.

[Untonic]

They removed it?!

AGAIN nerfing the players.

[sareth_65536]

ItZ LupOz wrote...

people like you are just plain annoying, you probably die 3-4 times a game so you dont notice the change, i used to NEVER die, now im going down 2 to 3 times a game, the vorcha is completely worthless, and krogans die as fast as humans when sheild gate is down, stuff has changed for the worse.  and did you really call me Itz? holy crap your an idiot

edit: and the point of my previos comment was to say that you probably have cyclonic module, incendiary ammo 3, weapon amps, etc that make the game easier, whereas i dont and that might be why you dont notice a difference

I didn't die before and don't die now after I got used to. Stuff has changed but I don't care. They may left it as is or fix it and I don't care again

UpirNoir wrote...

The Video was obviously intended for demonstation purposes and it show quite effectively, what we are talking about. And your comment was completely missing the point tof the video

missed the point of ItZ LupOz's responce again [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

jakal66 wrote...

You're gonna sit in front of your screen and tell me you shilds are behaving the same as thy used to...and you're not going down easier in gold?You're not spending more medigels?
Come on![smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

I didn't say that nothing has changed anywhere...

[UpirNoir]

sareth_65536 wrote...

UpirNoir wrote...

The Video was obviously intended for demonstation purposes and it show quite effectively, what we are talking about. And your comment was completely missing the point tof the video

missed the point of ItZ LupOz's responce again [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

What are you talking about ??

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

I'd be happy if they just brought shield-gate back, though your proposed changes would likely work out fine as well.

[m4dh4xx0r]

Kama45 wrote...

Has Bioware addressed the issue in another thread? Too many possible search results regarding the issue...

Not that I'm aware of.  I don't believe they've said anything about it at all.

[Dilandau3000]

I went through some of my old videos, and I'm not convinced the delay was there before. Check this video, at 33:53 I get meleed by a phantom who takes down my shields and instantly kills me, no delay whatsoever (skipping right over the health gate as well).

This was recorded months before the patch and DLC.

[Deathcrave]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

I went through some of my old videos, and I'm not convinced the delay was there before. Check this video, at 33:53 I get meleed by a phantom who takes down my shields and instantly kills me, no delay whatsoever (skipping right over the health gate as well).

This was recorded months before the patch and DLC.

This happened once in awhile before, but it happens more often than not now.

It was for sure a random glitch before, now it is just a matter of the gates being removed all together.

[whateverman7]

Chobbly wrote...

Glad it's working for you - at least someone else is enjoying the game, so happy hunting. Sadly for me I'm not and I'm not the only one going by the multiple threads. It now feels very unfair.

*disclaimer - this isnt personally at you, so dont take offense*

the attitude of this thread and others like it is a representation of the new generation gamers...they're soft when it comes to gaming...they want people to walk them through it, hold their hand through the finish...it's a reason devs are making games easier nowadays; games you cant die; in some cases, games that will play themselves for you....yes, there has been a change to make the game harder....as a gamer, you should adjust to that change, not ask for it to be made easier...is it frustrating?yes...is it unplayable? hell no...

[whateverman7]

m4dh4xx0r wrote...

The game is no fun when you're just constantly reviving one another.  It's frustrating.  Not to mention you get stomped faster than ever before.

that's not the case if you work together as a team....if you lone wolf it, you'll be pissed at the change cause you cant do like you did before...if you work as a team you'll find the game frustrating, but in a good way....all the change did was make you work together as a team more.....it is a co-op game after all....

[whateverman7]

UpirNoir wrote...

Wrong. It is pure luck. If you don't even have the chance to react to certain situations, that is not challenging, that is random. A challenge would be if you could react. But if you just die like that, without even having the chance to avoid death, that's not a challenge. Oh look, you just happened to turn the wrong corner, ah well tough luck. No, that's not how a challenge works. And with the newly overly aggressive enemies with pinpoint accuracy accross the entire map, this wrong corner feels like every corner now.

luck? lol if you say so...playing this game isnt luck...beating this game isnt luck...all you have to do is work together....cause you do have time to react, you have time to beat any and everything in the game....all bw did was implement it so teamwork is important now, that's it....that's the only change....the game is probably now like it was suppose to be at the beginning when it comes to actually working together in a co-op manner

[LukC]

mykejm wrote...

jkthunder wrote...

To add - Not only am I going down much more often, with health and shield gates seemingly dropping quicker than ever, but on many occasions I have found myself downed with no offender listed in the kill feed.

I forgot about that but you're right!  This has happened to me, too.

Yep, lately I dropped dead many times, with no info who did the killing :/

[Tal_Elmar]

whateverman7 wrote...

Chobbly wrote...

Glad it's working for you - at least someone else is enjoying the game, so happy hunting. Sadly for me I'm not and I'm not the only one going by the multiple threads. It now feels very unfair.

*disclaimer - this isnt personally at you, so dont take offense*

the attitude of this thread and others like it is a representation of the new generation gamers...they're soft when it comes to gaming...they want people to walk them through it, hold their hand through the finish...it's a reason devs are making games easier nowadays; games you cant die; in some cases, games that will play themselves for you....yes, there has been a change to make the game harder....as a gamer, you should adjust to that change, not ask for it to be made easier...is it frustrating?yes...is it unplayable? hell no...

This is not some hepothetical gamers' attitide and it's not about challenge. It's just about cheap artificial increase in difficulty. Cheap as the Geth, in fact. As many-many people said in the thread, many classes are now pretty unplayable above silver. You wanna play SR infiltrator or stay in cover all the time? You won't go down easily. If you enjoy meleeing or agressive behaviour, you are screwed. I can't really top the scores with my Vorcha anymore.
What is worse, I don't see the need for this change.

AND BW are silent again 

[sareth_65536]

whateverman7 wrote...

the attitude of this thread and others like it is a representation of the new generation gamers...they're soft when it comes to gaming...they want people to walk them through it, hold their hand through the finish...it's a reason devs are making games easier nowadays; games you cant die; in some cases, games that will play themselves for you....yes, there has been a change to make the game harder....as a gamer, you should adjust to that change, not ask for it to be made easier...is it frustrating?yes...is it unplayable? hell no...

oh, how MUCH you are right...

Tal_Elmar wrote...
many classes are now pretty unplayable above silver. 

which ones? please tell exactly

[TheLastAwakening]

Something is different...

[vonSlash]

Shieldgate still exists.

Healthgate doesn't, which sucks for low-shield classes.

[Shpoon]

I find it baffling that a thread 14 pages long with 5 stars about an issue has no BioWare comment on it 

[Tal_Elmar]

sareth_65536 wrote...

Tal_Elmar wrote...
many classes are now pretty unplayable above silver. 

which ones? please tell exactly

I already told you, the ones relying on health. The Vorcha specifically. Pretty much most melee builds

[Cohen le Barbare]

It's like when you're being fired at from 2 sources, the first one deals with your shield, the second goes straight through your health. It's just bad. It is also very weird to have no feedback from BW on this. I'm pretty sure they realized something is wrong. Hopefully we'll know more soon.

[Sovereign24]

I don't know what they changed, but I can definitely tell a difference. Have been dying in situations (normally with low health toons) that I usually didn't before.

[sareth_65536]

Tal_Elmar wrote...

I already told you, the ones relying on health. The Vorcha specifically. Pretty much most melee builds

no way vorcha are screwed. I've played them yesterday and they are ok maybe only scores a bit less due to careful play
Which ones do you consider as an effective melee build for gold? Is shadow a melee build? Is GI a melee build?

Modifié par sareth_65536, 12 octobre 2012 - 10:09 .

[Titus Thongger]

Tal_Elmar wrote...

sareth_65536 wrote...

Tal_Elmar wrote...
many classes are now pretty unplayable above silver. 

which ones? please tell exactly

I already told you, the ones relying on health. The Vorcha specifically. Pretty much most melee builds

All of my krogan think you are a fool and they should eat you

[cgj]

i don't know what has changed for you guys

shield gate and health gate are still there it's a fact
some people say it's the invulnerability they provided for a few tenth that disappeared hence why they die to troopers easily

but there are plenty of pre-patch video, and in none of them i was able to see any invulnerability frames after hiting the gate
troopers have never given a **** about gates, a lone marauder was always able to insta-kill a geth with no fitness, HM on, and no cyclonic mod

Modifié par cgj, 12 octobre 2012 - 10:37 .

[m4dh4xx0r]

The longer they go without saying anything, the more convinced I am this is a ploy to get people to spend money.

Due to the difficulty change, you now use more consumables, and many players have to move down a difficulty to get any enjoyment out of the game. Both of these result in fewer credits, which they're hoping means more money in their pocket.