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[O______O]

I feel you. Enemy weapons already do 1000% more damage than ours.

Yes Raptor, i'm staring at you.

[Ramsutin]

O______O wrote...

I feel you. Enemy weapons already do 1000% more damage than ours.

Yes Raptor, i'm staring at you.

IMO Phaestons that Marauders have are even more ludicrous..

[Chobbly]

It would be nice to get an acknowledgement about the change and how/why it seems to have happened. Fingers crossed.

[Lucius Aelius]

/signed

This may not be gamebreaking, but it is annoying/obnoxious and should be reversed ASAP. As someone else has already said (I forget who), if this was the fix for the Vanguard Glitch, we were better off having the Vanguard Glitch. I didn't complain when the Missile Glitch was patched by removing the delay on missiles because that change was good all-around. This hurts us (a lot, and yes that was a reference to Harbinger), it went way too far, is in no-way called for, and what we're getting just isn't worth the price.

[DrunkenRonin]

Signed. Something definitely feels off.

[Exicuren]

I know what you mean, i've been playing on silver and is incredibly hard, sometime i wondre if i had put points in fitness.

If they are going to remove our shield gate, they sould do the same with the enemies.

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JSLfromBx wrote...

Ok, so I'll try to explain and I hope someone will understand, they didn't remove the shield and Health gate, they nerfed i.

Before the patch, when your shield gate or health gate was trigered it gave you a small window of invulnerability so that if the attack that killed your shield was a burst from an automatic weapon all bullets from that burst were negated

Now, after the patch player shieldgate work like enemies shield gate, meanin that ONLY the one single bullet that killed your shield or brought to to 10% HP is absorbed, the rest deal full damage. that is why shotgun infiltrator one shot ennemies and why shieldgate seem like it work with a nemesis and yet at the same time a single geth trooper can murder you in no time from the other side of the map.

If that is the case, why doesn't it apply to the Guardian who fires 6 pellets per shot and should, by your definition, now ignore the gates?

edit: Same goes for the Geth Hunter.

Modifié par count_4, 10 octobre 2012 - 08:38 .

[Khranitel]

EDIT: I'll post later, sorry

Modifié par Khranitel, 10 octobre 2012 - 08:36 .

[tfoltz]

Feels the same. Provide proof.

Modifié par tfoltz, 10 octobre 2012 - 08:35 .

[tfoltz]

Ex. Does it happen on all characters and/or maps?

[count_4]

Khranitel wrote...

EDIT: I'll post later, sorry

Just as I was about to answer. I guess you just saw the Praetorian beam in the video you linked. 

[Khranitel]

Just watch INVADERONE's video. You could start at 1:25 and till he's down at 1:30.
www.youtube.com/watch
Do you see something like shieldgate or healthgate? I did not.
Now look at another his video, which he makes in August. There are many moments like this but look at 4:50 - 4:57.
www.youtube.com/watch
He was meleed by Marauder, shieldgate was triggered, and despite he was clearly under fire of Marauder and Cannibal, his health does not going down. After that he used Ops pack and right after he started to receive damage to his barriers by enemy fire.
I think that difference is quite clear.  

[DBlack930]

Signed.

I wondered why I suddenly seemed to be dying a lot more often. I'd just chalked it up to the new, unfamiliar enemies. Very frustrating...

[Khranitel]

And one more link. Same video of INVADERONE:
www.youtube.com/watch
2:32 you clearly see that there IS healthgate.
So what does this means with conjuction of 1:30? Like I said earlier there is shield- and healthgates now, but what is realy changed that previously we had a moment of invulnerability after *-gate was kicked in. But now we don't have.

[Khranitel]

Another moments. Sorry for using not my own video, but my PC is just barely can handle the game itself and certainly not gameplay recording. 
Shieldgate triggered(3:50):
www.youtube.com/watch
Now it is very interesting moment (5:28):
www.youtube.com/watch
First shield gate was triggered, then healthgate, then INVADERONE uses his Stimulant Pack ability and replenish all his shields, THEN he was killed on spot by one Scion's blast melted all his shields and health, and without any gate triggered!  Notice, after he was revived at 5:33, remainder of his shields was with him, but quickly dropped to zero. And this is not about lag, because he is hosting!
This is just insane, because seems that there is shield- and healthgates, but a) they are not always working, and they are not working like before the patch!
I don't know what you think but I have some very serious questions for Bioware multiplayer programmers now.

Modifié par Khranitel, 10 octobre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Clayless]

It needs to be brought back.

[Tipsyfresh]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

I agree. since when do you get cross-room oneshotted by guardians?

to be fair I head shot one across the map yesterdaylol

[KrizB]

Signed.

You can tell that something changed when fighting bosses like the Geth Prime.
Before the update when all three shots hit, there would be a sliver of health left over, but now you will sometimes die right away.

Also enemies that swarm like the Collectors or Dragoon's can get in free shots before you even get out of the "revive" animation after using a medigel, causing you to go back down.

[spudspot]

Khranitel wrote...

And one more link. Same video of INVADERONE:
www.youtube.com/watch
2:32 you clearly see that there IS healthgate.
So what does this means with conjuction of 1:30? Like I said earlier there is shield- and healthgates now, but what is realy changed that previously we had a moment of invulnerability after *-gate was kicked in. But now we don't have.

Well at first I wanted to say something about cooldowns on those gates, but that incident at 1:30 totally doesn't make sense then. Or rather my explanation of it. 

Khranitel wrote...

Another moments. Sorry for using not my own video, but my PC is just barely can handle the game itself and certainly not gameplay recording. 
Shieldgate triggered(3:50):
www.youtube.com/watch
Now it is very interesting moment (5:28):
www.youtube.com/watch
First shield gate was triggered, then healthgate, then INVADERONE uses his Stimulant Pack ability and replenish all his shields, THEN he was killed on spot by one Scion's blast melted all his shields and health, and without any gate triggered! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie] Notice, after he was revived at 5:33, remainder of his shields was with him, but quickly dropped to zero. And this is not about lag, because he is hosting!
This is just insane, because seems that there is shield- and healthgates, but a) they are not always working, and they are not working like before the patch!
I don't know what you think but I have some very serious questions for Bioware multiplayer programmers now.

That there is no shieldgate at 5:28 is a result of the shieldgate cooldown. He just replenished his shields but didn't get back his shieldgate. I must admit that I've only read this a bunch of times, but I haven't seen any official confirmation. If shield and healthgate shared the same cooldown, it would explain it though. 

But in that case it would be actually better to not replenish your shields when you've been dropped to shieldgate because that would also take away your healthgate for a short time. 

Weird. 

KrizB wrote...

Also enemies that swarm like the Collectors or Dragoon's can get in free shots before you even get out of the "revive" animation after using a medigel, causing you to go back down.

This so much. Just had an escort mission against collectors and we were getting pretty wasted. After I went down and revived myself I spammed that shield boost button - was playing a Volus Engineer - but literally nothing happened before me and several others went down again. 

Modifié par spudspot, 10 octobre 2012 - 09:56 .

[Khranitel]

Ahem. Bioware, maybe it's time to stop playing Three Wise Monkeys and say something?

[DinkumGem]

After playing platinum/gold I definitely experienced the changed mechanic. Krogaurd with cm4 at full health and shield dropped in what seemed to be 2 to 3 hits. I was host, so it wasn't lag related. This needs to be discussed.

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Khranitel wrote...


Just watch INVADERONE's video. You could start at 1:25 and till he's down at 1:30.
www.youtube.com/watch
Do you see something like shieldgate or healthgate? I did not.

Well, you apparently did not read my earlier comment then. He was killed by the Praetorian beam, which ignores shield/health gate just like the Pyro does.

And since when do the gates have a cooldown? Oo

Modifié par count_4, 10 octobre 2012 - 10:24 .

[Drummernate]

I still have shieldgate...

And healthgate...

And skill...

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Signed. Someone damned well better have answers for us.

[Chaoswind]

Give us our invulnerability frames back!!!!

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