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[legbamel]

Freckles04 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I can't blame him for being willing to walk, although I wish they'd had him go off and die trying to fight the blight alone. It seems more in character. If he stays, he's one of only 3 grey wardens--one of them betrayed everything he believes in and murdered the king, the other betrayed him personally. Rather than thinking 'how could he go', I think 'how could he stay.' After everything he's gone through in his life, the betrayal of the PC would just be one too many to take.

This.

A lot of people have complained about his reaction at the Landsmeet, how it's out of character, but I don't think it is. Here is a man who has never belonged anywhere, and that's all he really wanted out of life: to have a place, to feel like he was wanted. He found that with the Grey Wardens, briefly, then it was ripped away. Following that, he makes a place for himself with the PC, belonging in that group. When the PC betrays him by sparing Duncan's murderer, Alistair realizes he has nothing. He has no place, no family, and the purpose he'd occupied himself with suddenly has no meaning. That's why I'm not surprised he turns his back on the Blight and the Wardens. Yes, it would have been nice to see him step up anyway, but that would require an ability to step back from his emotions that Alistair really doesn't have. He is a deeply flawed man, and that is very apparent in his reaction at the Landsmeet.

That was the only point in any of my playthroughs where I almost cried.  I knew he was going to leave (heck, he was at the Landsmeet in his undies) but I had no idea how hurt he would sound, and how very little I would be allowed to defend my decision.  I was only letting Loghain live for the achievement and so that I could kill him!  I expected more of a hissy fit and less of a passionate speech. 

Hubby can't stand Alistair, he's in the "what a winer" camp.  I don't dare tell him that part of the reason I like Ali so much is that he reminds my of hubby when we first met.

[TyroneTasty]

I have no idea the whining you people are referring to. I get the feeling this forum is full of sociopaths who have an incredibly hard time relating to and empathizing with any person, let alone a fictional character.

[Zemore]

TyroneTasty wrote...

I have no idea the whining you people are referring to. I get the feeling this forum is full of sociopaths who have an incredibly hard time relating to and empathizing with any person, let alone a fictional character.

he seems whiney at the start but Imo its understandble all his freinds just died all at once
and then his only companion is someone he met the day before a crazy witch living in a forrest and a dog that tries to bite him.
Considering that fact hes rather chipper for whats just went on.

[SusanStoHelit]

You see, I don't see his emotional outbursts as whining. I see them as an expression of genuine emotion, and very deep emotion at that.



My mother is a world-class, olympic champion whiner. But she whines over everything - over how her hair looks, over food when dining out, over the mess kids/grandkids make, over the appearance and demeanour and behaviour of various loved ones. She whines about each and every thing in her life or the life of those around her that is not EXACTLY the way she would prefer it to be. I could make this list of what she whines about into a damn book - but I won't. I love my mother, but she is a whiner.



Alistair expresses his feelings over the deaths of people he loved. And over choices the pc may make in the game which he finds ethically and philosophically and personally repulsive. That IS NOT whining.

[Zemore]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

You see, I don't see his emotional outbursts as whining. I see them as an expression of genuine emotion, and very deep emotion at that.

My mother is a world-class, olympic champion whiner. But she whines over everything - over how her hair looks, over food when dining out, over the mess kids/grandkids make, over the appearance and demeanour and behaviour of various loved ones. She whines about each and every thing in her life or the life of those around her that is not EXACTLY the way she would prefer it to be. I could make this list of what she whines about into a damn book - but I won't. I love my mother, but she is a whiner.

Alistair expresses his feelings over the deaths of people he loved. And over choices the pc may make in the game which he finds ethically and philosophically and personally repulsive. That IS NOT whining.

Your talking about Comic book nerds and RPG Freaks here its a strict policy of all men must be like Conan swinging swords and bedding women.
i love Al hes the kinda guy who id be freinds with IRL out of all DAs chars i am very like him perosnality wise looks wise yeah no =(

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

You see, I don't see his emotional outbursts as whining. I see them as an expression of genuine emotion, and very deep emotion at that.

My mother is a world-class, olympic champion whiner. But she whines over everything - over how her hair looks, over food when dining out, over the mess kids/grandkids make, over the appearance and demeanour and behaviour of various loved ones. She whines about each and every thing in her life or the life of those around her that is not EXACTLY the way she would prefer it to be. I could make this list of what she whines about into a damn book - but I won't. I love my mother, but she is a whiner.

Alistair expresses his feelings over the deaths of people he loved. And over choices the pc may make in the game which he finds ethically and philosophically and personally repulsive. That IS NOT whining.

Your mother and my husband should get together. My husband has reinvented the art of excessive whining over every little thing. What's worse, is he's a very big, loud man, so it's like having an ogre whining about everything in sight. Alistair has nothing on him, and if Alistair's "whining" becomes bothersome, you tell him to shut up, and he will.

My husband, it takes headphones and very loud music to block it out, and a sledge hammer to silence it. Even then, he's likely to continue on. I'm still looking for a mute button on ebay to have installed in him.

[Thiefy]

Two important things about Alistair:

1)He's hot

2)He's fun to be around



...and what most guys don't understand - number 1 can actually be effected by number 2! meaning the more a chick finds her enjoys herself in the company of a guy (i mean *really* enjoys herself and not just being polite), the more attractive he becomes, even if she isn't intially attracted to him or isn't "her type".

[FireDragon076]

Alistar is voiced by Steve Valentine who had the show Estate of Panic on SciFi channel (You can find his bio on imdb.com).  My wife recognized his voice within 5 minutes and describes it as "smooth" and would be quite content to listen to it throught a game.

Modifié par FireDragon076, 21 janvier 2010 - 02:45 .

[AnniLau]

FireDragon076 wrote...

Alistar is voiced by Steve Valentine who had the show Estate of Panic on SciFi channel

I always liked him as Nigel on Crossing Jordan.

[legbamel]

As did I. I knew the voice sounded familiar and when I finally figured out who it was it made so much sense. He's always had a hot voice. Now he's got a hot bod to go with it!

[OneShadyLady]

What a great topic! I admit he does seem to be a bit whiney, but it works perfectly in contrast with the strong, driven female character that I play. When more of his story comes out, it even makes his sarcasm and childish behavior more endearing. Kudos to the writers on the romance path dialogue. Oh and the fact that he is sensitive, has a VERY appealing voice and he can scale an ogre to stab him in the face makes him A-Okay in my book.



Now let's hope my husband never reads this post.

[AnniLau]

legbamel wrote...

 He's always had a hot voice. Now he's got a hot bod to go with it!

Aw, he's cute in RL, he's just not...standard hot.

[Purdicus]

It's the voice. Sheesh, I feel like a white lab rat pushing a lever to get my fix of his voice. I kiss him after every battle just to hear him say his piece. And he hesitates with that cute little smile right before the kiss. They did that just right.

[DariusKalera]

I found Alistair to be weak personality wise. If the PC were to die during the game I can not see him standing up and taking the leadership position of the group even though he would be one of the last two Grey Wardens in the country. Yes, he tries to lead during the Landsmeet, but he does it by throwing a temper tantrum. But I found this to be totally out of character for him from the way he acted up until that point.

[AnniLau]

He knows himself well enough to know he's not a leader...there's a kind of strength in that.

[Thiefy]

I think given time and a little self confidence, he can grow to be a good leader. While some people do have it naturally, leadership is a skill that can also be learned.



Alistair just doesn't believe in himself. If he had/has someone who can honestly support him and believe in him, I think he would be surprised at what he could even do.

[Purdicus]

He gives a great speech before the final battle

there are leaders who inspire others and leaders who just like to lead

that's why I didn't make anora queen on my first playthru

she wanted it too much

[SusanStoHelit]

Yes. Or if he was given no choice. I think if he was the last, he'd suck it up and go on - after emoting a bit of course. But that's fine, if he didn't mourn me I'd be pissed and come back to haunt him.

[Ginasue]

Think about what Alistair has had to deal with in his life. He's raised there in the castle for 10 years, and then sent to the Chantey. HIs life at the castle, wasn't a bed or roses either. At the Chantey, he's the outcast. Not really one of the Noble class nor of the lower ones. An outsider on both sides.

For those of you who havn't seen this, you might like to read it.

http://social.biowar...ex.php/Alistair

Kind of gives you a new look at him.

[Sylrien]

It's Alistair! Sweet *bleepity bleepers*, if you're going to rag on a character, at least be able to spell his name right.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Why do girls love Al?



Because he has a huuuuge....******. Massive! Makes your look like a speck in comparison. Heck, compared to him, any man might as well have a vagina!

[Daigowedd]

Because he's a plunderbunny.

[The Gay Warden]

British accents are sexy now?



I sure am glad I live in the UK.

[brownstudies]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

He can't fight worth S**T, out of every one of my char he has died the most . His crying is pathetic and for a man no less

Fighting and bottling emotions aren't really priorities that girls look for in a bloke.

MOTpoetryION wrote...
He straight up lies to your face about the arl not being his dad . then gives you a waa, people are mean to me 
when i tell them ,as a  weak excuse . A smart ass  that  wont give you a straight answer if his virginity depended on it .

I don't know what to tell you here. Everyone has secrets, and I wouldn't have expected him to tell my PC after barely knowing them for five seconds.
 

MOTpoetryION wrote...
He wants nothing to do with responsibilities what so ever .  

Not true - he cares about his responsibilities as a Grey Warden, and the King stuff really jeapordises that.

MOTpoetryION wrote...
i don't know  why you like this guy so much, now don't get mad at me I'm just asking OK .can you explain please?

Because he has enough flaws to make him believable. He's very human, and part of that is showing such a vulnerable (yes, i mean the "whining") side to himself. striding around yelling "ME BIG STRONG MAN" is a bit dull and very difficult to relate to. Hence why nobody likes Sten until after you've found his sword for him.