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[Thor Rand Al]

Chasseresse wrote...
It was sooo nice making a new character, rushing through the starter quests and once at Ostagar, practically knocking both Cailan and Duncan down in my rush to go give an exuberant HI to my favorite character.

Lmao you did that too... I do it everytime I start a new game n am playing female... Forget the beginning stuff just give me Al dang it... But what I find funny is once I've gotten him into being interested I leave him like that deliberately as long as I can leading him on...
I just wish there was a tad more dialogue options for example, when you tell him "Did anyone ever tell you your handsome, Alistair" n he makes his comment n then asks you "so is this your way of saying you think I'm handsome?" I always respond with my lips are sealed.  I love that n I wish there was more interplay like that lol

[Feraele]

Alistair is vulnerable,  a sweetheart.   He cares about things.   I don't know can't explain it better than that.

As for some responses about his whinyness that I have seen over the past months.    I say to the people that call him a whiner, and discard him as worthless ..due to that.

Put yourself in his shoes.....try imagining losing all your friends at once to terrible deaths.  Try being shunted around from place to place, and not having anyone that cared about you your whole life.    I think he did remarkably well considering what his fate has been.

Duncan was definitely a father figure, possibly even some hero worship there for Alistair.   That would be devastating to lose someone like that. 

  Morrigan twits him about being upset..just as we get to Lothering.   She has no clue what that feels like, has never lost a friend, because she's never had a friend.

I always tell her to leave him alone.   

[errant_knight]

Feraele wrote...

Alistair is vulnerable,  a sweetheart.   He cares about things.   I don't know can't explain it better than that.

As for some responses about his whinyness that I have seen over the past months.    I say to the people that call him a whiner, and discard him as worthless ..due to that.

Put yourself in his shoes.....try imagining losing all your friends at once to terrible deaths.  Try being shunted around from place to place, and not having anyone that cared about you your whole life.    I think he did remarkably well considering what his fate has been.

Duncan was definitely a father figure, possibly even some hero worship there for Alistair.   That would be devastating to lose someone like that. 

  Morrigan twits him about being upset..just as we get to Lothering.   She has no clue what that feels like, has never lost a friend, because she's never had a friend.

I always tell her to leave him alone.   

Heh, last time I asked her why she was such a b***h. That didn't go over too well, but I hate the way she picks and picks about it.

[Thor Rand Al]

Feraele wrote...

Alistair is vulnerable,  a sweetheart.   He cares about things.   I don't know can't explain it better than that.

As for some responses about his whinyness that I have seen over the past months.    I say to the people that call him a whiner, and discard him as worthless ..due to that.

Put yourself in his shoes.....try imagining losing all your friends at once to terrible deaths.  Try being shunted around from place to place, and not having anyone that cared about you your whole life.    I think he did remarkably well considering what his fate has been.

Duncan was definitely a father figure, possibly even some hero worship there for Alistair.   That would be devastating to lose someone like that. 

  Morrigan twits him about being upset..just as we get to Lothering.   She has no clue what that feels like, has never lost a friend, because she's never had a friend.

I always tell her to leave him alone.   

Ashamed to say this but I use to be 1 of those 1's that called Alistair a whinner lol... Now that I've played a female warden, there's a whole new side of Alistair that I never saw before n it's almost like you can't get enough...  And I sooo agree with you about putting yourself in his shoes, that whole paragraph there is totally true.




Edit: Morrigan is a b**ch.  I wish we had more options to call her that lmao

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 08 février 2010 - 07:11 .

[errant_knight]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Alistair is vulnerable,  a sweetheart.   He cares about things.   I don't know can't explain it better than that.

As for some responses about his whinyness that I have seen over the past months.    I say to the people that call him a whiner, and discard him as worthless ..due to that.

Put yourself in his shoes.....try imagining losing all your friends at once to terrible deaths.  Try being shunted around from place to place, and not having anyone that cared about you your whole life.    I think he did remarkably well considering what his fate has been.

Duncan was definitely a father figure, possibly even some hero worship there for Alistair.   That would be devastating to lose someone like that. 

  Morrigan twits him about being upset..just as we get to Lothering.   She has no clue what that feels like, has never lost a friend, because she's never had a friend.

I always tell her to leave him alone.   

Ashamed to say this but I use to be 1 of those 1's that called Alistair a whinner lol... Now that I've played a female warden, there's a whole new side of Alistair that I never saw before n it's almost like you can't get enough...  And I sooo agree with you about putting yourself in his shoes, that whole paragraph there is totally true.

Edit: Morrigan is a b**ch.  I wish we had more options to call her that lmao

Well, I don't generally do that, although I did it the once. As leader, I feel a certain obligation to make all in this disparate group as comfortable and happy working together as possible. For the good of the team, and all that. So, I don't insult Morrigan, or tell Zevran his notions about killing are pretty sick. I do tell leiliana that shoes are for keeping your feet warm, but she doen't seem to mind. I think she feels sorry for me.

Modifié par errant_knight, 08 février 2010 - 07:25 .

[MOTpoetryION]

woo hoo only twenty more posts to go

sigh I'm dreading this play threw where i try and be queen with, him

and for the record the things he went threw would of been a happy time in my life compared to the things i went through I would of loved to be in his shoes so that doesn't carry much weight, not with me at least

[nos_astra]

I don't know. Having no bond to some kind of family at all may cause as much damage as being in a dysfunctional family, I suppose. Put on top that religious indoctrination and the loss of the only kind of friends & family you have ever known and Alistair's issues make perfect sense to me.



Others in different situations - worse than feeling alone all your life, if you want - have other issues that are just not as obvious or more accepted.

[Raphael diSanto]

You know, you could just as well substitute Alistair's name with any other male figure name in the title.Some women like Alistair. Some don't. That's because some women like his personality type and some don't. This is a good thing, it means that no matter what personality type you have, there's probably going to be people out there who find that personality type attractive.

People have different preferences. Just because you can't see why Alistair is attractive to women doesn't mean every woman thinks the same way.

Just like some men like to romance Morrigan, because they're trying to "fix" her, trying to show her that love, companionship and compassion exist and others think she's a **** and not worth the effort. Some men think Leliana is high-maintenance and girly and ditzy and other men think she's sweet, sensitive and kind.

It's all a matter of preference.

edit: Oh, and for the record.. Alistair doesn't lie to you about his father. The exact words he uses when you ask him who his father is are: "I know who I was told my father was."

Modifié par Raphael diSanto, 08 février 2010 - 03:47 .

[spottyblanket]

Because he is self consious and has never been in a realtionship before. He is all shiny and new. He is also kind of silly and vunerable, and accessiable too.

[ejoslin]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

edit: Oh, and for the record.. Alistair doesn't lie to you about his father. The exact words he uses when you ask him who his father is are: "I know who I was told my father was."

He also says, "He died before my mother did."  Or something like that.  I tend to think it was a lie of omission, though; it was important information, which Alistair acknowledges -- he agrees that he should have told the Warden immediately after the battle.

However, it's understandable.  It is one thing I don't hold against Alistair at all -- even though he should have told the warden, and he does when he has to, it's very human of him not to say anything until he has to.

[errant_knight]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

You know, you could just as well substitute Alistair's name with any other male figure name in the title.Some women like Alistair. Some don't. That's because some women like his personality type and some don't. This is a good thing, it means that no matter what personality type you have, there's probably going to be people out there who find that personality type attractive.

People have different preferences. Just because you can't see why Alistair is attractive to women doesn't mean every woman thinks the same way.

Just like some men like to romance Morrigan, because they're trying to "fix" her, trying to show her that love, companionship and compassion exist and others think she's a **** and not worth the effort. Some men think Leliana is high-maintenance and girly and ditzy and other men think she's sweet, sensitive and kind.

It's all a matter of preference.

edit: Oh, and for the record.. Alistair doesn't lie to you about his father. The exact words he uses when you ask him who his father is are: "I know who I was told my father was."

What a lovely thought! I like that.

ejoslin wrote...

it was important information, which Alistair acknowledges -- he agrees that he should have told the Warden immediately after the battle.

However, it's understandable.  It is one thing I don't hold against Alistair at all -- even though he should have told the warden, and he does when he has to, it's very human of him not to say anything until he has to.

I don't really see this as so. Alistair believes that he is completely outside the line of succession. He doesn't think he has any involvement in who will be the next king and his focus is entirely on defeating the blight and avenging the deaths of the wardens an Cailan. At the time, he probably didn't see it as all that relevant, although he admits it may be when called on it. That doesn't mean that it seemed so to him.

Modifié par errant_knight, 08 février 2010 - 05:26 .

[ejoslin]

errant_knight wrote...

I don't really see this as so. Alistair believes that he is completely outside the line of succession. He doesn't think he has any involvement in who will be the next king and his focus is entirely on defeating the blight and avenging the deaths of the wardens an Cailan. At the time, he probably didn't see it as all that relevant, although he admits it may be when called on it. That doesn't mean that it seemed so to him.

No, he says his reason was he liked the Warden not knowing.  He says he should have told the warden.  He's not that stupid.  He is hoping that Eamon is next in line for the throne, but he knows that he is as well.  It's why it's a secret.  Again, I don't hold it against him that he didn't tell the warden -- it's completely understandable.  But the guy is NOT dumb (despite what Morrigan says), he knows the implications of being the last of the Theirin bloodline.

Sure, he was hoping it would go away.  Bad plan.  But I can't blame him for that.

[Sandtigress]

I don't blame him at all for it either, especially if he's romancing the PC. Here's his first chance (ever, he's only been free for six months and that time was spent among the male-only Wardens) at a little bit of romance, and he knows how people usually react when they know who he is. They either hold it against him or they coddle him for it. He doesn't want this chance to slip away and he is afraid that the PC will either decide she can't care for him because he's the bastard prince, or will only care about him because he is.



Not only does he know that Eamon isn't likely to be the next king, though he hopes it, I think he KNOWS that he should be the next king, and being poor insecure Alistair is terrified of it. He makes several comments on not wanting to be in charge of peoples' lives and such, out of a fear of failing everyone.

[Demx]

It's the Cinderella complex that why.

I kid, I kid, me and Alistair are GWBFF.

Modifié par Siradix, 08 février 2010 - 05:39 .

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

I don't blame him at all for it either, especially if he's romancing the PC. Here's his first chance (ever, he's only been free for six months and that time was spent among the male-only Wardens) at a little bit of romance, and he knows how people usually react when they know who he is. They either hold it against him or they coddle him for it. He doesn't want this chance to slip away and he is afraid that the PC will either decide she can't care for him because he's the bastard prince, or will only care about him because he is.

Not only does he know that Eamon isn't likely to be the next king, though he hopes it, I think he KNOWS that he should be the next king, and being poor insecure Alistair is terrified of it. He makes several comments on not wanting to be in charge of peoples' lives and such, out of a fear of failing everyone.

Agreed, he would not be so frightened of it if he truly thought it unlikely to happen.  On the contrary, he knows it's a good possibility and it IS on his mind.  There is one Landsmeet scenario when Eamon says "so it is decided, Alistair will take up his father's throne" where Alistair responds "I have nightmares that begin just this way."  I think he's speaking literally.  I also believe it is one reason for his hesitancy with starting a romance with his fellow Warden.  Not just innate shyness, but a fear of what it means, until he finally can't resist (because the PC just has that effect, natch!).

Overall his blood is a sensitive subject with the PC and remains so.  He will give an approval drop if you tell him "I like you and not only for your blood," which is basically telling him that it's unimportant.  It isn't, as hardened Alistair shows.  OTOH, if a noble female declares herself queen and later tells him she did it because she wants to be queen, you also get an approval drop- she's basically told him that she used him.  He wants to be liked for who he is, which is why he says he's relieved once the warden finally does know and accepts it.

Modifié par Addai67, 08 février 2010 - 05:51 .

[ejoslin]

Hmmmm, since Alistair will marry a HNF at 0 neutral (sorry ladies), you have to wonder how the HNF announcing she's taking the throne as well makes Alistair feel, even at 100 love. He always sounds the same when first questioning about the engagement (exact same dialog), so he's obviously seeing it as political no matter what. Maybe, with an in-love Alistair, you're able to convince him that it is a love match, but that is not his first initial thought.



Poor Alistair

[Whitering]

If Alistair dies a lot, you suck at the game. He is the sturdiest tank besides, maybe, Shale. As to why to like him, he is the only one in the game, besides a drunken dwarf, with a sense of humour.

[Sandtigress]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmmm, since Alistair will marry a HNF at 0 neutral (sorry ladies), you have to wonder how the HNF announcing she's taking the throne as well makes Alistair feel, even at 100 love. He always sounds the same when first questioning about the engagement (exact same dialog), so he's obviously seeing it as political no matter what. Maybe, with an in-love Alistair, you're able to convince him that it is a love match, but that is not his first initial thought.

Poor Alistair

I would agree with this.  Its another decision taken from him, even if it is one he would make for himself.  I just figure my Amelia will apologize to him profusely, tell him it was a last minute decision and that she had been thinking about what she had learned of Anora (hence why I'm stalling until RtO comes out on PS3), and that she just kind of blurted it out.  If Ferelden wouldn't get an heir from Anora anyways, then why not marry for love as well as politics, right?  I'm not turning the romance on full-steam until just before Landsmeet anyways, and their first night together will be when they're betrothed, so hopefully that appeases him a little.  

[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmmm, since Alistair will marry a HNF at 0 neutral (sorry ladies), you have to wonder how the HNF announcing she's taking the throne as well makes Alistair feel, even at 100 love. He always sounds the same when first questioning about the engagement (exact same dialog), so he's obviously seeing it as political no matter what. Maybe, with an in-love Alistair, you're able to convince him that it is a love match, but that is not his first initial thought.

Poor Alistair

I don't know what Alistair's thinking because he's a videogame character, but I'm thinking "game mechanics." The HNF is the only origin that can marry Alistair. If it's 0 neutral then it's political, if it's 100 love then it's love. But the idea of Alistair suddenly getting Machiavellian at the Landsmeet is more than a little OOC.

[MythicWhiteWolf]

I like Alistair alot! The funny I have chosen him as my romance option my last 2 playthroughs. The funny thing is, in real life...im not into guys. He is cute, and sweet and I LOVE his accent.



He is devoted 100%. Unless you do something to really ****** him off, he is like this love sick little puppy dog. Its so cute.



As for me, he kicks a** in battle. I always have him in my party. Give him the right weapons, upgrades and armor and he's one of the best in the party. Under that sarcastic exterior is a very sweet, sensitive interior. All around he is just a good guy. Funny, yet serious when he needs to be. Especially if you choose to "harden" his character after you and he meet his sister.



I dunno. I just like him.

[Sandtigress]

On that note, I think Alistair is rather predisposed to thinking that no one really cares about him. HNF announcing that they're going to get married probably made him think that she only romanced him to use him to get to the throne. The only difference is (RP-wise) that HNF in love can convince him that she really does love him post-Landsmeet.

[Demx]

Monica21 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmmm, since Alistair will marry a HNF at 0 neutral (sorry ladies), you have to wonder how the HNF announcing she's taking the throne as well makes Alistair feel, even at 100 love. He always sounds the same when first questioning about the engagement (exact same dialog), so he's obviously seeing it as political no matter what. Maybe, with an in-love Alistair, you're able to convince him that it is a love match, but that is not his first initial thought.

Poor Alistair

I don't know what Alistair's thinking because he's a videogame character, but I'm thinking "game mechanics." The HNF is the only origin that can marry Alistair. If it's 0 neutral then it's political, if it's 100 love then it's love. But the idea of Alistair suddenly getting Machiavellian at the Landsmeet is more than a little OOC.

I thought the Landsmeet was suppose to be the climax for Alistair's character development. In any case, he does get pissy after the voting for me no matter what I do.

Modifié par Siradix, 08 février 2010 - 06:20 .

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmmm, since Alistair will marry a HNF at 0 neutral (sorry ladies), you have to wonder how the HNF announcing she's taking the throne as well makes Alistair feel, even at 100 love. He always sounds the same when first questioning about the engagement (exact same dialog), so he's obviously seeing it as political no matter what. Maybe, with an in-love Alistair, you're able to convince him that it is a love match, but that is not his first initial thought.

Poor Alistair

I don't know what Alistair's thinking because he's a videogame character, but I'm thinking "game mechanics." The HNF is the only origin that can marry Alistair. If it's 0 neutral then it's political, if it's 100 love then it's love. But the idea of Alistair suddenly getting Machiavellian at the Landsmeet is more than a little OOC.

*sigh* You missed my point entirely  Obviously he's pixels and has no actual thoughts.  It was more, and I will be FAR more careful in this wording, that his reaction to the engagement is exactly the same whether at 0 neutral or 100 love, therefore it seems that it is viewed as a political match no matter what.  In the following dialogs, you can indicate to the character that it is a love match, and his responses are happier, but the conversation also ends on the same note, whether at 100 love or 0 neutral.

*grin* I hope that was more clear!

[SurelyForth]

My last HN, despite her potential for being an awesome queen, is his mistress and chancellor. There are several reasons why this route was taken, but one of the main ones is that she never wants him to doubt her intentions towards him. Since she couldn't talk to him about it beforehand, she wasn't about to walk into the Landsmeet to declare herself queen and risk planting that seed of doubt.

Edit: His immediate reaction is different though, isn't it?  He won't say he likes the idea if he's not in love.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 08 février 2010 - 06:31 .

[Monica21]

Siradix wrote...
I thought the Landsmeet was suppose to be the climax for Alistair's character development. In any case, he does get pissy after the voting for me no matter what I do.

There's a difference between character development and approaching marriage as purely political whether he loves the PC or not. I'm just not buying it. And if there's no change in dialogue, I still go with "game mechanics." His dialogue tree is already complicated enough around the Landsmeet events anyway, that adding a new tree for "in love" or just "meh" would likely be more trouble than it's worth. If I were a writer, the thing I'd try to do in a game with this much voice acting is make a response suitable for as many situations as possible. While the "in love" response isn't the most romantic there is, it fits multiple situations.

Modifié par Monica21, 08 février 2010 - 06:30 .