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[eschilde]

42 str (to wear armor) + dump all the rest of your points in dex seems to work well for making him an effective tank. More on that in the gameplay forums.

[Ubasti]

Sten dies much more often when I use him, so I always end up using Alistair instead. And I also like his jokes and him being emotional. I like men being emotional, and showing when they are sad, and crying, it also makes him feel like a real person.

Modifié par Ubasti, 29 décembre 2009 - 09:38 .

[Gold Dragon]

Hmmm... I had some problems with Alistair falling in battle, even with Shield Wall, etc... (I typically give him mastery in Sword & Shield), but this run-thru, I stuck him in the DLC Warden Armor, and he even managed to outlast my PC archer/rogue...

[tallon1982]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

1) "So your only friends in life and the man you look up to were killed? Well suck it up princess, we got a war on!" Honestly I don't get the cultural disdain for male emotion. Alistair never even cries in front of the PC, he just trails off in conversation sometimes and makes a sad face. What, every dude has to be stoic when life kicks them in the balls?

2) This sentence doesn't make sense, I assume you mean he lies about the king being his father? Well, I don't like being known among my family's social circles as X's daughter or Y's sister, which is why I have my own friends, and there's not even any title or political import to these relationships. I just like being known for myself, not for my family members. Yeah, it was dumb to hide his parentage given that as far as either of you know it's entirely possible that Loghain might want to eliminate Maric's other son, but Alistair is not exactly world-wise or politically savvy.

3. Sexuality varies by individual. Surprise! A guy doesn't have to try to score with anything that will consent in order to be "a real man." Alistair is a dorky romantic, coupled with the fact that he spent his teen years preparing to join a monastic order, I could see him being shy about sex. Think about what most boys do in their late teens (if they're lucky): kissing and having awkward sex with girls their own age. Alistair never went through that experimental stage, he has no clue what he's doing in that arena, and is probably terrified of being inadequate. A lot of guys have performance anxiety and Alistair is already insecure.

4) He doesn't shirk his responsibilities, though? He's perfectly happy leading the warden recruits around the swamps, and he won't let you quit if you start sounding defeated after Ostagar. It's been said of him elsewhere, and I agree, that he's more suited to be a sergeant than a general. That's okay, honestly, not everyone is cut out to be a leader and I don't consider that a character flaw.

Really, it's a subjective perception of a character. I'm not sure how you think anyone's going to convince you that Alistair is an okay guy. Sometimes you don't like a person and you can either get worked up over how much you hate him or you can just walk away and save yourself the aggravation.

I agree with a lot said here. I think his shirking of responsibilities stems from his feeling like he failed Duncan. He feels guilt and perhaps fears that he'll fail the group if he leads?

[Lisa]

Some things we can't explain. Some women just like certain men, and for many of us, Alistair is a NPC we enjoy. His accent, his looks, his fighting syle. Alistair is usually always in my fighting party, hence he fights much better than the others because I have invested into his skills that better my unit.

I love his dialogues between Shale and Wynne, he makes me laugh. He is the perfect NPC love interest, until the Landsmeet, in my opinion.

[bobsmyuncle]

Herr Uhl wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...
Again with the beard.  I think we ladies should start a thread called "Why do men love Duncan's beard so much?

Beard envy, perhaps

Yes, I cannot grow a decent beard. Damn my genes.

And nothing says father figure as much as a full beard.

A full beard is awe inspiring but I wouldn't want to kiss one. It's like rubbing a brillo pad on your face. Maybe guys should think twice before growing those things.
Duncan, forgive me, for I have blasphemed the Beard

[tallon1982]

Beard on Duncan = Chuck Norris envy

[Herr Uhl]

bobsmyuncle wrote...
A full beard is awe inspiring but I wouldn't want to kiss one. It's like rubbing a brillo pad on your face. Maybe guys should think twice before growing those things.

Well, people thought that my brother, 2 years older than moi, was my dad when I was 16-19 (he started shaving ) due to a full beard.

And nobody should want to kiss their dad, at least after adolescence.

[Vergil_dgk]

There's this misconception among some guys that unless you are king of the king of the king of the world, then you just plain suck. I think Alistair's weak points makes him believable and I would imagine that was part of why some girls find him attractive - he's got a lot going for him (looks, the 'voice' apparently, sense of humour... I'll stop before I sound gay) but he's also got one or two flaws that makes him seem vulnerable and real. -That's part of any great character, really. I only wish us guys had a romance option as good. Leliana is a bit, well, boring and Morrigan just too harsh *sigh*

[Kohaku]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...
Again with the beard.  I think we ladies should start a thread called "Why do men love Duncan's beard so much?

Beard envy, perhaps

Yes, I cannot grow a decent beard. Damn my genes.

And nothing says father figure as much as a full beard.

A full beard is awe inspiring but I wouldn't want to kiss one. It's like rubbing a brillo pad on your face. Maybe guys should think twice before growing those things.
Duncan, forgive me, for I have blasphemed the Beard

The beard is its own person damn it!

[Vergil_dgk]

There's this misconception among some guys that unless you are king of the king of the king of the world, then you just plain suck. I think Alistair's weak points makes him believable and I would imagine that was part of why some girls find him attractive - he's got a lot going for him (looks, the 'voice' apparently, sense of humour... I'll stop before I sound gay) but he's also got one or two flaws that makes him seem vulnerable and real. -That's part of any great character, really. I only wish us guys had a romance option as good. Leliana is a bit, well, boring and Morrigan just too harsh *sigh*

[amethyst_rose2009]

Herr Uhl wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...
Again with the beard.  I think we ladies should start a thread called "Why do men love Duncan's beard so much?

Beard envy, perhaps

Yes, I cannot grow a decent beard. Damn my genes.

And nothing says father figure as much as a full beard.

 
Duncan does make a really awesome father figure (way better than Eamon).

Hmmm, maybe Alistair has beard envy too.  He and Cailan seemed to both suffer from beard-deficient genes as well.   But then again, I lilke Ali better that way.

Modifié par amethyst_rose2009, 29 décembre 2009 - 08:50 .

[Kohaku]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Duncan does make a really awesome father figure (way better than Eaman).

Hmmm, maybe Alistair has beard envy too.  He and Cailan seemed to both suffer from beard-deficient genes as well.   But then again, I lilke Ali better that way.

They grow some mad stubble girl.

[Eruanna Guerrein]

VioletCoast wrote...

Some things we can't explain. Some women just like certain men, and for many of us, Alistair is a NPC we enjoy. His accent, his looks, his fighting syle. Alistair is usually always in my fighting party, hence he fights much better than the others because I have invested into his skills that better my unit.
I love his dialogues between Shale and Wynne, he makes me laugh. He is the perfect NPC love interest, until the Landsmeet, in my opinion.

Agreed... and with all of the other reasons listed also. In my parties, Alistair always kicks arse. He's sensitive, a good guy, a lot of fun, sexy with a sexy accent, sweetly romantic, and tough - despite his despair he still gets out there and does what has to be done.

I think it's funny when he tries to act all childish with Wynne to get her to darn his shirt or whatever. It totally fits his sense of humor and it's obvious she sees it the same way or she wouldn't let him get away with it. I think it's awesome that he's not so macho that he's afraid to show his emotions and it's entirely understandable that he would be devasted over the loss of yet another person he loves, one who likely wasn't going to willingly abandon him. And given that he's someone who likes to please people, it's understandable that he'd have a fear of leadership after being told his whole life that he was nobody and not to get any ideas otherwise. Even when Eamon first suggests him as king, Teagan asks if he is sure and Eamon responds that it's a sad day when it's come down to this but here it is, even with Alistair standing right there. Talk about a kick in the balls!

[amethyst_rose2009]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Duncan does make a really awesome father figure (way better than Eaman).

Hmmm, maybe Alistair has beard envy too.  He and Cailan seemed to both suffer from beard-deficient genes as well.   But then again, I lilke Ali better that way.

They grow some mad stubble girl.

Yeah, stubble is good.  Beard not so much.

[mopotter]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Strange that you find him the weakest fighter of your group.  In my group he's kick-a**.  Sten is the one who I have to watch about falling in battle.  Maybe it is the way you've leveled him up or something.  Once you give him assault, shield wall, and some decent armor, he can usually carry a battle single-handed in my group (and has sometimes - one hit and my mage is dead).

Plus as stated above, his voice makes us girls swoon.  Especially those of us on this side of the pond.

And he's not whiney.  He's.........sensitive (that's what I keep telling my husband anyway when he laughs at me for liking Alistair).

I agree.  He's about the only one who doesn't pass out on me in a fight.  He's ended up finishing the battles more than once.  And yes, his voice is great, that and his attempt at humor.  I don't see him as whiny either, just sad and a bit depressed about Duncan.  My husband laughs at me also. 

[Eruanna Guerrein]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Duncan does make a really awesome father figure (way better than Eaman).

Hmmm, maybe Alistair has beard envy too.  He and Cailan seemed to both suffer from beard-deficient genes as well.   But then again, I lilke Ali better that way.

They grow some mad stubble girl.

Yeah, stubble is good.  Beard not so much.

The stubble is oh so sexy!

Add me to the list of wives getting laughed at by hubbies. My husband likes Alistair too though so it's all good.

[Mahumia]

Alistair gives indeed a 'real' feeling. And he's the most accessable (sp?) when it comes to his emotions. I'm seriously not into macho types. I don't think he's that whiny at all: he has just lost his 'family' (take a look at his nightmare), or at least those who cared about him and he's insecure. And he's got a lovely sense of humor. And well... the accent is totally hawt too (yeah I know, also the wrong side of the pond here XD)

[MorningBird]

... Because he's awesome?

Personally, I've never romanced Alistair before (I see him strictly as the 'buddy' character to my hero) but I still like him.  He's got god dialog with both my PC and the other party members, his choices coincide nicely with ones I would realistically make, and I've built him to be a good tank.

So really, I've got no reason to dislike the guy.

As for his 'whining'... Alistair lost everything he had in one night.  In a bloody battle where everyone he knew had been slaughtered.  He didn't just lose just one or two friends.  The order of Grey Warden's in Ferelden--aside from the PC and Alistair--were completely wiped out because of one man's betrayal.

Most war veterans don't recover from a loss like Ostagar for years--if at all.  I imagine the plot of Dragon age spans somewhere between half a year and a year.  Cut the man some slack.

There's a reason why your PC is the hero and not Alistair.  The only man in camp who died--who you knew--was Duncan, and even then, you scarcely knew him.  In all of the origin stories, the PC has never had every friend and comrad they've ever known killed--there's always been someone left standing.

For this reason, after Ostagar you're a stronger person then Alistair.  That's why you lead, and he follows.

As for his outburst at the Landsmeet--I wouldn't be able to fight alongside Loghain either, in his shoes.

[amethyst_rose2009]

Mahumia wrote...

Alistair gives indeed a 'real' feeling. And he's the most accessable (sp?) when it comes to his emotions. I'm seriously not into macho types. I don't think he's that whiny at all: he has just lost his 'family' (take a look at his nightmare), or at least those who cared about him and he's insecure. And he's got a lovely sense of humor. And well... the accent is totally hawt too (yeah I know, also the wrong side of the pond here XD)

Yeah, I'm really curious if English ladies like Alistair's voice as much as we do.  When guys talk here, it's like yeah whatever, I hear that accent all the time.  But when a Brit says something, no matter how silly or trivial it is, I'm like drooling all over and swooning.   It's so embarassing.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Because he is handsome, funny, and a great character.



Seriously, if you consider him ''the weakest'' because he ''dies all the time''... do you even have a healer? Do you use pots? Do you have a shield equipped on him? It just boggles the mind.

[Wrathra]

Alistair is by far the best tank when he's specc'd right, alot of time the only one left standing. Sten/Oghren always go down first. He can take a serious beating, which is what he's supposed to do.



He's funny, has a well written, realistic personality, has a great voice, is good looking, has realistic flaws, isn't afraid to show vulnerability or weakness, and isn't an annoying macho d*****bag who has to prove his is bigger, so yeah, I love Alistair.

[Kenshen]

I find Shale to be a better tank. That is if I am not playing that class.

[Laura Jean]

I agree with the other ladies, Alistair is a great guy. But I wonder if part of the reason he is so emotional about Duncan, is not just because he died. After all Duncan was having nightmare agian and was planning to go to Orizzamar (sp). But because Duncan was betrayed, by Loghain (sp) which lead to his death, making Duncan's death even more tragic. So it make perfect sense that he would have a fit at the Landsmeet if you allowed Loghain(sp) to becaome a warden.



sorry for the misspelling, my spelling sucks.

[Cybercat999]

I find funny people arguing about how good tank/character Alistair is. I mean, it solely depends on how you set him up, he is just an AI that only works as long as you program it to work with equipment&stuff. So how good Alistair is in your game depends exclusively on how good player you are. Not like he is going to do something on his own, unless he bugs out ofc



That said, I am a "lady" and I do not like that character. One gets used to voice very fast and I am not even English or American, for me *any* kind of accent is exotic. But overall Alistair is repulsive to me, actually reminds me of my Mother in her worst mood when she starts nagging about wrong things at a wrong time and then when she doesnt get her way goes sulky and whiny. Yikes.