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[thelebk]

I am having a great deal of difficulty maintaining positive approval with Sten without alienating the rest of my party.  So far my path has been:

Harrowing (Mage background) --> Lothering --> Warden's Keep --> Camp --> Start Redcliffe Village

Sten is the only NPC I have with no dialog options whatsoever to raise his approval.  Also, absolutely none of the gifts I have acquired in game so far have any substantial effect on him.  He is my only decent tank, so it would be a big blow to lose him.  While Lelianne and Alister are gaining minor faction increases in Redcliffe, Sten's approval is dropping like a rock vastly out of proportion to the minor gains being acquired by the other characters.  I guess if this was not my first run through the game I could exploit the system by leaving him out of the party through the dialoge portions, and then swapping him in right before a big fight, but I feel like this is cheating.

Any suggestions?  Thanks.

[Kepha]

You can persuade him in Redcliffe when he first complains about helping them to avoid the approval hit.

He likes it when you force people to join in the defense, Lloyd, Dwyn, and the elf in the bar.

Once dialog starts opening up (warm approval, just taking him places, and party banter all open up options) there are chances for large approval gains.

Modifié par Kepha, 29 décembre 2009 - 08:45 .

[enhaR907]

Get his sword early lol. Going to haven with sten should open more conversation.

[Atranes]

He likes paintings - give him some (you can get two early in Redcliffe Castle or Circle of Magi) until his approval is high enough you can ask him about why he was in the cage. that opens the quest to recover his sword. once you're on the sword recovery request, the approval will role in.

[KilrB]

You need to trigger much of his dialogue by getting him to talk to other party members first.

Find a place that triggers these inter-party conversations and abuse the hell out of it.

Then engage him in conversation and use the "I'd like to discuss something you mentioned" option.

Works like a charm ...

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Sten

Modifié par KilrB, 29 décembre 2009 - 09:18 .

[tetracycloide]

KilrB wrote...

Find a place that triggers these conversations and abuse the hell out of it.

The bridge outside the blacksmith's shop in redcliffe would be a particularly pertinent example in this case.

[Britanus]

This surprised me yesterday, but if you take him to Haven and fail the intimidation attempt, he attacks you and you get a -3. When you beat him and tell him to get back in line, you get a +7.

[thelebk]

1) Tried to persuade him at beginning of quest with level 1 coercion. Failed, still took -10 hit.

2) Tried to intimiddate Loyd with no intimidation, failed no approval with Sten

3) Forced elf spy to defend town, only got +2 faction with Sten no where near the -18 I have lost in 5 minutes of gameplay

4) No diologue options with him whatsoever. I am so far from Warm status I doubt they will ever open.

5) I try to talk to Sten about things he mentions all the time, but he never has anything to say. The game would be stupid in the extreme if the dialog vanishes as soon as you leave the area. The inter-party banter that happens at the bridges just seemed to be filler to me. Is it the *talk to him immediately or lose the opportunity forever* syndrome?

6) I have no paintings, and who would guess that a guy who lives in a hovel secretely covets Rembrants.. Give me a break!

[Atranes]

It may be metagaming, but there's nothing to prevent you from saving before you talk to Sten and then reloading if you lose too much approval. For more gift info, check out the wiki: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Gifts

Modifié par Atranes, 29 décembre 2009 - 10:05 .

[SusanStoHelit]

As others have said, Sten likes paintings. As you explore, use whatever key you have bound to show selectable objects and pick up every single 'gift' item there is. Some gifts are particular to one companion (that is, one companion particularly likes them) while others are general. There is also a totem for Sten, but you won't have come across that yet.



Sten is only interested in defeating the darkspawn and stopping the blight (like Morrigan) and anything that is not directly related to that will cause a loss of approval (except, of course, for their personal quests).



Keep all interactions with Sten brief, he prefers more frequent brief conversations and 'let's get on with it' to long heart to hearts. He doesn't want to be your 'pal', if he says 'I'm not impressed' (with you) the 'correct' response is 'I'm not here to impress you'. Be brusque, short, to the point. Give him orders - he likes it!



If you want to include him in your party at Redcliffe (although Alistair is a better tank if you build him right), try to get the sword while you're there. When you talk to him ask him why he was in the cage. I can't remember the exact responses, so do a quick save and try a conversation and reload if it doesn't lead in the right direction. You want the one that asks why he came to Ferelden - because the arishok asked a question - why hasn't he returned - he can't - because he lost his sword and they'll kill him if he returns. Then ask why he doesn't look for it - where was the battle - Lake Calenhad - promise to look for the sword. Go to the Lake Calenhad docks, talk to the scavenger, he will send you on to Faryn outside Orzammar, who will tell you he sold the sword to someone in - Redcliffe. Get the sword and give it to him.

[KilrB]

thelebk wrote...

1) Tried to persuade him at beginning of quest with level 1 coercion. Failed, still took -10 hit.
2) Tried to intimiddate Loyd with no intimidation, failed no approval with Sten
3) Forced elf spy to defend town, only got +2 faction with Sten no where near the -18 I have lost in 5 minutes of gameplay
4) No diologue options with him whatsoever. I am so far from Warm status I doubt they will ever open.
5) I try to talk to Sten about things he mentions all the time, but he never has anything to say. The game would be stupid in the extreme if the dialog vanishes as soon as you leave the area. The inter-party banter that happens at the bridges just seemed to be filler to me. Is it the *talk to him immediately or lose the opportunity forever* syndrome?
6) I have no paintings, and who would guess that a guy who lives in a hovel secretely covets Rembrants.. Give me a break!

No, you do not have to talk to him immediately.

I have spent hours on that bridge in Redcliffe and the one to the Proving Grounds in Orzammar running various combinations of party members through their conversations. Both to unlock Sten's dialogue and purely for my own entertainment ...

When you're done, or you just get tired of it, save and start a conversation with him.

If you don't like the results, reload and try another direction.

Whatever you do don't use the "I have a(nother) question" option when Sten wants to stop talking, just end that conversation and start another.

Sten has little patience for nosy PCs.

[thelebk]

Hmmm... Good stuff will give it a go. Unfortunately on teh why he came to feraldren question he only says he has to report back but cannot. Nothing further no sword etc.

[sinosleep]

Getting approval from Sten is ludicrously easy once you know what track to take. When I get home I can do step by step instructions on what to say to him but trust me, you don't need to stop every conversation you have with him and start another one when you want to change tracks. There is no inherent disaproval in asking another question if the question is there to be asked. I have brought Sten along on practically every playthrough and usually have him at near 100 approval before lvl 10.

[SusanStoHelit]

thelebk wrote...

Hmmm... Good stuff will give it a go. Unfortunately on teh why he came to feraldren question he only says he has to report back but cannot. Nothing further no sword etc.

That's the right track. Ask why he can't report back. He'll say he lost his sword ....

[Eshme]

Cant you just give him all the gifts you find? It seems a bit silly giving someone gifts constantly, if it was them who looted it lol. But it doesnt work? Well Zevran was really happy bout my gifts, i didnt talk much ,actually he prefers to hate me when i make kinky jokes and he seems amused. But at the end it said that i was most friend with him, wasnt really true thou, so it must be the gifts.



Dont know bout Sten, i havent had him the first time around. But i just gave him a picture of a king i found in the Mage Tower, and he liked it.

Oh and he was confused, that i look like a woman. I told him ,it makes no sense, and he was happy i agreed with him lol

[SusanStoHelit]

Eshme wrote...

Cant you just give him all the gifts you find? It seems a bit silly giving someone gifts constantly, if it was them who looted it lol. But it doesnt work?

No, because some particular gifts are meant for a particular companion. If you give a painting to Alistair, he'll say something like 'Oh, how nice' and your relationship will go up by about 1, give it to Sten and he'll be impressed and your relationship will improve by about 10. Some gifts are 'worth' more than 10, others less.

The 'general' gifts I mentioned give a small boost to anyone you give them to, but the 'special' ones should only be given to the correct character. For example: Zevran likes gold and silver ingots, and leather goods. Sten likes all the paintings and the totem I mentioned. Leliana likes religious symbols, especially of Andraste. Alistair likes stone statuettes. Wynne likes scholarly items like books and scrolls (and wine). And so on.

And most (not all) characters have one or two really special gifts: Sten - the sword; Alistair - his mother's amulet and Duncan's shield; Leliana - Andraste's Grace; Morrigan - her mother's grimoire and the mirror. These may be found, or may be connected to a special quest. Check out a guide or the wiki for full details.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 30 décembre 2009 - 03:13 .

[thelebk]

There is no option to ask why Sten can't report back. He never mentions the sword, and I have no dialog options at all with him. I am going to guess that the option is based on current approval rating which is low for me. Secondly every time you give a character a gift the value of the every game in the game there after drops by a cumulative -1. So with the average gift granting +5 approval, the next is 4, then 3, then 2, then only 1, then nothing whatsoever unless it is a coveted item and then it will be -5.

[kasanza]

thelebk wrote...

 He is my only decent tank, so it would be a big blow to lose him. 

Alistair is the best tank as far as NPC's go. Max out his 2 bottom rows of shield lines and get taunt and you're good to go. Take Berserk and he does decent DPS without wasting stamina. Champion is decent if your group's CC is questionable. So you could lose Sten and be just fine.

Anyway, Sten is one the easiest characters to raise approval. Just save before dialogue to get +15 to +26 approval in camp by one line of simple conversation. Talk a little more and you can get more bonuses. Paintings are somewhat easy to find as well. The random encounter with the Dwarf Merchant while traveling yields a painting.

[Hyper Cutter]

Talk to Sten about cookies when you get the chance. It's a hilariously massive +approval...

[thelebk]

I am not sure what dwarf merchant you mean, the one that sits in camp? He has no paintings, and there were none when I "saved" him in Lothering. More importantly however, I decided to actually talk to Sten the next time he commented to another PC by a bridge. A simple quip-- the kind of things in every other RP game I have ever played are just meaningless chatter to make the characters have the illusion of a personality. Low and behold the option to talk to Sten about something he said recently actually worked. He then made some flippant comment about Wisdom and I had +11 approval! This is ridiculous! First of all, major accomplishments in the game and preferred gifts give *less* approval than that. Secondly if you do not talk to them IMMEDIATELY when they babble, you lose the chance to get this increase FOREVER! This has some very unfortunate consequences for the game. If you want to get your teamates approval up do not bother to free an entire city and save half the planet, and don't waste time running all over the place finding the things they covet the most, Just hang out about the bridge and wait for them to talk about flies on the wall (Then STOP EVERYTHING EVEN IF IN COMBAT) to talk to them and Blamo! Faction far better and faster than anythign else in the game! LOL HOW STUPID!

[sinosleep]

You don't lose the opportunity forever. And most of the dialogue is available rather early. Like I said, I usually have Sten at near 100% approval not to long after lvl 10. And that's without even being aware of the fact that party banter was the reason for the "something you mentioned earlier" line of questioning.

Stuffy38 said......

You know how almost all of the companions have a personal quest? Sten's quest will reveal the circumstances around the killing of the people in Lothering. You just have to talk to him to get him to open up a bit. The key with him is keep the conversations pretty short.

Back in camp, ask him if he is alright "...you were in that cage for a while." and he will give you +2 approval.
The second conversation that you can initiate with him which will net you +12 approval:

* Ask why he came to Ferelden

* Ask what was the question

* Ask what is an arishok

* Ask did you find an answer

* Ask don't you have to report back

* Ask why not

* Say you can stay with us then

After that you ought to be able to find out why he was in the cage, and he will tell you that he fell near lake Calenhad and you can begin his personal quest.
When you speak to Faryn in part 2 of his personal quest, don't forget to buy the painting gift he has (he's a merchant), that will net you another 10 or so approval points for Sten.

Modifié par sinosleep, 30 décembre 2009 - 11:25 .

[thelebk]

If you do not talk to them immediately you lose it. Go to your camp and ask to speak about something he said recently. Zero Options. Go back to the Bridge, Zero Options. Travel to another town, Zero options. Talk to them immediately on the spot-- you get an option. At what point in the game do all these missing dialog options suddenly appear for you? Thanks.

[sinosleep]

I just talk to him randomly throughout the quest. Again, I didn't even know the party banter and the line of questioning was related, and I ALWAYS have Sten at high approval very early in the game. The line of dialogue I posted should be available immediately since one of the very first things I do on every playthrough is go and get Sten's sword.

p.s. I manage to get all of the "something you mentioned" lines of dialogue EVERY PLAYTHROUGH. Wouldn't you think that if they disappeared forever, combined with the fact that I had no idea it had anything to do with party banter, that I would have missed some at some point? And yet I never do? 

Modifié par sinosleep, 31 décembre 2009 - 12:42 .

[SusanStoHelit]

thelebk wrote...

If you do not talk to them immediately you lose it. Go to your camp and ask to speak about something he said recently. Zero Options. Go back to the Bridge, Zero Options. Travel to another town, Zero options. Talk to them immediately on the spot-- you get an option. At what point in the game do all these missing dialog options suddenly appear for you? Thanks.

I just tested this. Sten was in the party and made a comment in Denerim about the children playing in the area. I didn't speak to him. I went back to camp later, and spoke to him about 'something you mentioned earlier' or however they phrase it. One of the options was to do with children, this led into a discussion of children and parents in qunari culture that I'd never come across before.

Maybe you are supposed to be able to discuss it at any later time, but sometimes it glitches and won't let you?

Edit: And at the same time I tested the conversation/sword thing. The point at which you can get the sword conversation (tested this several times) is when you get him to like you enough (through gifts/conversation) that he says "You are not as callow as I thought".

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 31 décembre 2009 - 05:46 .

[thelebk]

OK that is why I don't get the sword line, my faction with him still sucks. I am not sure on the other. I am not going to chance it though in this play through, I am just going to stop everything and talk to him the instant he babbles something until I get his approval up. Thanks.