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[Leyt22]

If I remember correctly, there was a loosely justifiable reason for his actions (because of where he comes from). But he is a decently interesting character beyond that.

[kraidy1117]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Chains-Gore wrote...

Sten is pretty awesome in my opinion. The banter he has with the other party members while you travel is pretty great, and I'm into his deep seeded sense of honnor. As far as the murder goes he turned himself in and was accepting of his fate. He knew he had done something wrong and his only real drive to join you in the first place is to face almost certain doom against the blight in order to repent for his crimes. He may be cold at first but thats because of his cultural background. The dude wanted to die because he had lost his honnor in a few ways, and through the course of the adventure you have the opportunity to help him regain that lost honnor.

Ok, I'll come out and ask why he killed that family. This is the spoiler forum after all, and unless there was a really good reason for that act, I just don't to associate with the guy.

Ok here tyou go. The each Quirni soldeir has a sword given to them when they are young, it is theres for ever until they die. Each one is crafted for them and is part of them. Sten and his brothers came to Fereldan to learn about the blight and they where attacked by Darkspawn. All his brothers where killed and he was badly injured.

He woke up to a farm familly to learn that his sword was gone. He asked the family where it5 was and they did not know. He knew they did not have it, but he panicked and killed. The thing is that even if Sten made it back to his homeland with no weapon he would be3 killed on sight because the Quirni beleive no warrior should ever drop there sword. Also the more you talk to him, the more you learn is that he realy does regret what he did. He is not happy he killed a whole familly, he wanted to die and thats why he joins you. It is just there way, remember Sten is a very complex character, he is not simple like Morrigan or Alistair.

[tmp7704]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Well my character is a city elf as well, and he's a bit put off by the family-murderer thing, because he really values blood-ties and dislikes the abuse of power.

Guess this is also a valid way to look at it; i suppose my elf was bit more conscious the guy whose head she looped off (and rightly so) was technically someone else's --likely beloved-- son, too so to some uninformed third party she wasn't that much different from Sten, really 

[Vergil_dgk]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Chains-Gore wrote...

Sten is pretty awesome in my opinion. The banter he has with the other party members while you travel is pretty great, and I'm into his deep seeded sense of honnor. As far as the murder goes he turned himself in and was accepting of his fate. He knew he had done something wrong and his only real drive to join you in the first place is to face almost certain doom against the blight in order to repent for his crimes. He may be cold at first but thats because of his cultural background. The dude wanted to die because he had lost his honnor in a few ways, and through the course of the adventure you have the opportunity to help him regain that lost honnor.

Ok, I'll come out and ask why he killed that family. This is the spoiler forum after all, and unless there was a really good reason for that act, I just don't to associate with the guy.

He and his scouting squad were attacked by darkspawn, he was the only survivor. Their bodies were picked over for loot by scavengers. Then some farmers found them and realized Sten was alive, so they took him back to their farmhold to take care of him. When he woke up, his sword was gone, he panicked and killed everyone around him. Then when he realized what he'd done, he stayed at the farm until templars came to see what happened, and he chose not to resist arrest. When he's in the cage he will refuse any offers of food and water and believes that being eaten by darkspawn is his just desert. You get him to join you by trying to convince him to do some good with his death, that is, fight the horde to protect innocents in order to regain his lost honor.

Re: the sword, because he was assigned to be a warrior in Qunari society, losing his sword is like abandoning the Qun. He panicked when he couldn't find it and believed the farmers were keeping it from him, though later in the cage he acknowledges that such a notion is ridiculous and that they had no reason to hide his sword. This is why he submits to punishment, because he believes he has dishonored his people.

Huh, I guess that's some kind of explanation. Still isn't a very good one - why would that make him kill children as well as adults? Sounds more like rampage than panic to me.

[BroBear Berbil]

I ignored Sten my first 2 playthroughs. I even left him in the cage on one of them but I decided to use him as a tank for my mage and now I like Sten a lot. Even if you don't use him it's worth working on his disposition because he's a very interesting character and comes from a very interesting culture.

[tmp7704]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Huh, I guess that's some kind of explanation. Still isn't a very good one - why would that make him kill children as well as adults? Sounds more like rampage than panic to me.

Well, it's sort of panic-induced rampage. And yes, it's definitely not supposed to be good explanation (i.e. the sort warranting his reaction) which is why he chooses to accept the punishment for it, and waits for it to come. He regrets what he did and acknowledges his reasons did not excuse him.

Modifié par tmp7704, 29 décembre 2009 - 09:49 .

[Stuffy38]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Ok, I'll come out and ask why he killed that family. This is the spoiler forum after all, and unless there was a really good reason for that act, I just don't to associate with the guy.

You know how almost all of the companions have a personal quest?  Sten's quest will reveal the circumstances around the killing of the people in Lothering.  You just have to talk to him to get him to open up a bit.  The key with him is keep the conversations pretty short.

Back in camp, ask him if he is alright "...you were in that cage for a while." and he will give you +2 approval.
The second conversation that you can initiate with him which will net you +12 approval:

• Ask why he came to Ferelden
• Ask what was the question
• Ask what is an arishok
• Ask did you find an answer
• Ask don't you have to report back
• Ask why not
• Say you can stay with us then

After that you ought to be able to find out why he was in the cage, and he will tell you that he fell near lake Calenhad and you can begin his personal quest.
When you speak to Faryn in part 2 of his personal quest, don't forget to buy the painting gift he has (he's a merchant), that will net you another 10 or so approval points for Sten.

There's plenty of advice in these forums about builds for Sten, I usually put him in Heavy armour and leave him with his 2-handed weapon build.  It takes a little while to get him doing decent damage but once you have invested the time he's worth it.  The other option is to make him sword and board and take over tanking (with Massive armour) but I think Alistair is probably better at that and he starts with a few more points in the right place.

The trick is if he has the heaviest armour in your group and he's using 2-h weapons, don't expect him to last long.  Make sure someone has heavier armour than him so they draw the enemy, and let Sten slice and dice relatively unmolested.

Sorry about the length of the post! 
 

[Vergil_dgk]

tmp7704 wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Well my character is a city elf as well, and he's a bit put off by the family-murderer thing, because he really values blood-ties and dislikes the abuse of power.

Guess this is also a valid way to look at it; i suppose my elf was bit more conscious the guy whose head she looped off (and rightly so) was technically someone else's --likely beloved-- son, too so to some uninformed third party she wasn't that much different from Sten, really 

Guess it depends on how you look at it. I see my guy as a bit of a Robin Hood-style hero. He won't harm an honest man if he can help it, but he was born under the thumb of opression and has to fight to be free. The darkspawn are another kind of oppression and Loghain a third kind. I'm having a hard time enviosioning a character that I would like to play who would take Sten along without a bit of metagaming and foreknowledge on my part. Still, I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.

[Vergil_dgk]

tmp7704 wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Huh, I guess that's some kind of explanation. Still isn't a very good one - why would that make him kill children as well as adults? Sounds more like rampage than panic to me.

Well, it's sort of panic-induced rampage. And yes, it's definitely not supposed to be good explanation (i.e. the sort warranting his reaction) which is why he chooses to accept the punishment for it, and waits for it to come. He regrets what he did and acknowledges his reasons did not excuse him.

Ok... I guess I agree with him... and my character agrees with him... He can stay in his cage and wait to feed the spawn.

[tmp7704]

One extra thing that just came to mind. if i understand it right Qunari raise their children in different way (it's one of points you can discuss with Sten) and so he might've perceived the children he faced not the same way we tend to think about them.

[DiscipleofUranus]

Everyone keep saying he killed children.... but i must have played the game about 7 times, and have taken Sten everytime except the first because i think hes great. But at no point do i remember anyone saying he killed children, he admits to killing farmers and their familys. Unless i missed something, nobody ever mentioned specifically children being killed. Because the family could have just have easily been a farmer, his wife and his brother. Of course its quite possible i missed something.

[Vergil_dgk]

DiscipleofUranus wrote...

Everyone keep saying he killed children.... but i must have played the game about 7 times, and have taken Sten everytime except the first because i think hes great. But at no point do i remember anyone saying he killed children, he admits to killing farmers and their familys. Unless i missed something, nobody ever mentioned specifically children being killed. Because the family could have just have easily been a farmer, his wife and his brother. Of course its quite possible i missed something.

I think he says he "killed 8 people, including the children" - or maybe that was actually "apart from the children". That is really what puts me off him, seeing as I'm a 30 year old guy with two young kids and who works with torture victims. He reminds too much of certain psychopaths I've encountered at work... but, hey, that's just me!

Modifié par Vergil_dgk, 29 décembre 2009 - 10:06 .

[bobsmyuncle]

tmp7704 wrote...

One extra thing that just came to mind. if i understand it right Qunari raise their children in different way (it's one of points you can discuss with Sten) and so he might've perceived the children he faced not the same way we tend to think about them.

Yeah, Qunari don't raise their own children. I assume that as soon as their babies are weaned they are sent off to the education centers. It's possible they have very different attitudes about children.

That aside, he doesn't make any excuses for what he did. He knows it was heinous. My PC gave him a chance to find redemption because she is a finely tuned forgiveness machine. :innocent:

Also, he is fun to talk to. Sten is king of the ice burn.

[Vajarra]

MatronAdena wrote...

The thing about sten, is there is alot more to him than what you see at first..he's not the cold blooded murderer as he's introduced as, there was a reason for it which he regrets....but you wont learn that if you don't take him along. You also learn alot of his culture and such....and the banter between him, and morrigan is a riot!

This is true of almost every character but yes, there's much more to Sten than first appears. You would be missing out on a lot by leaving him behind.

In my case, I wish I brought him along in my party more, but Dog's Overwhelm means he usually makes the cut instead, gotta love Dog, Chewer of Mages.

[Adanu]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Huh, I guess that's some kind of explanation. Still isn't a very good one - why would that make him kill children as well as adults? Sounds more like rampage than panic to me.

Well, it's sort of panic-induced rampage. And yes, it's definitely not supposed to be good explanation (i.e. the sort warranting his reaction) which is why he chooses to accept the punishment for it, and waits for it to come. He regrets what he did and acknowledges his reasons did not excuse him.

Ok... I guess I agree with him... and my character agrees with him... He can stay in his cage and wait to feed the spawn.

You *want* to give the darkspawn more bodies? The guy *knows* he did something wrong. Sten is probably more honorable than the rest of your party combined save Leliana. Alistair is immature and uses humor to cover up his insecurities. Morrigan is a liar and a thief indirectly. The rest are hiding from their past. Sten accepts his past, regrets it, and does not go off on a whiny rant.

In fact, the only real fault I find with Sten would be that he is so rigid at times that he does not see battle in terms of a general, but rather a Sargeant... but in time you can change that. His people have no morale problems because of their duty.

If you leave him because of that, you are far worse than he is with honor.

[Stuffy38]

bobsmyuncle wrote...
Also, he is fun to talk to. Sten is king of the ice burn.

Sten routinely 'wins' conversations with Morrigan.  That's gotta count for something.

[Periph]

I usually have Sten in the party. I think he's the most rewarding character to interact with because you do have to listen and he won't volunteer much information otherwise. Getting high approval with him feels less like attachment from proximity and more like actual respect. Also, unlike the rest of the party, actually agreeing with your choices isn't as important to him as that you're willing to take charge and that you have reasons even if you decide not to share them.



As to the family-murderer part, I think it's important that he never tries to justify or minimize it. He doesn't expect or seem to want the PC to brush it off either. You can easily play it as the PC not caring, but I think the game makes it clear that Sten doesn't view being let out of the cage as forgiveness of any sort. It's a slightly different death sentence, and one that he thinks he deserves.

[Bratinov]

On my first playthrough I couldn't stand Sten, he's indifference bottered me as did his constant disapproving of my actions, so much so that i asked him to leave...

Second time around I managed to get some approval and actually warmed up to him a bit but he will never leave the camp again... as he said he’s is a simple creature.

I say he deserves death.

[MaxxQ]

Yes, he does say he killed the kids, and if you go and talk to the Revered Mother back at the Chantry, she even mentions it, and also mentions that only the youngest survived by hiding.



The Sten (not really his name, but what he is - there's a couple of points in the game where he says "I am a sten of the Beresaad") did what he did out of panic. His sword was made for his hand alone, and without it, he is without honor and cannot return to his homeland. The Qunari have a very strict honor code, and would kill him on sight if he returned without his sword.



After killing the family, he realized what he did and felt remorse, waiting for the soldiers to come and get him, He accepted his fate, to be left in the cage until he died of starvation, the darkspawn got him, or he was sentenced. Again, that honor code. During the conversation with him while he's in the cage, you can ask him if he wants to atone for what he did. By helping to fight the darkspawn, he atones.



He's one of the more complex and interesting characters in the game, and the usual nice talk to him actually loses approval. You basically have to remind him who's in charge, and be able to even back that up with action, at one point.



Still, considering what you said you do for a living, I can understand why you'd be unwilling to give him a chance. Most of us here don't see that sort of thing up close and personal, and just shrug it off as, "It's just a game." Even so, I think you should give him a try for at least one game, and if you just can't get around his past, then you can always tell him to leave your party.

[arntson]

i think hes a ****** and i think ill leave him to rot forever more he kills the family over a sword A SWORD A MOTHERF******* SWORD(thats what i heard at least) i thats just *****ed up also i dont have room with zev ali and morrigan(or wynne)

Modifié par arntson, 29 décembre 2009 - 10:26 .

[tmp7704]

arntson wrote...

i think hes a ****** and i think ill leave him to rot forever more he kills the family over a sword A SWORD A MOTHERF******* SWORD i thats just *****ed up also i dont have room with zev ali and morrigan(or wynne)

The swords are bit different deal with the Qunari. Think of it more like of waking up after a car accident and finding out you're blind and one of your legs is missing. People quite frequently do freak out over such revelation.

[arntson]

tmp7704 wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Well my character is a city elf as well, and he's a bit put off by the family-murderer thing, because he really values blood-ties and dislikes the abuse of power.

Guess this is also a valid way to look at it; i suppose my elf was bit more conscious the guy whose head she looped off (and rightly so) was technically someone else's --likely beloved-- son, too so to some uninformed third party she wasn't that much different from Sten, really 

you killed a rapist and his guard sten kills a farmer and some CHILDREN and his wife

[arntson]

tmp7704 wrote...

arntson wrote...

i think hes a ****** and i think ill leave him to rot forever more he kills the family over a sword A SWORD A MOTHERF******* SWORD i thats just *****ed up also i dont have room with zev ali and morrigan(or wynne)

The swords are bit different deal with the Qunari. Think of it more like of waking up after a car accident and finding out you're blind and one of your legs is missing. People quite frequently do freak out over such revelation.

i dont care its no excuse and if any qunari would do the same thing i think i want to annihilate them all.

[Cybercat999]

arntson wrote...
you killed a rapist and his guard sten kills a farmer and some CHILDREN and his wife

Qun dont see children in the same way as humans.

[Kelanil]

Because he steals cookies from a fat kid and the cake is a lie. Thats why Sten is worth it.