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[Kniva Knobbyknees]

Being the casteless slime that I am ... I prefer the companionship of the mutt, the bear and the child killer.

:)/

[Taittinger]

I keep him naked in camp and give him paintings.

[fairandbalancedfan]

Sten is the only Qunari you have an interaction with. It's your only chance of learning about their alien culture. That is one good reason in my book.

[Noble_House]

Sten is honestly the character I like the best in the whole game. It's really a pity he has so little dialogue or information about his people. The qunari are by far the most interesting civilization I have seen in any Fantasy context.



I take him along on most characters, except for when I am a 2H warrior myself.

[Zaprhudar]

I wish there was a choice to give Sten a good spanking. I think his reaction would be rather stoic...but amusing. I'd take him over my knee and say 'no cookie for you'...give him a couple good slaps on those cheeks and he'd say something like "I see no reason for you to merely slap where I sit. There is no honor in that."

[Vergil_dgk]

Well, I'm a bit unhappy with a few of the arguments made in this thread:



first off, many people say we can't or shouldn't judge Sten because he is from a different culture. I disagree: his crime took place in Ferelden and should be according to Ferelden law and culture. My character has a background and culture too which does not take a backseat to that of other people just because they are foreign to my land. Furthermore he himself knows what he did is wrong, proving that his culture isn't that much of a migitating circumstance anyway.



Second of all, many people stress the fact that he regrets what he did. While this is certainly a migitating circumstance, it does not absolve him of his crime. Nor is it either surprising or especially commendable (I mean, wouldn't everyone?). I don't find it especially intriguing either, in my view it just makes him slightly less of a beast.



Lastly, I'm not that stoked on qunari culture as it has been represented through this thread. They sound more klingon than alien to me.

[errant_knight]

The first time through, I'd never played a 'party' game like this before, and didn't understand just how much of the game took place by talking to the characters in camp. Not only did I miss a lot, but the only character I liked much was Alistair. This time, I did a lot more talking and I'm liking the characters a lot more, particularly Sten. You find out why he did what he did, and more about his culture. He becomes a much more sympathetic character, although he remains difficult for the Fereldans (and other humans  ; )  to understand. In any case, he's one of the most interesting characters.

Modifié par errant_knight, 30 décembre 2009 - 07:25 .

[MatronAdena]

what it really boils down to is this if " this" character wont take him...fine, so you miss out on some banter, dialogs, and a side quest, and a two handed tank..no biggie... Now if it's you personally ( which is how it more or less feels) then don't bother at all on any play through again, you will only be missing out on the above said, and an achievement,,, that's it. If you have a " later" character that wants him, sweet deal...



everyone has their personal view on life that will affect their characters, some may bend it a little, some wont, but that's what you get, when asked why someone will take him along, well there are reasons, if you can see/understand, or wont see/understand...good on you one way or another

[Lotion Soronarr]

Vergil_dgk wrote...
Huh, I guess that's some kind of explanation. Still isn't a very good one - why would that make him kill children as well as adults? Sounds more like rampage than panic to me.

Yup. It was. IIRC, made worse by the fact that he asked the farmers to take him to where they found him. They did go and the farmers helped him look for the blade, but they didn't find it.

[Vergil_dgk]

Yeah this wasn't supposed to be a long thread about cultural relativism and morality anyway. I just wondered about this npc but can now see that he isn't for me, that's really all there is to it ;-)

[JaegerBane]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Well, I'm a bit unhappy with a few of the arguments made in this thread:

first off, many people say we can't or shouldn't judge Sten because he is from a different culture. I disagree: his crime took place in Ferelden and should be according to Ferelden law and culture. My character has a background and culture too which does not take a backseat to that of other people just because they are foreign to my land. Furthermore he himself knows what he did is wrong, proving that his culture isn't that much of a migitating circumstance anyway.

Given the both the Ferelden and Qunari punishments for his crime are the same, I'm not really sure what relevance his background is in this particular regard.

Second of all, many people stress the fact that he regrets what he did. While this is certainly a migitating circumstance, it does not absolve him of his crime. Nor is it either surprising or especially commendable (I mean, wouldn't everyone?). I don't find it especially intriguing either, in my view it just makes him slightly less of a beast.

I think the problem here is that it's a hell of a lot more than 'regret' going on here. He isn't just slightly miffed that he murdered that family. He's so disgusted with himself that, had this been in his homeland, he would have committed suicide, but since it isn't, he elected to submit to whatever authority is in Ferelden on the basis he doesn't really know what Fereldens do with people in his position.

Ultimately, there is a cultural issue here - the loss of his sword is literally analgous to a ferelden losing his entire family. He doesn't even consider himself Qunari any more until he gets it back. The Qun philosophy is extremely strict and he has been conditioned from birth to it - I don't think you're giving enough credit to this. He is under no illusions as to the seriousness of what he's done, but ultimately Sten is no more responsible for the family's death as he would be had he been a soldier involved in a friendly fire or mistaken identity death.

Lastly, I'm not that stoked on qunari culture as it has been represented through this thread. They sound more klingon than alien to me.

Without wanting to sound cold, I personally think the Qun philosophy is much more effective and positive than the Chantry religion. My own character is much more swayed by it. Given time, he may well adopt it as his religion.

[Vergil_dgk]

Jaeger, while I agree with most of your post, this bit:



"ultimately Sten is no more responsible for the family's death as he would be had he been a soldier involved in a friendly fire or mistaken identity death."





Seems very odd to me, at least considering what I've heard so far. Murdering an entire family of defenseless farmers (including women and children) sure seems a hell of a lot different from accidentally shooting an ally in the dark. I think even Sten would agree with this (-again based on what I have heard thus far). Also, the cold, ruthless yet honourable barbarian/dark hero-type is one of my least favourite fantasy-clichés. -But that's a personal oppinion.

[Ponce de Leon]

Doesn't he even admit he caged himself? He knows what he did, he realizes it and while some may argue on this, he may still regret what he did. While there is no excuse for a warrior with honor, or any other human being, to kill an entire family, he gets the chance to make things right by saving Ferelden and the blight. Same thing goes for Loghain.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Considering there is no one to judge him for his crimes, you are going to leave him in there to be slaughtered by the darkspawn? How very noble of you... but whatever floats your boat.

Actually the more I think about it, the way Sten is treated in my opinion speaks serious volumes of the Chantry and the Templars seeing as those in Lothering were basically going to leave him there to get killed by the Darkspawn.

Edit: Dark-Lauron, indeed he does do all that you commented on.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 30 décembre 2009 - 12:01 .

[amrose2]

dark-lauron wrote...

Doesn't he even admit he caged himself? He knows what he did, he realizes it and while some may argue on this, he may still regret what he did. While there is no excuse for a warrior with honor, or any other human being, to kill an entire family, he gets the chance to make things right by saving Ferelden and the blight. Same thing goes for Loghain.

He absolutely regrets it. Even his tagline in his codex entry is such. If you take him to the Sacred Ashes trials you get more evidence of this.

His chance at atonement is ending the Blight, which is part of why he stays on after you do his sidequest.


Anyway, he's an awesome character. At first you think he's kind of shallow, not much to him. The brilliance is that in order to get much influence and dialogue with him is you have to actually take him along. I really like that design. You can't run through all the dialogues in one sitting like I do with the others.

If you needed another reason to use him... the banter between him and Leliana is soooooooo hilarious

[twintalons]

Found him the most boring character of the lot, and none of his lines with others made me laugh (unlike all the other companions).

I just plain didn't like him on the first play, but did his quest and did all his dialogue on the second play to see what he had to say (boring) and on the third play I left him in his cage at Lothering.

I would never leave any of the others behind!

[Lotion Soronarr]

Vergil_dgk wrote...
Also, the cold, ruthless yet honourable barbarian/dark hero-type is one of my least favourite fantasy-clichés. -But that's a personal oppinion.

In general  I agree...altough there are exceptions *cough*PhoenixIkki*cough* (and Sten is..OK)
I'm alos begningin to loath the hotheaded, eternal optimist, never-gives-up type.

[robertthebard]

It's funny how he can be outright condemned here, yet no matter your party configuration when you talk to him, they want to let him go.

Alistair(w/out Morrigan in party): You know, Qunari are renowned warriors...

Leliana(regardlesss of who's in party): To be left here to starve, or to die to the darkspawn, nobody deserves that, not even a murderer.

Morrigan: This is a proud and noble creature, if you can't see a use for him, I suggest releasing him for mercy's sake alone.



It's odd to me, that the NPC that people see as the queen of all that is evil in Ferelden, according to Forum Lore, at any rate, would suggest releasing Sten for the sake of mercy, while the self righteous evil haters here would leave him to die of hunger, or defenceless against the darkspawn. Curious, that.



I release him, and take him with me. Even as a 2h weapon warrior, he is doing a fine job tanking. He routinely wins the verbal sparring matches with Morrigan, which is priceless. Not to mention the fact that you can only scratch the surface of what Sten is by camp dialog, but the "I want to discusss something you mentioned earlier" line opens up volumes of information. You can only trigger those by talking to him about things he randomly says while traveling, or in party banter.



My initial reaction was to not like Sten much in my first playthrough, but in my second and subsequent play throughs, I have come to understand more about him, and about the Qunari in general. It is well worth it to allow him to seek his redemption fighting the darkspawn, and finding the answer to the question he was sent to answer. Of note is the fact that despite how warlike the Qunari are, there are no reports of his band of brothers wiping out whole villages looking for the answer to that question.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

And of course Wardog likes him

[Tirigon]

Sten isn´t worse than your other Party members:

• Morrigan: A cruel witch who doesnt care for anything except power
• Leliana: She has killed lots of people as a bard.
• Oghren: Has lost his honor for murder.
• Loghain: Too much crimes to name all, but there are the deaths of thousands of soldiers at Ostagar and the slaying of the Cousland family, for example.
• Zevran: An assassin who is hired to kill you, and admits quite early that he enjoys killing people.
• Shale: Has murdered his master, and tells all the time how much he´d like to crush the people of Honnleath, or at least something else for the fun of it.
• Dog: Okay, he is quite nice, but then, he is a dog. Can´t really compare that.
• Wynne: Another rather "good" person, but she has abandoned her apprentice.
• Alistair: He´s the only one who does not do really bad things, but funnily enough, many people dislike him because he is too soft...... So maybe he should be worse to be accepted as man.

[robertthebard]

Tirigon wrote...

Sten isn´t worse than your other Party members:

• Morrigan: A cruel witch who doesnt care for anything except power
• Leliana: She has killed lots of people as a bard.
  
• Oghren: Has lost his honor for murder.
  
• Loghain: Too much crimes to name all, but there are the deaths of thousands of soldiers at Ostagar and the slaying of the Cousland family, for example.
  
• Zevran: An assassin who is hired to kill you, and admits quite early that he enjoys killing people.
  
• Shale: Has murdered his master, and tells all the time how much he´d like to crush the people of Honnleath, or at least something else for the fun of it.
  
• Dog: Okay, he is quite nice, but then, he is a dog. Can´t really compare that.
  
• Wynne: Another rather "good" person, but she has abandoned her apprentice.
  
• Alistair: He´s the only one who does not do really bad things, but funnily enough, many people dislike him because he is too soft...... So maybe he should be worse to be accepted as man.

Alistair lies to the PC from day one about who he is.  Firstly it's a lie of omission, and then a direct lie if you ask him.  Sten never lies about what happened.  In this, he is superior to Alistair who, out of fear of being looked at differently, or being asked to be King, will withhold information from the PC deliberately, and then have the audacity to blame the PC for his lies.  Many people dislike him because he is unable to be honest about who he is, and what who he is means.  Yes, I'll be swarmed by the fanboys/girls for this statement, but it doesn't change the fact that it's true.

[ToJKa1]

I usually don't; "Don't i have enough armed lunatics following me around already?"

[Vergil_dgk]

Nah, I like Alistair. I never did hold a white lie against somebody (including Bill Clinton ;-) I'm not a big fan of the RPG tough guy, personally, they bore me out. Anyway, maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think a small lie about one's background compares to an honest admission of frenzied mass-murder, but that's just me.

[Xinoxlx]

I rescue him for that cut-scene between him and dog. Not much else though as my pc can probably out dps both oghren and him.

[Realmzmaster]

None of your companions are paragons of virtue. I take Sten all the time because the point is that wardens need all the help they can get. Grey wardens seek the best from whatever circumstances. Alistair states that qunari are excellent warriors. I am figting a war. Sten is a weapon I can use. Also dog is a wardog trained to kill, he fits right in with the rest of the group.
The scenes with Sten and dog are funny. Even if I did not take Sten I would put a sword in his hand and point him to the darkspawn. Far better he die that way.
The Chantry would let him slowly starve to death or be killed by the darkspawn with no way to defend himself. That would be a waste.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 30 décembre 2009 - 06:32 .