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[JamesStark]

I would like it if sexuality and gender identity in characters and companions was explored a bit instead of just labeling

For example, when Hawke is a guy, instead of Anders just hitting you out of the blue, you hit on HIM randomly out of the blue. He turns you down because he's not that way inclined but after time getting to know you he starts to feel less awkward when you casually flirt with him. When it comes to love, he admits he loves you but he's scared because this is all new to him but wants to go though it but just promise him you'll be gentle with him!

EDIT: Made a few alterations to the above example better get my point across. Hope that makes it seem less rapey :/

Something similar with Merril would be cool, But instead of her problem being with gender, it's with the fact that you're human. This admittedly does come up, but as far as I'm aware it didn't go anywhere. I could be wrong, but whatever. My point is made.

Bringing in a transgendered character would be interesting as well, as so far we've only had Serendipidy which seemed to mostly be played for humour.
On top of that asexual characters, pansexual characters and any other sexual I may have missed.

Options to define the protagonist's sexuality and gender indentity would be a nice touch as well. Not as an option in character creation or a one of dialogue choice but over the course of the game you get to say wether you don't or do find something attractive or mention how you relate to a characters situation. That's sounds like it'd be tough to implement without getting in the way of the main story though. :/

Thoughts?

Modifié par JamesStark, 13 octobre 2012 - 09:11 .

[Maria Caliban]

If someone turns me down because they're not interested in my gender, any 'perseverance' on my part is disrespectful at best.

I recall in AC 2 where you literally have a woman tell you to go away and then you follow her home in secret. That was so creepy.

[robertthebard]

Maria Caliban wrote...

If someone turns me down because they're not interested in my gender, any 'perseverance' on my part is disrespectful at best.

I recall in AC 2 where you literally have a woman tell you to go away and then you follow her home in secret. That was so creepy.

I think that's actually in Brotherhood, but yeah, it was creepy.

There's a word for perserverence after rejection:  Stalking.  The way it was handled in DA 2 was fine.  Shoot Anders down, and he doesn't flirt any more, if you are forceful enough about it.  Steve could be rejected in much the same way in ME 3.  Only he was much better at taking a hint than Anders was.

[thats1evildude]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I recall in AC 2 where you literally have a woman tell you to go away and then you follow her home in secret. That was so creepy.

Still a better love story than Twilight.

DG has said he's not crazy about introducing transgendered characters into DA and I have to agree with him. Not because I have anything against transgendered people, but because I have absolutely no clue how you could carry out a gender re-assignment in a quasi-medieval fantasy setting.

It's not like Thedas has Girdles of Femininity/Masculinity like in D&D. 

Modifié par thats1evildude, 10 octobre 2012 - 06:20 .

[thats1evildude]

I give Serendipity a pass because that's more of an "ELVES ALL LOOK LIKE GIRLS HURR DURR" joke.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 10 octobre 2012 - 06:32 .

[thats1evildude]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

It says Serendipity is a transgender elf who works at the blooming rose.

Right. What I'm saying is that the reason why a transgendered elf is working at the Blooming Rose and not, say, a transgendered ANYTHING ELSE is because it's a running gag in fantasy that elves are all effeminate. They made this joke in DAO as well.

Zevran: Hello, my stocky little friend!
Oghren: Huh. You got small breasts for a gal.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 10 octobre 2012 - 06:46 .

[EricHVela]

It would be really neat to see the intricacies of romantic relationships in-depth in a fictional situation based on our interactions as in a game, but let's face it. There are too many variables for that, and it will always be a simulation with limitations.

I'm sure they'll have what they will be able to implement, but don't expect too many complications beyond obvious, superficial stuff.

[Auintus]

I figure, for maximum realism, have certain characters swing certain ways and some, not all, swing both, but maybe harder to convince to go one way than the other.

[Eveangaline]

Maria Caliban wrote...

If someone turns me down because they're not interested in my gender, any 'perseverance' on my part is disrespectful at best. 

Thisthisthisthisthis

If they say things like "Now isn't the right time" trying again later respectully is ok, but op's idea seems a little...uh.. creepy

[Kidd]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

There is a transgender elf (Serendipity) in Mark of the Assassin. He/She's hanging with Seneschal Bran. But that whole scene was done for comedic purposes, not to offend any transgendered people reading this. I understand it's not actually a "funny" thing for most people. But that's how Bioware played off Serendipity. 

Her gender is never made fun of though. She's seemingly lacking in social tact, which is what the joke is all about since she's blurting out how Hawke is a regular at the Rose. If Hawke hasn't slept with Serendipity at the Rose, the scene takes an abrupt turn with Tallis commenting about things being awkward. Some people take this to mean Tallis is commenting about Serendipity's voice (and thus, her gender), while in reality it's a writing error.
[Source 1] [Source 2]
(my memory of old BSN threads sometimes amaze me~~)

[Tokion]

I've always wanted to romance Edwina from BG2...

[EricHVela]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

There is a transgender elf (Serendipity) in Mark of the Assassin. He/She's hanging with Seneschal Bran. But that whole scene was done for comedic purposes, not to offend any transgendered people reading this. I understand it's not actually a "funny" thing for most people. But that's how Bioware played off Serendipity. 

Her gender is never made fun of though. She's seemingly lacking in social tact, which is what the joke is all about since she's blurting out how Hawke is a regular at the Rose. If Hawke hasn't slept with Serendipity at the Rose, the scene takes an abrupt turn with Tallis commenting about things being awkward. Some people take this to mean Tallis is commenting about Serendipity's voice (and thus, her gender), while in reality it's a writing error.
[Source 1] [Source 2]
(my memory of old BSN threads sometimes amaze me~~)

And MK apologized for the result and not the intent. The result is what it is, regardless of the intent, and MK also acknowledged that, too. The result is a joke as Serendipity's expense. There is enough dialog there to make the conclusion that the awkward situation is how "open" Serendipity is with her thoughts verbally in all situations. There is also enough dialog there to make the conclusion that the awkward situation is the transgendered nature of Serendipity if Hawke hasn't been with Serendipity yet.

It is what it is, and there's no going back. It's a joke at her expense in different ways depending on what the viewer sees. Given the commonality of one kind of jab in real life, it's easy to see why most people went with the gender issue. One can't change that, either. I have my own set of situations with the parallels of common and sometimes cruel jokes, but it seems obvious to me that I handle it quite differently.

Serendipity's joke might be a mistake in DA2, but such things directed more towards my situation weren't mistakes in previous BWE games. No offense intended and none taken.

While I made an assumption that the OP did not intend to promote a sexual predator scenario and read it in that mindset, I could be wrong about that.

FemShep can flirt back-and-forth with Vega and finally get a (nervous) rejection when she calls him out on it. End of story? No. She gets one more shot at it. Still a rejection, but less nervous. This is the example I was thinking when I read the OP.

[Atalanta]

JamesStark wrote...
For example, when Hawke is a guy, instead of Anders just hitting you out of the blue, you hit on HIM randomly out of the blue. He turns you down because he's not that way inclined but after time and percerverance he starts to feel less awkward when you flirt with him. When it comes to love, he admits he loves you but he's scared because this is all new to him but wants to go though it but just promise him you'll be gentle with him!

The "perseverance" here is something I'm pretty touchy about, because I have gone through a stalking situation before. Long story short - I'm gay, I was friendly with a straight male co-worker who got it into his head that I was harboring secret feelings for him. For months he wouldn't leave me alone, and I had to have police involved. Not pretty.

Exploring sexuality is all fine and good, but no needs to mean no even in a fictional setting. Having the PC be able to pester an NPC about admitting to romantic feelings, or vice-versa, would give me major icky feelings.

[Wulfram]

Hawke has to be pretty perseverant to win Isabela's heart.

[Kidd]

ReggarBlane wrote...

And MK apologized for the result and not the intent. The result is what it is, regardless of the intent, and MK also acknowledged that, too. The result is a joke as Serendipity's expense. There is enough dialog there to make the conclusion that the awkward situation is how "open" Serendipity is with her thoughts verbally in all situations. There is also enough dialog there to make the conclusion that the awkward situation is the transgendered nature of Serendipity if Hawke hasn't been with Serendipity yet.

Yeah of course. I was just pointing out how that was not how the scene was meant to be taken.

[Abraham_uk]

Maria Caliban wrote...

If someone turns me down because they're not interested in my gender, any 'perseverance' on my part is disrespectful at best.

I recall in AC 2 where you literally have a woman tell you to go away and then you follow her home in secret. That was so creepy.

When girls say that they're not interested in my gender the chances are they're quite simply not into me. They're not lesbian. They just don't find me attractive.

Wouldn't be interesting if one of the characters that turned you down lied about their sexuality in the hope that you stop pestering them.

[KainD]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Actually this happens with Alistair, sort of. You can (if female) invite him into your tent. He gets nervous and turns you down - but not because of your gender, more so because he's unsure. Either way, the whole "you flirt first, they turn you down" thing goes into effect. It wasn't creepy when I asked him again later. If I pushed him too early on his approval would drop - sure. I just had to boost his approval.

I remember that scene:

[Atalanta]

KainD wrote...
I remember that scene:

why did I watch that can't unsee

[Emzamination]

JamesStark wrote...

I would like it if sexuality and gender identity in characters and companions was explored a bit instead of just labeling

For example, when Hawke is a guy, instead of Anders just hitting you out of the blue, you hit on HIM randomly out of the blue. He turns you down because he's not that way inclined but after time and percerverance he starts to feel less awkward when you flirt with him. When it comes to love, he admits he loves you but he's scared because this is all new to him but wants to go though it but just promise him you'll be gentle with him!

Something similar with Merril would be cool, But instead of her problem being with gender, it's with the fact that you're human. This admittedly does come up, but as far as I'm aware it didn't go anywhere. I could be wrong, but whatever. My point is made.

Bringing in a transgendered character would be interesting as well, as so far we've only had Serendipidy which seemed to mostly be played for humour.
On top of that asexual characters, pansexual characters and any other sexual I may have missed.

Options to define the protagonist's sexuality and gender indentity would be a nice touch as well. Not as an option in character creation or a one of dialogue choice but over the course of the game you get to say wether you don't or do find something attractive or mention how you relate to a characters situation. That's sounds like it'd be tough to implement without getting in the way of the main story though. :/

Thoughts?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no and just for good measure - NO!!!

I'm a avid supporter of bisexual LI but even I can see you're going bit totally overboard.

Modifié par Emzamination, 10 octobre 2012 - 08:43 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

krul2k wrote...

ppl wont be happy until every npc is running around naked with a "poke me" sign above there head

There are mods for that.