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[Kidd]

In my Origin story my PC decided to accept Vaughan's bribe. Not because she wanted the bribe per se, but as Vaughan said, if he died then his father would burn the alienage. My character figured the lives of everyone she lived with there was worth more than the joy of gutting Vaughan.

Now, I understand Shianni and the others would be pissed off when my PC met up with them, it's very understandable and I'm not saying they should've forgiven her. I'm just surprised I never, even once, got a chance to say she left the estate to ensure they didn't all face the arl's wrath because of what she did. Instead it all played out as if my character had allowed the bribe for the bribe's sake alone.

Did I misunderstand the choice at the beginning? To me it sounded like,

1) Kill the utterly terrible guy, the arl avenges his son by burning the alienage
2) Let the utterly terrible guy continue raping the PC's friends and kin, the alienage survives and the PC also gets 40 sovereigns to her name

(that the alienage is raided and that the PC doesn't get her money either way is irrelevant at the time of the decision)

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 10 octobre 2012 - 06:29 .

[andy6915]

The alienage gets purged whether you take the bribe or not. An elf still killed about 30 guards of an arl's estate. Do you really think that would be let slide just because you didn't kill the arl too? Seeing as the consequences will be the same either way, you should gut the bastard while you're at it.

[Kidd]

Oh of course gutting is for the better. It's the exact same result in the end only you get to kill bad people, save friends and your friends don't hate you

I suppose I could simply write it off as Vaughan lying about the alienage only burning if he dies, now that I think about it.

[andy6915]

He is lying. Again, you just slaughtered his entire estates worth of guards, and elves in general will be seen as the ones who did it, and a purge will happen. You actually believed him? The alianage was screwed the moment you grabbed a sword and killed your first guard. At that point, you couldn't make things worse then they already were.

[Kidd]

I believed him, yeah, lol. My first city elf still killed his arse, so I decided to let this one try the other way around. Still, it's surprising my PC never got to defend herself when she was accused. "But Vaughan said his father would burn the alienage if I hurt him. It didn't work out, but all I wanted was to everyone to live" or some line like that would've been worth a lot to me~

[andy6915]

A dialog option you wish was there but wasn't happens at least a few times for every Bioware game. Just got to be used to it.

[TobiTobsen]

You believed that a guy who went to elven weddings to "borrow some playthings", was one massiv racist jerk with an ego bigger than Denerim and was about to rape some of your childhood friends would just let it slide that some subhuman murdered half his estate?

Taking Vaughans bribe is, in my opinion, one of the most evil decisions you can take in DAO. It's motivated simply by greed and brings absolutly no benefit for anybody.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 10 octobre 2012 - 09:49 .

[Kidd]

Obviously, it wasn't motivated simply by greed for my character.

[Wulfram]

I agree there should be an opportunity to try to justify yourself. Whether anyone buys it would be another matter.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I remember this choice. Yeah, I agree it's frustrating that for those who are not motivated by the gold never got a chance to defend their decision. I still don't think you'd be forgiven, as Soris is ostracized even if you do save the girls, but it'd be nice to have seen:

PC: "I didn't do it for the @#$%ing money."
NPC: "Why then?"
PC: "The arl would have purged the alienage if we'd killed his son!"
NPC: "Well good sodding job, because there was a purge anyway."
PC: "I was trying to put the needs of the many above the needs of--"
NPC: "--someone who trusted you, being raped right in front of you?"
PC: "...I'll see myself out."

It doesn't matter if Vaughan was lying or not. That's one of the occasions where DA:O assumes motive, and it's impossible to have the 'needs of the many' decision separated from the bribe.

[TobiTobsen]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Obviously, it wasn't motivated simply by greed for my character.

I understand that. I just think that your characters train of thought is simply not going to work with an a**hole as big as Vaughan.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 11 octobre 2012 - 07:02 .

[Face of Evil]

Yeah, my very first thought when hearing Vaughan's bargain was that he would call for the city guard the second I was out of sight. I re-loaded an old save once just to see what would happen if I took the money and my suspicions were confirmed.

Really, did you think that the rapacious bigot would let the murder of his guards and the theft of his valuables just slide without seeking retribution? There was no way that would happen.

I know you wanted to defend your decision as not being motivated by greed, but really, you're asking Bioware for the option to portray your character as a hopelessly naive idiot.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 11 octobre 2012 - 08:33 .

[Kidd]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

PC: "I didn't do it for the @#$%ing money."
NPC: "Why then?"
PC: "The arl would have purged the alienage if we'd killed his son!"
NPC: "Well good sodding job, because there was a purge anyway."
PC: "I was trying to put the needs of the many above the needs of--"
NPC: "--someone who trusted you, being raped right in front of you?"
PC: "...I'll see myself out."

Would pay for a $10 DLC for this dialogue option =)

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Face of Evil wrote...

I know you wanted to defend your decision as not being motivated by greed, but really, you're asking Bioware for the option to portray your character as a hopelessly naive idiot.

Which they don't seem to have a problem with. Wanna sleep with Morinth?

[emeraldtrader]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

PC: "I didn't do it for the @#$%ing money."
NPC: "Why then?"
PC: "The arl would have purged the alienage if we'd killed his son!"
NPC: "Well good sodding job, because there was a purge anyway."
PC: "I was trying to put the needs of the many above the needs of--"
NPC: "--someone who trusted you, being raped right in front of you?"
PC: "...I'll see myself out."

.

I assume that Vaughn was in the dungon when you went to resque the queen...

[Portia Cousland]

I think this is a very interesting scenario where the PC gets shafted for being naive. I remember my first Female CE and I was about to make the same choice you did for the same reason but then saw the dialogue option about "You don't think they'll do it anyway..." and immediately changed my mind.

I think there are several of these little gems sprinkled throughout the game, though I can't recall specific ones right now. It made it interesting for me

[sylvanaerie]

When I play I like to explore all kinds of dialogue options to see where things will lead. I decided I like the idea of at least RPing my PC thinks of what he says for a moment until he insists Shianni and the others will be staying for more 'party time'. At that point, my PC decides killing this jerk just got 10 times more satisfying and fun.

Vaughan never makes it out alive in my CE origins.

I had to look up the dialogue in the toolset to see if it varies. Not by much. Certainly not worth letting him live after that.

Then you get to tell Cailan you got arrested for killing a noble who raped your cousin. I love the CE origin, she's just so BADASS!