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SRSLY who designed the Dragoon?


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The fact that they completely ignore Tactical Cloak is unacceptable; if they cant melee you they'll just mow you down with the Hornet as if it's a Typhoon they're using

Dragoons seriously need to get toned down

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100RenegadePoints wrote...

This thread should stay at the first page... There should be a change in the way the dragoons behave, they track the player way too easily. It is too obvious that you are playing against an AI


this! both the dragoon and geth bomber behave totally ridiculously. both just come straight at you and start their attack patterns totally ignorign EVERYTHING. i'd love to see the dragoons charging from cover to cover and THE move on to spam you..

and then again, i'd like to see bombers just reduced to 1hp recon drones that come in swarms and die. Space invaders and ME3 dont mix.

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junk... The Dragoon is junk... Multiple medigel revive needed, cloak useless... just like the Geth do it. 3 Dragoons, they just take away your ops packs and medigel. Bioware obviously knew to what the introduction of the Dragoon would lead, when they added the medigel/rocket capacity gear and the Turian stimpacks.

You barely fight phantoms anymore vs Cerberus, you kill the first wave of Dragoons and second arrives before you ever see a phantom. Just when the Dragoon budget runs out will you see something else... This is NOT GOOD!!!

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I just had a Dragoon floating at me full speed! Yep, not running, floating.

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CitizenThom wrote...

Thye probably need to have their Smash base cooldown increased to 8 seconds  Image IPBImage IPB.


this, and honestly, the only thing I find annoying about them is that they're hard to stagger. not cool. too hard to stagger for their speed. 

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Dragoons feel rushed and not thought out, probably because THEY WERE RUSHED AND NOT THOUGHT OUT.

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I like them better than phantoms.

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-JP- wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Sofar the only thing I dislike is that the looks made them hard to distinguish from teammates.


I concur.

These were my exact thoughts as I was the first to charge into a hack circle objective on Dagger/Gold:
  • Oh crap the area is swarmed
  • Phew, my ex-Cerberus Adept teammate is here
  • Oh crap that's a dragoon!
  • Prepare to be staggered by my GPS X!!!
You can guess how well that turned out. There were a few Dragoons but I figured if I medi-geled I could throw my turret and do some damage. I got bounced around between them before I got insta-killed by a Phantom.

I used to play Infiltrator with a BW pretty well against Cerberus, but now I think a close-up brute damage strategy might be more effective.

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So much BSN whine ! #LOL

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Whiner...

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I'm not a whiner, I just see the lazy stupid **** programmers put in to "up the challenge"

Straight from ME1 AI - Dragoon! I will destroy you! GO GO GO! I will destroy you! GO GO GO! I will...

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The Dragoons aren't a problem for me at all (played all difficulties so far besides Platinum). I legitimately don't see why people hate them so much.

Granted, I was mostly playing N7 Shadow specced for Shadow Strike with +200% cooldown reduction.

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o Ventus wrote...

The Dragoons aren't a problem for me at all (played all difficulties so far besides Platinum). I legitimately don't see why people hate them so much.

Granted, I was mostly playing N7 Shadow specced for Shadow Strike with +200% cooldown reduction.


Yeah, people play 1 character and then say everything is fine. 

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So far I've played 3 Plats and about just over half a dozen Gold against Cerberus and I have no idea what people are complaining about.

Honestly Centurions cause more trouble than them. Dragoons run at you like they WANT to die as fast as possible.

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Dragoons are a pain, they see through TC and stasis doesnt even work on them so two powers are useless against them. But then i do kill them with ease when i lash them so.

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o Ventus wrote...

The Dragoons aren't a problem for me at all (played all difficulties so far besides Platinum). I legitimately don't see why people hate them so much.

Granted, I was mostly playing N7 Shadow specced for Shadow Strike with +200% cooldown reduction.


Yeah, people play 1 character and then say everything is fine. 


I guess you missed the part where I put "granted".

Congratulations, you've missed the point spectacularly.

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So far I've played 3 Plats and about just over half a dozen Gold against Cerberus and I have no idea what people are complaining about.

Honestly Centurions cause more trouble than them. Dragoons run at you like they WANT to die as fast as possible.


Complaining about ****** AI that doesn't bring ANYTHING NEW into the field, nor does it fit in Cerberus. Not about how hard they are. 

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o Ventus wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

The Dragoons aren't a problem for me at all (played all difficulties so far besides Platinum). I legitimately don't see why people hate them so much.

Granted, I was mostly playing N7 Shadow specced for Shadow Strike with +200% cooldown reduction.


Yeah, people play 1 character and then say everything is fine. 


I guess you missed the part where I put "granted".

Congratulations, you've missed the point spectacularly.


I was generalizing. Because I see this in every thread. People talk about how to deal with something, but do not see no matter how you can deal with BS it's still BS. 

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Air Quotes wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So far I've played 3 Plats and about just over half a dozen Gold against Cerberus and I have no idea what people are complaining about.

Honestly Centurions cause more trouble than them. Dragoons run at you like they WANT to die as fast as possible.


Complaining about ****** AI that doesn't bring ANYTHING NEW into the field, nor does it fit in Cerberus. Not about how hard they are. 


Then what's the problem? ****** AI is easy AI.

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Nothing that moves that fast should have armour.

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Air Quotes wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So far I've played 3 Plats and about just over half a dozen Gold against Cerberus and I have no idea what people are complaining about.

Honestly Centurions cause more trouble than them. Dragoons run at you like they WANT to die as fast as possible.


Complaining about ****** AI that doesn't bring ANYTHING NEW into the field, nor does it fit in Cerberus. Not about how hard they are. 


Then what's the problem? ****** AI is easy AI.


See? What's the problem? So devs can add anything for you and you'll be happy? How about and instant teleporting phantom? It teleports and stabs you. Thats it. Easy AI. Happy? 

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The problem with dragoons is the same as the problem with phantoms - conga lines. One or two is manageable, but when 4 spawn in the same location and insta-kill you, then proceed to camp over your body, you might as well save the medigel and just get stomped because there is no escaping that with their infernal stagger.

It's like BioWare saw all the complaint about Geth stunlock and thought "Oh, I know! We'll give Cerberus a cheap-budget unit that does that too so medigel officially becomes worthless for them too!"

Dragoons wouldn't be so bad if so many didn't spawn at once. Right now they're as bad as Geth Hunters, but immune to stasis and a host of other powers.

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MP-Ryan wrote...

The problem with dragoons is the same as the problem with phantoms - conga lines. One or two is manageable, but when 4 spawn in the same location and insta-kill you, then proceed to camp over your body, you might as well save the medigel and just get stomped because there is no escaping that with their infernal stagger.

It's like BioWare saw all the complaint about Geth stunlock and thought "Oh, I know! We'll give Cerberus a cheap-budget unit that does that too so medigel officially becomes worthless for them too!"

Dragoons wouldn't be so bad if so many didn't spawn at once. Right now they're as bad as Geth Hunters, but immune to stasis and a host of other powers.


+1 one more person that gets it. 

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Air Quotes wrote...

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Huh. I'm finding them really easy. They're actually the top-most of my Cerberus kills in my challenge list right now. Their lash animation is so long that you can just back up and plink 'em to death with an SMG.


They are not hard to take down, but they are super annoying and just feel unfinshed. They are totally out of pace with the rest of Cerberus. 

^This. They are currently the weirdest, most awkward enemy in the game. BW might as well remove their model animations so they just skate around in that weird DaVinci Pose like a swarm of glitched Vanguards.




Also, the Geth bomber is also a cheapskate enemy. They cut & pasted the lamest Geth unit from the previous two games and shoehorned it into MP with a weirdo ability.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:14 .


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Air Quotes wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Then what's the problem? ****** AI is easy AI.


See? What's the problem? So devs can add anything for you and you'll be happy? How about and instant teleporting phantom? It teleports and stabs you. Thats it. Easy AI. Happy? 


You never addressed the question, you just made a hypothetical that in no way related. There's a difference between an enemy that "never takes cover" and is a "******" and an instant teleporting Phantom.

So what's the problem with Dragoons? An enemy that never takes cover and is a ******? How are you having trouble beating it? What are you doing that means you're struggling?

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:13 .