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[Nevadie83]

they act like suicide bombing robots, lore wise, only way BW can say that they're working as intended is if they say their completly indoctrinated like husks but their cerberus special ops.

Def agree that the sounds for this guy aren't in the game and that's a lack of design. But the problem always is blaming the programmers or staff. Dont blame them. Blame their bosses that don't do the most important thing which is SUPERVISE.

[mar007]

Prince Bubblegeth wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Thye probably need to have their Smash base cooldown increased to 8 seconds  .

this, and honestly, the only thing I find annoying about them is that they're hard to stagger. not cool. too hard to stagger for their speed. 

Smash cooldown, stagger, and not sure why they can move towards you while Smashing. It has happened several times when I back up as they raise their whips, and they seem to take two or three steps towards me as the whips come down. It doesn't seem fair that the player remains static while Smashing, but these guys can move.
It seems the only way to avoid Smash is to roll away. No run and gun against these guys.

[Ashen One]

mar007 wrote...

Prince Bubblegeth wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Thye probably need to have their Smash base cooldown increased to 8 seconds  .

this, and honestly, the only thing I find annoying about them is that they're hard to stagger. not cool. too hard to stagger for their speed. 

Smash cooldown, stagger, and not sure why they can move towards you while Smashing. It has happened several times when I back up as they raise their whips, and they seem to take two or three steps towards me as the whips come down. It doesn't seem fair that the player remains static while Smashing, but these guys can move.
It seems the only way to avoid Smash is to roll away. No run and gun against these guys.

Maybe it's best that their Smash attacks aren't exactly like ours.

I mean, our Phoenix characters can use Smash and heavy melee near simultaneously.

[heybigmoney]

Dragoons obviously play COD. Run at you like a headless chicken kamikaze, die, instarespawn and do it all over again.

I understand that there needs to be cover buster units to keep games more mobile like the reapers, but their implementation is just bad.

[jd641]

mar007 wrote...

It doesn't seem fair

Fair? It's supposed to be a challenge, isn't it? That's why people left, because there was no challege for some, it got boring. What ever happened to gamers who strived to overcome obstacles and improve their tactics/skills instead of asking for nerfs. The basis of this thread saddens me.

[Clayless]

Air Quotes wrote...

Grrr. Again. I do not have trouble beating anything. Enough ammo and patience beats anything in this game. I'm not happy, because the devs took the lazy route with the Dragoon. Ripped the model, didn't add unique sounds or chatter, didn't add unique different tactics and the challenge they bring is FAKE. It's brute force AI from 2000. Dragoons do not work with the rest of Cerberus. They just run and melee. You kill em. 3 more spawn, overtake everyone again and just run and melee. PERIOD. 

Just the fact that they ignore cloak completely shows that they are hacks. 

So apart from some seeming glitches (sounds and seeing through TC) they're fine? They run and melee like Phantoms, or bring "fake" challenge like Phantoms and running and hiding Nemesis?

Sounds like you're blowing this way out of proportion. The fact that they're so simple to beat really makes your complaining about them incredibly strange. What is it you want Bioware to do? Make them harder?

[jd641]

Air Quotes wrote...

jd641 wrote...

mar007 wrote...

It doesn't seem fair

Fair? It's supposed to be a challenge, isn't it? That's why people left, because there was no challege for some, it got boring. What ever happened to gamers who strived to overcome obstacles and improve their tactics/skills instead of asking for nerfs. The basis of this thread saddens me.

Another dude that confuses lazy design and cheap tactics with challenge. 

It sounds more like a lazy gamer tbh.

[Ashen One]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Grrr. Again. I do not have trouble beating anything. Enough ammo and patience beats anything in this game. I'm not happy, because the devs took the lazy route with the Dragoon. Ripped the model, didn't add unique sounds or chatter, didn't add unique different tactics and the challenge they bring is FAKE. It's brute force AI from 2000. Dragoons do not work with the rest of Cerberus. They just run and melee. You kill em. 3 more spawn, overtake everyone again and just run and melee. PERIOD. 

Just the fact that they ignore cloak completely shows that they are hacks. 

So apart from some seeming glitches (sounds and seeing through TC) they're fine? They run and melee like Phantoms, or bring "fake" challenge like Phantoms and running and hiding Nemesis?

Sounds like you're blowing this way out of proportion. The fact that they're so simple to beat really makes your complaining about them incredibly strange. What is it you want Bioware to do? Make them harder?

Probably just to make them behave like the rest of Cerberus instead of a Reaper unit?

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:33 .

[Clayless]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Grrr. Again. I do not have trouble beating anything. Enough ammo and patience beats anything in this game. I'm not happy, because the devs took the lazy route with the Dragoon. Ripped the model, didn't add unique sounds or chatter, didn't add unique different tactics and the challenge they bring is FAKE. It's brute force AI from 2000. Dragoons do not work with the rest of Cerberus. They just run and melee. You kill em. 3 more spawn, overtake everyone again and just run and melee. PERIOD. 

Just the fact that they ignore cloak completely shows that they are hacks. 

So apart from some seeming glitches (sounds and seeing through TC) they're fine? They run and melee like Phantoms, or bring "fake" challenge like Phantoms and running and hiding Nemesis?

Sounds like you're blowing this way out of proportion. The fact that they're so simple to beat really makes your complaining about them incredibly strange. What is it you want Bioware to do? Make them harder?

Probably just to make them behave like the rest of Cerberus instead of a Reaper unit?

Make them harder in other words. A stunlocking character that moves in packs and behaves like the rest of Cerberus (flanking, hiding and baiting) will make them much harder. All other stunlocking troops behave like Dragoons, making it so you can get surprise stunlock flanked by ememies that will also retreat and stick close to other enemies will make them much harder than they are now.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:39 .

[Ashen One]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Grrr. Again. I do not have trouble beating anything. Enough ammo and patience beats anything in this game. I'm not happy, because the devs took the lazy route with the Dragoon. Ripped the model, didn't add unique sounds or chatter, didn't add unique different tactics and the challenge they bring is FAKE. It's brute force AI from 2000. Dragoons do not work with the rest of Cerberus. They just run and melee. You kill em. 3 more spawn, overtake everyone again and just run and melee. PERIOD. 

Just the fact that they ignore cloak completely shows that they are hacks. 

So apart from some seeming glitches (sounds and seeing through TC) they're fine? They run and melee like Phantoms, or bring "fake" challenge like Phantoms and running and hiding Nemesis?

Sounds like you're blowing this way out of proportion. The fact that they're so simple to beat really makes your complaining about them incredibly strange. What is it you want Bioware to do? Make them harder?

Probably just to make them behave like the rest of Cerberus instead of a Reaper unit?

Make them harder in other words. A stunlocking character that moves in packs and behaves like the rest of Cerberus (flanking, hiding and baiting) will make them much harder. All other stunlocking troops behave like Dragoons. making it so you can get surprise stunlock flanked by ememies that will also retreat will make them much harder than they are now.

You don't have to convince me, I made my stance on how easy they are to kill pretty clear a lot earlier in this thread. I'm largely in agreement with the OP about the Dragoon's AI being overly simplistic, and I would have liked to see a more complex AI than just "lolololololololsmashmeleeelololololsmash".

But truth be told, I'm having too much fun in being able to find maps other than white/glacier with random enemy factions for once to care. If giving Cerberus a unit that doesn't really bring anything new to the table that wasn't already covered by husks, brutes, hunters, ect... along with modifications to Glacier/White is the price to pay to break up the monotony of every PUG being on one of those maps then so be it. It doesn't make the game any harder than it was before for me, just more interesting now that I can actually find U/U/G games instead of FBWGG or FBCGG

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:45 .

[WarmechaM2]

I don't mind them, they're a nice addition who do there job well.
Not much trouble at distance, in close range its a bit hopeless yeah but then why are they getting that close? Unless they sneak up behind you in which case learn from your mistakes and check every possible location where they could come from.

[el_emeff]

Adjust, change tactics and move to a new position. If you can't do that, then well... you suck. They are made to put you out of the comfort of cover and I welcome the challenge.

[Clayless]

So just harder.

One thing Cerberus doesn't need is another buff. Phantoms and the new Atlas are already challenging enough, we don't need to introduce retreating Dragoons that will also start flanking you and baiting you into traps.

[SNascimento]

I like them. It feels like you are playing agaisnt another human.

[Arcadian_Sentinel]

Who designed the dragoon?
A F#$%ing ****@#%& thats who.

Modifié par Arcadian_Sentinel, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:50 .

[vkt62]

I don't have a problem with them if I take them down before they get near me but once they do which depends on the character and weapon, oh boy all hell breaks lose. They are very quick and you can't use stasis on they also. Every enemy has some form of weakness except the bosses. These guys have none. This makes it annoying along with the points made the the OP

Modifié par vkt62, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:56 .

[hiker7gax]

when the best way to kill a dragoon is to just keep hitting with the paladins shield you know bioware screwed up.