35177 réponses à ce sujet

[ejoslin]

Jaulen wrote...

Okay good to know.
But thankfully that WTH moment after the tent scene made me actually go to bed last night. otherwise I probably would have stayed up all night finishing as much of the game as I could since today is a no DA:O game-playing day.

I'll have to download the diologue tweaks then. Questions (this is my first time playing a PC game) if you install a mod partway through the game, does it mess up the game at all?
I did the tweaks for the Alistair convos and the epilogues. Is the Diologue Tweaks you reference different?

no, it doesn't.  And it is different.  The Alistair conversation tweaks, though, DOES mess up my game.  It misplaces the "juicy gossip" conversation and often screws up the flags.  My characters who never romanced him end up dumped . . . I think people like it because you can change the ending cards to more romantic ones.

Edit: Here's the link.  Enjoy PDA with Zev and Lel!

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 février 2010 - 05:41 .

[Jaulen]

Where is the juicy gossip supposed to trigger?

before tweaks it pretty much triggered soon after getting Leli and Sten.
Now it triggers randomly after getting everyone.

I did the Ali ones just to get him to stop referring to himself as king when he's not or Anora talking about AListair being dead when he's standing right beside her. That really bothered me.


 Thanks for the link! Can't wait for tomorrow after work so I can download the tweaks!
(so you can kiss Leli and Zev now? I never understood why at love they'd be okay with sex but not kissing, and you can kiss Alisatir at care)

Modifié par Jaulen, 14 février 2010 - 05:43 .

[Sabriana]

Linky to Dialogue Tweaks

http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=336

The creator has something to say about other dialogue fixes, perhaps you can find out if yours will clash.

ninja'd by Ejoslin

Modifié par Sabriana, 14 février 2010 - 05:45 .

[ejoslin]

Jaulen wrote...

Where is the juicy gossip supposed to trigger?

before tweaks it pretty much triggered soon after getting Leli and Sten.
Now it triggers randomly after getting everyone.

I did the Ali ones just to get him to stop referring to himself as king when he's not or Anora talking about AListair being dead when he's standing right beside her. That really bothered me.


 Thanks for the link! Can't wait for tomorrow after work so I can download the tweaks!
(so you can kiss Leli and Zev now? I never understood why at love they'd be okay with sex but not kissing, and you can kiss Alisatir at care)

Yeh, you can kiss them anywhere with DT as long as their approval is high enough (which is quite low with Zev).  I like teasing Alistair about being jealous, which means I like the early trigger of that conversation.

[Sabriana]

I like that the companions actually comment on it when my PC kisses him on the road. She has the opportunity to get even more po'd at Wynne.

[Cuddlezarro]

Sabriana wrote...

I like that the companions actually comment on it when my PC kisses him on the road. She has the opportunity to get even more po'd at Wynne.

harsh judgemental tone/ How childish of you to bring Wynn along just so you can have even more reasons to hate a kindley old lady who has every right to be concerned about your relationship with that bloodthirsty selfcentered elven man****!

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I like that the companions actually comment on it when my PC kisses him on the road. She has the opportunity to get even more po'd at Wynne.

harsh judgemental tone/ How childish of you to bring Wynn along just so you can have even more reasons to hate a kindley old lady who has every right to be concerned about your relationship with that bloodthirsty selfcentered elven man****!

It's not fitting behavior for a grey warden to be involved in such an affair.  

Edit: You know, as bad as it sounds in a M/F relationship, that line would sound a lot worse in a M/M relationship.  It's awful.  Especially since at that point it's moved beyond just being physical.

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 février 2010 - 07:12 .

[Nonvita]

Just touching on Zevran approval, wow this playthrough is interesting. I've been taking approval hits with every conversation (even a -10 for admitting that I'm still suspicious of him!), but with just 2 gifts he's still in the positive with plenty of opportunities to get him up to +30-something (such an impossibly high approval, I know!).

I also plan to take him to Brecilian with me (my ever diplomatic HN figures she should have some elven representation when approaching the Dalish), and considering my HN will try to side with the werewolves, it will be handy to have Zev around. =P



Uggggg, those breakups. >.< I tried going through every single option once (how can I be so cruel?!) and they're ALL that bad. Telling him, "But you made an oath," rendered a response that made me feel like the vilest person alive! =(

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

Just touching on Zevran approval, wow this playthrough is interesting. I've been taking approval hits with every conversation (even a -10 for admitting that I'm still suspicious of him!), but with just 2 gifts he's still in the positive with plenty of opportunities to get him up to +30-something (such an impossibly high approval, I know!).
I also plan to take him to Brecilian with me (my ever diplomatic HN figures she should have some elven representation when approaching the Dalish), and considering my HN will try to side with the werewolves, it will be handy to have Zev around. =P

Uggggg, those breakups. >.< I tried going through every single option once (how can I be so cruel?!) and they're ALL that bad. Telling him, "But you made an oath," rendered a response that made me feel like the vilest person alive! =(

"We all make promises.  Spoken and UNspoken."  Wowza.  Yes, I'd say he sees a commitment there, even if he didn't come right out and state it.  Really, you seem to get him to admit his true feelings of the depth of the relationship and where he wants the whole thing to go only by breaking up with him.  "Not unless you wish it," does not portray that he really meant it as a proposal nearly as much as his reaction if you say, "That is too much."  
Well, that is, if you need everything said outright.  Since he generally does not say the pretty words, it's part of the reason he gets criticized by (especially) Alistair fans when they try to romance Zev.   The fact is that he'll marry you if you wish it shows to me how much he really does want for that to happen.  Just because of the way he is, and how he manages to stumble through getting his feelings across, unless you're willing to hear what he is not saying as much as what he is saying, a lot of what he implies can be missed.  

One of these days I'll go through the Zevran break ups again, broken up into small doses because they really are that bad.  The Alistair ones just don't hit me nearly as hard.  And I do believe that Alistair loves the Warden and is hurt by the breakups, but I just don't get the same sense of Alistair's soul being shattered.  But then again, Alistair wasn't fighting falling in love with every part of his being after all, so the break up should not be as devastating to him.

Zevran squee on V-day.  

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

"We all make promises.  Spoken and UNspoken."  Wowza.  Yes, I'd say he sees a commitment there, even if he didn't come right out and state it.  Really, you seem to get him to admit his true feelings of the depth of the relationship and where he wants the whole thing to go only by breaking up with him.  "Not unless you wish it," does not portray that he really meant it as a proposal nearly as much as his reaction if you say, "That is too much."  
Well, that is, if you need everything said outright.  Since he generally does not say the pretty words, it's part of the reason he gets criticized by (especially) Alistair fans when they try to romance Zev.   The fact is that he'll marry you if you wish it shows to me how much he really does want for that to happen.  Just because of the way he is, and how he manages to stumble through getting his feelings across, unless you're willing to hear what he is not saying as much as what he is saying, a lot of what he implies can be missed.  

Oh my god, seriously. He'll always finally say the words you wanted to hear, but only when you break it off with him. It's as if he's slapping you on the face and saying, "If what mattered to you were the words then clearly you didn't feel what I feel." The way he says, "My love," as he walks away if you break it off after he's in love, you realize just how little the words meant all along compared to what's there.

It's so easy when the other person gets angry- you get angry too and everyone just feels defensive and cut off. Zevran's the only character who never says anything rude or spiteful when you hurt him, he just tells you that he loves you and goes. And that hurts so much more.

Zevran squee on V-day.  

Yay! I hate Valentine's Day (why should I be told when to tell my boyfriend I love him, and why should I have to buy unecessary presents to do it???), but any excuse for more Zevran squee is great!

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

By the way, is there a reason given anywhere why he leaves his love-interest to fight alone, but stays for the friend at the same approval rate? I've been trying to figure it out, but because he never did that to my PC, I haven't much of a clue.

I just saw this.  I have a theory.  First of all, IF he leaves, it's the only time in the game you can question him about his relationship with Taliesen -- you don't have to, but you can (big approval hit if you do, by the way, but very illuminating).  I think, though, it's because he's torn.  He cares about the warden, but it's not serious, though it could become so.  He still cares about Taliesen as well.  This is a conflict between an old and a new lover, and old and new life as well, and unless you make it very clear he has no need for his old life, that you have replaced it, he remains conflicted.  If it's friendzone, it's not going to be the same conflict because it's about him starting a new life, not about his relationship with the warden, if that makes sense.

What I think is most telling is that you cannot question him about his relationship with Taliesen unless this happens.  If you're at adore, it's behind him, he is all about the Warden, so it's irrelevant.  If you're just friends, it's really not relevant either.  

He is very upset over Taliesen's death if it happens this way.  Very hurt, very upset.  He doesn't blame the warden, he blames Taliesen, and wishes the whole thing hadn't happened.  It's actually quite heartbreaking.

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 février 2010 - 09:25 .

[Addai]

I would guess that it's similar to how he cannot handle his Fade dream. Being in love is paralyzing for him. Just easier to run away, especially since he already knows the outcome of the fight.

[ejoslin]

But he fights at 71+ adore, and if you say he no longer needs the crows. He's not in love at that point, or even at adore. Then again, then the protectiveness hasn't set in I suppose. I still think he's conflicted.

[jenovan]

I think the conflicted explanation makes a lot of sense... as ejoslin said, it's quite possibly this decision between a new and an old lover (or potential lover), an old way of life and a new way of life... Even if you don't buy that Taliesen and Zevran were lovers of some sort or other, the fact that Zevran is highly interested in the PC might frighten him, as it did with Rinna. He might not be willing to admit, even to himself, that he cares enough to fight an old friend for the PC. Whereas if he's only friends with the PC, it's more about this new life and new opportunity that he's been given... and he's willing to fight for that. Maybe in that case, he's actually fighting for himself moreso than the PC... Hmm...



My mage has Zev at 69 on whatever the romantic track is (Care?), I think I'm going to try my best to ignore him (sigh...) so that I can see this dynamic and ask about Taliesen

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

But he fights at 71+ adore, and if you say he no longer needs the crows. He's not in love at that point, or even at adore. Then again, then the protectiveness hasn't set in I suppose. I still think he's conflicted.

Well, there would be a tipping point where it would be clear to him what he needs to do.  Also, the comment about not needing the Crows could give him that extra bit of clarity he needs at the crisis moment.  Man, what a terrible thing for him to have to do... it must seem so surreal to him to be fighting Taliesin and the Crows when that is all he knew his whole life.  And afterwards, suddenly he is completely free, but also as vulnerable as a newborn.  All the more heartbreaking to think about that breakup scenario jenovan tried...  Egads!!

On my elf mage, I realized she had forgotten to pick up Asturian's Might running through Soldier's Peak so I had to backtrack a little.  That meant she got to do the "do you stare at everyone" convo again.  A little V-day present for my PC. 

[jenovan]

My only defense for being so cruel to poor Zevran is research for happier purposes   When you're writing a fic or something, it can help to know how a character would react to things, even if you never intend to do those things.  It just fills out a lot about the character :3  (And it is amazing how you only get his flat-out, most obvious signs of affection in negative circumstances... yikes!)

...But the voice acting and animation makes doing this stuff so, so painful.

Hee, I did get to see the "do you stare at everyone" convo last night after one of the many (ouch..) breakup tests.  His comment about "you in front, of course" cracked me up.

[ejoslin]

One thing I've noticed about Zevran, when he's making you choose between him and whoever, he's sounds . . . nicer . . . when you haven't slept with him. Yet you get such high approval with the tent visits. Is he really being nicer, or is he trying harder to make it seem casual to himself?

I like the way he says, "Well, then there is only one path before us," and he seems surprised but very happy if you pick him.

Edit: I guess this one is silly more than anything.  Either way, he sounds like he thinks the warden would be happier with someone else.  Gah, it's just at that point I can't  believe it's casual for him, so I just wonder why he's nicer about it if there hasn't been the tent involved.  Because he is pretty harsh otherwise ("Our flirtation has been fun, but if what you have with Alistair is real, then maybe we should desist" as opposed to, "You and I have had our fun . . .").  But it's hard to say.  I certainly have not been able to figure out men in all my years, much less fictional men who are trying really hard to keep something that is turning serious, casual.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 février 2010 - 03:17 .

[Cuddlezarro]

is it me or does this line come off sounding MUCH dirtier if your romancing him as a guy?

[ejoslin]

Hahahahaha, you bad boy! Given where you get THAT comment, no, I think it sounds just as dirty either way!

ROFL, I bet I'm one of the few women in this thread (if not the only one) who knows where THAT is said!

Edit: that line is the highlight of that encounter, though.  

Ok, I'm probably being a bit goofy.  I have a cold and have medicated myself.  But I laughed so hard when I saw that here.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 février 2010 - 03:25 .

[Herr Uhl]

Yes, yes it does sound dirtier.

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

Hahahahaha, you bad boy! Given where you get THAT comment, no, I think it sounds just as dirty either way!

ROFL, I bet I'm one of the few women in this thread (if not the only one) who knows where THAT is said!

except if your playing as a woman your "taint" wont be "rubbing" off on him in the same way that a Guys "taint" would be if you get my drift :giggles:

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 15 février 2010 - 03:25 .

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hahahahaha, you bad boy! Given where you get THAT comment, no, I think it sounds just as dirty either way!

ROFL, I bet I'm one of the few women in this thread (if not the only one) who knows where THAT is said!

except if your playing as a woman your "taint" wont be "rubbing" off on him in the same way that a Guys "taint" would be if you get my drift :giggles:

Heh, you may just have a point there.  *grin*  It's still one of the funniest lines in the game, no matter what.

[Cuddlezarro]

indeed it is

that entire scene is OoC for my guys though since they just tend to be flat out gay and not attracted to women to the point where they convince Alistair to lose his virginity to Morrigan to save their lives because they sure as hell wont

such a nice friend I am arnt I even though I find it worth it just to hear his reaction "your wildest dreams come true have sex with Morrigan!"

though In barens case hes gonna refuse Morrigan not because he has a problem with sleeping with women but because I want to see how Loghain reacts to that

EDIT: Just had Loghain do the Dark Ritual... he looks absolutly terrified during that entire cutscene made me laugh it did

also got the Dark City speech for leaving Zevran at the gates since I didnt exactly use him this playthrough it was sweet

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 15 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[Sabriana]

Mean! That's all I have to say. How mean you are. Well, as a woman, I can definitely say that I haven't seen that line before, ever. Is it male PC only?



I do think that you are all right in the way of thinking why he leaves the Warden at that point and lets her duke it out with Taliesien alone. Friend or lover notwithstanding, Taliesin is a close tie to his past, and the Warden evokes feelings in him that are clearly frightening.

Perhaps he also remembers how Taliesin talked him into killing Rinna. Perhaps it's also that he knows he will loose his last tie to what used to be his entire life, and the feelings for the Warden are very disturbing and scary for him. She is doing what Rinna did to him, only on a much larger scale.

[ejoslin]

Heh, no, I've seen that as a female PC. It's his final line after the 4-way, after Isabela says he's become more depraved.



And Zevran does not blame Taliesen for Rinna. At least, he really doesn't seem to in the conversation after that incident. He is genuinely mourning Taliesen though. And I think it's pretty obvious that the warden believes Zevran and Taliesen were lovers as when Zevran says they were good friends, one of your dialog choices are, "A good friend, was he?"If you take that question the way I take it, Zevran pretty much confirms they were lovers.