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[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...

For once, my mind was in the proper place! *sigh* Why am I thinking of boobs?

I have asked myself that very question many times. Usually during exams or when writing papers.

Nonvita wrote...

In which case, by all means date someone with a bigger cup than yourself. 

[Expletive] and here I got my hopes up.

Edit: Adds picture of man

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 02 mai 2010 - 01:54 .

[ejoslin]

Elps, I haven't put that change in yet as it's not one I would use so I'm making it for other people so I want to get the opinions of people who would use it. Would you be interested in my current changes, or would you like anything different?

[Nonvita]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

In which case, by all means date someone with a bigger cup than yourself. 

[Expletive] and here I got my hopes up.

Hopes up about what? Did I say something wrong? *is confused*

Elps wrote...

Got a question for you all, since I can't
find anything on the forums that will help...

I am doing a Dwarf
FN playthrough and have hit an issue. The kisses in the cutscene just
before sexytime are bugged out & I can't work out what could be
causing this. The faces merge so it looks like a scene from Alien with a
creature coming out my PC's face. Any idea why this might be
happening?

Apparently the dwarf kisses are sometimes bugged and no one knows why. Ejoslin, you fixed the dwarf kiss though, right? Can't keep up with who did what...

Modifié par Nonvita, 02 mai 2010 - 01:59 .

[sami jo]

ejoslin wrote...

OK, I have a serious Zevran question here, especially for people who hate to reject the earring the first time. What is it that you hate? If there were a kinder, gentler way to reject the earring the first time, would you do so? How would you word the earring rejection?

I have snagged a copy of DT-Compatible ZevRing and I am currently offering to use and abuse it and make a zevran_main.dlg available with that change and more!

Actually, for my own use, I did these changes if anyone is interested (I am completely not releasing this anywhere, btw):
He now gives his "romance active" lines in Arl Eamon's estate (just dont' attempt to give him his quest gifts there)
ALL first time sexytime lines lead to a kiss, not just a couple of them.
I fixed that DT .93 bug where his dialog would cut off if you invite him to the tent first, then change your mind, when you would try to invite him after that. If you've been hit by that bug, you know what I'm talking about.
I also did a change in the dialog where he thanks you for freeing him from the crows. I made the "I think of you as more than a friend" as a romance starter ONLY, but then added, "I consider you a friend, as well, and more," for wardens who are in love with him, and that leads to him saying, after saying that he feels the same, the friendship dialog there.

Let me know if you're interested, and if you want a kinder, gentler earring rejection put in.

I would love it, and yes, a gentler rejection would be nice. I hate changing the game that way, but I have to do backbends in my head to justify turning it down most of the time.  Even if it was a change to something like, "I want it to mean something." it would be better.

[Charsen]

if it's a change to only Zevring, then i can do that... i do still take requests..

[Willowhugger]

So Zevran is popular?



I was under the impression he wasn't, but 1000+ pages obviously proves me wrong.

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

In which case, by all means date someone with a bigger cup than yourself. 

[Expletive] and here I got my hopes up.

Hopes up about what? Did I say something wrong? *is confused*

Elps wrote...

Got a question for you all, since I can't
find anything on the forums that will help...

I am doing a Dwarf
FN playthrough and have hit an issue. The kisses in the cutscene just
before sexytime are bugged out & I can't work out what could be
causing this. The faces merge so it looks like a scene from Alien with a
creature coming out my PC's face. Any idea why this might be
happening?

Apparently the dwarf kisses are sometimes bugged and no one knows why. Ejoslin, you fixed the dwarf kiss though, right? Can't keep up with who did what...

I fixed two kisses, and one I did a bad job.  The two I fixed...  

Zevran's default kiss (the one you get any time with DT and the one you get as a substitute for sexy time in the vanilla game).  All I did was raise him up to the proper height.  This one turned out well.

Alistair's broken cutscene dwarf kiss (tmp7704 did the elf and human one in ZDF).  This one didn't turn out as well.  Ali is SO misplaced there (far too low and to the side as well), and the cutscene editor does not show where he really is, and after seeing the Alistair proposition scene about 300 times one morning, I said, screw it, it's good ENOUGH.  He really isn't quite at the right height, though, and there's some clipping.

Neither should cause a face merge.

[Sarah1281]

Willowhugger wrote...

So Zevran is popular?

I was under the impression he wasn't, but 1000+ pages obviously proves me wrong.

Well, popular and polarizing.

[ejoslin]

Charsen wrote...

if it's a change to only Zevring, then i can do that... i do still take requests..

Those changes I listed are only to ZevRing.  I warned you I was going to use and abuse it!     

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mai 2010 - 02:13 .

[ejoslin]

Elps wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Elps, I haven't put that change in yet as it's not one I would use so I'm making it for other people so I want to get the opinions of people who would use it. Would you be interested in my current changes, or would you like anything different?

I've lost track of what changes are happening with your fixes and Charsen's kisses ejoslin.  This thread moves all over the place and soooo quickly that I am now ridiculously lost.

Oh, the abusing I've been doing to ZevRing.  

my sexy self (ejoslin, of course) wrote...
Actually, for my own use, I did these changes if anyone is interested (I am completely not releasing this anywhere, btw):
He now gives his "romance active" lines in Arl Eamon's estate (just dont' attempt to give him his quest gifts there)
ALL first time sexytime lines lead to a kiss, not just a couple of them.
I fixed that DT .93 bug where his dialog would cut off if you invite him to the tent first, then change your mind, when you would try to invite him after that. If you've been hit by that bug, you know what I'm talking about.
I also did a change in the dialog where he thanks you for freeing him from the crows. I made the "I think of you as more than a friend" as a romance starter ONLY, but then added, "I consider you a friend, as well, and more," for wardens who are in love with him, and that leads to him saying, after saying that he feels the same, the friendship dialog there.

I have this done already, again, for my own use.  You NEED the rest of ZevRing in order for this mod to work properly.  This is only the zevran_main.dlg.

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mai 2010 - 02:12 .

[Mscheveous]

sami jo wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

OK, I have a serious Zevran question here, especially for people who hate to reject the earring the first time. What is it that you hate? If there were a kinder, gentler way to reject the earring the first time, would you do so? How would you word the earring rejection?

I have snagged a copy of DT-Compatible ZevRing and I am currently offering to use and abuse it and make a zevran_main.dlg available with that change and more!

Actually, for my own use, I did these changes if anyone is interested (I am completely not releasing this anywhere, btw):
He now gives his "romance active" lines in Arl Eamon's estate (just dont' attempt to give him his quest gifts there)
ALL first time sexytime lines lead to a kiss, not just a couple of them.
I fixed that DT .93 bug where his dialog would cut off if you invite him to the tent first, then change your mind, when you would try to invite him after that. If you've been hit by that bug, you know what I'm talking about.
I also did a change in the dialog where he thanks you for freeing him from the crows. I made the "I think of you as more than a friend" as a romance starter ONLY, but then added, "I consider you a friend, as well, and more," for wardens who are in love with him, and that leads to him saying, after saying that he feels the same, the friendship dialog there.

Let me know if you're interested, and if you want a kinder, gentler earring rejection put in.

I would love it, and yes, a gentler rejection would be nice. I hate changing the game that way, but I have to do backbends in my head to justify turning it down most of the time.  Even if it was a change to something like, "I want it to mean something." it would be better.

Agreed..I like the, 'I want it to mean something', or, so it doesnt seem like your trying to push, 'Its not that I dont want it, I'd just like it to mean something.', not sure if that string is to long but something like that would be cool.

[ejoslin]

Willowhugger wrote...

So Zevran is popular?

I was under the impression he wasn't, but 1000+ pages obviously proves me wrong.

Some people like him, some people don't.  He's an incredibly deep character, however.  There's a lot more there than what first appears.

[Nonvita]

Mscheveous wrote...

Agreed..I like the, 'I want it to mean something', or, so it doesnt seem like your trying to push, 'Its not that I dont want it, I'd just like it to mean something.', not sure if that string is to long but something like that would be cool.

Yes, agreed. I also think it needs to have the Warden say, "I love you," explicitly, as per many of the discussions on the topic we've had around here.


And ah, understood about your dwarf kiss changes, ej. I honestly have no clue on any of the kisses, since I haven't played the game in forever. Still, I can squee over stuff I've never seen, right? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Nonvita, 02 mai 2010 - 02:19 .

[ejoslin]

Ok, I put up a copy of zevran_main.dlg with the changes listed here. This HAS to be used with ZevRing DT_Compatible. If you're using the manual version, you need this zevran_main.dlg to overwrite the one in the ZevRing directory (and make sure you don't have a zevran_main.dlg in your DT directory if using the manual version of that. If you're using the override version, just put this file in your override folder. There is no change to the earring dialog in this version.

He now gives his "romance active" lines in Arl Eamon's estate (just dont' attempt to give him his quest gifts there)
ALL first time sexytime lines lead to a kiss, not just a couple of them.
I fixed that DT .93 bug where his dialog would cut off if you invite him to the tent first, then change your mind, when you would try to invite him after that. If you've been hit by that bug, you know what I'm talking about.
I also did a change in the dialog where he thanks you for freeing him from the crows. I made the "I think of you as more than a friend" as a romance starter ONLY, but then added, "I consider you a friend, as well, and more," for wardens who are in love with him, and that leads to him saying, after saying that he feels the same, the friendship dialog there.

http://rapidshare.co...n_main.rar.html

Let me know if the download quits working. And *sigh* still stuck on the wording of the rejection. Hmmmm, you all are coming up with better suggestions than I could, but there needs to be agreement!

EDIT: OOOOH, forgot.  I also put a change up when he forces you to choose between him and Leliana.  He now gives the non-sex version to a warden "Our flirtation has been fun."  Ugh, I should take that out or fix the approval on it.  But the whole, "I know how it is between men and their women," HAD to go.  I should probably make it gender dependent, but that becomes work.  If anyone wants that line taken out and to go back to standard, let me know!

Second edit: One other thing to keep in mind about the earring conversation.  The rejection will STILL end with Zevran saying, "You are a most frustrating..." so the wording can't be too sweet or else he'll sound like a total dick.

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mai 2010 - 02:31 .

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

Mscheveous wrote...

Agreed..I like the, 'I want it to mean something', or, so it doesnt seem like your trying to push, 'Its not that I dont want it, I'd just like it to mean something.', not sure if that string is to long but something like that would be cool.

Yes, agreed. I also think it needs to have the Warden say, "I love you," explicitly, as per many of the discussions on the topic we've had around here.


And ah, understood about your dwarf kiss changes, ej. I honestly have no clue on any of the kisses, since I haven't played the game in forever. Still, I can squee over stuff I've never seen, right? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I haven't played in a LONG time either, actually.  Ok, here is my fixed dwarf kiss. It's no Charsen kiss by any stretch, but it's an improvement.

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

Second edit: One other thing to keep in mind about the earring conversation.  The rejection will STILL end with Zevran saying, "You are a most frustrating..." so the wording can't be too sweet or else he'll sound like a total dick.

Right, but if you said, "I love you, Zevran, and I can't accept this unless it means something," (but phrased better) then it wouldn't sound unnatural for him to give his snippy response. Also, it would play into things nicely later when he finally admits his feelings, since you would see why he reacts so harshly to you saying you love him.


And look, dwarf kisses! I can't tell what you changed exactly, but it is lovely!

[Mscheveous]

Elps wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...

So Zevran is popular?

I was under the impression he wasn't, but 1000+ pages obviously proves me wrong.

Zevran is one of the most complex characters in the game and has been brilliantly written. People seem to either hate him right off (which is understandable because it takes time to get to know him) or get intrigued and wait to see what happens. I'd recommend keeping away from spoilers while you are new to the game to avoid them influencing your gameplay. But if you don't mind spoilers and want to know more about what makes Zev tick then you can't go past ejoslin's Zevran Romance FAQ.

Agreed fully here. Zevrans is very a complex character. But getting to know him..expecially in a romance you get to know him on a whole other level, I think its then you see the real Zevran. I mean even just reading taking the time to ask him all the questions possable from the first time you meet him on should clue you in on certain aspects of why Zevran is Zevran, the romancing just brings a whole bunch more out.
Personally I think he would be one of the most trusting of all companions IMO, depending on your standing with him of course and he certainly is the only fully truthful one from the start I believe, with the exception of like Sten..but you cant romance him. As stated above if you dont mind spoilers ejoslins FAQ is an awesome reader.

I just cant leave camp without my Zev, it pains me to see him standing there. I tried a playthrough so my Warden would be Queen and it just killed me, I had to go straight to each treaty place, do no side quests and get it over with as quickly as possable, and just couldnt take him with me - my heart melts and I always end up with him otherwise...teehee..thats also why I dont play Awakenings...

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Second edit: One other thing to keep in mind about the earring conversation.  The rejection will STILL end with Zevran saying, "You are a most frustrating..." so the wording can't be too sweet or else he'll sound like a total dick.

Right, but if you said, "I love you, Zevran, and I can't accept this unless it means something," (but phrased better) then it wouldn't sound unnatural for him to give his snippy response. Also, it would play into things nicely later when he finally admits his feelings, since you would see why he reacts so harshly to you saying you love him.


And look, dwarf kisses! I can't tell what you changed exactly, but it is lovely!

All that I changed was the dwarf no longer kisses his nose.  You can't really see with the long hair, but you can tell that they're looking into each other's eyes now.

I just wonder if "I love you," there would take away something from his confession where he's telling you all he needs to know is if you feel the same for him.  Maybe instead, something like, "I need for this to mean something."  Ugh, I don't know!

[Mscheveous]

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, I put up a copy of zevran_main.dlg with the changes listed here. This HAS to be used with ZevRing DT_Compatible. If you're using the manual version, you need this zevran_main.dlg to overwrite the one in the ZevRing directory (and make sure you don't have a zevran_main.dlg in your DT directory if using the manual version of that. If you're using the override version, just put this file in your override folder. There is no change to the earring dialog in this version.

He now gives his "romance active" lines in Arl Eamon's estate (just dont' attempt to give him his quest gifts there)
ALL first time sexytime lines lead to a kiss, not just a couple of them.
I fixed that DT .93 bug where his dialog would cut off if you invite him to the tent first, then change your mind, when you would try to invite him after that. If you've been hit by that bug, you know what I'm talking about.
I also did a change in the dialog where he thanks you for freeing him from the crows. I made the "I think of you as more than a friend" as a romance starter ONLY, but then added, "I consider you a friend, as well, and more," for wardens who are in love with him, and that leads to him saying, after saying that he feels the same, the friendship dialog there.

http://rapidshare.co...n_main.rar.html

Let me know if the download quits working. And *sigh* still stuck on the wording of the rejection. Hmmmm, you all are coming up with better suggestions than I could, but there needs to be agreement!

EDIT: OOOOH, forgot.  I also put a change up when he forces you to choose between him and Leliana.  He now gives the non-sex version to a warden "Our flirtation has been fun."  Ugh, I should take that out or fix the approval on it.  But the whole, "I know how it is between men and their women," HAD to go.  I should probably make it gender dependent, but that becomes work.  If anyone wants that line taken out and to go back to standard, let me know!

Second edit: One other thing to keep in mind about the earring conversation.  The rejection will STILL end with Zevran saying, "You are a most frustrating..." so the wording can't be too sweet or else he'll sound like a total dick.

Awesome, thank you so much ejoslin! BTW, The download worked just fine for me.

Gotta have me my Zev fixes!

[Mscheveous]

ejoslin wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Second edit: One other thing to keep in mind about the earring conversation.  The rejection will STILL end with Zevran saying, "You are a most frustrating..." so the wording can't be too sweet or else he'll sound like a total dick.

Right, but if you said, "I love you, Zevran, and I can't accept this unless it means something," (but phrased better) then it wouldn't sound unnatural for him to give his snippy response. Also, it would play into things nicely later when he finally admits his feelings, since you would see why he reacts so harshly to you saying you love him.


And look, dwarf kisses! I can't tell what you changed exactly, but it is lovely!

All that I changed was the dwarf no longer kisses his nose.  You can't really see with the long hair, but you can tell that they're looking into each other's eyes now.

I just wonder if "I love you," there would take away something from his confession where he's telling you all he needs to know is if you feel the same for him.  Maybe instead, something like, "I need for this to mean something."  Ugh, I don't know!

I think that would work just fine, 'I need for this to mean something'. It's both saying, I love you Zev and telling him you really want him to admit he feels the same...that way when he gives it the second time, thats his way of saying, 'it really means something'? Perhaps..

'I need this to mean something'
'I would love for this to really mean something'
'I would like to know it really means something to you'

ECT..

Modifié par Mscheveous, 02 mai 2010 - 03:08 .

[ejoslin]

Mscheveous wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, I put up a copy of zevran_main.dlg with the changes listed here. This HAS to be used with ZevRing DT_Compatible. If you're using the manual version, you need this zevran_main.dlg to overwrite the one in the ZevRing directory (and make sure you don't have a zevran_main.dlg in your DT directory if using the manual version of that. If you're using the override version, just put this file in your override folder. There is no change to the earring dialog in this version.

He now gives his "romance active" lines in Arl Eamon's estate (just dont' attempt to give him his quest gifts there)
ALL first time sexytime lines lead to a kiss, not just a couple of them.
I fixed that DT .93 bug where his dialog would cut off if you invite him to the tent first, then change your mind, when you would try to invite him after that. If you've been hit by that bug, you know what I'm talking about.
I also did a change in the dialog where he thanks you for freeing him from the crows. I made the "I think of you as more than a friend" as a romance starter ONLY, but then added, "I consider you a friend, as well, and more," for wardens who are in love with him, and that leads to him saying, after saying that he feels the same, the friendship dialog there.

http://rapidshare.co...n_main.rar.html

Let me know if the download quits working. And *sigh* still stuck on the wording of the rejection. Hmmmm, you all are coming up with better suggestions than I could, but there needs to be agreement!

EDIT: OOOOH, forgot.  I also put a change up when he forces you to choose between him and Leliana.  He now gives the non-sex version to a warden "Our flirtation has been fun."  Ugh, I should take that out or fix the approval on it.  But the whole, "I know how it is between men and their women," HAD to go.  I should probably make it gender dependent, but that becomes work.  If anyone wants that line taken out and to go back to standard, let me know!

Second edit: One other thing to keep in mind about the earring conversation.  The rejection will STILL end with Zevran saying, "You are a most frustrating..." so the wording can't be too sweet or else he'll sound like a total dick.

Awesome, thank you so much ejoslin! BTW, The download worked just fine for me.

Gotta have me my Zev fixes!

Gah, thank Charsen.  This is his work.  Unless I introduced bugs.  Then it's all my fault!  *grin*  Really, these are just minor lore changes, and I hope it doesn't change the game too much.

Still haven't changed the earring line, though   

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

I just wonder if "I love you," there would take away something from his confession where he's telling you all he needs to know is if you feel the same for him.  Maybe instead, something like, "I need for this to mean something."  Ugh, I don't know!

But isn't that response already basically there? It seemed most of the people who disliked turning down the ring did so because there's no opportunity to say you love him, thus making the whole exchange feel too much like the Warden pressuring Zev for no reason.

Hmm, I wonder about something like, "I care about you too much to accept this unless it means something." That way you establish that you have feelings for him without spoiling the later confession? Once again the wording needs to be better, but it would be nice if some of the people who do dislike the earring rejection could comment.