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[Mscheveous]

Tellervo wrote...

Mscheveous wrote...

Are you guys making those yummy Team Zevran signatures yourself, or has someone already generated some to use?

They're over here.

Thank you kind ser! You are ridiculously awesome!

[Sresla]

Mscheveous wrote...

Thank you kind ser! You are ridiculously awesome!

He is, and more besides.

[Mscheveous]

This is a test. For the next 30 seconds, this post will conduct a test of the Emergency 'Did I do it right' Broadcast System.







If this had been an actual emergency, you would have been instructed to which posting in your local forums had the news and official information..

[Tellervo]

Sresla wrote...

Mscheveous wrote...

Thank you kind ser! You are ridiculously awesome!

He is, and more besides.

I don't know what I did to earn it, but I'll happily accept random praise.  Not that my ego needs the help....

For relevancy: this has always been one of my favorite Zevran images.  Then, I like all of Aimo's Anonymous Warden pieces

[Danijou]

Wheel of Morality turn, turn, turn - tell us the lesson that we should learn.



Today's lesson is, Don't go back to your deviantart after three years from posting ANYTHING. Especially if those things are things that you had put far out of mind and memory because they fell off the face of the earth when your last three computers died, because it's been that long. Yes, today's lesson is that you cannot change your icon nor delete your files NEARLY quick enough to salvage any manner of dignity.

[Mscheveous]

Gorgeous artwork, I covet skills like that.



I'd have a much better chance at photomanips...but, I would so love to be able to draw like that!

[Mscheveous]

Danijou wrote...

Wheel of Morality turn, turn, turn - tell us the lesson that we should learn.

Today's lesson is, Don't go back to your deviantart after three years from posting ANYTHING. Especially if those things are things that you had put far out of mind and memory because they fell off the face of the earth when your last three computers died, because it's been that long. Yes, today's lesson is that you cannot change your icon nor delete your files NEARLY quick enough to salvage any manner of dignity.

[Sannox]

I'm still catching up, so apologies if I've missed anything, but about the earring dialogue ....

I personally don't think it would work to say that you love him on the first offer (unless you can change his reaction). Apart from his reaction being off, in the later conversation you don't have a dialogue choice that would go with that (having already told him that you love him). Saying that you're no wiser than him wouldn't work at all.

The first 'I love you' at the gates works well, I think. It's full circle for him - it's always in the back of my mind that the last time he heard 'I love you' it was highly traumatic (just before Rinna died). I thought a lot about why the game doesn't allow you to say it (or even say much about how you feel about him earlier). I think maybe it's necessary. Him saying 'I know that' is very moving when you think about how he responded last time.

(If you had been banging on since the Landsmeet about loving him, then you might be expecting an 'I love you' back by that point! But if it's the first time you've said it, it works very well.)

I think you're forced into a story where both of you have difficulty talking about your feelings for each other. But I think it works well as a story.

ETA: And it seems unfair (to him - yes, I know he's not a real person. Kind of.) to turn his response to you rejecting his gift into a response to you declaring what you feel.   He gives that response when he doesn't know what you feel, because you haven't told him.  I don't think you can add dialogue about how you feel there without changing his reaction unfairly.   It would be nice to have the dialogue in there, but the followup would have to change (he would have to react differently, and the conversation after the tent refusal would have to change and so on). 

Modifié par Sannox, 02 mai 2010 - 07:46 .

[Mscheveous]

I agree, which is what makes Zevran so complex, and I love it. Although I would love to hear an 'I love you' in there from him, I understand from his storyline why he doesnt say it.

Can always choke it out of him, but I think he may like that to much.

Modifié par Mscheveous, 02 mai 2010 - 07:44 .

[Tellervo]

I always felt like saying "I love you" or anything like it before that is pushing too hard. Letting Zevran take all the first steps feels more right, to me. That way you don't scare him off. So the Warden having few opportunities to offer commitment before Zevran was ready for it seemed very natural.

[Sannox]

Yes, he seems to need to go through his personal growth (sorry, couldn't think of a better term) without pushing from the warden. You don't have to do it for him. He does it himself, if you just wait.

[Sannox]

ejoslin wrote...

OK, I have a serious Zevran question here, especially for people who hate to reject the earring the first time. What is it that you hate? If there were a kinder, gentler way to reject the earring the first time, would you do so? How would you word the earring rejection?

I'm still catching up, and still answering the same question!

On the playthrough where I rejected the earring I did it because everything I'd come across seemed to present that as the best option.   Even the ZevRing mod gives a 'better' earring if you reject it .  (Although I'd still rather make him happy than get a better earring).  

But now I don't think there's a need to reject the earring.   If there was a kinder, gentler way - well, it would have to fit with his response, as I said earlier.   But now that I've obsessed thought about it so much, I don't know if I would reject it anyway.  If you accept it, I think his response if lovely - it's kind of an admission of feeling and an explanation at once.  ('I have no better way to say it'). 

Accepting the earring ends up giving you the same dialogue choices (I think, when I crudely tested it) later and higher approval.   So the reason a lot of people refuse the earring (to make him talk about his feelings for you) doesn't work.   He talks about his feelings regardless.  (Not that I'm saying that's a bad choice, because you might still be roleplaying a warden who obviously doesn't know that refusing the earring won't make a difference).   So that leaves the proposal as the main reason people might feel they have to reject it.

Maybe the way to get round that would be to add a dialogue which allows the warden to propose.   Then people could have a proposal without the approval loss (and the sadness of huring Zevran) of rejecting the earring.  That would be a good option for the wardens who can get married and want to get married.  (Then it would be nice to also have some dialogue for those who can't or don't want to - male wardens in particular - that allows them to make a commitment equal to his.   I would love to be able to say I will be with him until one of us dies!).   But .... I realise that might be impossible.  Or maybe not?   It would have to fit with his dialogue. 

Modifié par Sannox, 02 mai 2010 - 08:15 .

[Sannox]

(Still catching up). Masculine v feminine men. I think there's been some research suggesting that women are attracted to more masculine or feminine men at different times in their cycle (IRC they tend to go for more masculine looking men when most fertile, and more feminine at other times). I've also noticed that young girls tend to go for rather more feminine looking guys (Justin Bieber? Zac Efron?), but maybe that's just because they're attracted to guys their age,and guys their age haven't fully developed their masculinity. (Unlike my broad-shouldered, hairy chested, deep-voiced, bearded 14 year old son!).

But in reality, people are stuck with what they're given, aren't they? I could see myself going for a more feminine/androgenous guy, definitely, although it's not really my type. Moobs? Well, I like pecs. And as I've mentioned, I do like different body types, including big guys, so it could happen, theoretically (theoretically, because I have such a major crush on my slim boyfriend, I don't do so much looking as I used to). I challenge any man to have a bigger cup size than me (edit: Why am I posting my cup size?  Could anyone possibly want to know that?  Removed on the grounds of TMI).

I think my boyfriend is masculine, but he does have some more feminine features (high cheekbones, full lips, etc.). I love the combination.

I think Zevran is very masculine. I know lots of people don't, judging from some of the comments and the fan art. I don't know what it is, but he seems more masculine to me than Alistair, for instance. I suppose he has full lips too, and his hair looks soft, but otherwise, I don't see much femininity or androgeny there. And his voice ....

Modifié par Sannox, 02 mai 2010 - 08:46 .

[Tellervo]

Danijou wrote...

Wheel of Morality turn, turn, turn - tell us the lesson that we should learn.

Today's lesson is, Don't go back to your deviantart after three years from posting ANYTHING. Especially if those things are things that you had put far out of mind and memory because they fell off the face of the earth when your last three computers died, because it's been that long. Yes, today's lesson is that you cannot change your icon nor delete your files NEARLY quick enough to salvage any manner of dignity.

Just thought you'd like to know, I'm stalking you.

[Minaleth]

Wow, ejoslin that's really useful bunch of changes. I need o check all my fixes and mods to make everything work.

As for the erring, rejection and second offer ... What other said and supported is improvement, I would go for that. Several hundred pages ago I wrote that just changing the original line from: "I'll only take it if it means something." to "I would gladly take it if it means something" makes a difference. This is less manipulative to me and more ...eh, informative.
Warden saying I love you in that conversation is too much. Like many of you pointed, we can't change his reaction.

Modifié par Minaleth, 02 mai 2010 - 08:40 .

[Sannox]

I think the trouble with even a small dialogue change, is it means that he's reacting to something different when he gets upset and calls you frustrating. It seems to me that it's written so that neither of you can confess your feelings just at that point. It has to wait until the later conversation. Although I found that so frustrating, I've come to terms with it, and I can see why it has to be that way. I think.

[Cuddlezarro]

completely off topic but heres a quick run through of my ME2 playthrough (pretty much zero plot spoilers)



Hello mr Ogre





cow hurt poor sheps feelings





didnt she learn the first time?

[Mscheveous]

I have to check that game out...

[Sannox]

Anyway, I can't try any mods until I fix my computer (I'm on an old one now).   I am clueless, but I think it may be something to do with my graphics card, because last time a computer of mine had similar symptoms (shortly after starting, screen is a mess of different coloured patterns) I opened it up and found a semi-melted graphics card.   However, this card isn't melted and only warm, not hot, and seems to be all connected up OK, so I don't know.  

[Sannox]

My son is playing ME2. I keep meaning to buy ME and play that first. I'm so addicted to DA, though.

[Minaleth]

Sannox wrote...

(Still catching up). Masculine v feminine men. I think there's been some research suggesting that women are attracted to more masculine or feminine men at different times in their cycle (IRC they tend to go for more masculine looking men when most fertile, and more feminine at other times). I've also noticed that young girls tend to go for rather more feminine looking guys (Justin Bieber? Zac Efron?), but maybe that's just because they're attracted to guys their age,and guys their age haven't fully developed their masculinity. (Unlike my broad-shouldered, hairy chested, deep-voiced, bearded 14 year old son!).

But in reality, people are stuck with what they're given, aren't they? I could see myself going for a more feminine/androgenous guy, definitely, although it's not really my type. Moobs? Well, I like pecs. And as I've mentioned, I do like different body types, including big guys, so it could happen, theoretically (theoretically, because I have such a major crush on my slim boyfriend, I don't do so much looking as I used to). I challenge any man to have a bigger cup size than me (edit: Why am I posting my cup size?  Could anyone possibly want to know that?  Removed on the grounds of TMI).

I think my boyfriend is masculine, but he does have some more feminine features (high cheekbones, full lips, etc.). I love the combination.

I think Zevran is very masculine. I know lots of people don't, judging from some of the comments and the fan art. I don't know what it is, but he seems more masculine to me than Alistair, for instance. I suppose he has full lips too, and his hair looks soft, but otherwise, I don't see much femininity or androgeny there. And his voice ....

That's rather interesting trail of thought, intellectualy engaging to discuss... though I am still giggling at Charsen's comment on that matter concerning the tokyo hotel protagonist ... something with glitter, prada and digging
I am not gonna throw in my preferences, because they are weird and would explain nothing.
Anyway imo there are several levels where masculinity/femininity can be displayed and if I compare Zevran and Alistair - Alistair looks more masculine to me (I am not saying that Zevran does not at all, just that Alistair's body build is for me more on the masculine side...but that is really about the in game models for elves and humans). On the other hand what Zevran says and does sends more masculine vibe compared to Alistair. *shrug*

[Sannox]

ejoslin wrote...

I'm being a toolset junky again. Interesting thing (at least in my weird mind). If you choose Zevran over Leliana or Morrigan, his VO notes say, "Pleased." If you choose him over Alistair, his VO notes say, "Relieved."

What does that mean?   (If anything!).  That he sees Alistair as more of a threat, or ...?  Given some of his comments, you'd think he might see Morrigan and Leliana as more of a threat if it's a male PC.  Is it that he sees Alistair as less of a threat, so it's less of a surprise (he's relieved that it was the choice that he expected rather than pleased that it was the choice that he didn't expect)?   What do you think?

[Mscheveous]

Sannox wrote...

My son is playing ME2. I keep meaning to buy ME and play that first. I'm so addicted to DA, though.

Me too, I fear I'll get 1/4th of a way through, not see Zevran and have to close it down.  

[Minaleth]

*shows ME and ME2 shiny boxes* When this is gonna be played I don't know. I'll finish current DA playthrough, then once more with a guy if I am able to create handsome enough character and then I'll see. I realized I can't get DA playthrough under 70 hours, no way.

[UpiH]

Since no-one else seemed to care, I undertook the mission.



Yes, they can