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UpiH wrote...
Since no-one else seemed to care, I undertook the mission.
Yes, they can
Modifié par Minaleth, 02 mai 2010 - 09:40 .
UpiH wrote...
Since no-one else seemed to care, I undertook the mission.
Yes, they can
Modifié par Mscheveous, 02 mai 2010 - 09:33 .
Mscheveous wrote...
UpiH wrote...
Since no-one else seemed to care, I undertook the mission.
Yes, they can
*laugh* I'll never look at Morrigan in the same light again....
Sannox wrote...
@UpiH It's funny the way they all look so calm and unenthusiastic!
Modifié par UpiH, 02 mai 2010 - 11:06 .
lol, looks like a typical day around here. XDUpiH wrote...
Since no-one else seemed to care, I undertook the mission.
Yes, they can
Minaleth wrote...
Edit: recycled fanart - because reading is good for you
And maybe I have some screens from yesterday...
Tellervo wrote...
Mscheveous wrote...
UpiH wrote...
Since no-one else seemed to care, I undertook the mission.
Yes, they can
*laugh* I'll never look at Morrigan in the same light again....
That's not Morrigan! One of Sami's characters, which she used as her avatar for quite a while
Modifié par UpiH, 02 mai 2010 - 12:05 .
Sannox wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I'm being a toolset junky again. Interesting thing (at least in my weird mind). If you choose Zevran over Leliana or Morrigan, his VO notes say, "Pleased." If you choose him over Alistair, his VO notes say, "Relieved."
What does that mean? (If anything!). That he sees Alistair as more of a threat, or ...? Given some of his comments, you'd think he might see Morrigan and Leliana as more of a threat if it's a male PC. Is it that he sees Alistair as less of a threat, so it's less of a surprise (he's relieved that it was the choice that he expected rather than pleased that it was the choice that he didn't expect)? What do you think?
UpiH wrote...
Since no-one else seemed to care, I undertook the mission.
Yes, they can
Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mai 2010 - 01:03 .
Modifié par webbedfeet, 02 mai 2010 - 01:04 .
Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mai 2010 - 01:13 .
Modifié par Mscheveous, 02 mai 2010 - 01:22 .
ejoslin wrote...
The first time I rejected the earring, I had NO clue that it would end up with a proposal (which I do believe is Zevran proposing, and I don't think the warden proposing would have the same impact).
I rejected it because way he offered it hurt. He went out of his way to tell her that it wasn't because she meant anything, but that he appreciated what she had done. Though his intentions WERE obvious, she was not going to put her heart on the line again (she had been through the wringer with Alistair) unless everything could be out in the open.
Basically, she didn't want a "not really" token of affection from someone who couldn't bring himself to say the words, 'You mean a lot to me." He told her he could sell the earring if she wanted. Though it was obviously untrue, he was not being honest about the gift, and until he could be honest, she really didn't want it.
webbedfeet wrote...
Haha, I could definitely understand that, especially considering Alistair's rose was *definitely* a token of affection! To be honest, though, I'm not quite sure what my PCs would do in your PC's shoes. Still accept it, probably---they're very '....oh. Thank you. Is that all?' kind of people, usually---but they might be more exasperated/tired of it instead of being hilariously sappy. A more 'Fine, have it your way then' reaction than 'I totally see what you're doing here. Thanks though', I'm guessing.
.........I hope I didn't sound confrontational or anything? Just giving my two cents, but I've heard that I can sound too argumentative in the morning.
Mscheveous wrote...
I think its more confirmation. We know his intentions, because it may be our 900th play through but as for the Warden, I get the impression you as the Warden kind of know, but are not truely sure how much. Getting the ring the second time because you know he wants the ring to mean something deeper then 'adore' at least for me, makes it that much better.
You can never get him to actually say 'I love you', but when he offers the ring the second time after you tell him you wish it to mean something more confirms his feelings, and you can just live without hearing it, you know it.
At least, thats my take on it. I like taking the ring the second time just because of that fact, but I do hate being harsh to him on why I am not taking it the first time..
and I also agree with ejo, the way he offers it the first time is kind of a 'shrug off' IMO. Just all the more reason to deny it until it can mean more to him then just a 'thank you present'
Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mai 2010 - 01:32 .
Mscheveous wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I do think the first time he offers it, he has not examined himself or his feelings for the warden and in fact is still trying to make it sound casual.
But I'm one of those who thinks Zevran was falling in love from the start and once he hit adore, all thoughts of it being casual were long gone. The earring conversation, to me, is just another example of Zevran saying one thing, but feeling something different.
Oh, I definatly agree, and I feel his feelings of love are confusing him because of the way he was raised and the enviorment he grew up in. BUT, making him offer is a second time instead of taking it right away when he just offers it as a 'Thank you for freeing me' type of gift...to me, makes him admit to himself of what he is feeling, and perhaps reassure him that you feel the same. For all his bark I think hes a scared little thing when it comes to that and needs a tiny nudge, but not a push.
I like how your MOD kind of fixes it, it doesnt stray from what Zevran is, like by making him say I love you. But it gives just enough that the original dialect missed.
ejoslin wrote...
Mscheveous wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I do think the first time he offers it, he has not examined himself or his feelings for the warden and in fact is still trying to make it sound casual.
But I'm one of those who thinks Zevran was falling in love from the start and once he hit adore, all thoughts of it being casual were long gone. The earring conversation, to me, is just another example of Zevran saying one thing, but feeling something different.
Oh, I definatly agree, and I feel his feelings of love are confusing him because of the way he was raised and the enviorment he grew up in. BUT, making him offer is a second time instead of taking it right away when he just offers it as a 'Thank you for freeing me' type of gift...to me, makes him admit to himself of what he is feeling, and perhaps reassure him that you feel the same. For all his bark I think hes a scared little thing when it comes to that and needs a tiny nudge, but not a push.
I like how your MOD kind of fixes it, it doesnt stray from what Zevran is, like by making him say I love you. But it gives just enough that the original dialect missed.
I like that Zevran doesn't say, "I love you." The closest you can get is him saying he adores the warden, which is so sweet. My favorite answer at the gates, though, is when you tell him, "Don't say goodbye just yet." He really is completely committed to the warden and will be there for them forever.
And I agree, rejecting the earring for the first time pushes him, not a huge push, but enough of one, that he's out of his comfort zone. The second offer, when it comes with a proposal, he really has had to face how he feels.
Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mai 2010 - 02:28 .
webbedfeet wrote...
Ah, that's one of his huge draws, isn't it? The guy who never says the words but act them out with more fervor than most religious fanatics. XD I exaggerate, of course, but not by much! (My PCs also make a point of 'Not saying it until you say it which is until I say it ahhh this never bloody ENDS', unless they're feeding themselves to the Archdemon. I'm a bad, bad person.)
I think my initial experience being a rather Circle-centric mage affected my reaction to the whole thing the same way you did, only reversed. Since the guy had more or less resigned himself to a Wynne-like life where commitments are thrown out of the window, he wasn't particularly keen on asking for one, either, and the romancing was somewhat unintentional on his part. (Not on MY part, but ahem.) And he was okay with not admitting things because, hey, that kind of defined his life up until Ostagar! Zevran's degree of commitment rather had the poor boy floored, haha.
But I talk too much about my PCs. Cough.
(Speaking of that Gates convo....am I the only person here who figures that 'Storming the Black City' could also pretty much mean 'I can totally risk the Maker's wrath and throw the world into another catastrophe again while probably dying in the process if that means I'm with you', beside that 'I can die for you' thing? I know the VO notes says it's the Gates of Hell, basically, but with the Thedas lore about Tevinter and the Golden City....am I reading too much into it? Am I dredging up an ancient topic? *RUNS* )
Mscheveous wrote...
@Webbed - I think I have always missed that part of the ending with him. Was I not paying attention enough or did you have to choose a specfic option? Normally I always take him up with me, if thats a factor, and my usual response is the whatever the option of him not being a better assassin, cant remeber the exact wording...
BUT - if I did get that, I have to kind of agree. I think if he is willing to go kick butt at the black city for you kind of says it all. It's perhaps Alistairs equivalent of actually throwing himself off the roof for his love...
Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mai 2010 - 02:32 .
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