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[ejoslin]

In dumping Zevran before Talisen, if he's at care, it's -20. If he's at adore, it's -46. The least brutal way to do it is to dump him for someone else (-15) when you talk to him first or just after having sex with him for the first time (the approval for the tent mitigates the disapproval for the breakup).

Zev just does not approve when dumped. But seeing as you can get up to +22 approval for visiting the tent for the first time, and +1 for every visit thereafter, it makes the approval rating more balanced. Alistair you dont' get much approval for finally going to the tent, and you get approval only once for it. But you also don't have to lose approval when dumping him, or you lose very little unless you're an ass about it. So it would be unbalancing if you got those same high approval jumps.

Edit: And it doesn't matter where you dump him.  It's -46 if he's at adore.  Even at camp.

Second edit: This is actually in response to Addai67's post just after this one -- the way you get the massive drop is if you break up with Zevran for no reason, just breaking up with him.  When you break up with him for someone else, it's less.  You won't get a -46 for dumping him for Alistair, it's for just . . . dumping him.  He doesn't ask for a reason, which makes me wonder what he thinks the reason is.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 février 2010 - 04:51 .

[Addai]

I'm re-running the end of my HNF, so just had to break up with him last night. She had turned the romance on at some point (I think she told him she was fond of him, *sigh* true but indiscreet). I had a save right before the breakups (she broke up with Alistair too, for the kingdom- boy that playthrough sucked). At that point, if she talked to Alistair he did his "what's going on with Zevran" dialogue, if I spoke to Zevran he was inviting her to the massage. Ugh! I had to go with the Alistair one, because it seemed so bad to break up with Zevran right as he's making a move.



Anyway, it was -11 approval for speaking to Alistair first and then responding "I'm sorry, Zevran" and telling him she hoped they'd be friends. It was -10 for turning down the massage and telling him "there's someone else." The approval system seems to be randomized somewhat. Or it's based on approval up to that point. Zevran was at +72 Adore when this happened.

[ejoslin]

So I'm reading over my screenshots of the earring encounter. It seems to me, if you choose my favorite response, "Maybe it would be better for you if you stopped," or even everyone else's (rofl), "I am no wiser than you," that your warden is forcing Zevran to acknowledge to you how he feels, as opposed to, "I do, and I feel the same way," (which does not lead to the second offer of the earring). With asking him if it would be better to end it, he's also forced to say that he wants a future with the warden. That statement combined with the second offering of the earring really does make it sound more like a proposal, though.



Since with Zevran he leaves so much unsaid, I really like it with that particular answer that he has to say to the warden that he wants a future with her. He is still trying not to put any demands on her as he promised her he never would -- she is the one who has to agree with him, though. "Not unless you wish it" could be taken as him being willing to marry her if she wants, or it could be taken as that he really wants to, but it has to be something that she wants as well.



Did that make sense at ALL? I'm having trouble articulating this.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

When I dumped Zevran for Alistair at adore, I only lost -14 approval. He seems alot cooler being dumped for someone else, as opposed to just getting dumped for the hell of it. And the approval drop was no biggie for me, he was still my friend, and through just being his homegirl, I got his approval back up, especially with mama's gloves.



Alistair is the opposite. he seems to accept, almost expect, to be dumped for no reason, but he gets really upset if being dumped for someone else. I have my own theories between the two differences in reaction.



Forcing Zevran into the second offer of the earing is totally worth it, even with the initial approval drops, and you regain the lost approval in spades. I just wish they would fix the bug so the earring ends up in your inventory, something to look at and such. maybe someone will make a patch for that bug, like they did for Alistair's dialogue.

[Jaulen]

I've never gotten the romance to re-start if I go to him forst and break up with Zevran. The only way I've been able to get the romance to retrigger is to go to the other choice, get the "pick one of us lines" say I chose them, take the initial approval hit (can be nothing if you do it correctly), then go to Zevran and talk to him and say I'm sorry, then when he asks about remaining friends say the "I don't know/does it ever work out that way?" line.



then the romance will re open.

I think the big kicker is the "I don't know" about being friends. I've found that chosing the "I hope sone" line freind-zones him.

[jenovan]

AHHHH I just typed a novel and IE ate it.   *sigh*

ejoslin wrote...
 He doesn't ask for a reason, which makes me wonder what he thinks the reason is.

I really, really wonder.   It occurs to me that it's a sort of open door left by the writers for you to guilt yourself with your reason of choice. ;D  Anything from duty, to mistrust, to interest in another person, to a male PC not being comfortable with the level of the relationship (more on that below).

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Alistair is the opposite. he seems to accept, almost expect, to be dumped for no reason, but he gets really upset if being dumped for someone else. I have my own theories between the two differences in reaction.

Forcing Zevran into the second offer of the earing is totally worth it, even with the initial approval drops, and you regain the lost approval in spades. I just wish they would fix the bug so the earring ends up in your inventory, something to look at and such. maybe someone will make a patch for that bug, like they did for Alistair's dialogue.

Getting the earring would be nice, yeah. :/  For that matter, I'd love if it were equippable, in one of the "ring" slots (judging by Alistair's "Runic Worry Token", the accessories there don't neccessarily have to be rings...).  Maybe it could be +Willpower or something.

And now I'm curious about Alistair   A jealousy issue, perhaps?

ejoslin wrote...
Since with Zevran he leaves so much unsaid, I really like it with that particular answer that he has to say to the warden that he wants a future with her. He is still trying not to put any demands on her as he promised her he never would -- she is the one who has to agree with him, though. "Not unless you wish it" could be taken as him being willing to marry her if she wants, or it could be taken as that he really wants to, but it has to be something that she wants as well.

Did that make sense at ALL? I'm having trouble articulating this.

I think I follow ya  And I agree on the two different ways of reading "not unless you wish it", although the actual wording makes me think more the latter.  If he'd said, "if you wish it", it would sound more like the former, I think.  The "not unless" seems to imply that he would really like to go that way, but as always, he leaves the PC with the choice.


Okay, male PC insight time. ;D  Warning: I really, really should have uploaded my dialogue screenshots, but I didn't (at work at the moment), so I'm kinda flying blind by memory here. ;D  If people want the quotes later, I shall retrieve them! 

Alright, so, as a male PC, you often get the chance to bring up comments in the vein of "but I'm a man", or have Zevran bring them up for you. Usually these come with a little bit of discussion, and you can find out how little that matters to Zevran really.  As the PC, you can decide to give Zevran the old "okay, now stop flirting with me", or you can let yourself be convinced that it's okay.  

I actually found one of these by accident last night. When Zevran asks you to the tent, I think the female PC gets a "are you joking?" line somewhere?  I haven't found anything like that for the male PC, but you can get a "Absolutely not."  I thought that would be an outright refusal, but Zevran will actually ask you why and try to convince you. XD  His answer is actually rather sweet, but I'll have to paraphrase, here:  "Is it because we are both men?  We travel together, fight together... why can we not also take pleasure in each other's company?"  Of course, you can agree with him at that point and go on your merry way to a massage.

But... later, when Zevran is trying to seal the deal with the earring (I think it's actually the second time, which makes this worse...), the PC can object with something like, "We're both men, Zevran..." and he will drop you like a hot rock at that point.   There's no second chance on that one, and he seems rather hurt that at THAT point in the relationship, you can't get over that.  I'm actually trying to remember if that will knock him out of the romance entirely, but I'm not sure. :/  I just thought it was interesting that you do NOT get a second chance on that one.  It makes sense and all, just.. wow. That's detail

[ejoslin]

Yeh, I think Zevran at that point is way beyond the games. You have been in it this long knowing you both are men -- pointing it out at that time would be the same as saying, "No, it's impossible."

Alistair, whenever I dump him for Zevran, as long as I talk to Zevran first and am decent to Alistair afterwards, I either get zero approval loss OR at most, if he's at adore with his quest not done, -2. Now, I do pick the least hurtful of the options (thank him for understanding, etc.). You can get major disapproval if you're a bit of a jerk.

Edit: I tend to think it's the latter as well, with the "not unless you wish it."  Even if you don't choose the bad dialog there, it's pretty obvious it's a proposal.  Especially if you asked him the first time he offered it if it meant you two were married in Antiva (hah, I always do, even though his response is so harsh).  It's just that answer coupled with his response if you choose, "Maybe it would be better for you if we ended it," just makes it so clear that he sees a future with the warden.  He probably never looked at the future before in his life, too.

Ok, I'm going into *squee* mode here.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 février 2010 - 07:05 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Just beat the game with dear Baren Broska

Alistair still hates me

Zevran thinks Im a woman (the ending card reffered to Baren as "she" and "woman")

my drunken wretch of a mother stopped drinking after she found out I saved the world! infact I really enjoyed the conversation with Rica at the ceremony

Eamon is in denial about his son being dead because her kept talking as if he was alive(though the ending cards still say Conner died)

only Anora ended up appearing in the coronation cutscene despite me putting Alistair on the throne to

and mages from all across Thedas set up a Circle of Magi in orzammar outside of the chantrys control which causes them to contemplate an exhalted march

Shale also decided to resurrect herself and her models glitched up to look like some mutated Caradin...

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 15 février 2010 - 07:48 .

[Nonvita]

I have little to back it up, but it seems like the only way to get the Zevran romance restart dialogues is if he's back down at warm once you break up with him. It seems like if you raise his approval up to friendly then you're stuck dead in the friend zone. But there have to be some bugs in there, too, because none of us seem to be able to figure it out. XD



As for breaking up with him, it seems clear to me that he disapproves less if you're choosing someone else because he *expects* you to choose someone else. He tries to sound like he doesn't care in that conversation, he only talks about how it will hurt the other person as though he's pushing you toward the other person, and the look on his face when he says "Then only one path lies ahead" always looks ike he expects the worst. He's very much prepared for you to not choose him because he still has it in his head that no one really cares about him.



On the other hand, breaking up with him at adore without someone else involved is basically saying to him again that he means nothing. If there's not someone else involved then it means you're willing to just toss him aside for no reason. And, as mentioned, he has to stick around with you even though he no longer feels desired.



Breaking up with him at love gets you less of a drop definitely because he now has a chance to leave. And unless you can convince him to stay he absolutely will leave. I don't think it means the breakup hurts him less, just that he can run away from the pain whereas before he couldn't. In the end it still destroys him, but at that moment at least he has other options.

[Walina]

Any ideas why Zevran disliked the choice : give a proper funeral to Cailan in RTO dlc ?? It surprised me because he liked when I saved the girl from the cat demon >.>

[ejoslin]

Walina wrote...

Any ideas why Zevran disliked the choice : give a proper funeral to Cailan in RTO dlc ?? It surprised me because he liked when I saved the girl from the cat demon >.>

No explanation at all, really.  If you get his cutscene (I duo'ed with him to get it), he says something like, "Crude.  To go through the trouble of killing a king, you'd think they'd show his face."  So perhaps he felt the darkspawn deserved their trophy.  Or perhaps he doesn't like nobility.  Or perhaps he thought it was silly to do anything with a body since he also disapproves if you feed it to the wolves.

But since the choices given only really seem appropriate for a human noble, I just kind of pretend the ending doesn't happen.  There's no reason why, for instance, a dwarf or a dalish elf would say, "He's of noble birth and deserves a pyre."  Or a city elf or mage for that matter. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 février 2010 - 09:39 .

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: I tend to think it's the latter as well, with the "not unless you wish it."  Even if you don't choose the bad dialog there, it's pretty obvious it's a proposal.  Especially if you asked him the first time he offered it if it meant you two were married in Antiva (hah, I always do, even though his response is so harsh).  It's just that answer coupled with his response if you choose, "Maybe it would be better for you if we ended it," just makes it so clear that he sees a future with the warden.  He probably never looked at the future before in his life, too.

Ok, I'm going into *squee* mode here.

RE: Squee mode, isn't this why we're here? XD

Married in Antiva?! How do you get that little tidbit?? XD  I'm wondering if that's a fem-only thing, but it's entirely possible I missed it somewhere... I've done more poking on the 2nd conversation than the first one.

[ejoslin]

Yeh, when he first offers the earring it goes like this:

Zevran: Here. This seems like an appropriate moment to give you this.
Warden: Oh, does that mean we're married in Antiva?
Zevran: (laughs) Let's hope not.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 février 2010 - 10:01 .

[Walina]

ejoslin wrote...

Walina wrote...

Any ideas why Zevran disliked the choice : give a proper funeral to Cailan in RTO dlc ?? It surprised me because he liked when I saved the girl from the cat demon >.>

No explanation at all, really.  If you get his cutscene (I duo'ed with him to get it), he says something like, "Crude.  To go through the trouble of killing a king, you'd think they'd show his face."  So perhaps he felt the darkspawn deserved their trophy.  Or perhaps he doesn't like nobility.  Or perhaps he thought it was silly to do anything with a body since he also disapproves if you feed it to the wolves.

But since the choices given only really seem appropriate for a human noble, I just kind of pretend the ending doesn't happen.  There's no reason why, for instance, a dwarf or a dalish elf would say, "He's of noble birth and deserves a pyre."  Or a city elf or mage for that matter. 

Right, now that you mention he did talked with Alistair how royalties ast in Antiva, that they were good for nothing just killing each other maybe that's why he disaproved, just cause Cailan was king prolly.

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...

Yeh, when he first offers the earring it goes like this:

Zevran: Here. This seems like an appropriate moment to give you this.
Warden: Oh, does that mean we're married in Antiva?
Zevran: (laughs) Let's hope not.

Oh, wow. XD  The male PC definitely doesn't have that choice, although there's a comment somewhere in there about "jewelry? Not very manly..." and Zevran wonders if it's different in the south, and says he's worn it for years or some such. 

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Yeh, when he first offers the earring it goes like this:

Zevran: Here. This seems like an appropriate moment to give you this.
Warden: Oh, does that mean we're married in Antiva?
Zevran: (laughs) Let's hope not.

Oh, wow. XD  The male PC definitely doesn't have that choice, although there's a comment somewhere in there about "jewelry? Not very manly..." and Zevran wonders if it's different in the south, and says he's worn it for years or some such. 

Heh, my first playthrough, my poor dumped city mage selected that and it was the reason I rejected the earring to begin with.  Especially since Alistair's reaction to that question when giving the rose was pretty much the same, but deflected with much more humor.  I was just, OUCH!

*grin* I think that's done deliberately so many of us WILL reject that earring.  Because the second offering is the best hidden thing in the game, IMO (though not hidden any more I suppose).

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 février 2010 - 10:16 .

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

As for breaking up with him, it seems clear to me that he disapproves less if you're choosing someone else because he *expects* you to choose someone else. He tries to sound like he doesn't care in that conversation, he only talks about how it will hurt the other person as though he's pushing you toward the other person, and the look on his face when he says "Then only one path lies ahead" always looks ike he expects the worst. He's very much prepared for you to not choose him because he still has it in his head that no one really cares about him.

On the other hand, breaking up with him at adore without someone else involved is basically saying to him again that he means nothing. If there's not someone else involved then it means you're willing to just toss him aside for no reason. And, as mentioned, he has to stick around with you even though he no longer feels desired.

Breaking up with him at love gets you less of a drop definitely because he now has a chance to leave. And unless you can convince him to stay he absolutely will leave. I don't think it means the breakup hurts him less, just that he can run away from the pain whereas before he couldn't. In the end it still destroys him, but at that moment at least he has other options.

This made me feel really sad, actually, about my HNF endings.  Even though Zevran is willing to stay with her, he doesn't seem very happy about the situation, though he's still relieved they're staying together.  Bleh, there's a lot of responsibility that comes with keeping him with your character!  *grin*  

Well, I'm doing another HNF playthrough, and it's possible that this Cousland just won't care enough and will marry Alistair and Anora off and become Teyrna of Gwaren and marry Zevran.  You know, that would make the Couslands VERY powerful . . . much more powerful than if she were queen.  *grin*  It's an interesting possibility anyway!

[Jaulen]

Whoa, can someone write the dialogue where you get the 'watch but can't have line'?



That's kind of what I think if you offer to kiss Alistair in public with Zev in the group if Zev's at adore, he says something along the lines of 'just ignore me, I'm used to it'. Kudos to Alisatir for turning the kiss down. -3 approval hit from Zev for that....EACH and EVERY time you request a kiss in public.

Talk about hurting his feelings.



Okay, off to download dialogue tweaks so I can ask Zevran to the tent at 100 love earring proposal and all. Yeah!



(Husband tonight said I liked Zevran more than him. I said only VR baby. If Zev was real I'd proably run the other way thinking "Emotional Baggage! Too much for me to deal with!" But as VR and the characters I play, he's what they like.)

[Nonvita]

Jaulen wrote...

(Husband tonight said I liked Zevran more than him. I said only VR baby. If Zev was real I'd proably run the other way thinking "Emotional Baggage! Too much for me to deal with!" But as VR and the characters I play, he's what they like.)

In RL I'd never go for a guy who outnumbers me in sexual partners probably 500 to 1, and who probably got his first STD at age 6... But, since it's a game where STDs don't exist and where my characters have typically been with their fair share or more of men, it's a different case altogether... The emotional baggage thing kind of (unfortunately?) reminds me of the guys I tend to get with, so who knows...

As for you, my dear, just make sure to remind your husband that you love him once in a while.

[Cuddlezarro]

oh dear... I ended up trying to make a female dwarf casteless assassin/ranger just to try the female version of the Zevran romance and ended up making another guy...



the female Dwarfs arms bug me to much... why do female dwarves have to have such freakishly long and skinny arms!? I mean you can make them really pretty looking but dear lord those arms >_<

[Ceridraen]

ejoslin wrote...

Walina wrote...

Any ideas why Zevran disliked the choice : give a proper funeral to Cailan in RTO dlc ?? It surprised me because he liked when I saved the girl from the cat demon >.>

No explanation at all, really.  If you get his cutscene (I duo'ed with him to get it), he says something like, "Crude.  To go through the trouble of killing a king, you'd think they'd show his face."  So perhaps he felt the darkspawn deserved their trophy.  Or perhaps he doesn't like nobility.  Or perhaps he thought it was silly to do anything with a body since he also disapproves if you feed it to the wolves.

But since the choices given only really seem appropriate for a human noble, I just kind of pretend the ending doesn't happen.  There's no reason why, for instance, a dwarf or a dalish elf would say, "He's of noble birth and deserves a pyre."  Or a city elf or mage for that matter. 

Ya, I really didn't like that. I also didn't like that I had no other (good) option other than the 'noble birth' line. Nothing about, this is cruel, or anything.  It didn't seem like Zevran at ALL to object. He's really pretty nice. Maybe he's objecting to the devs not giving us a better line.  

[Sabriana]

See, that RtO thing is one of the reasons I'm not buying it. It is OOC for Zevran to react that way, without explanations. He's the most vocal of the companions in voicing his likes and dislikes for PC actions, but here he doesn't discuss it? He knows about Ostagar, and he also should know that the PC is a HNF. Well, most of mine are.

However, all characters are more or less pulled OOC by that DLC. Loghain acts weird, Alistair acts strange or reacts not at all when he really, really should. And don't get me started on Wynne. What the heck was that all about? I usually don't have my PC's continue their romance with Alistair as soon as Zevrans gets in the "it's him or me" mode, but even I was a bit put off.

This is Ostagar. A place full of very bad memories, sadness, despair and horror. Many people were slaughtered here, including King Cailan, the Grey Wardens and Duncan (probably), and she says what??? To Alistair??? Who can't get over Ostagar the whole play-through? No, I don't have the DLC, but I watched some play-throughs on YouTube.

Not to mention that my dalish (poor thing is still on ice) told Cailan flat out that "You are not my king, human." She would never say those lines, and it's doubtful a dwarf would, or even a City Elf, depending how she is RP'd.

So Zevran acting weird just (un)sealed the deal for me. As for dating him in RL, well, if there was suddenly a devastating invasion going on, and I and someone else were the only hope for survival of my country, and there were no STD's, and Zevran and I were thrown together for a longish time, yeah, I would go for him. Since that's highly impossible, I'd say not. Definitely not for a fling.

If it were for a committed relationship, perhaps. However, he'd have to work hard to convince me that he can be monogamous, honest, and trustworthy. AND he'd have to go to a good doctor to be tested in regular intervals before I'd let him anywhere near me up close and personal. Couple that with a good therapist, and him understanding that if he sleeps with anyone else he's history, and we might have a go at it. I highly doubt that this would come to pass,.

[Sresla]

Sabriana wrote...

See, that RtO thing is one of the reasons I'm not buying it. It is OOC for Zevran to react that way, without explanations. He's the most vocal of the companions in voicing his likes and dislikes for PC actions, but here he doesn't discuss it? He knows about Ostagar, and he also should know that the PC is a HNF. Well, most of mine are.

Believe me, I pedestal Zevran as much as everyone else, but I totally disagree with the above.

Zevran's reaction, to me, seems completely natural. It's a corpse. I think I said this in another thread (maybe this one, but it would have been pages and pages back) that I understand where an assassin would have little concern for corpses. "The only difference between a king and a beggar is how many mourn his passing." is exactly what I heard in my head, as his reaction. I mean, once he's killed a mark, does he bother with a nice burial? Say a few words? No. Dead is dead. And, if you have a trophy, like a king, why not display it? If you've read "The Stolen Throne" (Queen Moire's head on a pike), you can see where that sentiment comes from. Were I the Darkspawn army, I would have cut Cailan's head off and paraded it around on a stick in front of the entire horde.

Does he need to care, just because the Warden does (if they do)? Add to this that he never met Cailan, his own experience with nobility in Antiva, he's not from Ferelden and given what exposure he's had to Ferelden nobility (except the Warden, if they're a human noble), does it really paint them in the best light? Sure, Zevran can be sensitive and understanding, but most of his sentiment seems reserved for the living (Vaughn being the only exception I can think of). Taken from a purely practical standpoint (and Zevran does seem to err on the side of practical and pragmatic rather than emotional - siding with Branka, anyone?), burying a corpse is a waste of time and is really only done to comfort the living. How many battlefields did the Warden leave behind with corpses, left for the wolves or just left untended? What makes this one any different?

Edit: I can see why human noble characters might be put off by his reaction, but as an elven mage, my character was pretty neutral in his feelings towards Cailan. If anything, the King was put into a rather negative light during my mage's limited exposure to him, just by his own rather seemingly reckless attitude and what was left unsaid by Duncan. Then again, I also feel some empathy towards Loghain and where he was coming from (not about him trying to have me killed of course - in retrospect though, he couldn't have done me a bigger favor) and why he betrayed Cailan to begin with. I still think one of the best scenes in the game (that doesn't involve Zevran) is after the war meeting you attend with Duncan and Loghain leaves - the expression on his face and the way he phrases his final remark, that's the point where you can just see he goes round the twist and it's great.

Modifié par Sresla, 16 février 2010 - 11:26 .

[ejoslin]

Really, what bothers me the most about RtO are the three choices you have at the end. Regarding Zevran's disapproval, though, my original thought was, with the comment he makes, that he thinks the darkspawn deserve their trophy. However, with Zevran, he also is fighting the darkspawn so they're the enemy -- demoralizing the enemy by taking their trophy down should be a good thing. His reaction makes more sense if done early in the game -- by the end, he's fully committed to fighting the blight. And as practical as he is, he would understand the power of that particular symbol.

Edit: My non-noble characters have the exact same grief and such on their faces, which also bothers me, as none of them felt anything but contempt for Cailin (they thought him a fool).  But they're not going to let their enemy keep the trophy -- you just don't do that for the other side's morale.  The good news is with RtO you can swap people in and out of the party just about anywhere, so it doesn't really matter.  It's a way to get approval gains or losses I suppose as you want.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 février 2010 - 11:38 .

[Sabriana]

Sresla, I might not have said it right. I don't mind him disapproving. Heck, sometimes I deliberately metagame and choose the lines he'll disapprove of. However, his silent disapproval is what bothers me. The run-through I watched was the PC, Zevran, Wynne, and Alistair. Zevran says nothing. Nothing at all.

As for approving/disapproving, if anything, he should be neutral. His view on royalty notwithstanding, leaving a trophy there for darkspawn, that are also his enemies, seems OOC.

It would make more sense if the PC can only go to Ostagar with him early in the game, when he has not yet learned much about the quest, the difficulties, has not fought darkspawn tooth and nail, and knows nothing more about Ostagar than that it was a battlefield.

Edited because somehow or other I got ninja'd by Ejoslin. Again, lol

Modifié par Sabriana, 16 février 2010 - 11:40 .