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What's the (Romantic) Appeal of Zevran?


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#26001
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Sresla wrote...

I think there was a typo.

Tellervo wrote...

My dears, my lovelies, I have pulled a jaw muscle (don't ask what I was doing), and I will be unable to eat, talk, work, etc. for at least tonight, until it's less excruciating. The keyboard is my only viable form of communication and my only sustenance will be the lulz you bring me.


So I fixed it for you, to prevent undue strain on your fingers. Since you'll be using your hands all day. So, what is it you were doing? I'm all ears, as we elves like to say. :innocent:


Whatever you imagine, it's far more entertaining than reality.  So keep your assumptions.  I'd be less embarassed if that were the case.

Edit: surely I have a pic lying about somewhere....

Modifié par Tellervo, 03 mai 2010 - 08:50 .


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Thank you, ejoslin! ^^

I can't slaughter innocents either, and besides the Dalish are great allies in the end. I'd much rather have ranged allies against the archdemon than melee ones.

ETA:

Second edit: My favorite of those little mods actually is the Ser Perth
one, where you can let Zevran change your mind about using the oil!
 Flaming undead IS bad!


Not only that, but Ser Perth and his men usually end up dying by flames because they stand in the fire.  The first time I heard Zevran say that about the flaming undead, I laughed out loud!

Modifié par dream_operator23, 03 mai 2010 - 08:46 .


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Second edit: My favorite of those little mods actually is the Ser Perth one, where you can let Zevran change your mind about using the oil! Flaming undead IS bad!

I still don't know what he was talking about with that. Flaming undead is HILARIOS.

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*has absolutely zero problems doing any of the "evil"(theres very few i would say are outright evil) options in this game*





this games "bad" options are pretty tame compared to some of the things iv been allowed to do in other games

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Cuddlezarro wrote...

*has absolutely zero problems doing any of the "evil"(theres very few i would say are outright evil) options in this game*


this games "bad" options are pretty tame compared to some of the things iv been allowed to do in other games


There are some options I still am torn about.  When you put it into the perspective THE most important thing is stopping the blight, I have a bit of a problem destroying the anvil.  I've only convinced the werewolves to condemn themselves a few times.  Mages, I'm indifferent.  I never go to the mage circle to save Connor.  I just can't bring myself to do it.

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ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

*has absolutely zero problems doing any of the "evil"(theres very few i would say are outright evil) options in this game*


this games "bad" options are pretty tame compared to some of the things iv been allowed to do in other games


There are some options I still am torn about.  When you put it into the perspective THE most important thing is stopping the blight, I have a bit of a problem destroying the anvil.  I've only convinced the werewolves to condemn themselves a few times.  Mages, I'm indifferent.  I never go to the mage circle to save Connor.  I just can't bring myself to do it.


ditto on all these counts. I need to work out the anvil for Missa, and if she'd use it. She's very pragmatic, but she hates the power in Orzammar, so...

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Some screenshot squee :wizard: 
First fighting ...
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... and then steam rendezvous featuring sparkling dwarf and handsome elf 
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:wub:
 

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soignee wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

*has absolutely zero problems doing any of the "evil"(theres very few i would say are outright evil) options in this game*


this games "bad" options are pretty tame compared to some of the things iv been allowed to do in other games


There are some options I still am torn about.  When you put it into the perspective THE most important thing is stopping the blight, I have a bit of a problem destroying the anvil.  I've only convinced the werewolves to condemn themselves a few times.  Mages, I'm indifferent.  I never go to the mage circle to save Connor.  I just can't bring myself to do it.


ditto on all these counts. I need to work out the anvil for Missa, and if she'd use it. She's very pragmatic, but she hates the power in Orzammar, so...


The way I played it on Mor (MDN) was that he ended up supporting Behlen. I played it that he agreed with him about the castless and that Orzammar needed to change to survive, but also because Behlen treated him with respect.

But when it came to the Anvil he simply didn't trust Behlen (or Branka) enough to keep it and when he heard Carridan's story and could could see his brother as that King. So he choose, despite it's potential, to destroy it . 

I hope that makes some sense.  :unsure:

*Edit*

Thought I'd say what Missa would do from my point of view.

I think Missa would support Behlen as King not because she perticulary cares who is king, but because of her sister (can't remember her name) and because of his idea's on the castless (the first reason more then the second).

When it came to the Anvil I don't think se would trust the nobles with it after seeing it drove branka mad and what she did to her house would mean she had to die.

*shrugs*

Modifié par MorGothic, 03 mai 2010 - 10:52 .


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but also because Behlen treated him with respect.

When does that happen?!?!?!
When Bhelen sees the DN again he's nothing but, by turns, smug, insulting, mocking, dismissive, and hateful. Oh, ad 'slightly theatening.' Just look at the toolset.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 03 mai 2010 - 10:48 .


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Sarah1281 wrote...

but also because Behlen treated him with respect.

When does that happen?!?!?!
When Bhelen sees the DN again he's nothing but, by turns, smug, insulting, mocking, dismissive, and hateful. Oh, ad 'slightly theatening.' Just look at the toolset.


she's right. Bhelen's an utter c*ck to you if you're a DN...

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soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...


but also because Behlen treated him with respect.

When does that happen?!?!?!
When Bhelen sees the DN again he's nothing but, by turns, smug, insulting, mocking, dismissive, and hateful. Oh, ad 'slightly theatening.' Just look at the toolset.


she's right. Bhelen's an utter c*ck to you if you're a DN...

Well, I suppose he's sort of nice when he reinstates you, gives you Trian's maul (he wanted you to have it apparenly Image IPB), and gives you troops, but that's only after you ran all over Orzammar for him playing messenger, singlehandedly slaughtered the carta, and tracked down the Paragon no one else has been able to find, and then hand-delivered the crown to him, and he's having Harrowmont killed so he's in a good mood.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...


but also because Behlen treated him with respect.

When does that happen?!?!?!
When Bhelen sees the DN again he's nothing but, by turns, smug, insulting, mocking, dismissive, and hateful. Oh, ad 'slightly theatening.' Just look at the toolset.


she's right. Bhelen's an utter c*ck to you if you're a DN...

Well, I suppose he's sort of nice when he reinstates you, gives you Trian's maul (he wanted you to have it apparenly Image IPB), and gives you troops, but that's only after you ran all over Orzammar for him playing messenger, singlehandedly slaughtered the carta, and tracked down the Paragon no one else has been able to find, and then hand-delivered the crown to him, and he's having Harrowmont killed so he's in a good mood.


It's my game, I play how I wanna. *pouts*

Hmm, I didn't get that from him. I'm going to go check the toolset .

(I'm not saying your wrong, it could simply be the fact I really hate Harrowmont.)

#26013
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Don't bother; Gilsa already did:

Bhelen: "Well, who would have imagined..." (VO: slightly threatening)
(Female) Bhelen: "My big sister, back from the dead, and calling herself a Grey Warden." (VO: slightly threatening)
(Male) Bhelen: "My big brother, returned from the grave, and with the might of the Grey Wardens behind him." (VO: slightly threatening)
Bhelen: "I could hardly believe it when Vartag said you wished to help me regain the throne." (VO: slightly threatening, skeptical)

TREE 1
1. I just want to stop the Blight. You're my best chance.
Bhelen: "You're right." (VO: approving)
Bhelen: "Harrowmont would bow and dandle you on his knee like a child, but he could never overcome the Assembly's resistance to your treaty." (VO: disdainful, a little jealous)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*

2. Why did you do it, Bhelen? What did I ever do to you?
Bhelen: "You'd have acted against me in a heartbeat if I hadn't done it first. The same way you turned everyone in the Assembly against Trian." (VO: angry, hateful)
Bhelen: "The same way our father--may the ancestors bless him--convinced his elder brother to enter a Proving against a convicted murderer." (VO: ironically respectful -- he respects their father for being as underhanded as him)
(IF: Killed_Trian) Bhelen: "The same way you killed Trian the minute he was a threat to you." (VO: sly)
(IF: Framed) Bhelen: "Who do you think gave the murderer the poison to put on his blade?" (VO: sly)
*GO TO TREE 2*

3. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father? *Go to tree 2, line 4*

4. The throne should belong to an Aeducan.
Bhelen: "You're more pragmatic than I give you credit for." (VO: approving, mocking)
Bhelen: "You're also right. It would weaken all of Orzammar if a Harrowmont took the throne." (VO: scornful)
Bhelen: "Now, Vartag tells me you're here seeking allies against the Blight. You were right to turn to me." (VO: confident)
Bhelen: "Harrowmont would bow and dandle you on his knee like a child, but he could never overcome the Assembly's resistance to your treaty." (VO: disdainful, a little jealous)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*

TREE 2
1. Father would never do that!
Bhelen: "He was a second son who took the throne of Orzammar. Do you honestly believe he did nothing underhanded?" (VO: scoffing)
1a. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father? *Go to tree 2, line 4*
1b. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand. *Go to tree 2, line 5*
1c. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now. *Go to tree 2, line 6*

(IF: Killed_Trian) 2. I only killed Trian because you said he was out to get me.
Bhelen: "Please. It's not like you were hard to convince. "Oh, dear. He may try to kill you." "Oops. Can't let that happen. Have to get to him first." (VO: sarcastic, condescending -- making fun of the player)
2a. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father? *Go to tree 2, line 4*
2b. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand. *Go to tree 2, line 5*
2c. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now. *Go to tree 2, line 6*

(IF: Framed) 3. You're wrong. I never plotted against you or Trian.
Bhelen: "You should thank me then; you could never handle the throne. A king of Orzammar has to be ruthless. He has to tell the Assembly to snap to or shut down." (VO: a little disdainful)
Bhelen: "He has to accept that in any battle, against darkspawn or politicians, there are casualties. Neither you nor Harrowmont is that king." (VO: determined, confident)
3a. Harrowmont would be a better king than you would! *Go to tree 4*
3b. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father? *Go to tree 2, line 4*
3c. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand. *Go to tree 2, line 5*
3d. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now. *Go to tree 2, line 6*

4. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father?
Bhelen: "Father died of grief. He couldn't bear to live when you were gone." (VO: some sadness, jealousy)
4a. Why did you do it, Bhelen? What did I ever do to you? *Go to tree 1, line 2*
4b. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand. *Go to tree 2, line 5*
4c. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now. *Go to tree 2, line 6*

5. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand.
Bhelen: "And I guess you've finally learned something about politics." (VO: smirking)
Bhelen: "Now, Vartag tells me you're here seeking allies against the Blight. You were right to turn to me." (VO: confident)
Bhelen: "Harrowmont would bow and dandle you on his knee like a child, but he could never overcome the Assembly's resistance to your treaty." (VO: disdainful, a little jealous)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*

6. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now.
Bhelen: "You're right." (VO: approving)
Bhelen: "Harrowmont would bow and dandle you on his knee like a child, but he could never overcome the Assembly's resistance to your treaty." (VO: disdainful, a little jealous)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*

TREE 3
1. Then send your men and we will leave for the surface today!
Bhelen: "Unfortunately, while this debate rages, I have no power to send the troops you need." (VO: flat)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*

2. Then you'll honor your agreement with the Wardens?
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Absolutely. And on the souls of our shared ancestors... as soon as Orzammar is united under Aeducan rule." (VO: dramatic, then pointed)
(IF: NOT_Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Absolutely. And sworn on the mail of my ancestors... as soon as Orzammar is united under my rule." (VO: dramatic, then pointed)
Bhelen: "Unfortunately, while this debate rages, I have no power to send the troops you need." (VO: flat)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*

3. There will be time for politics when the darkspawn are gone.
Bhelen: "Unfortunately, while this debate rages, I have no power to send the troops you need." (VO: flat)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*

4. That sounds a little extreme...
Bhelen: "Then you have forgotten your training. The Warden's first principle is the darkspawn must be defeated at all costs." (VO: sly)
Bhelen: "I cannot send you the troops you need while this senseless debate tears Orzammar apart." (VO: firm)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*

(IF: Dwarf_Noble) 5. You never were willing to hear the voice of dissent.
Bhelen: "Unfortunately, while this debate rages, I have no power to send the troops you need." (VO: flat)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*

TREE 4
Bhelen: "Then why are you here?" (VO: sly)

1. Well, you got me there.
Bhelen: "You need help, and after what you did to him, Harrowmont won't give it." (VO: firm)
Bhelen: "And I don't believe you'd risk your alliance just to find out about my brother. You may not like me, and I'm fine with that." (VO: indifferent, confident)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*

2. We don't need a good king now, we need a strong king. *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 1, line 4*

3. I just want to stop the Blight. You're my best chance. *Go to tree 1, line 1*

TREE 5
1. Maybe I could do something about that...
Bhelen: "Jarvia and her carta are behind this bedlam."
Bhelen: "If you can eliminate them, I promise as king, I will send as many troops as you need to fight the darkspawn." (VO: confident)

(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking)

1a. I'll go look for her right now.
Bhelen: "And I will wait eagerly for your return." (VO: pleased he got his way) *END DIALOGUE*

1b. I'll look into it. That's all I can promise.
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) (Female) Bhelen: "Still taking the middle ground, big sister? I should have known you wouldn't give a firm answer." (VO: dismissive)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) (Male) Bhelen: "Still hedging your bets, big brother? One of these days, you'll have to jump in with both feet." (VO: Dismissive)
Bhelen: "Take your time, then. But remember, every minute you wait, more darkspawn walk the surface lands..." (VO: Forboding) *END DIALOGUE*

(IF: NOT_Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "That's all I can ask. But I can be of no help until this problem is solved." (VO: pointed)
Bhelen: "And every minute we wait, more darkspawn swarm into human lands..." (VO: Forboding) *END DIALOGUE*

1c. I'm not promising anything.
Bhelen: "You know what I want, and what I can give if I get it. There's little point in further negotiations." (VO: Curt. Kind of bossy. He knows he's in a position of power.)
Bhelen: "I will wait to hear whether you follow through or not." (VO: Curt) *END DIALOGUE*

2. Are you trying to go back on your word?
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "I only promised to hear your story." (VO: mild)
Bhelen: "Now, I will help when I can, but I must send what troops I have now to combat Jarvia and her so-called carta." (VO: firm) *GO TO TREE 6*

3. How can I help you take the throne?
Bhelen: "You have struck a blow against Harrowmont already, and I thank you for that. But there is another faction in play here." (VO: polite, pointed)
(IF: Dwarf_Commoner) Bhelen: "Your sister told me you have a history with Jarvia and the carta she runs." (VO: delicate) *Go to tree 6, line 4, line 5, line 6 and tree 5, line 3d*
Bhelen: "Have you heard of a woman named Jarvia, and the carta of criminals she runs?" (VO: pointed)
3a. The gang of casteless, yes. *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 6, line 6*
3b. No. Not really.
Bhelen: "They're a gang of criminals, mostly casteless, led by a repulsive slug of a woman named Jarvia. They've paid off numerous guardsmen to build their power." *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 6, line 6*
3c. I heard they're wiping the slate with your guardsmen. *Go to tree 6, line 6*
3d. What about them? *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 6, line 6*

(IF: Dwarf_Noble) 4. I thought you were such a strong ruler, Bhelen.
Bhelen: "I can hold my throne, thank you. But I cannot hold it and send the troops you need. Or do you take back that request?" (VO: pointed)
Bhelen: "I didn't think so." (VO: sly. slight pause before this line, as if raising his eyebrow, waiting for the lack of response from the pc.)
Bhelen: "Now, I will help when I can, but I must send what troops I have now to combat Jarvia and her so-called carta." (VO: firm) *GO TO TREE 6*

TREE 6
1. Who?
Bhelen: "They're a gang of criminals, mostly casteless, led by a repulsive slug of a woman named Jarvia. They've paid off numerous guardsmen to build their power." (VO: disgusted, like he's talking about a pest)
Bhelen: "They know Orzammar is divided now and has no time for them. It's made them bold." (VO: calculating, scornful)
Bhelen: "If I show the city I can eliminate such a threat... Well, let's just say my position would be stronger." (VO: sly) *GO TO TREE 7*

2. Is the carta that powerful?
Bhelen: "They know Orzammar is divided now and has no time for them. It's made them bold." (VO: calculating, scornful)
Bhelen: "If I show the city I can eliminate such a threat... Well, let's just say my position would be stronger." (VO: sly) *GO TO TREE 7*

3. I saw Jarvia's men threatening a merchant.
Bhelen: "They know Orzammar is divided now and has no time for them. It's made them bold." (VO: calculating, scornful)
Bhelen: "If I show the city I can eliminate such a threat... Well, let's just say my position would be stronger." (VO: sly) *GO TO TREE 7*

(IF: Dwarf_Commoner) 4. Now there's a name I never wanted to hear again.
Bhelen: "Your sister told me of your... past run-ins with Jarvia." (VO: delicate, trying to put it politely)
Bhelen: "She took over Beraht's carta after you left, and expanded his operations remarkably. From what Rica says, I doubt Jarvia remembers you fondly." (VO: hinting) *Go to tree 6, line 6, tree 7, line 3*

(IF: Dwarf_Commoner) 5. If you're talking about killing Jarvia, I want in! *Go to tree 7, line 3*

6. I heard they're wiping the slate with your guardsmen.
Bhelen: "They know Orzammar is divided now and has no time for them. It's made them bold." (VO: calculating, scornful)
Bhelen: "If I show the city I can eliminate such a threat... Well, let's just say my position would be stronger." (VO: sly) *GO TO TREE 7*

TREE 7
1. What if I took them out for you?
Bhelen: "If you can eliminate them, I promise as king, I will send as many troops as you need to fight the darkspawn." (VO: confident)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking) *Go to tree 5, line 1a, 1b, 1c*

2. And let me guess, you want my help.
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Isn't that what you're offering? If you eliminate Jarvia and her thugs, I'll do my best to honor that treaty you're so sweet on." (VO: sly, making himself sound reasonable)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking) *Go to tree 5, line 1a, 1b, 1c*

(IF: Dwarf_Commoner) 3. If you're talking about killing Jarvia, I want in!
Bhelen: "I love how you jump straight to the point. Yes. I want Jarvia dead and her carta wiped out." (VO: pleased, but a little condescending)
Bhelen: "It would boost my popularity to be known as the one who eliminated her. And I could promise you the troops you need." (VO: pointed -- this is a ******-for-tat arrangement)
Bhelen: "I would offer to help, but I imagine you know Dust Town far better than I do." (VO: dismissive) *Go to tree 5, line 1a and 1b*

4. Just point me at them and your trouble's over.
Bhelen: "Your eagerness is charming. If you can do as you say, you will have the troops you need the moment I take the throne." (VO: sly, making himself sound reasonable)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking) *Go to tree 5, line 1a, 1b, 1c*

5. Why haven't you been able to take her out before?
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Her roots are deep in Dust Town, and there are too many guardsmen in her pocket for me to dig her out right now." (VO: with hatred, like he's talking about a pest)
Bhelen: "And frankly, until Father's death, she kept her depravity focused on other brands, so no one cared. Now they're attacking honest men." (VO: dismissive)
5a. What do I get in return? *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 7, line 1*
5b. Just point me at them and your trouble's over. *Go to tree 7, line 4*
5c. I'll look into it, that's all I can promise. *Go to tree 5, line 1b*

(IF: Dwarf_Noble_Male) 6. If I help you, I want you to help my son.
(IF: Persuaded) Bhelen: "Your son? What are you-- Oh, that's rich. You're talking about that casteless girl, aren't you?" (VO: amused, smirking)
Bhelen: "The one that came around claiming an Aeducan son. That was yours? I never figured you for that sort of man." (VO: amused that his brother has vices)
Bhelen: "But put me on the throne and I'll give the **** and her brat the Aeducan name, and a lovely room in the smallest palace." (VO: offhand, condescending)
(Continues onto asking if player will help with Jarvia or not)
(IF: Not_persuaded) Bhelen: "Your son? What are you-- Oh. Oh, that's rich. You're talking about that casteless girl who came around claiming to have an Aeducan son." (VO: amused, smirking)
Bhelen: "Well, Brother, I can't agree to raise a condemned criminal's casteless brat into House Aeducan." (VO: enjoying insulting the player)
Bhelen: "Perhaps if you help me regain the throne, I'll reconsider. But I can't make any promises before then." (VO: condescending, insulting)
(Continues onto asking if player will help with Jarvia or not)

(IF: Player_Or_Alistair_Is_King) 7. You would ask the king of Ferelden to hunt down pickpockets?
Bhelen: "I'd never ask for such a thing, but if you do eliminate Jarvia and her thugs, you would have my gratitude." (VO: sly, making himself sound reasonable)
Bhelen: "If you can eliminate them, I promise as king, I will send as many troops as you need to fight the darkspawn." (VO: confident)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking) *Go to tree 5, line 1a, 1b, 1c*

And how can you hate Harrowmont as a DN? Sure, he's useless as a King but he's the one to throw you at the GW. If not for him, you never would have known they were down there and would have simply died.  Plus, you know, he's King w/out the Anvil you've got a great chance for the throne yourself.

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Sarah1281 wrote...
And how can you hate Harrowmont as a DN? Sure, he's useless as a King but he's the one to throw you at the GW. If not for him, you never would have known they were down there and would have simply died.  Plus, you know, he's King w/out the Anvil you've got a great chance for the throne yourself.


He's as bad as Behlen is, Behlen just doesn't bother to hide it. 

I don't like his whole "Traditions!" thing.

You may be made King, but only after he's done the damage.

Why do you think all the best Dwarven endings are when Behlen is made King? Behlen does what he has to do and will do whatever it takes to do it, he will drag Orzammar kicking and screaming into a new age if it wants it or not.

Orzammer under Harrowment is doomed to a slow death.

I was wrong about Behlen respecting you, but that doesn't mean your DN doesn't respect him.

PC: You have to respect Bhelen's ability to play the game.
Gorim: He's more clever than either of us ever thought. (Disbelief at having been played.)

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oh man reading the entire Bhelen dialogues again makes me want Missa to hate him and write him as a conniving bastard. And LOL at Rica thinking Bhelen cried into her bosom over his dad, yeahhhhhhhhhh right.

wait wait what thread am I in I'm confused THIS IS ZEV THREAD **** I NEED SOME BOOBS AND/OR SMUT HERE I AM CONFUSED.

oh mannnnn if zev thread and dwarf thread merge my little bioware world WILL EXPLODE.

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You may be made King, but only after he's done the damage.



Why do you think all the best Dwarven endings are when Behlen is made King? Behlen does what he has to do and will do whatever it takes to do it, he will drag Orzammar kicking and screaming into a new age if it wants it or not.

All the no-anvil Harrowmont ending says is that he can't make the Assembly do anything but increase isolation from the surface and soon dies, after which the Assembly starts looking for another successor. That's hardly 'disastrous.' It's just useless and he won't be around for long anyway.



oh man reading the entire Bhelen dialogues again makes me want Missa to hate him and write him as a conniving bastard. And LOL at Rica thinking Bhelen cried into her bosom over his dad, yeahhhhhhhhhh right.

I'd like to believe that this is tru and that she'll tell you all about it in explicit details at some point.

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I think there is a really amusing hurt/comfort fic with Rica and Bhelen that is just dying to be written.




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soignee wrote...
wait wait what thread am I in I'm confused THIS IS ZEV THREAD **** I NEED SOME BOOBS AND/OR SMUT HERE I AM CONFUSED.


Let me refer you to pages 1017 and 1018

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Radahldo wrote...

I think there is a really amusing hurt/comfort fic with Rica and Bhelen that is just dying to be written.

I wrote one that was difficult to get through do to the sheer amount of BS Bhelen was spewing but there were sadly no tears...Someone should get on that.

And good idea, soignee wasn't there for that anyway.

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Far to many posts to play catch up on, so..A good mornin/evenin/whatever time it is'in to all of ya..

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MorGothic wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
And how can you hate Harrowmont as a DN? Sure, he's useless as a King but he's the one to throw you at the GW. If not for him, you never would have known they were down there and would have simply died.  Plus, you know, he's King w/out the Anvil you've got a great chance for the throne yourself.


He's as bad as Behlen is, Behlen just doesn't bother to hide it. 

I don't like his whole "Traditions!" thing.

You may be made King, but only after he's done the damage.

Why do you think all the best Dwarven endings are when Behlen is made King? Behlen does what he has to do and will do whatever it takes to do it, he will drag Orzammar kicking and screaming into a new age if it wants it or not.

Orzammer under Harrowment is doomed to a slow death.

I was wrong about Behlen respecting you, but that doesn't mean your DN doesn't respect him.

PC: You have to respect Bhelen's ability to play the game.
Gorim: He's more clever than either of us ever thought. (Disbelief at having been played.)


I agree with you, up to a point.
I'm playing as a dwarf for the first time (DNF) and avoid looking at conversations in the toolset so I can get surprises in the game. I went into Orzammar determined to support Harrowmont but, instead, I listened to Zevran. 

I was conflicted about which way I'd go because while my DNF hates Bhelen she has no respect for Harrowmont.

OTOH, she is her father's daughter and believes House Aeducan should keep the throne. That doesn't mean she believes Bhelen Aeducan should have it though :lol: 

What I don't agree with is that Orzammar gets a better ending if Bhelen is on the throne. On the face of it, Bhelen wants to free the castless. My DN had the option to support Lord Dace to get surface dwarves reinstated & it was clear that doing so would have financial implications for the noble houses. I prefer to think Bhelen is not magnanimous towards the castless but sees this as a way of weakening the noble houses and making it easier for him to control them. Long-term, weakening the noble houses could have catastrophic results for Orzammar. The ending implies that this is the case, that while Orzammar initially benefited economically it ends up with a tyrant ruling and the nobles essentially powerless. 

This, of course, would all benefit my DN who is already plotting the overthrow of her little brother :innocent:

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Elps wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
And how can you hate Harrowmont as a DN? Sure, he's useless as a King but he's the one to throw you at the GW. If not for him, you never would have known they were down there and would have simply died.  Plus, you know, he's King w/out the Anvil you've got a great chance for the throne yourself.


He's as bad as Behlen is, Behlen just doesn't bother to hide it. 

I don't like his whole "Traditions!" thing.

You may be made King, but only after he's done the damage.

Why do you think all the best Dwarven endings are when Behlen is made King? Behlen does what he has to do and will do whatever it takes to do it, he will drag Orzammar kicking and screaming into a new age if it wants it or not.

Orzammer under Harrowment is doomed to a slow death.

I was wrong about Behlen respecting you, but that doesn't mean your DN doesn't respect him.

PC: You have to respect Bhelen's ability to play the game.
Gorim: He's more clever than either of us ever thought. (Disbelief at having been played.)


I agree with you, up to a point.
I'm playing as a dwarf for the first time (DNF) and avoid looking at conversations in the toolset so I can get surprises in the game. I went into Orzammar determined to support Harrowmont but, instead, I listened to Zevran. 

I was conflicted about which way I'd go because while my DNF hates Bhelen she has no respect for Harrowmont.

OTOH, she is her father's daughter and believes House Aeducan should keep the throne. That doesn't mean she believes Bhelen Aeducan should have it though :lol: 

What I don't agree with is that Orzammar gets a better ending if Bhelen is on the throne. On the face of it, Bhelen wants to free the castless. My DN had the option to support Lord Dace to get surface dwarves reinstated & it was clear that doing so would have financial implications for the noble houses. I prefer to think Bhelen is not magnanimous towards the castless but sees this as a way of weakening the noble houses and making it easier for him to control them. Long-term, weakening the noble houses could have catastrophic results for Orzammar. The ending implies that this is the case, that while Orzammar initially benefited economically it ends up with a tyrant ruling and the nobles essentially powerless. 

This, of course, would all benefit my DN who is already plotting the overthrow of her little brother :innocent:


The castless are just a politlical piece in Behlen's game, he doesn't care about them at all. I doubt he choose Rica for any other reason then the fact she is castless (have not played DC so I could be wrong).

The problem is a tyrant is what Orzammer needs, the Assembly is Ozammer biggest problem, every little thing is argued over, with each house looking to gain more power/money/whatever then the others.

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MorGothic wrote...
The castless are just a politlical piece in Behlen's game, he doesn't care about them at all. I doubt he choose Rica for any other reason then the fact she is castless (have not played DC so I could be wrong).

The problem is a tyrant is what Orzammer needs, the Assembly is Ozammer biggest problem, every little thing is argued over, with each house looking to gain more power/money/whatever then the others.

Yes, he's pretty much just employing Rica as a noble hunter so he can have an heir without needing to get married just yet.

Orzammar doesn't need to get rid of the Assembly. Bhelen institutes a lot of his reforms that ****** off the nobles and warriors pre-abolishment. A strong King like Bhelen or Endrin can get things done, even if the Assembly doesn't agree (although it's easier to work with them), it's only a compromiser like Harrowmont who can't. Bhelen dissolves the Assembly because the nobles keep trying to assassinate him and so he doesn't feel like playing nice with the other Houses anymore.

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Elps wrote...

I agree with you, up to a point.
I'm playing as a dwarf for the first time (DNF) and avoid looking at conversations in the toolset so I can get surprises in the game. I went into Orzammar determined to support Harrowmont but, instead, I listened to Zevran. 

I was conflicted about which way I'd go because while my DNF hates Bhelen she has no respect for Harrowmont.

OTOH, she is her father's daughter and believes House Aeducan should keep the throne. That doesn't mean she believes Bhelen Aeducan should have it though :lol: 

What I don't agree with is that Orzammar gets a better ending if Bhelen is on the throne. On the face of it, Bhelen wants to free the castless. My DN had the option to support Lord Dace to get surface dwarves reinstated & it was clear that doing so would have financial implications for the noble houses. I prefer to think Bhelen is not magnanimous towards the castless but sees this as a way of weakening the noble houses and making it easier for him to control them. Long-term, weakening the noble houses could have catastrophic results for Orzammar. The ending implies that this is the case, that while Orzammar initially benefited economically it ends up with a tyrant ruling and the nobles essentially powerless. 

This, of course, would all benefit my DN who is already plotting the overthrow of her little brother :innocent:

It's funny you mentioned your DN listening to Zevran about who to side with because I was just telling Sarah a while back (soignee, you were on vacation) that on my very first DA game, I played a DN and held off on returning to Orzammar for last. I really wanted to savor everything about my homecoming, having no idea what to expect. Bhelen had set me up to take the fall and I was certainly gunning for him when I came back. Without metagaming, I had no way of really knowing which candidate would be the best for Orzammar in the end. I couldn't wait to find Harrowmont because he had been the one to believe in my innocence, had sent Gorim to tell me about finding Duncan in the Deep Roads. When I found Gorim in Denerim, he had a message from my father about regrets and how he didn't want Bhelen to continue the throne. So all of that set me up for wanting to avenge the wrong that Bhelen had done to me. I was a little surprised and disappointed that none of my companions were commenting on unfortunate situation, not even in Orzammar. Until ... Zevran speaks up. He was practically sneering at me for siding with Harrowmont and I was just floored at his attitude. He was in my hometown and he was in my party because I spared his life and he wasn't showing any tact or respect to me at the time. I told him I wasn't siding with my brother and he was, meh, have it your way. It was the one time I threw him out of Orzammar.

I mean, I know he says that no matter which playthrough you're on. He is right in his assessment of Harrowmont. In that situation, it just came across as a sucker punch. =p I think they could have added a little more tact in his dialogue tree for speaking to a dwarf noble. I have games where I don't really care who I side with (since I'm not on a dwarf) so I often let him be the voice of reason. ;)

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My dears, my lovelies, I have pulled a jaw muscle (don't ask what I was doing), and I will be unable to eat, talk, work, etc. for at least tonight, until it's less excruciating. The keyboard is my only viable form of communication and my only sustenance will be the lulz you bring me.

... Is it bad that I read that and immediately thought something very NSFW had happened?

God I want this cold front to get its ass in gear and move through already! It should not be 80+ degrees in the first week of MAY!!!

Well, at least most of the singers at the bar last night could carry a tune... only a few made me want to gouge my eardrums out....

And I'm not touching DA:O till that 3.30 firmware screwup is fixed. I don't want to keep resetting the System, and potentially f*cking up the PS3. So, my brother gets to have fun with his games for as long as he wants. He's on a DMC4 kick, and that's fine. He's been b*tching at the Bloody Palace, but he always b*tches about something in his games. It's fun watching him kill shyte over and over.