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[SurrealSadi]

Oh wow. That is an amazing piece of art, taralqua!

Ooh, yay! More Zev-art from Aimo!

And rooster82 did another comic page

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 04 mai 2010 - 11:05 .

[Tellervo]

Anyone else notice some weirdness with the forums lately? Internal links messing up? Page counts being wrong?

[Tellervo]

It was simply a failure to communicate here. I'm not pissed at all. Webbed... I can't speak for.



In Zevran news: anyone have access to the toolset right now? I need Zevran's dialogue back in camp if he leaves the Taliesin encounter. I can wait a few hours and dig it out myself when I'm at home... but I've found a cure for my boredom, and this is part of the prescription.

[sami jo]

Tellervo wrote...

Anyone else notice some weirdness with the forums lately? Internal links messing up? Page counts being wrong?

Lots of weirdness lately.  It keeps eating my login.

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, it's awfully quiet around here lately... Though right now I'm hating on the toolset, here you go! I'll just do the responses dealing with him leaving.

Zevran: Taliesen is dead, I assume. He must be, or you would not have returned. Then it is true... I am free of the Crows. (grim -- Taliesen was once a friend of his)
Zevran: They will assume that I am dead along with Taliesen. So long as I do not make my presence known to them, they will not seek me out. (grim)

Warden: You should have stayed and fought.
Zevran: Believe it or not, despite my feelings about the Crows in general I had no argument with Taliesen in specific. (grim -- he regrets killing Taliesen)
Zevran: He was a good friend whose only fault lie in his priorities. I had no wish to fight him, and truly I would have preferred he not come after us at all. But what is done is done. (grim, regretful)

Two choices here don't lead to the standard: I suppose I could leave now blah blah blah

1st:
Warden: A good friend, was he?
Zevran: He was. And more. But there is no need to relive the past. That is all behind me, now. (grim, "and more" meaning he was once Zevran's lover)

2nd:
Warden: But you let me face him.
Zevran: On the contrary, I let him face you. And I knew he would lose. It was his choice, but that is all done, now. (grim, note that he is correcting the player here -- he let Taliesen face the player, not the other way around. So "him" and "you" should be punched.)

these both lead to the: "I suppose it would be possible for me to leave now..."

There's a few differences in the beginning as well, there's no VO notes here:

Taliesen: And so here is the mighty Grey Warden at long last. The Crows send their greetings, once again.
Zevran: So they sent you, Taliesen? Or did you volunteer for the job?
Taliesen: I volunteered, of course. When I heard that the great Zevran had gone rogue, I simply had to see it for myself.
Zevran: Is that so? Well here I am, in the flesh.
Taliesen: You can return with me, Zevran. I know why you did this, and I don't blame you. It's not too late. Come back and we'll make up a story. Anyone can make a mistake.

This response leads to Zevran staying and fighting no matter what.
Warden: Zevran doesn't need the Crows any longer. 

These responses, he'll leave:
Warden: Of course I'd need to be dead, first.
Zevran: And that's not likely to happen.

OR
Warden: Fine. I'll kill you all, if you prefer.
Zevran: Oh, I'm not trying it a second time, trust me.

OR:
Warden: Don't listen to him, Zevran!
Zevran: Do not worry. I am not about to return to the loving arms of the Crows, believe me.

These all go to:
Zevran: You are going to lose, Taliesen. You are going to lose badly. You should have stayed in Antiva.
Taliesen: What? You've gone soft in the head! The Crows will make you pray for death, you fool!
Zevran: Perhaps they will at that. But I'll take what time I have. You have a choice, Taliesen... all of you do.
Taliesen: Traitor!
Zevran: I won't fight against you, Taliesen... We were friends once, and more. But I will leave you to your fate. Good luck.

ACTION: Zevran leaves, half of the assassins also run  off. The fight begins

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 01:24 .

[SurrealSadi]

Wow. I've gotten him to walk away from the encounter with Taliesen, but I must have been picking the wrong conversation choices.... *headdesks, cause she can't play till that 3.30 f*ckup is fixed*

[ejoslin]

I put the beginning of the conversation up as well, but it's awaiting the edit fairy to take over!

[Sarah1281]

Calian would have been confirmed with the Landsmeet because he was the son of King Maric. It was a formality or ceremony if you will. 

I love what he says in response to this line if he stays. I was just pointing out the obvious and then Zevran got all protective and said "And I am not about to let that happen." Even when I wasn't romancing him it was just so sweet!

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Calian would have been confirmed with the Landsmeet because he was the son of King Maric. It was a formality or ceremony if you will. 

I love what he says in response to this line if he stays. I was just pointing out the obvious and then Zevran got all protective and said "And I am not about to let that happen." Even when I wasn't romancing him it was just so sweet!

His "warm" responses there are definitely nicer (they're the same as his "adore lines") than the lines he gives at "interested" and "care."

[sami jo]

Weird request of the night. Does anyone have a good close up screenie of Zev's face both in profile and head on? I'm about to go trolling the internets, but I'm a little fried.

[SurrealSadi]

sami jo wrote...

Weird request of the night. Does anyone have a good close up screenie of Zev's face both in profile and head on? I'm about to go trolling the internets, but I'm a little fried.

PS3, so no screenies, sadly.

[Aroihkin]

soignee wrote...

I can play male toons etc, but on the internets and in forums and such I try not to hide behind them anymore. I went through a spat of playing obnoxiously male toons in WoW, but I wanted to be srsbzns about playing the game mechanics and not the social side and wanted people to take my RAID SKILLZ SRS, especially since I was doing something as manly as tanking.
I don't do the duplicity thing amymore, however, since IRL I identify myself as a girl. Got the t*ts and everything.

MUSHes aren't mmos, where you "play" a character a-la roleplaying in Dragon Age. These were roleplay games, as in a paragraph of text from each person in the room in order to tell the tory of what's going on in said room. All anyone had to go off of was text, method of description, etcetera, and a name. And whatever was said in the OOC chat, which wasn't anything to do with RL generally.

I mostly played Tannusen -- or T'nnusen, as the case may be -- and people on that particular type of game are very weird about people playing the other gender, even if you never TS (translation: write smut) with anyone. Which I didn't except for with one person who I knew from other games anyway. They get even worse about guys playing chicks, for some stupid reason.

What really confused them was when I started playing Alleyana openly as my alt, putting me at one convincing guy and one chick. Some still assumed I was a guy, some decided I was a girl, but because I never confirmed either way I avoided getting (most of) the sh*t. I never called myself by one in particular; I switched pronouns in OOC depending on who I was playing as well, as is actually standard to do on a MUSH even if your gender is known.

The only thing I did to go out of my way to make it more ambiguous was I adjusted my writing style a little, depending on who I was playing, making it so that I had no real "tells" either way. There's a whole artform to spotting someone's RL gender on those games, and a lot of subtleties to it. Guys tend to describe things in a different order than chicks, linger on different details, etcetera. Since I adjusted depending on the character, people really had no idea. Many didn't realize those two half-sibling characters were the same player, despite my openly stating as such, same login times on the WHO list, etc. I even linked the @doing's to each other by having one continue a lyric from the other one.

Folks only started to decide I was a chick when I became part of the OOC leadership of Fort Weyr, and I used Alleyana as my tag for offiical matters. If I'd chosen Tannu, they'd have decided I was actually male. I decided to use Alley so that I could still RP Tannu reasonably unmollested by "hurr hurr, you run Fort!" drama, espcially during search cycles.

Mentally, which is all of my RL self that counts anymore, my status is "generally indifferent". I honestly don't care what gender I'm seen as, and it's not me "hiding" behind anything, or being duplicitous. I have girl "parts", but I'd be perfectly content to set them on a shelf and let them collect dust off of me. I interact with two whole humans on a face-to-face basis, and none of us in this house treat one another according to gender, or the other two would smack them. If I come off as brittle, or bitter, or over-sensitive at times, it's my illness at work, not my gender. I came off no such way before I started having to grapple with the idea of dying much sooner than anticipated, and never getting to do the things I always wanted to do even in the meantime due to my new limitations.

I just figured I'd say as much, not liking certain implications. Sorry if that's TL;DR for folks, or TMI. Different sub-cultures, different rules. But so long as people insist on treating others a certain way based on their gender on the internets, there will be folks who are more comfortable with ambiguity... I didn't like getting treated as a fresh slab of meat who had better hop-to on command by all the chicks on the game when they all thought I was a guy, either.

Most of my interaction with folks in the last several years has been on those MUSHes. And if "Aroihkin" wasn't known to be a female writer already, or I'd
registered under another name, I probably would have kept myself
reasonably vague here out of habit as well.

Tellervo wrote...

The pic from the top:

Yeah, I saw this this morning and instantly recognised who it was even in the thumbnail! Very good work, that.

[Mscheveous]

Thank you so much ejoslin for the updated dlg file. I for one really apprecite all the hard work you do for us with the MODS.

Of course thank Charsen and Avaraen for the original MOD files as well..I just loves them!

[Aroihkin]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, it's awfully quiet around here lately... Though right now I'm hating on the toolset, here you go! I'll just do the responses dealing with him leaving.

These responses, he'll leave:
Warden: Of course I'd need to be dead, first.
Zevran: And that's not likely to happen.

OR
Warden: Fine. I'll kill you all, if you prefer.
Zevran: Oh, I'm not trying it a second time, trust me.

OR:
Warden: Don't listen to him, Zevran!
Zevran: Do not worry. I am not about to return to the loving arms of the Crows, believe me.

These all go to:
Zevran: You are going to lose, Taliesen. You are going to lose badly. You should have stayed in Antiva.
Taliesen: What? You've gone soft in the head! The Crows will make you pray for death, you fool!
Zevran: Perhaps they will at that. But I'll take what time I have. You have a choice, Taliesen... all of you do.
Taliesen: Traitor!
Zevran: I won't fight against you, Taliesen... We were friends once, and more. But I will leave you to your fate. Good luck.

ACTION: Zevran leaves, half of the assassins also run  off. The fight begins

Ooh, I've never gotten him to leave before in-game, hee, I like that dialogue a lot. o.o I'll have to drop his approval a bit the next time...



Edit:

SurrealSadi wrote...

sami jo wrote...

Weird
request of the night. Does anyone have a good close up screenie of
Zev's face both in profile and head on? I'm about to go trolling the
internets, but I'm a little fried.

PS3, so no screenies,
sadly.

These are from when I was trying to make him in Aion, but there's a weird fish-eye effect going on in the camera. And my graphics suck. Still, if they're at all useful:





Dunno if those are any help. XD

Modifié par Aroihkin, 05 mai 2010 - 02:21 .

[Sarah1281]

There's a whole artform to spotting someone's RL gender on those games, and a lot of subtleties to it. Guys tend to describe things in a different order than chicks, linger on different details, etcetera. Since I adjusted depending on the character, people really had no idea.

People will decide on the strangest things as tells, though. I don't remember how this came up, but you would not BELIEVE the number of people who deduced that I was a guy because I used the phrase 'got her period' instead of 'had her period.' Apparently all males use the first and all females use the second with no exceptions. I was like 'have you people even looked at my username? I'm not being sublte!' Some people...

[SurrealSadi]

Sarah1281 wrote...

There's a whole artform to spotting someone's RL gender on those games, and a lot of subtleties to it. Guys tend to describe things in a different order than chicks, linger on different details, etcetera. Since I adjusted depending on the character, people really had no idea.

People will decide on the strangest things as tells, though. I don't remember how this came up, but you would not BELIEVE the number of people who deduced that I was a guy because I used the phrase 'got her period' instead of 'had her period.' Apparently all males use the first and all females use the second with no exceptions. I was like 'have you people even looked at my username? I'm not being sublte!' Some people...

.....Wow. Really? I must be a guy then, because I use "got my period" all the time.

[Aroihkin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

There's a whole artform to spotting someone's RL gender on those games, and a lot of subtleties to it. Guys tend to describe things in a different order than chicks, linger on different details, etcetera. Since I adjusted depending on the character, people really had no idea.

People will decide on the strangest things as tells, though. I don't remember how this came up, but you would not BELIEVE the number of people who deduced that I was a guy because I used the phrase 'got her period' instead of 'had her period.' Apparently all males use the first and all females use the second with no exceptions. I was like 'have you people even looked at my username? I'm not being sublte!' Some people...

If you were completely ambiguous in username and said that, it'd be a small tell. A single turn of phrase does not a gender make, however. On these MUSHes people would try to figure you out over a several-month period, or even several-year. XD

I gave them fits.

Edit: Also note, if you played a "Sarah" you'd be assumed to be female. Male characters drew more scrutiny (god forbid that male bluerider be played by a girl!) and if you openly played alts -- which almost no one did -- and one was one gender and the other was the other, you made brains explode. They just had to figure it out, it was oh-so relevant!

Modifié par Aroihkin, 05 mai 2010 - 02:28 .

[Sarah1281]

If you were completely ambiguous in username and said that, it'd be a small tell. A single turn of phrase does not a gender make, however. On these MUSHes people would try to figure you out over a several-month period, or even several-year. XD

Why is it even a tell to begin with? It seems kind of strange...

[ejoslin]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

There's a whole artform to spotting someone's RL gender on those games, and a lot of subtleties to it. Guys tend to describe things in a different order than chicks, linger on different details, etcetera. Since I adjusted depending on the character, people really had no idea.

People will decide on the strangest things as tells, though. I don't remember how this came up, but you would not BELIEVE the number of people who deduced that I was a guy because I used the phrase 'got her period' instead of 'had her period.' Apparently all males use the first and all females use the second with no exceptions. I was like 'have you people even looked at my username? I'm not being sublte!' Some people...

.....Wow. Really? I must be a guy then, because I use "got my period" all the time.

Heh, I don't say either.  I say I'm "on my period." It must be a dialect thing.

Edit: Though I honestly don't discuss it very often in any event.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 02:38 .

[sami jo]

@Aro: Thanks. It's a good start.

[Tellervo]

Ah, yes, the "I must know your gender so I can fall in twue nerd wuv on the intertubes" game. Reveals the bigot in the best of us when they finally get an answer, and it's not what they wanted.  Tip: neither/nor is never the right answer.

Modifié par Tellervo, 05 mai 2010 - 02:40 .

[SurrealSadi]

ejoslin wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

There's a whole artform to spotting someone's RL gender on those games, and a lot of subtleties to it. Guys tend to describe things in a different order than chicks, linger on different details, etcetera. Since I adjusted depending on the character, people really had no idea.

People will decide on the strangest things as tells, though. I don't remember how this came up, but you would not BELIEVE the number of people who deduced that I was a guy because I used the phrase 'got her period' instead of 'had her period.' Apparently all males use the first and all females use the second with no exceptions. I was like 'have you people even looked at my username? I'm not being sublte!' Some people...

.....Wow. Really? I must be a guy then, because I use "got my period" all the time.

Heh, I don't say either.  I say I'm "on my period." It must be a dialect thing.

Edit: Though I honestly don't discuss it very often in any event.

Must be dialect. I grew up in the Philadelphia suburbs, and our accent and dialect is pretty distinct.

[sami jo]

I generally don't make my gender known, though obviously I have here. Amusingly enough, I am usually taken for a man, even by people who have known me online for years.

[Nonvita]

I'm a girl. In RL and online. No sense hiding it. Especially not when hitting on random internet boys (some of whom are really girls >.>).