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[Cuddlezarro]

soignee wrote...

your shepshep looks like Alexander, lulz

not really expecially ingame


he looks like a paler more scarred up version of Charsens shep actually

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 05 mai 2010 - 05:43 .

[Sannox]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, it's awfully quiet around here lately... Though right now I'm hating on the toolset, here you go! I'll just do the responses dealing with him leaving.

Zevran: Taliesen is dead, I assume. He must be, or you would not have returned. Then it is true... I am free of the Crows. (grim -- Taliesen was once a friend of his)
Zevran: They will assume that I am dead along with Taliesen. So long as I do not make my presence known to them, they will not seek me out. (grim)

Warden: You should have stayed and fought.
Zevran: Believe it or not, despite my feelings about the Crows in general I had no argument with Taliesen in specific. (grim -- he regrets killing Taliesen)
Zevran: He was a good friend whose only fault lie in his priorities. I had no wish to fight him, and truly I would have preferred he not come after us at all. But what is done is done. (grim, regretful)

Two choices here don't lead to the standard: I suppose I could leave now blah blah blah

1st:
Warden: A good friend, was he?
Zevran: He was. And more. But there is no need to relive the past. That is all behind me, now. (grim, "and more" meaning he was once Zevran's lover)

2nd:
Warden: But you let me face him.
Zevran: On the contrary, I let him face you. And I knew he would lose. It was his choice, but that is all done, now. (grim, note that he is correcting the player here -- he let Taliesen face the player, not the other way around. So "him" and "you" should be punched.)

these both lead to the: "I suppose it would be possible for me to leave now..."

There's a few differences in the beginning as well, there's no VO notes here:

Taliesen: And so here is the mighty Grey Warden at long last. The Crows send their greetings, once again.
Zevran: So they sent you, Taliesen? Or did you volunteer for the job?
Taliesen: I volunteered, of course. When I heard that the great Zevran had gone rogue, I simply had to see it for myself.
Zevran: Is that so? Well here I am, in the flesh.
Taliesen: You can return with me, Zevran. I know why you did this, and I don't blame you. It's not too late. Come back and we'll make up a story. Anyone can make a mistake.

This response leads to Zevran staying and fighting no matter what.
Warden: Zevran doesn't need the Crows any longer. 

These responses, he'll leave:
Warden: Of course I'd need to be dead, first.
Zevran: And that's not likely to happen.

OR
Warden: Fine. I'll kill you all, if you prefer.
Zevran: Oh, I'm not trying it a second time, trust me.

OR:
Warden: Don't listen to him, Zevran!
Zevran: Do not worry. I am not about to return to the loving arms of the Crows, believe me.

These all go to:
Zevran: You are going to lose, Taliesen. You are going to lose badly. You should have stayed in Antiva.
Taliesen: What? You've gone soft in the head! The Crows will make you pray for death, you fool!
Zevran: Perhaps they will at that. But I'll take what time I have. You have a choice, Taliesen... all of you do.
Taliesen: Traitor!
Zevran: I won't fight against you, Taliesen... We were friends once, and more. But I will leave you to your fate. Good luck.

ACTION: Zevran leaves, half of the assassins also run  off. The fight begins

Thank you for all this!  I will save it.   I always seem to start the romance early and build up approval early, so there's no way for me to get this dialogue without playing through most of a game.  (I suppose I could go to a pre-Landsmeet save and lower his approval.  I might do that).

[Sarah1281]

Thank you for all this! I will save it. I always seem to start the romance early and build up approval early, so there's no way for me to get this dialogue without playing through most of a game. (I suppose I could go to a pre-Landsmeet save and lower his approval. I might do that).

There's always feastday gifts/trying to make him leave.

[Sannox]

Oh yes, Sarah, I've had a lot of fun with the feastday stuff.   That's how I worked out the approval changes for the earring gift - by using pranks and tent time to edge it up and down.   I have a pre-Taliesin save but I'd have to go back further to allow me to get to camp and pick up the pranks.   And I'd have to go right back to get a never-romanced Zevran.    I do want to give it a go some time, because it would be interesting to develop a romance after killing Taliesin.  

There is a lot you can miss out on.  Even just with choosing the dialogue options - we've talked here before about some of the interesting things he says if you choose a more negative response in conversation.   Some of those things are really worth hearing.

One that I came across by mistake was his response (he was at 100 adore), when you say to Taliesin that you'll kill them all.  I thought it meant my character would kill Taliesin and the Crows.   No, it's actually a threat to kill Zevran as well.   He says quite softly, something like 'There's no need.  I did not come here to betray you', then he fights at your side,and still wants to stay with you until death and still offers the earring.  He's very forgiving of your lack of trust, and your threat to kill him.

I might see if I can try to make him leave right at the Taliesin save and see what his approval drops to.  Thanks for that.  

Modifié par Sannox, 05 mai 2010 - 07:07 .

[Charsen]

Cuddlezarro wrote...
he looks like a paler more scarred up version of Charsens shep actually

yeah, a little






yes, a hetero romance.... no options there. and yes, i chose tali because she's an engineer too. and i wanted to see under her mask. at least they can talk about engineer stuff cuz there aint much else happening.


blurry due to xbox. =P 

[SurrealSadi]

From the Game crashing after PS3 3.30 Firmware Update thread, about 2 hrs ago:

Fernando Melo wrote...

Thanks for your patience with all of this.

Since
this happened, we've pulled additional programmers from the main game
teams to help on this and have been running several parallel
investigations non-stop to find potential solutions from our end, as
well as continuing to work with Sony for both dev support and other
options.

Thanks to the great feedback on here and from those
folks we've been in contact with directly, the team now thinks we've
been able to find a code-side workaround from our end to patch DA to
play nicer with firmware 3.3, which was one of our investigation
threads.

At this time I still don't have a date estimate for a
DA patch with this fix however, and unfortunately we do not believe
there is a manual workaround for this (one of the other threads we're
investigating).

We are currently testing this proposed code
change as I write this, and if successful the next step will be for it
to go into EA's publisher side certification testing. They are aware of
the importance of this and will give this priority in the queue of
titles/patches across EA. And once that clears, it will go into Sony
cert testing.

Sorry, wish I had better news to offer already -
but progress is being made and I'll continue to update as we know more.

So, this means we won't get the patch till... July.

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 05 mai 2010 - 06:29 .

[Tellervo]

SurrealSadi wrote...

From the Game crashing after PS3 3.30 Firmware Update thread, about 2 hrs ago:

Fernando Melo wrote...

Thanks for your patience with all of this.

Since
this happened, we've pulled additional programmers from the main game
teams to help on this and have been running several parallel
investigations non-stop to find potential solutions from our end, as
well as continuing to work with Sony for both dev support and other
options.

Thanks to the great feedback on here and from those
folks we've been in contact with directly, the team now thinks we've
been able to find a code-side workaround from our end to patch DA to
play nicer with firmware 3.3, which was one of our investigation
threads.

At this time I still don't have a date estimate for a
DA patch with this fix however, and unfortunately we do not believe
there is a manual workaround for this (one of the other threads we're
investigating).

We are currently testing this proposed code
change as I write this, and if successful the next step will be for it
to go into EA's publisher side certification testing. They are aware of
the importance of this and will give this priority in the queue of
titles/patches across EA. And once that clears, it will go into Sony
cert testing.

Sorry, wish I had better news to offer already -
but progress is being made and I'll continue to update as we know more.

So, this means we won't get the patch till... July.

At least you'll get it?  I had to download a mod to be able to play DA without crashing after installing Awakening, and I can hardly play Awakening at all.  Particle effects crash the game.  Everything's up to date.  Haven't heard anything about it, though.  I don't mean for this to sound bitter, I mean for it to sound hopeful.  They think they have a solution, after all, I imagine they'll implement it ASAP.  Sounds like Sony will be the hangup.

Modifié par Tellervo, 05 mai 2010 - 06:45 .

[Sannox]

July? That's bad news. It must be very frustrating for you (and all the others who are having problems).

[SurrealSadi]

Tellervo wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

From the Game crashing after PS3 3.30 Firmware Update thread, about 2 hrs ago:

Fernando Melo wrote...

Thanks for your patience with all of this.

Since
this happened, we've pulled additional programmers from the main game
teams to help on this and have been running several parallel
investigations non-stop to find potential solutions from our end, as
well as continuing to work with Sony for both dev support and other
options.

Thanks to the great feedback on here and from those
folks we've been in contact with directly, the team now thinks we've
been able to find a code-side workaround from our end to patch DA to
play nicer with firmware 3.3, which was one of our investigation
threads.

At this time I still don't have a date estimate for a
DA patch with this fix however, and unfortunately we do not believe
there is a manual workaround for this (one of the other threads we're
investigating).

We are currently testing this proposed code
change as I write this, and if successful the next step will be for it
to go into EA's publisher side certification testing. They are aware of
the importance of this and will give this priority in the queue of
titles/patches across EA. And once that clears, it will go into Sony
cert testing.

Sorry, wish I had better news to offer already -
but progress is being made and I'll continue to update as we know more.

So, this means we won't get the patch till... July.

At least you'll get it?  I had to download a mod to be able to play DA without crashing after installing Awakening, and I can hardly play Awakening at all.  Particle effects crash the game.  Everything's up to date.  Haven't heard anything about it, though.  I don't mean for this to sound bitter, I mean for it to sound hopeful.  They think they have a solution, after all, I imagine they'll implement it ASAP.  Sounds like Sony will be the hangup.

True... But knowing Sony, it will take as long as it took for PS3 players to get Ostagar to get this fix...

@Sannox: I'm assuming July, since Sony certifications take bloody forever. Unless we get lucky and Sony realizes it's a major issue and moves it through.

[Tellervo]

In my experience, if it's not a Final Fantasy game, Sony doesn't care. And now it seems they just don't care, period, with this new FF problem. They lost my loyalty when the PS3 came out.

@Elps: 1.03 is what's messing with my system as far as particle effects go.  I know I'm not the only person having this problem, and they're collecting data (I haven't had a crash recently because I can't make myself play Awakening, but I should so I can submit my data...), but I haven't heard anything yet, so.... tough crap for us, I guess.

Modifié par Tellervo, 05 mai 2010 - 06:55 .

[SurrealSadi]

Yeah, Sony seems less than helpful nowadays. You'd think they'd be trying to keep customers, not drive them away....

[Sannox]

webbedfeet wrote...

*REALLY re-lurks this time. The last thing I want is to destroy the atmosphere AGAIN. I'm sorry.*

I hope you don't (relurk).  I didn't get the impression that anybody was trying to cause offence in the whole discussion of what can be a touchy subject.  I was interested to read your opinions, as well as the opinions of of people who disagreed.  

(ETA: I think it's just so easy to inadvertently cause offence on the internet.  I'm just as guilty at accidently causing offence, or taking offence where none was intended, as anyone.  Come to think of it, I'm probably guilty of not taking offence when I didn't know it was meant as well, because I don't pick up on the intent very well!.)

And there is so much more to be said about Zevran.

Modifié par Sannox, 05 mai 2010 - 07:21 .

[I2edShift]

Holy SH*t! 1000 pages?

Wow.. anyways..
No idea where this threads at, and im not reading into what IS currently being said... Here's my take..

I am 100% straight guy, and from a female standpoint, I can understand many many things about Zev that would make him an appealing character to romance with.. I have not personally done it, as I've only played through Origins and Awakenings with the same character.. But heres my take..

(JUST from listening to the dialogue options of Zev, my character was in the +80 approval spectrum and had finished Zev's personal quest)

Zeveran comes off completely confident in himself, and actually has a sense of humor to him, with jokes here and there. Even if there little things that make you chuckle to yourself for a split second.. Yea, he's and elf, and he has an accent... He's a bit brazen, but its his character.. He also has some sophistication to him.. He has his man pants on.. He's confident and he's funny.. With a bit of sauve(spelling?) to him...

In contrast.. We have Alistair, who has all the romantic appeal of someone who's still in junior high.. In-experienced, unsure of himself, and bashful...
Put that in a real situation and you'll get the exact same result nine times out of ten... Is the girl gonna pick the guy who can flirt, make her laugh, and is comfortable in his own skin? Or is she gonna go date the pretty boy who stares at the ground, trips on words, and has no idea what he's doing? Easy choice.

My hint to guys? Take a few hints from Zev's character.. You'll get alonge ALLOT better with the girls if you do.. Trust me.

Modifié par I2edShift, 05 mai 2010 - 08:11 .

[SurrealSadi]

I2edShift wrote...

Holy SH*t! 1000 pages?

Wow.. anyways..
No idea where this threads at, and im not reading into what IS currently being said... Here's my take..

I am 100% straight guy, and from a female standpoint, I can understand many many things about Zev that would make him an appealing character to romance with.. I have not personally done it, as I've only played through Origins and Awakenings with the same character.. But heres my take..

(JUST from listening to the dialogue options of Zev, my character was in the +80 approval spectrum and had finished Zev's personal quest)

Zeveran comes off completely confident in himself, and actually has a sense of humor to him, with jokes here and there. Even if there little things that make you chuckle to yourself for a split second.. Yea, he's and elf, and he has an accent... He's a bit brazen, but its his character.. He also has some sophistication to him.. He has his man pants on.. He's confident and he's funny.. With a bit of sauve(spelling?) to him...

In contrast.. We have Alistair, who has all the romantic appeal of someone who's still in junior high.. In-experienced, unsure of himself, and bashful...
Put that in a real situation and you'll get the exact same result nine times out of ten... Is the girl gonna pick the guy who can flirt, make her laugh, and is comfortable in his own skin? Or is she gonna go date the pretty boy who stares at the ground, trips on words, and has no idea what he's doing? Easy choice.

My hint to guys? Take a few hints from Zev's character.. You'll get alonge ALLOT better with the girls if you do.. Trust me.

Wow. Very well put. You should stick around. We're a friendly bunch!

[Aroihkin]

SurrealSadi wrote...

I2edShift wrote...

Holy SH*t! 1000 pages?

Wow.. anyways..
No idea where this threads at, and im not reading into what IS currently being said... Here's my take..

I am 100% straight guy, and from a female standpoint, I can understand many many things about Zev that would make him an appealing character to romance with.. I have not personally done it, as I've only played through Origins and Awakenings with the same character.. But heres my take..

(JUST from listening to the dialogue options of Zev, my character was in the +80 approval spectrum and had finished Zev's personal quest)

Zeveran comes off completely confident in himself, and actually has a sense of humor to him, with jokes here and there. Even if there little things that make you chuckle to yourself for a split second.. Yea, he's and elf, and he has an accent... He's a bit brazen, but its his character.. He also has some sophistication to him.. He has his man pants on.. He's confident and he's funny.. With a bit of sauve(spelling?) to him...

In contrast.. We have Alistair, who has all the romantic appeal of someone who's still in junior high.. In-experienced, unsure of himself, and bashful...
Put that in a real situation and you'll get the exact same result nine times out of ten... Is the girl gonna pick the guy who can flirt, make her laugh, and is comfortable in his own skin? Or is she gonna go date the pretty boy who stares at the ground, trips on words, and has no idea what he's doing? Easy choice.

My hint to guys? Take a few hints from Zev's character.. You'll get alonge ALLOT better with the girls if you do.. Trust me.

Wow. Very well put. You should stick around. We're a friendly bunch!

Seconding this!

@Tell -- Thanks for the cake

[Mscheveous]

Welcome to Team Zevran, we are ridiculously awesome..

[Minaleth]

The Entire Goddamn Thread Contributors wrote...



Ok, here's the deal. Anyone/Everyone can copy and edit this list. Keep it snowballing.
Only rule: if the Zevthread in any way inspired the creation or continuation of a Zev-themed project, add it. (Mods made for Zevran but not inspired by this thread shouldn't be added, those go on Sresla's big list of Zev mods etc though!). =P

Can be... groups, mods, threads, fanfics, fanarts, blogs, whatever...this is what we will paste to the haters

Then when we're all good and happy let's stick it up on Sresla's group page and bring it out like crispy old photos of semi-naked grandchildren for Thanksgiving.

Links if ya got em.

The Worth of this Thread:

• Complete Zevran FAQ by Ejoslin
• Mods: ZevranASAP, ZevRING, EJoslin's Zevran Dialogue Fix, MorGothic's Many Headmorphs & now Face Tattoos, Gatekisses, Your Leliana Zevran Loop Fix, Ending Slide Show, City Elf Alienage Fix,Ruck...Zevran Changes
• Tutorials: Morgothic's Adding Face Tattoos as Presets, Module Making, Voice Generation FMOD, Morgothic's Toolset installation guide, Head morph guide, Intro to VO Dialogue Comments
• Fanart: Brosca's Missa Janet Jackson, Aimo's watercolor Zevran, Minaleth's Zevran reading book, Mina's Warden/Zev Necking + other fanart, Kaioku's Zevran&Alley, Chains by Kaioku (and WIP1, WIP2), Aroihkin's Angryzev Mark of death (+ many WIPs at forum), You Cannot Misplace Me by nitocris 
• Fanfic: Jenovan (+fanart by payroo), Soignee's Dead Duster, Aroihkin's "IO", Tellervo's "Chains", Sialater: The Rescue, Charnia, 
• Fanvideos: Sannox's Kisses, esjoslin's kisses
• Zevrinjection Friday: 4 weeks in a row and counting. [1], [2], [3], [4]
• Serious Discussions: Rinna, Taliesen, post-awakening carryover, Zevran's suicide attempt, love vs. business in the Crows, Dalish ancestry, why people kill off the assassin, Zevran fatherhood, ultimate sacrifice, Antivan society, height differences, race vs. species, healing mechanics, earring proposal, rape is not love, virginal love and so-called purity,
• Not so serious discussions: shipping, anime hate, Twilight hate,
• Discovery and sharing of VO notes which clarified the intended meaning of various lines, confirmed the nature of the relationship with Taliesen, etc.
• Source of help for fans of other LIs attempting to fix their character's dialogues the way Ejoslin has (Alistair and Morrigan)
• 3 Official Bioware Employee comments.
• Unique Memes to this thread: Soignee's Barrowhand, EJ's yellow eyes/EJ pwns Madonna, Alistair's creep eyes, Alistair's School of Kids Who Can't Read Or Write Good, Zevran's Kneepads, gardening as a euphemism for sex, elf ear fun, Swimsuit edition by Sarah, infamous page 666, Alicorn, Aro's Ford turned to Sextiva, page 1000, 
• Countless Friendships (and more?)

mostly corrected links and titles of fanart, some additions to Mems. I'm done for now.

Modifié par Minaleth, 05 mai 2010 - 09:27 .

[ejoslin]

Sannox wrote...

Oh yes, Sarah, I've had a lot of fun with the feastday stuff.   That's how I worked out the approval changes for the earring gift - by using pranks and tent time to edge it up and down.   I have a pre-Taliesin save but I'd have to go back further to allow me to get to camp and pick up the pranks.   And I'd have to go right back to get a never-romanced Zevran.    I do want to give it a go some time, because it would be interesting to develop a romance after killing Taliesin.  

There is a lot you can miss out on.  Even just with choosing the dialogue options - we've talked here before about some of the interesting things he says if you choose a more negative response in conversation.   Some of those things are really worth hearing.

One that I came across by mistake was his response (he was at 100 adore), when you say to Taliesin that you'll kill them all.  I thought it meant my character would kill Taliesin and the Crows.   No, it's actually a threat to kill Zevran as well.   He says quite softly, something like 'There's no need.  I did not come here to betray you', then he fights at your side,and still wants to stay with you until death and still offers the earring.  He's very forgiving of your lack of trust, and your threat to kill him.

I might see if I can try to make him leave right at the Taliesin save and see what his approval drops to.  Thanks for that.  

Sannox, I'll save you a little time (I hope).  The only difference between Zevran at warm and Zevran at adore is when you're at adore, you get the choice, "Zevran belongs with me now."  Everything else is exactly the same.  It's only when he's at "care" or "interested" that he may leave.

Edit: @ I2ndShift -- Welcome and stick around if you'd like.  Not everyone who posts here romances Zevran!  

Second edit: CZ, it's good seeing you!  So I take it ME2 is worth playing?  I should give it a try.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mai 2010 - 10:58 .

[Creature 1]

Anyone heard from Sabriana? Did she fall into the volcano??

[Minaleth]

Creature 1 wrote...

Anyone heard from Sabriana? Did she fall into the volcano??

I do not know but I miss her, she was chatty in euro chatty hours *sob*

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

Anyone heard from Sabriana? Did she fall into the volcano??

I haven't heard from her at all  I hope she's ok.

[soignee]

Minaleth wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Anyone heard from Sabriana? Did she fall into the volcano??

I do not know but I miss her, she was chatty in euro chatty hours *sob*

Mina, you'll have to make do with me noaw. I hope Sabrina is ok too

[Minaleth]

soignee wrote...

Minaleth wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Anyone heard from Sabriana? Did she fall into the volcano??

I do not know but I miss her, she was chatty in euro chatty hours *sob*

Mina, you'll have to make do with me noaw. I hope Sabrina is ok too

:3 Omg I hope we are not last, not that I don't enjoy your company (I DO!!) but it could end up in disastrous dwarven porn colab (written AND drawn) LOL <3