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[Nonvita]

soignee wrote...

garrus

also last one the night, looking at it later when not so sick of it.
http://pics.livejour...oe/pic/0007y2pp

Oh gorgeous! I love the tattoos you've got going on, and the way Missa's eyes really pop now. She has such a great expression.

Love it!

Edit: HAH. Picture already included.

Modifié par Nonvita, 10 mai 2010 - 05:08 .

[Sannox]

I love the way the picture is coming on, Soignee.

[ejoslin]

dream_operator23 wrote...

If you never take any of the flirty options with Zev, but raise his approval to 100 will he ever admit to liking you more than a friend? I know Morrigan does this with a male character. Even if you never flirt with her, if she is at 100 with you and you do her personal quest she will ask if you can be more than friends. Does Zev do the same, or are you stuck making the first move (and by first move, I am not talking about flirting, but the character admitting that they feel more than friendship for you)?

If you never start the romance with him, he will always treat you as a friend.

He does ask, close to the beginning (26+), if it's possible that you will be more than friends if you haven't shut the romance down at that point.

[ejoslin]

Quick note -- I found a pretty bad but unusual bug in ZDF alistair_main.dlg where under a certain circumstance, the dialog will cut off at the arch demon. I have an update file up at DANexus -- including just the alistair_main.dlg. If you use cmessaz's mod, her latest version also has this repaired and you probably will want to update.  There was also one more reference of him being king that I removed.

Now I THINK I'm done! *grin* I know I've said that before, but between the toolset always being bad and coming across weird bugs like that, I got an extra gray hair or two!

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 mai 2010 - 08:27 .

[UnDutchable]

I'm currently playing a non-flirty Cousland and I'm kind of having the same problem, but moreso with Alistair than with Zevran. If you pick the "Do you stare at everyone like that?" conversation with Zevran, there are some responses that aren't really flirty but do start the romance. My Cousland never once made a comment about a possible romance after that, but he still asked to have sex with her once he hit Adore. The PC does have to take the final step for the Zevran romance, to get him to admit his real feelings, but I think that's understandable because Zev's got issues.

Alistair is still firmly in the friendzone, so yeah, you really have to take the first step with him.

[ejoslin]

dream_operator23 wrote...

If you never start the romance with him, he will always treat you as a friend.

He does ask, close to the beginning (26+), if it's possible that you will be more than friends if you haven't shut the romance down at that point.

I really don't like that. What if my Warden isn't the flirty type? Especially with Zev, who does flirt with everyone. She has no idea he is flirting with her because he likes her. I'd much rather it be like it is with the male Warden/female companion romances. I'm positive with Morrigan (and pretty sure it is the same with Lelianna), that even if you never flirt with them at all, once they love you they will approach you about it. As a female, it seems like you have to make the first move or Alistair or Zevran will never say they love you first.

And the only time I remember Zev asking about being more than friends with my Warden is when he asks what I will do with him after this business is finished. If I ask why wouldn't he go if he had the chance he says something kind of vague about maybe some day you two might be fond of each other. Nothing specific about him liking you more than a friend and you only get that response if you pick the right dialogue.

Well, once Zevran loves you, he does confess his feelings.  But the romance has to be turned on.  That's the same with Alistair and Leliana though.

Edit: I think a big part of it, well, look at the thread about Zevran "ninja" romancing a male character.  Even with very obvious flirt lines and requiring confirmation, there will always be someone who complains that Zevran is in a romance with them.  Imagine if the romance didn't have to be turned on for that to happen/

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 mai 2010 - 09:05 .

[Minaleth]

dream_operator23 wrote...
I really don't like that. What if my Warden isn't the flirty type? Especially with Zev, who does flirt with everyone. She has no idea he is flirting with her because he likes her. I'd much rather it be like it is with the male Warden/female companion romances. I'm positive with Morrigan (and pretty sure it is the same with Lelianna), that even if you never flirt with them at all, once they love you they will approach you about it. As a female, it seems like you have to make the first move or Alistair or Zevran will never say they love you first.

Well, Zevran will never say he loves you even if he is at 100 Love. Why would he fall in love anyway if you don't let him flirt with you and/or flirt back? The in game mechanics work like this: there are flags that denote whether the character is in relationship with Warden or not. The only way how to turn this flag on is to choose some specific line in dialogues - these lines are more or less flirty on the PC's side - that means the PC shows interest in said character. I think you would like to not turn on the romance and wait until the romance is turned on by NPC... That would be imho not very good  game design choice since lot of people wish to stay "only" friendly witch their squad mates. How would you do that?
Anyway if you have romance on, you can wait until they approach you about tent, you don't have to initialize that. Zevran does that at 71 Adore I think.

dream_operator23 wrote...
And the only time I remember Zev asking about being more than friends with my Warden is when he asks what I will do with him after this business is finished. If I ask why wouldn't he go if he had the chance he says something kind of vague about maybe some day you two might be fond of each other. Nothing specific about him liking you more than a friend and you only get that response if you pick the right dialogue.

Yes, the line where you suggest you could be more than friends is romance switch afaik. Otherwise you are telling him you are not interested *shrugs*

[ejoslin]

Awwwww, yeh, it is an issue I think Zevran can kind of be roleplayed as him coming onto the warden as he is so flirtatious, but yeh, most of the come on lines are pretty sexual. The "more than friends" is sweet and I usually do see it, but his friendship declaration that you get at 76+ friendly is about being a good friend to the warden though he will say that he has considered you more than a friend if you say it to him first there.

[Minaleth]

dream_operator23 wrote...

I just wish that for both female and male Wardens you can either start the romance yourself, or if you never start it, once a companion hits high enough approval, then they will approach you about liking you more than a friend. It's so easy for me to play clueless, non-flirty males and still get Morrigan and Lelianna, because they will eventually make the first move.

Technically all of them make the first move since some romance turn ons are your responses to some of their dialogue lines. Except the ones that are not

dream_operator23 wrote...
Not with a female Warden though. You can't play a female Warden that is unflirty and can't imagine anyone would want her and still get the guy. My poor female Warden will never get anyone, because they will never admit to her that they like her.

I prefer the game not to ninja romance my PC, if the PC is unflirty then probably they don't want to play romance?
And yes, that's the way to end up alone?
Anyway me thinks that Zevran would be good choice for shy unflirty Warden. He flirts a lot from the beginning  and you only have to respond eventually and don't stop him.

[ejoslin]

It's an interesting thing with Zevran's flirting, though. It's very different with the companions than it is with the warden. Morrigan, it's a bet. Alistair and Oghren, a joke. Leliana, he pokes at her chantry beliefs and her purity facade. Wynne, well, it's to make her uncomfortable.



With the warden, it's very clear his only real motive is a real attraction. He talks openly and honestly with the warden, does not try to sugar coat who he is. But yes, there is only the one opportunity for him to say straight out if it's possible that they may grow fond of each other. It's actually more than Alistair and has, but you're right, it is possible to miss.

[UnDutchable]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Zevran does make the first move in the romance, by calling you handsome/beautiful, and you can then tell him if you appreciate it or not.



Are you saying you want some kind of conversation where the Warden can ask him how he really feels? Because I don't think that would work for Zevran's character; he's the son of a prostitute and trained to be an assassin, he doesn't really want to understand feelings. That's why you can't ask him about it until much later in the game.

[Minaleth]

dream_operator23 wrote...
And yes Minaleth, I could see Zev's constant flirting with the Warden meaning that he likes her, if he didn't also flirt with everyone else too! How can she tell he feels differently about her, unless he tells her so?

That is an interesting question actually. If you mean when PC is not in romance with Zevran, how do you tell that his flirting with Warden means more that his flirting with Leliana or Morrigan? 

Let's form some answer ... if you ask me as a player, than I simply metagame a lot since the blind play is really funny for me only first time, so I know my PC is the hero and the game is designed that the LI are your LI and not any other's. You can read all dialogue options and all complete trees to know his responses for different situations. Reload and try things, manipulate approval, read VO notes. This way you really get to know what is the character like to the core.

If you ask me how do I know on blind playhrough then I read between the lines, it's not that hard to guess when you pay attention to what everyone say and use a tiny bit of psychology to uncover what Zevran hides behind his flirty mask. The dialogues are very open to interpretation but me thinks that we all would concur that by the endgame his love for Warden is very genuine and true. 

If you ask me how I roleplay it, then anything is possible. You can have Warden that takes that seriously and breaks up with Zevran because of his remarks at Wynn's bosom. Or you can have Warden that doesn't care and flirts even more with everyone. Or  Warden that had ton more extra dialogues with Zevran that are not ingame, including "I love you" or whatever. Or Warden that falls in love at first sight and learns about everything from Zevran including flirting and those are really lessons. *shrugs* 

Modifié par Minaleth, 10 mai 2010 - 09:46 .

[Sannox]

@ Dream operator, it feels strange the other way too! My first character wanted Zevran from the start, but although he seemed to flirt and presumably the romance must have started, it was a few conversations before there was any indication that they were in a romance (or before my warden could invite him to the tent). I remember being disappointed when he asked if he could have a kiss (obviously a flirty comment) and there was no opportunity to give one.



So yes, it's difficult to RP a warden who wants to get down to business, as well as to RP a warden who is shy and doesn't flirt. I think you do get forced into some RP choices. (Although there are maybe ways of getting round them - the shy warden saying something that he doesn't mean to be flirty but is, or the confident warden still wanting to know the assassin a bit better before sex).



He is the first to ask directly about being more than friends though, before there is any obvious sex or romance (or at least, I've chosen dialogue options which lead to him doing that). I would be happier for him to be more forward about a sexual relationship at the beginning. His reticence about love is part of the plot though, so I wouldn't want that changed.

[Sannox]

I seem to fail at quoting Aro's post.  Her pictures of Zevran's conversation when you meet Dulin (is it Dulin?  Harrowmont's aide), got me thinking.

The first time round I played with my dwarf who was puzzled, as we'd just spent some time trying to see Bhelen and being refused.  Bhelen was sort of relation for my DC, so she expected it to be easier.   For her (and later characters) he seemed to be a lot more difficult to see than Harrowmont, who just wants you to do the Proving.   My DC tried to play both sides but found that Harrowmont was willing to see her before Bhelen was. 

I played a character who took Zevran's advice on everything and he went straight for Bhelen after the conversation and didn't bother with the Harrowmont quests.    Another went straight for Harrowmont and that does seem to be the quickest route.   Or maybe it just seems so because I enjoy the Proving. 

There are differences in Vartag's and Dulin's dialogues, and I suppose that's what makes Zevran speak up against Harrowmont and not Bhelen (or perhaps he knows more about the situation than the warden does).   But in practice, both seem to be cautious and suspicious, but Harrowmont is more willing to meet the Warden.  (Whether clothed or not, apparently).



ETA: Looks like my screenshot was removed.  And I was so careful to pick one where the offending parts were covered, Austin Powers-styel   I thought 'nudity' meant ful nudity.  There wasn't even so much as a bare buttock, just male chest and a bit of hips, in a non-sexual situation.   I suppose most people's holiday snaps would be banned too.  Goodness me!

Modifié par Sannox, 10 mai 2010 - 01:16 .

[sami jo]

@dream_operator: While it might be nice for a shy character to have Zev be more forward, it would be an odd choice for the devs to have him do so, and I'm not just referring to the possible backlash from straight guys that are already annoyed that he flirts with them at all.  Zev has pretty much willingly made himself your slave, and it is entirely possible to RP a Warden who treats him as such.  The Warden doesn't have the option to tell him he is free to leave if he wishes until his approval is pretty high (which is when the more than a friend line can occur).  Even after that, Zev is very much at the Warden's mercy until after Taliesen (and after depending on the dialogue choices). 

Morrigan's line when her approval maxes out makes sense for her character, and it really isn't any more forward than Zev's.  If you tell him that you think of him as a friend, he will ask if it could be more, and Morrigan does basically the same thing, though she does initiate the conversation.  She has to get one of the Warden's in bed and she is certainly not dependent on the Warden otherwise.  It makes sense for her character to be more forward.  The line itself isn't all that different from Zev's, she just initiates the conversation.

Al is so utterly inexperienced, it makes sense for him to not make the first move.  His character is very passive.  There are subtle lines (like the one about the future) that can turn on his romance, and after that he makes it clear that he is interested.  He is also conflicted from the beginning about starting a romance because he knows full well he may well be put on the throne.

Lel's romance starter lines are not all completely obvious (shoes?!), but unless the Warden accidentally starts the romance with one of those, she is only forward if her very buggy romance flags accidentally fire.  Not all of her starter lines are overtly flirtatious either, and of all the romances, the conversations leading up to the tent are by far the least sexual and flirtatious (which is how my first character accidentally romanced her).

It is possible to romance any of them with a shy Warden. It's just more of a challenge.

And with that wall of text, I am going to get more coffee. 

(Added because I am really loving this character, and I finally found a second armor that I like on an elf)

[Minaleth]

sami jo wrote...
 (Added because I am really loving this character, and I finally found a second armor that I like on an elf)

Btw which armor is that? It really looks good on male elves.

Modifié par Minaleth, 10 mai 2010 - 01:28 .

[Aroihkin]

Dropping my two cents into the convo aside from what everyone else has said:

Strictly speaking in game dialogue, Alley wouldn't end up with Zevran either. The first time he called her beautiful she'd have laughed at him, or -- if pidgeonholed into the game choices -- told him not to bother.

Doing anything about it, meanwhile, would never ever occur to her. That sort of thing is very dormant in that character, so I feel some flexibility should be allowed for, but YMMV. :3

And Sami, I love that armor. Fffff-- I'm going to end up collecting this stuff, aren't I?

Also, I seem to have gotten side-tracked into making a music vid for the first time in several months. It's not Dragon Age, as I simply can't record footage for anything so extensive with my graphics (and hard drive space). Shall I spam with a link anyway, once it's done rendering and uploaded? :3 It's for one of my more... obscure fandoms. Or at the very least, easily-dismissed...

[Minaleth]

LOL Elps, that is freakin hilarious