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[Namirsolo]

ReubenLiew wrote...

I don't know, isn't Zevran offering to die for you the same as not wanting to watch you die as well? And though I've never tried this, what happens if you bring ol' Zev along for the final choice? Will he demand Alistair die for you? Will he watch quietly as you fling yourself to the Dragon?
If he loved you so much why doesn't he hold you down while he begs Alistair to take the kill?

-edit- Gah so many other responses before I made mine!
Well basically I just thought that he was actuall willing to DIE for you, which made me go 'whut' since he actually doesn't, but yes it is a powerful gesture for him I suppose, considering his outlook on life.

As far as I know (my pc has never done the sacrifice) there is no cutscene involving Zevran if he's there. This could be because he doesn't know that killing the archdemon will kill her or it could just mean that the devs didn't think to include a scene about it. I'm thinking it's probably game design. 

[ejoslin]

ReubenLiew wrote...

I don't know, isn't Zevran offering to die for you the same as not wanting to watch you die as well? And though I've never tried this, what happens if you bring ol' Zev along for the final choice? Will he demand Alistair die for you? Will he watch quietly as you fling yourself to the Dragon?
If he loved you so much why doesn't he hold you down while he begs Alistair to take the kill?

Hahahaha, I always take him with me.  And he's not privvy to the information.

Hell, Loghain offers to die for me too!  And his reasons are for attonement.  With Alistair, it really is not completely about the PC.  Having played it NOT romancing Alistair, I can tell you it's a huge part to do with glory.  He wants to die gloriously, and this death will give him far more glory than his life would.  He certainly has not had a happy life, nor will he in most cases.

I guess, with Zevran, he has no duty, no obligation, but I guess none of your companions except Alistair does (which is why when he leaves the GW, in many ways it's worse, as all these other people who are just there because it's the right thing to do don't leave, but that is another thread).  

When you sacrifice yourself, what ends up happening to both Alistair and Zevran when left to their own devices says more.  Alistair quits the gray wardens because it doesn't feel the same and disappears.  Zevran ends up killing his way to becoming leader of the Crows and either never touches anyone again or sleeps with everyone (I think the former but do not want to argue it). but either way, never loves again.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 janvier 2010 - 10:13 .

[ReubenLiew]

Sad, they should probably include that, then it will truly illustrate just how deep his love for you goes, since they already were willing to force Alistair to take the kill regardless of how you talk him out of it for his romance instead.

-edit- Hmm... that is true, I guess. No one is allowed knowledge of the killing blow, are they?
Makes more sense to me now.

Modifié par ReubenLiew, 04 janvier 2010 - 10:13 .

[ejoslin]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Sad, they should probably include that, then it will truly illustrate just how deep his love for you goes, since they already were willing to force Alistair to take the kill regardless of how you talk him out of it for his romance instead.

-edit- Hmm... that is true, I guess. No one is allowed knowledge of the killing blow, are they?
Makes more sense to me now.

If they included it for Zevran, they'd have to include it for Leliana as well.  Who ends up killing herself to be with her beloved again.

The PC sacrificing herself really is cruel to the ones she leaves behind.

[ReubenLiew]

Eh, it's war, what're ya gonna do

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Eh, it's war, what're ya gonna do

Have sex with Morrigan?

[Sialater]

What's one more hellspawn, more or less?

[Kohaku]

More are taking up roost. Just another one to slice down.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ejoslin wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

I don't know, isn't Zevran offering to die for you the same as not wanting to watch you die as well? And though I've never tried this, what happens if you bring ol' Zev along for the final choice? Will he demand Alistair die for you? Will he watch quietly as you fling yourself to the Dragon?
If he loved you so much why doesn't he hold you down while he begs Alistair to take the kill?

Hahahaha, I always take him with me.  And he's not privvy to the information.

Hell, Loghain offers to die for me too!  And his reasons are for attonement.  With Alistair, it really is not completely about the PC.  Having played it NOT romancing Alistair, I can tell you it's a huge part to do with glory.  He wants to die gloriously, and this death will give him far more glory than his life would.  He certainly has not had a happy life, nor will he in most cases.

I guess, with Zevran, he has no duty, no obligation, but I guess none of your companions except Alistair does (which is why when he leaves the GW, in many ways it's worse, as all these other people who are just there because it's the right thing to do don't leave, but that is another thread).  

When you sacrifice yourself, what ends up happening to both Alistair and Zevran when left to their own devices says more.  Alistair quits the gray wardens because it doesn't feel the same and disappears.  Zevran ends up killing his way to becoming leader of the Crows and either never touches anyone again or sleeps with everyone (I think the former but do not want to argue it). but either way, never loves again.

it actually is different for Alistair, whether romancing him or not, when you come to the Archdemon slaying. If not romancing him, he offers himself up, but you can turn him down. If romancing him, you get no chance, no matter how hard you try, he will not allow you to sacrifice yourself , period, not if he can do it instead. So, for a love, he'd rather do the job himself. Not love, he lets you decide.

Zevran simply does not have the option or opportunity to  do so, because he is not a Grey warden, and thus, sticking his sword in the archdemon pretty much does nothing. I think if he was a Warden, he would do pretty much the same thing as Alistair, as have finally having found someone to love, he's not about to go through life again losing it. But Zev, who probably does not know exactly why grey wardens are needed, is pretty clueless of what fate is in store for his love until he/she makes that final blow. By then, too late.

In the end, both Alistair and Zevran pretty much take your character's death very hard, and behave in ways appropriate to their character and individual situations. In both cases, you pretty much ruin their lives by dying.

[ejoslin]

Don't forget poor Leliana! Though I never romance her, her life apparently is ruined too!

Edit: Actually, this is why you should let Alistair die.  The PC, if Ali dies, has much to live for.  She will go on.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 janvier 2010 - 10:34 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ejoslin wrote...

Don't forget poor Leliana! Though I never romance her, her life apparently is ruined too!

Edit: Actually, this is why you should let Alistair die.  The PC, if Ali dies, has much to live for.  She will go on.

Depends, a PC might not if she is in love with Alistair, and depending on origin, lost everything else.

The best bet is take Morrigan's wicked offer, distateful as it is, or, if not romancing Alistair at all, then let him take the hit so Zev and leliana can have a happily ever after.

The only one who really doesn't seem to care, one way or another, if her love dies, is Morrigan, though she could feel badly, it just never shows up in the epilogue.

[ejoslin]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Don't forget poor Leliana! Though I never romance her, her life apparently is ruined too!

Edit: Actually, this is why you should let Alistair die.  The PC, if Ali dies, has much to live for.  She will go on.

Depends, a PC might not if she is in love with Alistair, and depending on origin, lost everything else.

The best bet is take Morrigan's wicked offer, distateful as it is, or, if not romancing Alistair at all, then let him take the hit so Zev and leliana can have a happily ever after.

The only one who really doesn't seem to care, one way or another, if her love dies, is Morrigan, though she could feel badly, it just never shows up in the epilogue.

You know, Zev will stick with you as his best buddy as well.  And you've never lost everything.  Dwarves become paragons and can go back to Orzamar.  City elf can become Bann.  Dalish can go back to their clan, which now has land.  Noble human's brother is still alive so she can't become Teryn of Highever, but her brother IS still alive.  And you can always go with Sten if he likes you.  Or take over Loghain's land and titles.  Or rebuild the gray wardens with Zevran, or alone.

When you see with what the PC lost before Ostegar, it's hard to believe she wouldn't have the strength to go on.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ejoslin wrote...


You know, Zev will stick with you as his best buddy as well.  And you've never lost everything.  Dwarves become paragons and can go back to Orzamar.  City elf can become Bann.  Dalish can go back to their clan, which now has land.  Noble human's brother is still alive so she can't become Teryn of Highever, but her brother IS still alive.  And you can always go with Sten if he likes you.  Or take over Loghain's land and titles.  Or rebuild the gray wardens with Zevran, or alone.

When you see with what the PC lost before Ostegar, it's hard to believe she wouldn't have the strength to go on.

Depends on how the individual PC thinks, and how her experiences have shaped her.. After all that has happened, she could very well have grown to hate the world and people within it. What were her hopes and dreams before she became a Warden? How have those been shattered or maybe realized? Origins give a background, but not necessarily a personality and worldview.

A PC might not wish to return to the Wardens for various reasons, nor might she want a position of wealth and power. During her travels, she might have become bitter towards the world at large, either having illusions shattered, or reality reenforced. Dwarves and elves might not wish to return home, depending on how they take events in their post origins homelands. What about Mages? Depending on choices, whether circle was annuled or kept, she might not wish to return (especially if you Annulled, since Cullen takes over the place and brings the smack down on the mages).  

Social success, honors, and glories are not a desired end or reward for all people, and I have known people who, after losing someone they deeply loved, simply had no desire to continue pursing much of anything, pretty much retreating from their lives as their world comes crumbling down around them. And often enough, these were people who, for all appearances for other people, had plenty remaining for them to keep going.

Like many things, it comes down to roleplay, and the many empty spaces between game dialogues, on what happens and what that person is like. Some PCs could very well continue on just fine and carry on with life, others, might not. Each character created is very much an individual in their own right, regardless of origins influences.

[ejoslin]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

ejoslin wrote...


You know, Zev will stick with you as his best buddy as well.  And you've never lost everything.  Dwarves become paragons and can go back to Orzamar.  City elf can become Bann.  Dalish can go back to their clan, which now has land.  Noble human's brother is still alive so she can't become Teryn of Highever, but her brother IS still alive.  And you can always go with Sten if he likes you.  Or take over Loghain's land and titles.  Or rebuild the gray wardens with Zevran, or alone.

When you see with what the PC lost before Ostegar, it's hard to believe she wouldn't have the strength to go on.

Depends on how the individual PC thinks, and how her experiences have shaped her.. After all that has happened, she could very well have grown to hate the world and people within it. What were her hopes and dreams before she became a Warden? How have those been shattered or maybe realized? Origins give a background, but not necessarily a personality and worldview.

A PC might not wish to return to the Wardens for various reasons, nor might she want a position of wealth and power. During her travels, she might have become bitter towards the world at large, either having illusions shattered, or reality reenforced. Dwarves and elves might not wish to return home, depending on how they take events in their post origins homelands. What about Mages? Depending on choices, whether circle was annuled or kept, she might not wish to return (especially if you Annulled, since Cullen takes over the place and brings the smack down on the mages).  

Social success, honors, and glories are not a desired end or reward for all people, and I have known people who, after losing someone they deeply loved, simply had no desire to continue pursing much of anything, pretty much retreating from their lives as their world comes crumbling down around them. And often enough, these were people who, for all appearances for other people, had plenty remaining for them to keep going.

Like many things, it comes down to roleplay, and the many empty spaces between game dialogues, on what happens and what that person is like. Some PCs could very well continue on just fine and carry on with life, others, might not. Each character created is very much an individual in their own right, regardless of origins influences.

I can accept that.  I have sacrificed myself a few times, and felt SO guilty afterwards.  Especially since Alistair really did want to do it.  He didn't want to be king, he didn't want to be a gray warden by himself -- the PC ends up being the Hero of Ferelden, what she did raises her people up (or restores them to power in the case of human noble).  Whoever sacrifices their self becomes a legend.  Tales are told, songs are sung -- I'm not sure I played a PC who would care about that, but Alistair would like it. 

I have to admit, though, that I'm not crazy about Alistair.  My first playthrough, the inevitable happened, and yes, I had no problem with him sacrificing himself.  I picked the dialogs that he was a coward, and then I picked, ok, go do it! I won't forget you!  The kiss was beautiful, I will admit that.  However, my subsequent play throughs, I saw the romance as an infatuation, fair or not, and I chose actions and dialogs that made him mad, so that colored my opinion as well.  So I am not sympathetic to Alistair, though I like him.  And if it's true he's no older than 20, then it's even more understandable.

[Kohaku]

ejoslin wrote...

I can accept that.  I have sacrificed myself a few times, and felt SO guilty afterwards.  Especially since Alistair really did want to do it.  He didn't want to be king, he didn't want to be a gray warden by himself -- the PC ends up being the Hero of Ferelden, what she did raises her people up (or restores them to power in the case of human noble).  Whoever sacrifices their self becomes a legend.  Tales are told, songs are sung -- I'm not sure I played a PC who would care about that, but Alistair would like it. 

I have to admit, though, that I'm not crazy about Alistair.  My first playthrough, the inevitable happened, and yes, I had no problem with him sacrificing himself.  I picked the dialogs that he was a coward, and then I picked, ok, go do it! I won't forget you!  The kiss was beautiful, I will admit that.  However, my subsequent play throughs, I saw the romance as an infatuation, fair or not, and I chose actions and dialogs that made him mad, so that colored my opinion as well.  So I am not sympathetic to Alistair, though I like him.  And if it's true he's no older than 20, then it's even more understandable.

This is ultimately how I feel. I haven't angered Alistair but I see him for what he is. I wouldn't mind having him as a friend in the real world but I don't think it'd go beyond that. He's someone I'd want to have my back, as long as I don't ****** him off. Then that brings a whole new can of worms. That's why I can understand robertthebard's views on Alistair eventhough people jump on her in threads.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ejoslin wrote...

I can accept that.  I have sacrificed myself a few times, and felt SO guilty afterwards.  Especially since Alistair really did want to do it.  He didn't want to be king, he didn't want to be a gray warden by himself -- the PC ends up being the Hero of Ferelden, what she did raises her people up (or restores them to power in the case of human noble).  Whoever sacrifices their self becomes a legend.  Tales are told, songs are sung -- I'm not sure I played a PC who would care about that, but Alistair would like it. 

I have to admit, though, that I'm not crazy about Alistair.  My first playthrough, the inevitable happened, and yes, I had no problem with him sacrificing himself.  I picked the dialogs that he was a coward, and then I picked, ok, go do it! I won't forget you!  The kiss was beautiful, I will admit that.  However, my subsequent play throughs, I saw the romance as an infatuation, fair or not, and I chose actions and dialogs that made him mad, so that colored my opinion as well.  So I am not sympathetic to Alistair, though I like him.  And if it's true he's no older than 20, then it's even more understandable.

Generally, it all comes down to how you roleplay, and the limit of options in game. I happen to be extremely fond of Alistair, with all his faults, and thus, on top of not making him a king in a real playthrough, am loathe to end up with one of us dying. Depending on the character I'm playing, it would end up as a very miserable mess for both if I did, so I suck up and deal with Morrigan.

But, were the situation different, what if Zevran was a sacrifical option, for those who prefer him over Alistair? It would be pretty much the same boat: depending on who and how you play, the surviving love could end up destroyed over it. And until i play a very selfish, cold character that has no problem throwing anyone between her and harm, I shall find it impossible not to sacrifice myself, or, from an RPG perspective, ending up mental after the lossof her love.

Interestingly, I've gone through dialogue options that ****** off or hurt Alistair, and I find him all the more endearing. Perhaps because it shows me he does have a less than pleasant side, which for me, is essential in taking someone seriously as a friend or love interest. But it's a matter of personal tastes, and certainly, i do not go through threads rampaging people because of personal opinions and impressions. To each, their own.

Both Zevran and Alistair I am quite fond of, for very different reasons, and thus, depending on who and how I am playing, present interesting challenges throughout the game if pursuing a love affair. In the end, breaking their hearts, one way or another, is painful equally.

[Default137]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Zevran offers to die for you?
... How?

I forgot where, but one of his lines is something like "The hero always dies in these kinds of stories, and I'm not going to let that happen, if it comes to it, this will be one story where the sidekick dies for the hero" Obviously said much better, and in Zevrans own personal way, thats just the basic jist of how he says it, but it was very cute, and very romantic the way he said it and the place and all that.

As for Zev at the end, nobody filled in the rest of your companions as to what happens to the Gray Wardens at the end of a Archdemon fight, the only people who know are you, Alistar, Loghain, and Morrigan, the rest of your party just thinks you will kill it, then its time to celebrate, and have a good time, Zevran even alludes to the fact he can't wait for us to kill the Demon, so we can finally celebrate in Antivan style, even after my Warden had decided that she was going to sacrifice herself, it was a very saddening moment, because there was no way to tell him what was going to happen.

The sad thing is, Zevran is a pragmatist, as mentiond earlier in this thread, he's not the type to do something suicidal, unless he has to, and would much rather live then die, but even with that, if he was a Gray Warden, and knew the score, the way he acts near the end of the game makes me believe he would strike the killing blow, but I doubt he would do a little speech like Alistar did, because its not in his personality, he'd just go off and kill it, then talk after if he was still able.

Modifié par Default137, 05 janvier 2010 - 01:56 .

[wyvernix]

Ah, Zevran. The romantic appeal to me is rather personal, as everyone has their own tastes. As far as my opinion is concerned, I find him rather unique and exotic. And as you dwindle further into the relationship, a bit tender. He seems to hold regret for some of the things he has done and is very shy about his true feelings. Aside from being a natural studmuffin and having looks that kill, he has a rather hidden emotional appeal that makes you feel sorry for him. Plus, he's romanceable for both genders(Seeing this option was pleasantly surprising, as I tend to play male characters more often than female ones.)

Anyway, that's just one woman's opinion on the matter. To me, Zevran's more than just a relentless killer that wants to get in everyone's pants. Perhaps others will have other views, but I'll just stick to my own tastes for now.

Modifié par wyvernix, 05 janvier 2010 - 01:58 .

[ejoslin]

Default137 wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

Zevran offers to die for you?
... How?

I forgot where, but one of his lines is something like "The hero always dies in these kinds of stories, and I'm not going to let that happen, if it comes to it, this will be one story where the sidekick dies for the hero" Obviously said much better, and in Zevrans own personal way, thats just the basic jist of how he says it, but it was very cute, and very romantic the way he said it and the place and all that.

As for Zev at the end, nobody filled in the rest of your companions as to what happens to the Gray Wardens at the end of a Archdemon fight, the only people who know are you, Alistar, Loghain, and Morrigan, the rest of your party just thinks you will kill it, then its time to celebrate, and have a good time, Zevran even alludes to the fact he can't wait for us to kill the Demon, so we can finally celebrate in Antivan style, even after my Warden had decided that she was going to sacrifice herself, it was a very saddening moment, because there was no way to tell him what was going to happen.

The sad thing is, Zevran is a pragmatist, as mentiond earlier in this thread, he's not the type to do something suicidal, unless he has to, and would much rather live then die, but even with that, if he was a Gray Warden, and knew the score, the way he acts near the end of the game makes me believe he would strike the killing blow, but I doubt he would do a little speech like Alistar did, because its not in his personality, he'd just go off and kill it, then talk after if he was still able.

That sounds close to what I referring to, but it's not as sweet.  He says something that the gray warden always dies, unless the gray warden has a sidekick. Then the sidekick can die.  Then he adds, this friendship thing is for the birds!  I also haven't seen the comment about partying antivan style!  WHERE?  Is it possibly in a male play though?  *grin* time to dig some more!

But yes, I agree.  He would just kill the arch demon.  Alistair is a follower -- Zevran, though supposedly the PC's ummm, indenture (for lack of a better term), is very obviously the PC's equal.  I love how he gives his opinions and speaks for the group at times.  Heh, my PC actually followed him when it came to Bhelen.  I think he and the PC probably were the most effective at rebuilding the gray wardens as well.  A certain ruthlessness to that would be needed.

[Default137]

ejoslin wrote...

Default137 wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

Zevran offers to die for you?
... How?

I forgot where, but one of his lines is something like "The hero always dies in these kinds of stories, and I'm not going to let that happen, if it comes to it, this will be one story where the sidekick dies for the hero" Obviously said much better, and in Zevrans own personal way, thats just the basic jist of how he says it, but it was very cute, and very romantic the way he said it and the place and all that.

As for Zev at the end, nobody filled in the rest of your companions as to what happens to the Gray Wardens at the end of a Archdemon fight, the only people who know are you, Alistar, Loghain, and Morrigan, the rest of your party just thinks you will kill it, then its time to celebrate, and have a good time, Zevran even alludes to the fact he can't wait for us to kill the Demon, so we can finally celebrate in Antivan style, even after my Warden had decided that she was going to sacrifice herself, it was a very saddening moment, because there was no way to tell him what was going to happen.

The sad thing is, Zevran is a pragmatist, as mentiond earlier in this thread, he's not the type to do something suicidal, unless he has to, and would much rather live then die, but even with that, if he was a Gray Warden, and knew the score, the way he acts near the end of the game makes me believe he would strike the killing blow, but I doubt he would do a little speech like Alistar did, because its not in his personality, he'd just go off and kill it, then talk after if he was still able.

That sounds close to what I referring to, but it's not as sweet.  He says something that the gray warden always dies, unless the gray warden has a sidekick. Then the sidekick can die.  Then he adds, this friendship thing is for the birds!  I also haven't seen the comment about partying antivan style!  WHERE?  Is it possibly in a male play though?  *grin* time to dig some more!

But yes, I agree.  He would just kill the arch demon.  Alistair is a follower -- Zevran, though supposedly the PC's ummm, indenture (for lack of a better term), is very obviously the PC's equal.  I love how he gives his opinions and speaks for the group at times.  Heh, my PC actually followed him when it came to Bhelen.  I think he and the PC probably were the most effective at rebuilding the gray wardens as well.  A certain ruthlessness to that would be needed.

Female Playthrough, right near the end, I had gone through the whole conference thing, and told Riordan and Loghain I would sacrifice myself, as thats how I wanted this playthrough to end, and right afterwards, just as we passed Sandal, Zevran pipes up with a "Ah, I can't wait for this all to be over, once it is my dear, I shall have to show you how they party Antivan style!"

I almost cried, it was so sad because of the fact this was my sacrifice playthrough, and he didn't know. ;_;

[ejoslin]

Default137 wrote...

Female Playthrough, right near the end, I had gone through the whole conference thing, and told Riordan and Loghain I would sacrifice myself, as thats how I wanted this playthrough to end, and right afterwards, just as we passed Sandal, Zevran pipes up with a "Ah, I can't wait for this all to be over, once it is my dear, I shall have to show you how they party Antivan style!"

I almost cried, it was so sad because of the fact this was my sacrifice playthrough, and he didn't know. ;_;

Wowza, just a dialog?  I never thought to TALK to him in the fort!  And the conversation about dying . . . We are probably talking about the same one.  You tell him he's a friend and he tells you he's going to prevent your untimely death.  So you tell him that he doesn't have to die either, and he says it's not him who's going to die, it's the Gray Warden.  Unless, of course, the sidekick dies.

Hah, I had a save at that point, and ran through just about every non-breakup dialog and that was the only thing I could find.  I did find something else interesting, though.  If you accept the earring the first time, he disapproves the second time when you tell him either of the good answers to whether or not you have a future.  However, if you rejected the earring the first time, it's positive when you ask him if it's a proposal and basically accept with either of those answers.  Too bad you don't get the earring in your inventory the second time.  I hope they fix that!

Edit: I'm still traumatized by my sacrifice play through. I did cry, especially when I read what happened to Zev, but with what happened to everyone, good and bad, just made me so sad.  And the look on Zevran's face when Anora gave the eulogy and said, "And some of you loved her."  

/sadface *cry* 

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 janvier 2010 - 02:45 .

[Sylph_14]

Default137 wrote...

Female Playthrough, right near the end, I had gone through the whole conference thing, and told Riordan and Loghain I would sacrifice myself, as thats how I wanted this playthrough to end, and right afterwards, just as we passed Sandal, Zevran pipes up with a "Ah, I can't wait for this all to be over, once it is my dear, I shall have to show you how they party Antivan style!"

I almost cried, it was so sad because of the fact this was my sacrifice playthrough, and he didn't know. ;_;

Awww, I always take him with me but I've never heard that line =[

[paleobones]

I am currently on my second play-through and I plan on romancing Zevran.



Quick question, can you still convince Alistair to take Morrigan's offer if you are not romancing him? I would like him and Anora to rule together or him alone and be free to run off with Zevran.



In my first play-through i flirted with him and we became very close friends, never slept with him. I was so very depressed and angry when Alistair sacrificed himself and I had to endure the post-coronation hero crap. I loved the fact that Zevran was there for me and wanted to continue our friendship in travels and training the grey wardens.

[ejoslin]

paleobones wrote...

I am currently on my second play-through and I plan on romancing Zevran.

Quick question, can you still convince Alistair to take Morrigan's offer if you are not romancing him? I would like him and Anora to rule together or him alone and be free to run off with Zevran.

In my first play-through i flirted with him and we became very close friends, never slept with him. I was so very depressed and angry when Alistair sacrificed himself and I had to endure the post-coronation hero crap. I loved the fact that Zevran was there for me and wanted to continue our friendship in travels and training the grey wardens.

Yes, Alistair will do it.  Just have him at 100 friendly.  Heck, Alistair will marry a human noble he never romanced (and takes it FAR better if you tell him you're going to try to get pregnant by someone else when it's just a friendship) as long as she's at 100 friendly. 

Edit: The worst Zevran moment I ever had in the game was when I was forced to choose between him and Alistair and chose him and got subjected to the poetry reading.  Keep in mind, I didn't discover these forums until my third play through, so this was completely unexpected, and I was just thinking, ick, I made SUCH a mistake.  But I'm glad I stuck it out anyway!  Have fun with the romance.  There are tons of us fan girls (and boys I'm sure) out there for a reason.  It's better at the end than Alistair's is even at the beginning when it's fabulous.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 janvier 2010 - 03:44 .

[ejoslin]

Sylph_14 wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Female Playthrough, right near the end, I had gone through the whole conference thing, and told Riordan and Loghain I would sacrifice myself, as thats how I wanted this playthrough to end, and right afterwards, just as we passed Sandal, Zevran pipes up with a "Ah, I can't wait for this all to be over, once it is my dear, I shall have to show you how they party Antivan style!"

I almost cried, it was so sad because of the fact this was my sacrifice playthrough, and he didn't know. ;_;

Awww, I always take him with me but I've never heard that line =[

I bet he only says it if you're sacrificing yourself . . .  That WOULD be a detail this game would have.  I'm not sure I want to go through that, though.  Of course, I'm already planning what party could rip through everything the most quickly so I can check it . . .