question for you experts. Is it ever possible to get a Zevran reaction shot to Leliana's song ? I've done about 4 playthroughs and don't get a good Zevran picture. But I usually already have Sten, Morrigan, Dog, Alistair, so maybe they override his ?
What's the (Romantic) Appeal of Zevran?
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#2727
Posté 17 février 2010 - 01:51
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So if you dump him in that fashion, does he stop being your friend alltogether? Does he leave? I AM curious though I could never do that.
IRL, it would take one hell of a special man for me to make such a commitment, but even I would make an exception if I had to choose between accepting and loosing someone like that. But I can understand why he'd feal such all consuming desperation. He'd be worth it.
That ending is too utterly cruel... ugh.. I wish the other character would have gotten close to him, but it doesn't sound like they ever came to value him as he deserved. One of the few design flaws with this game. Maybe it could have been different otherwise.
IRL, it would take one hell of a special man for me to make such a commitment, but even I would make an exception if I had to choose between accepting and loosing someone like that. But I can understand why he'd feal such all consuming desperation. He'd be worth it.
That ending is too utterly cruel... ugh.. I wish the other character would have gotten close to him, but it doesn't sound like they ever came to value him as he deserved. One of the few design flaws with this game. Maybe it could have been different otherwise.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 01:54
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@ Raiynsong
I always find that the 'bleh' factor. You see all the companions at least once, but never Zevran. An elven song, but the only elf in camp is never shown.
@ EccentricSage
No, he'll stay if your PC wants that, and he will even be your PCs friend. He is a very loyal friend to have, but none of mine can keep their hands of him. Like I said before, I ditched a whole game because my PC inadvertantly turned the romance off. She was a silly girl anyway, pffft.
I always find that the 'bleh' factor. You see all the companions at least once, but never Zevran. An elven song, but the only elf in camp is never shown.
@ EccentricSage
No, he'll stay if your PC wants that, and he will even be your PCs friend. He is a very loyal friend to have, but none of mine can keep their hands of him. Like I said before, I ditched a whole game because my PC inadvertantly turned the romance off. She was a silly girl anyway, pffft.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 01:56
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Yes, it's when breaking up with Zevran that you can truly see how much he's NOT saying, and how deep the feelings really run.
I do have no doubt that, IF the Warden asked it of him, that Zevran would have sex with someone else. But I do not think it would be something he would seek out or desire on his own, other than as a way to make the warden happy. For him, all his life, sex was a tool. He enjoyed it very much, and took great pleasure in both the act and of being a good lover, but it meant absolutely nothing to him. Until it took on meaning for him.
Another dialog option to pick if you want to see how much fidelity means to him -- after he breaks up with your warden for not being as serious as he is, tell him you don't see why the two of you can't keep on having sex. His answer will leave ZERO doubt in your mind that to him, sex and love with the warden are the same.
I will give the end of that dialog here, so non-masochists won't have to put themselves through that.
SPOILER:
Warden: We don't need to end this, Zevran
Zevran: I do.
Edit: and you would not believe the voice acting and facial expressions during this. His face is even worse than the funeral.
Second edit: It's any time you dump him or he dumps you (which he will only do if you don't love him back) after he falls in love. BUT if you are not romancing him after Taliesen, he will ask to leave as well. He will stay if asked, friend or lover. But he wants to leave if not in love (though he is happy enough to stay). You can also choose answers after Zevran and the warden break up that will have him leave -- they all basically say he loves the warden too much to stay if they can't be together.
I do have no doubt that, IF the Warden asked it of him, that Zevran would have sex with someone else. But I do not think it would be something he would seek out or desire on his own, other than as a way to make the warden happy. For him, all his life, sex was a tool. He enjoyed it very much, and took great pleasure in both the act and of being a good lover, but it meant absolutely nothing to him. Until it took on meaning for him.
Another dialog option to pick if you want to see how much fidelity means to him -- after he breaks up with your warden for not being as serious as he is, tell him you don't see why the two of you can't keep on having sex. His answer will leave ZERO doubt in your mind that to him, sex and love with the warden are the same.
I will give the end of that dialog here, so non-masochists won't have to put themselves through that.
SPOILER:
Warden: We don't need to end this, Zevran
Zevran: I do.
Edit: and you would not believe the voice acting and facial expressions during this. His face is even worse than the funeral.
Second edit: It's any time you dump him or he dumps you (which he will only do if you don't love him back) after he falls in love. BUT if you are not romancing him after Taliesen, he will ask to leave as well. He will stay if asked, friend or lover. But he wants to leave if not in love (though he is happy enough to stay). You can also choose answers after Zevran and the warden break up that will have him leave -- they all basically say he loves the warden too much to stay if they can't be together.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:01
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Yeah really. Jenovan sacrificing him/herself for us is painful enough to see, lol.
I picked that route after reading about it here, just to see for myself. I've never felt so mean and dirty in my life, when hearing and seeing it. Zevran's face is gut-wrenching, it actually made me flinch. Re-loaded, of course, and even that didn't make the bad, bad feeling go away.
I picked that route after reading about it here, just to see for myself. I've never felt so mean and dirty in my life, when hearing and seeing it. Zevran's face is gut-wrenching, it actually made me flinch. Re-loaded, of course, and even that didn't make the bad, bad feeling go away.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:09
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Sabriana wrote...
Yeah really. Jenovan sacrificing him/herself for us is painful enough to see, lol.
I picked that route after reading about it here, just to see for myself. I've never felt so mean and dirty in my life, when hearing and seeing it. Zevran's face is gut-wrenching, it actually made me flinch. Re-loaded, of course, and even that didn't make the bad, bad feeling go away.
Yes, with Zevran you do miss a LOT if you don't do the ugly ones at least once. He strongly believes there's a commitment there, even if he doesn't come right out and say so until he's leaving (we all make promises, spoken and UNspoken). Maybe it's because he feels things like that shouldn't need to be said? If it's not just understood by both, it's not really there, perhaps.
Just like the proposal could be taken as him wanting to just make the warden happy or actually wanting to marry the warden -- until you tell him that it's too much. Then it's very clear that it is something HE wants. A lot of what comes off as fear of commitment is just Zevran's own awkwardness -- he really does not know how to handle being in love.
Edit: of course I did.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:14
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Aaaaaaaw... Ok, if he were real, I would marry Zevran. And it's a rare man, even in fantasy, that could make me marry. 
Guh... You know... I never really thought about it before... that this sort of situation might come up in real life. Hnnn. Better be as good as Zevran, I'm telling you! lol
Yeah... I.... Might have been tempted to see it, but living it vicariously through someone else's character is good enough for my, methinks. I might do the break up and then re-load just to find out if Zev is that serious about my character or not, because I'm really confused. I have him at 100% Adoration, but no admitance of love yet... but on the other hand, he made me choose between him and Morrigan, and in the dialogue for the poem, and when he told me about Rinna, it FELT, trully, like we are really close. So yeah. Oh, and then there's certain dialogues with other characters. Zevran's reason for fighting has STROOONG HAAAANDS. lol Oh god, that convo killed me in so many ways. Sorry Morrigan, you should have cared about me more!
Guh... You know... I never really thought about it before... that this sort of situation might come up in real life. Hnnn. Better be as good as Zevran, I'm telling you! lolYeah... I.... Might have been tempted to see it, but living it vicariously through someone else's character is good enough for my, methinks. I might do the break up and then re-load just to find out if Zev is that serious about my character or not, because I'm really confused. I have him at 100% Adoration, but no admitance of love yet... but on the other hand, he made me choose between him and Morrigan, and in the dialogue for the poem, and when he told me about Rinna, it FELT, trully, like we are really close. So yeah. Oh, and then there's certain dialogues with other characters. Zevran's reason for fighting has STROOONG HAAAANDS. lol Oh god, that convo killed me in so many ways. Sorry Morrigan, you should have cared about me more!
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:17
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ejoslin wrote...
A lot of what comes off as fear of commitment is just Zevran's own awkwardness -- he really does not know how to handle being in love.
Edit: of course I did.
Which is so so cute.
Heartbreakingly cute! Oh!
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:17
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EccentricSage wrote...
Aaaaaaaw... Ok, if he were real, I would marry Zevran. And it's a rare man, even in fantasy, that could make me marry.
Yeah... I.... Might have been tempted to see it, but living it vicariously through someone else's character is good enough for my, methinks. I might do the break up and then re-load just to find out if Zev is that serious about my character or not, because I'm really confused. I have him at 100% Adoration, but no admitance of love yet... but on the other hand, he made me choose between him and Morrigan, and in the dialogue for the poem, and when he told me about Rinna, it FELT, trully, like we are really close. So yeah. Oh, and then there's certain dialogues with other characters. Zevran's reason for fighting has STROOONG HAAAANDS. lol Oh god, that convo killed me in so many ways. Sorry Morrigan, you should have cared about me more!
OOOOOH! OMG< I am so sorry. I thought you were further in the story.
Nononono, the very best comes later in the game, when he actually falls in love. I think he was falling in love the entire time, but it's not until after Taliesen that he changes. Breaking up at adore is sad (horrible even), but it's not the soul shredding, heart stomping experience after he falls completely and helplessly in love and just can't fight it any more.
Edit: Ok, I definitely understand where you're coming from a whole lot better. The Zevran romance starts off quite shallow, or at least it can (though it can start off very committed as well, depending on your dialog choices). I always view the romance from how it ends because of how many times I've played it through. But at earlier stages, the romance can be as committed or as casual as the player wants to see it.
It's pretty special all the way through, though.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:24
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ejoslin wrote...
EccentricSage wrote...
Aaaaaaaw... Ok, if he were real, I would marry Zevran. And it's a rare man, even in fantasy, that could make me marry.
Yeah... I.... Might have been tempted to see it, but living it vicariously through someone else's character is good enough for my, methinks. I might do the break up and then re-load just to find out if Zev is that serious about my character or not, because I'm really confused. I have him at 100% Adoration, but no admitance of love yet... but on the other hand, he made me choose between him and Morrigan, and in the dialogue for the poem, and when he told me about Rinna, it FELT, trully, like we are really close. So yeah. Oh, and then there's certain dialogues with other characters. Zevran's reason for fighting has STROOONG HAAAANDS. lol Oh god, that convo killed me in so many ways. Sorry Morrigan, you should have cared about me more!
OOOOOH! OMG< I am so sorry. I thought you were further in the story.
Nononono, the very best comes later in the game, when he actually falls in love. I think he was falling in love the entire time, but it's not until after Taliesen that he changes. Breaking up at adore is sad (horrible even), but it's not the soul shredding, heart stomping experience after he falls completely and helplessly in love and just can't fight it any more.
LOL Not a problem. XD Now I know where this is going, and I am glad. LOL Aparently I'm really good at reading him, because I could tell he loves Dristen, but then I was confused because I'd heard the spoilers before about him sudenly refusing to sleep with you and all that. We're just happily humping away like bunnies! (or should it be nugs? lulz) It's going so well Dristen wouldn't mind if it stayed this way, but then what type of ending would we have? I wouldn't risk loosing him. Erm... Dristen wouldnt ri... well... you get the point. lol This game is insideous. They might be making the best argument ever for why marriage exists. I'll feel awfully silly if a videogame makes me rethink my whole worldview reguarding romance. XD
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:34
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EccentricSage wrote...
LOL Not a problem. XD Now I know where this is going, and I am glad. LOL Aparently I'm really good at reading him, because I could tell he loves Dristen, but then I was confused because I'd heard the spoilers before about him sudenly refusing to sleep with you and all that. We're just happily humping away like bunnies! (or should it be nugs? lulz) It's going so well Dristen wouldn't mind if it stayed this way, but then what type of ending would we have? I wouldn't risk loosing him. Erm... Dristen wouldnt ri... well... you get the point. lol This game is insideous. They might be making the best argument ever for why marriage exists. I'll feel awfully silly if a videogame makes me rethink my whole worldview reguarding romance. XD
SPOILER to make the very best ending. Don't read if you want to be surprised (because the ending with or without this is still fabulous)
Just do yourself a favor and don't accept gifts unless the giver can admit that it means something. And it helps if the Warden is a bit unsure of things his- or herself. But also, at least the first time through, just after Taliesen, make it clear you want him to stay. You can stop the romance at casual if you're not careful with this one.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:36
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Oh yeh, the Zevran romance can be started in so many RP ways, and they are all great.
Mage: Fell for Alistair, got dumped, Zevran picked up the pieces and she fell in love with him.
HN warrior: Thought she loved Alistair, it seemed proper. Liked Zevran well enough, but she never even considered him in the 'love' department in the beginning. An elf? And Lady Cousland? Not proper. No good. She fought it, she lost.
HN rogue (1): Jaded, po'd at the world, thought that making herself hard and cold would be the only way to survive. Zevran was a bed-warmer at first. Shallow, shallow relationship. Well, Zevran saw to it that it didn't stay that way. He actually softened her up, believe it or not.
HN rogue (2) my current play-through: PTSD, scared to feel, drawn to Alistair until the "oh, I forgot" remark. Intrigued by Zevran. Good friends at first, now they are both committed. Neither will admit love yet, but he's at 100 adore, and so is she. I know. Because I'm her maker, I know such things.
Mage: Fell for Alistair, got dumped, Zevran picked up the pieces and she fell in love with him.
HN warrior: Thought she loved Alistair, it seemed proper. Liked Zevran well enough, but she never even considered him in the 'love' department in the beginning. An elf? And Lady Cousland? Not proper. No good. She fought it, she lost.
HN rogue (1): Jaded, po'd at the world, thought that making herself hard and cold would be the only way to survive. Zevran was a bed-warmer at first. Shallow, shallow relationship. Well, Zevran saw to it that it didn't stay that way. He actually softened her up, believe it or not.
HN rogue (2) my current play-through: PTSD, scared to feel, drawn to Alistair until the "oh, I forgot" remark. Intrigued by Zevran. Good friends at first, now they are both committed. Neither will admit love yet, but he's at 100 adore, and so is she. I know. Because I'm her maker, I know such things.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:56
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Wow! 
Knowing all this makes me very happy indeed! I look forward to exploring happy endings. It's funny, at first I thought my Elf was too infatuated with Morrigan... that surely he would stick with her and I've heard what becomes of that... and then Zev would be his close friend and traveling companion. But Zev... oh... he's just too... welcoming. XD
Here's my lovely Dristen
Knowing all this makes me very happy indeed! I look forward to exploring happy endings. It's funny, at first I thought my Elf was too infatuated with Morrigan... that surely he would stick with her and I've heard what becomes of that... and then Zev would be his close friend and traveling companion. But Zev... oh... he's just too... welcoming. XD
Here's my lovely Dristen
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 02:58
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ooops... nevermind. XD
And damn... wtf... why did photobucket shrink my pic?! 0_0 It never used to shrink my uploads so small!
And damn... wtf... why did photobucket shrink my pic?! 0_0 It never used to shrink my uploads so small!
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:02
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I'd romance him. He's gorgeous. I do need to do a male playthrough to see the Morrigan romance, but I'm sure I'd just end up romancing Zevran anyway. He really is romance-crack.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:06
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ejoslin wrote...
I'd romance him. He's gorgeous. I do need to do a male playthrough to see the Morrigan romance, but I'm sure I'd just end up romancing Zevran anyway. He really is romance-crack.
I think I should have widened his jaw a bit... that's the only thing that bothers me. But somehow characters always look a little diferent in the creator than in the game, I swear it... must be the wacky lighting. Why character creation aparently takes place in a dark candle lit room, I will never know.
Oh... I ... don't even want to know how many playthroughs it will take for me to get the other characters. I think I'll just do like you and enjoy being stolen away or rescued from racist Alistair over and over. XD
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:20
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He's gorgeous, EccentricSage. Any of my girls would go for him in a heart-beat. Take that and stick it where the sun don't shine, Morrigan 
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:26
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My favorite girl. The bestest amazon in Thedas. I just thought I post her again. Why not. I'm darn proud of her after all.
I love the way she went with the story.
Here, she's listening to Zevran telling her that he likes the feeling of power when using his dagger.
While she agrees with him that 'some people need killing' (Howe and his murderous minions), she definitely doesn't with that one. She 'takes no pleasure in killing'.
I think the way she looks here goes perfectly with that conversation.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:44
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SPOILER ALERT! Not so much Zevran as just end game.
*Sigh* again, this Cousland is going to marry Alistair. WHY do I do that? Heh, she's going for a coupe though. The two Teyrnirs in Ferelden are going to belong to Couslands, plus if she has a child, it will be Cousland blood on the throne. Otherwise, it would make sense for a child of Fergus to be heir. Unless, of course, Alistair has a mistress and has children by her, I suppose. But still, with both Highever and Gwaren with Couslands as Teyrn(a)s, I see a new dynasty . . .
The main reason I'm going this way is I see problems with a Cousland/Zevran wedding, especially if she's Teyrna of Gwaren. And I want them to have as few complications as possible. It's still the worst ending for them where they're still together, but . . . Well, it's not completely decided. A lot depends if Alistair is still in love with her, or if she managed to get herself out of that situation in time. If Alistair is still in love, it's possible he will be fed to the arch demon instead.
*Sigh* again, this Cousland is going to marry Alistair. WHY do I do that? Heh, she's going for a coupe though. The two Teyrnirs in Ferelden are going to belong to Couslands, plus if she has a child, it will be Cousland blood on the throne. Otherwise, it would make sense for a child of Fergus to be heir. Unless, of course, Alistair has a mistress and has children by her, I suppose. But still, with both Highever and Gwaren with Couslands as Teyrn(a)s, I see a new dynasty . . .
The main reason I'm going this way is I see problems with a Cousland/Zevran wedding, especially if she's Teyrna of Gwaren. And I want them to have as few complications as possible. It's still the worst ending for them where they're still together, but . . . Well, it's not completely decided. A lot depends if Alistair is still in love with her, or if she managed to get herself out of that situation in time. If Alistair is still in love, it's possible he will be fed to the arch demon instead.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:53
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Thank you! I'm quoting your post with picture included, because it's just so lovely it needs to appear every page in this thread!Sresla wrote...
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The Best Screenshots? It's Sresla's pic, if we whine loud enough maybe it will end up posted here, too. :happy:
Why of course! I will say that I'm not a fan of his armor in this one but I deleted the save point so can't go back and re-take it, alas. Next playthrough!
I don't care for the leather armors in the game much, either. Is that Felon's Coat? Anyway, I keep him in Chasind Robe mostly. It's not perfect, either, but I guess I like the barbarian look better than the other choices.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 03:54
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For me, simply, is that the character dies Zevran. All training of crows, it fails to destroy the essence of Zevran, but the character's death destroys it completely.
Edit: Is the answer to an old post, I've realized that I was in a previous apagina. Sorry ^^
Edit: Is the answer to an old post, I've realized that I was in a previous apagina. Sorry ^^
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 04:02
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Are we posting pictures of our Zevran squeezes? I've posted this one before, too, but here goes. Now, if I could only stop fiddling with her, the two elves might actually get somewhere. I've re-spec'ed her at least three times now, trying to get hers and Morrigan's spell sets the way I want them. *sigh* I promised myself I'd stop doing that.
Sorry, I don't know how to make thumbnails so here is Sula, larger than life.
Sorry, I don't know how to make thumbnails so here is Sula, larger than life.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 04:43
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ahh, I shall have to jump back to this page when I get home. Stupid Photobucket being blocked. 
I have surprisingly few pictures uploaded of my city elf (*points to avatar*). Here's him having some quality time with Zevran. Remember, the couple that slays together, stays together!
(If anyone remembers a scenario in the Deep Roads... I think it's pretty soon after you run into the Legion of the Dead, there's a bridge or something and past the bridge, there are two rows of Genlocks standing in formation. These two stood at range and shot down the Genlocks like fish in a barrel. There were two rows of Genlock corpses in perfect formation after that. Hilarious.
Oh, man. I played the Landsmeet last night.
Just in terms of the way it's written and "directed" (in terms of the cinematography) is amazing. I felt honestly tense the whole time.
*mild spoilers*
To be on topic, of course my PC picked Zevran to be his champion, and watching Zevran and Loghain circle before the actual fight... guh.
It makes me wish, though, that Loghain would recognize Zevran before that bit of party banter. Would have been muuuch more interesting. ;D Maybe some comments thrown in there about loyalty or some such. But I suppose that's what we have fanfic for. 
I have surprisingly few pictures uploaded of my city elf (*points to avatar*). Here's him having some quality time with Zevran. Remember, the couple that slays together, stays together!
(If anyone remembers a scenario in the Deep Roads... I think it's pretty soon after you run into the Legion of the Dead, there's a bridge or something and past the bridge, there are two rows of Genlocks standing in formation. These two stood at range and shot down the Genlocks like fish in a barrel. There were two rows of Genlock corpses in perfect formation after that. Hilarious.
Oh, man. I played the Landsmeet last night.
Just in terms of the way it's written and "directed" (in terms of the cinematography) is amazing. I felt honestly tense the whole time. *mild spoilers*
To be on topic, of course my PC picked Zevran to be his champion, and watching Zevran and Loghain circle before the actual fight... guh.
It makes me wish, though, that Loghain would recognize Zevran before that bit of party banter. Would have been muuuch more interesting. ;D Maybe some comments thrown in there about loyalty or some such. But I suppose that's what we have fanfic for.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 05:16
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I love these pictures!
I have a few further thoughts about Zevran and love and sex and all that. Heh, another Alistair comparison. I ran into problems with trying to change the way things were going with Alistair -- wanting his character to be something other than it really turned out to be. When he started pulling away from my city elf in my first play through, I just kept denying it was happening. Heh, there are mods to address his, "Anything you need, my dear?" greeting and change it, because, face it, that greeting, if looked at honestly, just SUCKS for what it says. I am glad the story turned out the way it did (unhardened Alistair, dumped City Elf, rebounded Zevran, engagement to the best romance partner in the game), but the whole Alistair romance was rough once my character (and a small part of me) fell in love.
With Zevran, at first, sex is meaningless to him. It's something to enjoy, something to barter, and something to use to get what you need. It's after he falls in love that sex becomes an expression of love. With Alistair, sex is very meaningful at first -- so much so that he won't have sex unless he adores the Warden. In order to keep a relationship with him, the warden needs to change his mindset to the point where he is able to separate sex and love. Sex changes from being an expression of love to something that may be necessary for duty (creating an heir). You know if Alistair marries anyone other than a HNF in love, the sex he is having with her is not an expression of love, and maybe not even with the romanced HNF since there is that obligation to make an heir. Of course, this is King Alistair. If it's Grey Warden Alistair, it's irrelevant, because he is free to not have sex with anyone else nor is he expected to have children.
Not that Alistair actually ever has sex with my Couslands . . . All three are entering that arrangement with eyes wide open (which is why if Alistair is still in love with this Elissa, the ritual is not happening).
Gah, fanfic. Hate it. Am thinking of writing one. WHAT is wrong with me?
Edit: And yes, Zevran as champion always. I've never seen that fight last more than 10 seconds, even on nightmare. A warrior can't stand a chance against a DW rogue. I have actually spared Loghain as a thank you for sending Zevran to my warden! I love the way that whole things plays out.
Second edit: The fanfic comment, that's not exactly how I meant it to sound! *grin* I just never thought I'd be so into a fictional character that I'd want to write one!
I have a few further thoughts about Zevran and love and sex and all that. Heh, another Alistair comparison. I ran into problems with trying to change the way things were going with Alistair -- wanting his character to be something other than it really turned out to be. When he started pulling away from my city elf in my first play through, I just kept denying it was happening. Heh, there are mods to address his, "Anything you need, my dear?" greeting and change it, because, face it, that greeting, if looked at honestly, just SUCKS for what it says. I am glad the story turned out the way it did (unhardened Alistair, dumped City Elf, rebounded Zevran, engagement to the best romance partner in the game), but the whole Alistair romance was rough once my character (and a small part of me) fell in love.
With Zevran, at first, sex is meaningless to him. It's something to enjoy, something to barter, and something to use to get what you need. It's after he falls in love that sex becomes an expression of love. With Alistair, sex is very meaningful at first -- so much so that he won't have sex unless he adores the Warden. In order to keep a relationship with him, the warden needs to change his mindset to the point where he is able to separate sex and love. Sex changes from being an expression of love to something that may be necessary for duty (creating an heir). You know if Alistair marries anyone other than a HNF in love, the sex he is having with her is not an expression of love, and maybe not even with the romanced HNF since there is that obligation to make an heir. Of course, this is King Alistair. If it's Grey Warden Alistair, it's irrelevant, because he is free to not have sex with anyone else nor is he expected to have children.
Not that Alistair actually ever has sex with my Couslands . . . All three are entering that arrangement with eyes wide open (which is why if Alistair is still in love with this Elissa, the ritual is not happening).
Gah, fanfic. Hate it. Am thinking of writing one. WHAT is wrong with me?
Edit: And yes, Zevran as champion always. I've never seen that fight last more than 10 seconds, even on nightmare. A warrior can't stand a chance against a DW rogue. I have actually spared Loghain as a thank you for sending Zevran to my warden! I love the way that whole things plays out.
Second edit: The fanfic comment, that's not exactly how I meant it to sound! *grin* I just never thought I'd be so into a fictional character that I'd want to write one!
Modifié par ejoslin, 17 février 2010 - 05:39 .
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 05:48
AndreaDraco
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I really believe that, by the end of the game, sex with the Warden is indeed meaningful for Zevran, and certainly an expression of his love, but this doesn't mean - at least in my mind - that he can't still see sex with other people as a pleasant diversion. I'm not saying that this is the case, mind you, and my Warden(s) will surely be faithful to him, but I guess that I value emotional loyalty way more than physical one - I mean, the real beatiful thing about Zevran is that his love is complete and immense, by the end, and all for the Warden, and that's the really important thing, their unique love.
