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[Sabriana]

Yeah, the Zevran/Alistair banter takes on a whole other meaning if both are interested in the Warden. It came up with Alistair at 100 love, and Zevran at 87 adore. I avoided talking to them for a while, I wanted to stretch out the dialogues a bit. But this and quite a few other conversations come across as sniping each other at that point.



That's actually one of the reasons I take Zevran's "I don't want to hurt Alistair" with a grain of salt. Perhaps it is a reason, but surely it's not the only reason. It's Zevran, deflecting and defending again, imo.

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Alistair is quite jealous, no matter what!

even if your a guy hes jealous!

...shame I didnt take a screenshot of his reacting to Alexander saying hes jealous of me and zevran

also does any one know how to get the "you and zevran have a connection" part of the gossip dialogue if your romancing him or is it "females only"

It's romancing Alistair specific.  Even a friendzone Alistair female doesn't get that option.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 février 2010 - 07:20 .

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

It's romancing Alistair specific.  Even a friendzone Alistair female doesn't get that option.

but me and Alistair have a total bromance going on!

and guys get a variant of that dialogue if your romancing morrigan or leliena

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 18 février 2010 - 07:24 .

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Yeah, the Zevran/Alistair banter takes on a whole other meaning if both are interested in the Warden. It came up with Alistair at 100 love, and Zevran at 87 adore. I avoided talking to them for a while, I wanted to stretch out the dialogues a bit. But this and quite a few other conversations come across as sniping each other at that point.

That's actually one of the reasons I take Zevran's "I don't want to hurt Alistair" with a grain of salt. Perhaps it is a reason, but surely it's not the only reason. It's Zevran, deflecting and defending again, imo.

This conversation, I'm still not sure how to take it.  I think he's admitting to deep feelings, and also, he assumes, that if you're with both of them, he's the one you would be primarily with and Alistair (or Leliana) being strung along, only to be hurt later.  He laughs being jealous off and assures you that is not it and sounds quite charmed, but it also could be that that had never occurred to him that he may actually be jealous.  And while at first he tries to make it sound casual, if your warden challenges him on that (we've had our fun?  it would be that easy?) he admits it's more than that.  The one thing that is clear is he is not expecting to really be chosen.  He is surprised, relieved, happy when you choose him -- he actually sounds like he was holding his breath.  And what endears him to me is he also realizes that making the choice was not easy for you.  He accepts it if you tell him you don't want to talk.  Or he gives you that poetry reading to cheer you up.

He's so clumsy at actually romancing the warden.  But if you look at what he's saying, he is trying in his own way.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 février 2010 - 07:29 .

[Jaulen]

I don't havet he respec mod, so I work with buildiong the characters are they are initially given to me. And with only 6 tactic slots for Zev, I get rid of the 'come to the Warden's aid' tactic. Even with low health, and few tactic slots he's killer on the field. I especially think there's a Ghost for Zev since even with Tactics set, he'll go off and do something that's not at all in his tactics tree.







*I think he's admitting to deep feelings, and also, he assumes, that if you're with both of them, he's the one you would be primarily with and Alistair (or Leliana) being strung along, only to be hurt later. He laughs being jealous off and assures you that is not it and sounds quite charmed, but it also could be that that had never occurred to him. And while at first he tries to make it sound casual, if your warden challenges him on that (we've had our fun? it would be that easy?) he admits it's more than that. The one thing that is clear is he is not expecting to really be chosen. He is surprised, relieved, happy when you choose him. *



^ This.....

[Sabriana]

@ Ejoslin

Oh yeah, that sigh at the end had me actually reloading just to hear it again. It's like he was holding his breath. Oh noes..., here it comes.... squeeee



Well, you know, I think he's surprised when asked if he was jealous. That laugh doesn't sound as genuine as his other chuckles. I don't believe him, make that I don't believe everything he says that is personal to him ever since the fade. His relief at the end when chosen speaks volumes to my PC. She knows then that there was far more behind this than "Alistair would be hurt."

[soignee]

All this Zevran love makes me happy I am actually going ot take Morrigan's deal as I cannot bring myself to break Zev's heart as he's in love with my Brosca, and I can't put Zev through that

[Sabriana]

I'm glad. Zevran doesn't deserve it. I watched that funeral scene only once (plus epilogue), and promptly re-loaded. I don't think I have the strength to ever watch that again.

[Cuddlezarro]

the only ultimate sacrifice ending I can put myself through is if I romance an Unhardened Leliena(infact mr "grey warden magic" mage from the wynn thread is supposed to get that ending... but like dear Baren I just cant stand romancing Leliena and will probably have to break up with her to get the urge to finish that playthrough...)

its kind of sick i have no problem doing the ending which causes your lover to commit suicide, yet cant stand the thought making the beas tthat is Zevran that depressed and broken

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 18 février 2010 - 08:03 .

[Sabriana]

She commits suicide? Wow. Still, Zevran dies too, but he's only dead on the inside. I don't know what is worse - being out of the rat-race completely, or go through it dead on the inside.

[Cuddlezarro]

well it doesnt outright say she commits suicide her ending slide says she "vanishes and the last thing she said to any one was that she would be with her love again"

which to me is pretty much reads as "her killing herself to be with her love"

edit: also I think being emotionally dead is worse than being dead dead since if your emotionally dead your still suffering until you physically died

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 18 février 2010 - 08:20 .

[ejoslin]

I agree that Zevran's ending is by far the most tragic. Alistair may disappear. Leliana may commit suicide. Zevran . . . becomes the absolute worst he could ever be. Everything that made him special, his joy, his love of life, his love of pleasure, his compassion -- all dead, along with the Warden.

[Creature 1]

There are some endings I think I'll only try if I kill Zevran upon meeting him.

[Jaulen]

*I agree that Zevran's ending is by far the most tragic. Alistair may disappear. Leliana may commit suicide. Zevran . . . becomes the absolute worst he could ever be. Everything that made him special, his joy, his love of life, his love of pleasure, his compassion -- all dead, along with the Warden.*



^ Now I'm all depressed. *sniff*

[Sabriana]

It's even worse than that. He's not only dead inside, he is also isolated - by his own choice. He can't even stand having people around him any longer.

Gah! I swear, I will never even think about touching that ending again if Zevran is romanced (which he is all the time. None of my PCs seem to be able to keep their hands off him). Loghain is the stand-by archdemon fodder from now on. Unless my PC comes to the conclusion that Alistair truly wants to go out in a blaze of glory and absolutely hates the idea of being king alongside Anora.

Yes, Anora will be there, because Eamon needs to go away. He's another one I don't really like. The way he decides Alistair's fate without even asking him always stuck wrong with my PC. And then he goes on and on about 'advising' Alistair, and 'helping' him. However, if Anora is there, he suddenly doesn't want that any longer. How come? Alistair could still use help doing kingly things.

I bet it's because Eamon planned to be the real power behind the throne, and Anora being there threw a monkey wrench in is plans.

[Cuddlezarro]

well Eamons getting screwed over by Alexander since dear Alex thinks Alistair would make a ****** poor king and is going to marry that cow Anora because he feels that would be best for the kingdom (and theres no way in hell he is letting Anora walk over him either)

while he likes Alistair even if he is to...optimistic for his own good, Alistair doesnt even want to be king, has ZERO experience with politics and has no idea how to rule and would essentially be Eamons puppet

I also wish i could name myself king without marrying Anora

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 18 février 2010 - 08:44 .

[Jaulen]

You know, digressing here, butI just understand what real claim Anora has to the throne other than she was married to the King. Otherwise, does she have any royal/noble blood to speak of?



I'm trying to think of situations in history where a Queen by marriage and not bloodline stays on the throne just due to her being a married into the royal family Queen when the King dies.



Closest situation I can think of is Queen Katherine, but then she only stays Queen becuase her Husband's brother, Henry, marries her, otherwise she would have lost power.

[Sabriana]

What happens if a HNM takes the throne with Anora, the ritual is done, Alistair is 'hardened', and no one dies? What does Alistair do?



As king, poor Alistair would always end up as someone's puppet. Anora, the HNF, or Eamon. Unless he's hardened, and Loghain takes the falling blow. Love that line "If Anora thinks she will rule, she will be surprised." Good on you Alistair. Bravo.

[Cuddlezarro]

Otherwise, does she have any royal/noble blood to speak of?

shes officially a noble since shes the daughter of a Teyrn even if her father only became a noble a few decades before



shes also rather well liked as a ruler and respected which helps her claim

[Cuddlezarro]

What happens if a HNM takes the throne with Anora, the ritual is done, Alistair is 'hardened', and no one dies? What does Alistair do?

alistair goes back the grey wardens and lives happily ever after



and the main character and Anora help ferelden enter a new age of prosperity... or they would have if they would stopped trying to take control of the throne from each other

[Sabriana]

You know, Jaulen, some people say that Loghain being raised to nobility automatically makes them nobles. However, all through the game, many people refer to Loghain as a 'commoner'.

I think true nobility is of old noble blood. The Couslands have been nobility for hundreds of years, intermarrying with other nobles all the while.

Loghain is a farmer's son, and his wife was a commoner (I believe, I might mis-remember though). So Anora should have zero noble blood. Had Loghain married a noble, then it's more obscure. Anora would be a noble half-blood, but Loghain would still be a commoner.

Anyway, that's my take on it. I'm German, and we know our nobles, and that's how it usually worked back then. Now that's all history because marrying a commoner doesn't even raise any eye-brows nowadays.

[Cuddlezarro]

Loghain is a farmer's son, and his wife was a commoner (I believe, I might mis-remember though).

Anoras mother was the daughter of a cabinet maker so yes she was a commoner

[Sabriana]

She is officially a noble with common blood. No one can reverse Maric's decision to elevate Loghain. Anora can marry a noble (and she would have to, I doubt the nobility would accept a commoner husband), and then they can start the noble blood line.

It's so complicated, and I'm not sure I'm explaining this right. Starting from Anora and her noble husband, the children would then become not only noble, but of noble blood, having their own bloodline.

So, Anora, being a noble, could start the noble blood line, but never be able to be of noble blood.



Ack! These nobles are going on my nerves

[EccentricSage]

Wow, you guys are hard to keep up with!!! XD







Ummmm....



I agree that Zev is no sociopathic killer. Even though there are moments early on where Zev's tales make Dristen uncomfortable, he KNOWS there is kindness in him, too. My Dalish is a child of nature in the truest sense, and nature isn't all fuzzy Hallas and Grand Oak hugging, ya know. So he has a pretty easy time granting Zev the benefit of a doubt during his darker moments and can usually understand where Zev is coming from even when they disagree. They're quite the pair... I hadn't even intended it, really, but though they have such verry diferent backgrounds, and though Dristen has a much happier past than Zevran, the more we get to know Zevran's true personality, the more alike the two are. It is just so meant to be.



As for Alistair getting jealous over a male character, he had jealous dialogue with Morrigan when when Dristen was becoming serious with her. Or at least he certainly sounded jealous, and Morrigan teased him for it. lol I also remember him getting all ****y at Zevran when we started to get real close. XD So yeah... Closet case to the bitter end?

[Jaulen]

Sabriana, That's what I thought, her mother was a commoner, and so was Loghain, and he's referred to often as a 'commoner'. (American here, and I think many Americans get caught up in the Disney Princess/Prince fanatsy without taking into account the realities of inheritance and nobility in the mindset that DA:O is modeled on)

Plus Anora's claim to throne is by marriage only. And even if she has noble blood based on the fact her father was raised to Teryn (and very briefly ago, heck a Howe would have more claim than a newly minted noble), that doesn't matter really when faced with Alistair or a Cousland for that matter, since 1) she has no ROYAL blood, and 2) for inheritance purposes she is at the bottom of the totem pole when inheritance and bloodlines are drawn out.

Edit: Sabriana: You said exactly what I was trying to say, and not saying very clearly.....she may be a noble, but not of noble blood......

Modifié par Jaulen, 18 février 2010 - 09:11 .