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[jenovan]

Sabriana wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Well, until it was confirmed, you were only having a hard workout. She could have come angry faced and asked what that noise was, to which Zev boasted about his and the wardens sexual adventures. It is more fun to imagine it that way.

Weren't you the one who made me spit out my coffee in the other thread that had a similar question about Leliana? It was you who said "She closes her eyes and tells herself: they're training, they're training...." wasn't it.

And don't deny it, I'm onto you, Herr Uhl.

LOL.
And somehow I can imagine Alistair doing the same thing... especially if the PC is male..

[Nonvita]

Leliana's fine, as a friend... HN managed to keep her firmly friend-routed (even as a female, what a shocker!), and she's been fine. It seems you just have to constantly remind her you're not interested and *eventually* she'll get the idea. I will admit, she does even have some lines that are so cute even I, the cold-hearted stone that I am, giggled girlishly and blushed.



But one of the reasons I don't want to play my mage is because she'd end up romancing Leliana, and I'm thoroughly uninterested in it. Same reason I'm not interested in romancing Alistair anymore, is that there's nothing really there beyond the sweet honey-covered romantic mush. At least Alistair is genuinely nice, while I'm not sure how to feel about Leliana.



*sigh* Next playthrough there will definitely be Zevran love going on. I think it'll be fun, too, as a DE, since she'll have absolutely zero interest in Alistair, so it'll be Zev and Zev alone. =D Unless I go screwing it up again somehow... I don't know why I'm so bad at letting characters just be happy... >.<



@Sabriana- don't stop your squeeing! It's been a long several days and the squees are a sight for sore eyes. XD

[EccentricSage]

Creature 1 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I dont picture my Warden getting drunk with Zevran but thats because of my opinion on Alcohol (hate the stuff personally though i have no problem with people drinking it I just dont like it myself)

I didn't mean getting drunk.  I meant having fun.  There is a wine bottle by the Warden's bedroll which is why I said drinking wine, but that's not necessary either.  I just see them kicking back, relaxing, laughing, having a good time, having fun, having sex, and all sorts of carrying on that would drive a bitter old woman crazy.

I don't think Zevran would get drunk.  Maybe buzzed, but not drunk.  If you get drunk, your reaction time slows, you say stupid things, and do things you later regret.  For a Crow all of these things are very bad.  I think if he did get drunk before it was only with Taliesin.  

I agree... that makes sence... considering how he is about emotions due to the danger, I imagine he'd be downright phobic of drunkeness.  Though on the other hand, I remember his excitement about the black Ale that the Dwarves make.  So he must enjoy a drink.

[Sabriana]

jenovan wrote...

lots of clever things..

Yes, I could very well see the irritated Zevran coming out. He wasn't all too pleased with Murdock, and that was at the very beginning. He seems to be the only one who thinks the Warden knows what she is doing, and gives her the credit she deserves instead of treating her like an imbecile who has no clue what's going on.

That play-through was the one I ditched btw, because my silly PC turned the romance off inadvertantly. It wasn't too satisfying anyways, because I did the dalish quest first, and it never felt quite right without Zevran.

[Cuddlezarro]

But one of the reasons I don't want to play my mage is because she'd end up romancing Leliana, and I'm thoroughly uninterested in it

I know the feeling...thats why I conveniently dragged her along with my dwarf casteless to defile the ashes (hes a bloody dwarf the ashes have no meaning to him what so ever)

[Herr Uhl]

Sabriana wrote...
He seems to be the only one who thinks the Warden knows what she is doing, and gives her the credit she deserves instead of treating her like an imbecile who has no clue what's going on.

Oghren also approves of your actions, well he seldom chimes in discontent at least, unless it's about Felsi or Branka (ergo. stop wasting time warden, I'm not here to chat).

Edit: Well, Oghren and dog.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 18 février 2010 - 11:03 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Oghren doesnt approve of you killing Conner



I lost -20 approval for doing that little stunt but hes easy to gain approval with (yay gifts!)

[Sabriana]

Yeah, that's true, Herr Uhl.

I also like to take him to the fade, and the gauntlet. There's a whole other side to Oghren that people just don't see if they just ditch him at camp.

Wait a minute. That's deja vu all over again. No wonder Zevran and Oghren get along so well

Oh gah! It's midnight here. Where the heck did the time go? No fair. At least it could be Friday, but I guess I'm all out of luck. Nite.

Modifié par Sabriana, 18 février 2010 - 11:07 .

[Nonvita]

Dog only questions Alistair. And rightfully so.

Sabriana wrote...

Yeah, that's true, Herr Uhl.
I also
like to take him to the fade, and the gauntlet. There's a whole other
side to Oghren that people just don't see if they just ditch him at
camp.

Wait a minute. That's deja vu all over again. No wonder Zevran and Oghren get along so well

Awwww I need to get Oghren earlier on! *starts making excuses why her DE will go to Orzammar first...*

Modifié par Nonvita, 18 février 2010 - 11:08 .

[Cuddlezarro]

I also like to take him to the fade, and the gauntlet. There's a whole other side to Oghren that people just don't see if they just ditch him at camp.

he also points out that the sacred ashes are magical for reasons completely different than the chantry's beliefs

[EccentricSage]

Nonvita wrote...

Leliana's fine, as a friend... HN managed to keep her firmly friend-routed (even as a female, what a shocker!), and she's been fine. It seems you just have to constantly remind her you're not interested and *eventually* she'll get the idea. I will admit, she does even have some lines that are so cute even I, the cold-hearted stone that I am, giggled girlishly and blushed.

But one of the reasons I don't want to play my mage is because she'd end up romancing Leliana, and I'm thoroughly uninterested in it. Same reason I'm not interested in romancing Alistair anymore, is that there's nothing really there beyond the sweet honey-covered romantic mush. At least Alistair is genuinely nice, while I'm not sure how to feel about Leliana.

*sigh* Next playthrough there will definitely be Zevran love going on. I think it'll be fun, too, as a DE, since she'll have absolutely zero interest in Alistair, so it'll be Zev and Zev alone. =D Unless I go screwing it up again somehow... I don't know why I'm so bad at letting characters just be happy... >.

@Sabriana- don't stop your squeeing! It's been a long several days and the squees are a sight for sore eyes. XD

See, as a friend I thought she was fine at first... thought she was a sweet and silly cute girl who just was led down a bad path and wants redemption, so turned to religion.  I'm not religious, and I don't like religion, but I'm tolerant of it, so ok, cool with that.  Now I find that I had her all wrong.  IRL I would never be friends with someone who is not genuine.  That is rule #1 in my book.  Her character's fakeyness rubs me the wrong way.  I was really happy to realise that Zevran was trying to show that he's on to her.  She likes him, and I thought that was cute, but I wonder what more I'll learn about Zev's take on her.  Maybe I am wrong.  lol  I'd love for him to speek his mind on this matter!  I require some guidence!  XD  Maybe I'll do her personal quest just to find out wtf is up with this girl.  I sence sociopath.  F***, at least Morrigan is HONEST about what SHE is.  She was pretty up front with my character about the fact that she manipulates people and is a selfish person.  I apreciated it.  But Lel?  *shivers* 

Have you tried a male romance with Zev?  Heeeeeee...!   Cute boys!  Two is better than one!  ;D

DE gives one an interesting perspective on the world.  I'm realy enjoying it.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Jaulen wrote...

*Alistair does manage to strike a nerve once, though. Heh, once. Do not doubt Zevran's feelings of loyalty towards the warden, ever!*

Oooh, what's that dialogue?

He gets almost ticked off in the dialog where Alistair asks him if he plans on returning to the crows, and asks Alistair why he thinks he intends on going anywhere afterwards.  

He also gets pretty angry with Alistair in another dialog and tells him he needs to start asking for forgiveness himself -- that actually is one of my favorite dialogs though.  Alistair doesn't strike a nerve there, but I think Zevran makes a really good point.

The first one shocked me when I heard it, because I think it was the only time I had heard actual anger in Zevran's voice.

Speaking of the 2nd dialogue, when I get home I'm going to post a screen cap which shows Zevran making a gesture of prayer in the Chantry (when you ask for a blessing from the Revered Mother in Redcliffe).  It was fascinating to me.  It is different than the Fereldan prayer gestures.  A hand lifted up palm turned in, and then palm turned out.  It is very similar to a gesture made in some Orthodox churches, where you kiss your palm and then turn your hand outward- to symbolize thanks in both plenty and want.  So beautifully appropriate to Zevran's character.  If someone at Bioware did that on purpose, I bow to them.

Edit:  At some point is a forum mod going to tell us that this thread has reached its maximum page limit?  Are they going to tell us that Cafe Zevran needs to find new digs? 

Modifié par Addai67, 18 février 2010 - 11:17 .

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...


The first one shocked me when I heard it, because I think it was the only time you hear actual anger in Zevran's voice.

Speaking of the 2nd dialogue, when I get home I'm going to post a screen cap which shows Zevran making a gesture of prayer in the Chantry (when you ask for a blessing from the Revered Mother in Redcliffe).  It was fascinating to me.  It is different than the Fereldan prayer gestures.  A hand lifted up palm turned in, and then palm turned out.  It is very similar to a gesture made in some Orthodox churches, where you kiss your palm and then turn your hand outward- to symbolize thanks in plenty and want.  So beautifully appropriate to Zevran's character.  If someone at Bioware did that on purpose, I bow to them.

Zevran gets angry.  I've heard him angry a couple of times at the warden, in fact.  When he thinks she may make a deal with the slavers, in fact, he's very angry.  But that is the only time you really hear him angry with anyone else, where he lets his guard down with anyone other than the Warden.  In a way, his being angry with the warden is also showing a lot of trust -- anger instead of deflection is a surprise.

Zevran also, when entering Andestre's resting place, if he talks, he is obviously devout.  "Mother of mercy! It IS real!"  Then he makes the "nice vase" comment, but that initial reaction surprised me the first time I heard it.  Now I reload every time I enter to hear it.  Even for my non-devout characters, it's touching and unexpected.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 février 2010 - 11:20 .

[Jaulen]

I must say, I really love reading everyone's take and insights into the characters and not just Zevran.



AND I like reading the different convo options I may not have tried or even done/gotten to yet. Since I am an impatient person that doesn't like suprises.



Zevran and Morrigan are *real* as is they are who they are....they do have a more vulnerable side that they don't let show, but Leli, I think sociopath would fit her nicely. Okay, maybe not that harsh, how about dual personality?

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...
Edit:  At some point is a forum mod going to tell us that this thread has reached its maximum page limit?  Are they going to tell us that Cafe Zevran needs to find new digs? 

*Points at Tali 2.0 thread in ME2 forums*

1150 pages until closure.

[Cuddlezarro]

Zevran and Morrigan are *real* as is they are who they are....they do have a more vulnerable side that they don't let show, but Leli, I think sociopath would fit her nicely. Okay, maybe not that harsh, how about dual personality?

I wouldent say leliena has a dual personality but shes some one was forced out of a life they enjoyed and no matter how much she tries to deny or run away from it because it ruined her life she cant seem to let go of it

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 18 février 2010 - 11:24 .

[Addai]

Oh yes, I knew Zevran was devout because of the dialogue with Alistair. I just like the idea that the prayer gesture is similar to that one used to express thanks for either plenty or want. Something very central to Zevran's character, the idea of taking things as they come and making the best of them.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Oh yes, I knew Zevran was devout because of the dialogue with Alistair. I just like the idea that the prayer gesture is similar to that one used to express thanks for either plenty or want. Something very central to Zevran's character, the idea of taking things as they come and making the best of them.

Oooh, gotcha now.  I don't think I ever made that connection.  Off to redcliff I go!

*sigh* is there anything that isn't special about him?  So many unexpected things.

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Oh yes, I knew Zevran was devout because of the dialogue with Alistair. I just like the idea that the prayer gesture is similar to that one used to express thanks for either plenty or want. Something very central to Zevran's character, the idea of taking things as they come and making the best of them.

Oooh, gotcha now.  I don't think I ever made that connection.  Off to redcliff I go!

*sigh* is there anything that isn't special about him?  So many unexpected things.

his hair... sorry long hair on a guy is a turn off for me... :3

[Nonvita]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

his hair... sorry long hair on a guy is a turn off for me... :3

Lol. Normally I would agree, but somehow he makes it look good. XD


I was really surprised at first when hearing Zevran's forgiveness banter with Alistair. It was certainly not entirely pleasant to my CE, who's against the religion as she views it as something imposed by the humans. I respect it about him because he seems genuine about his beliefs, and he certainly isn't preachy about them (except when he wants to be), but it's probably something they wouldn't talk about much. =P I think it's an interesting part of his character, though.

[EccentricSage]

Addai67 wrote...


The first one shocked me when I heard it, because I think it was the only time I had heard actual anger in Zevran's voice.

Speaking of the 2nd dialogue, when I get home I'm going to post a screen cap which shows Zevran making a gesture of prayer in the Chantry (when you ask for a blessing from the Revered Mother in Redcliffe).  It was fascinating to me.  It is different than the Fereldan prayer gestures.  A hand lifted up palm turned in, and then palm turned out.  It is very similar to a gesture made in some Orthodox churches, where you kiss your palm and then turn your hand outward- to symbolize thanks in both plenty and want.  So beautifully appropriate to Zevran's character.  If someone at Bioware did that on purpose, I bow to them.

Edit:  At some point is a forum mod going to tell us that this thread has reached its maximum page limit?  Are they going to tell us that Cafe Zevran needs to find new digs? 

It didn't shock me, because early on with Zev my Dristen pissed him off.  XD  There is a defensive side to Zev.  My poor confused Dalish, oh so facinated with this elf from another land, but oh so freeked out that someone tried to assassinate him, made the mistake of bringing up the assassination atempt during the first convo we had about our interest in eachother, preluding sex....  Oy.... XD  Dristen got nervous and decided to say he's not sure how he feels, and left Zev hanging untill later.  But man... angry Zev sure makes you take notice. 

I also loved his convo with Alistair about religion.  I wasn't sure if it's true that he prays for forgivness or if it was just him confronting Alistair with his hypocracy.  Oh man oh man did Alistair have that coming ether way!!!  But what you say about the jesture of prayer... wow... guess he is religous.  I wish they went into his views on religion more.  I'm so curious.  But I'm also perfectly happy that he is the sort who keeps it to himself and doesn't judge others for differing beleifs and all. 

Have any of you defiled the ashes with Zevran present?  How did he react?
My Dalish is only interested in wether or not their own panthion are still listening... he's highly suspect of other religions, and Dislikes the chantry, though he respects individuals and donated money in Lothering.  He is verry angry about them removing verses that spoke of the elves, and outraged still about them takeing the Dales and trying to force their religion on elves.  He also hates the way they treat mages.  It makes his blood run cold to imagine what would happen if they ever took notice of the Dalish mages.  But he couldn't bring himself to defile the ashes, because Andraste had been a friend to his people, even if the chantry does not honor their place in her presence anymore.  But I also didn't kill the dragon, and left the temple without clearing it.  They have a right to their beliefs, and the Dragons are not darkspawn.  A part of him feals bad for the dragons.

[Cuddlezarro]

Have any of you defiled the ashes with Zevran present? How did he react?

didnt react to it at all

[EccentricSage]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Zevran and Morrigan are *real* as is they are who they are....they do have a more vulnerable side that they don't let show, but Leli, I think sociopath would fit her nicely. Okay, maybe not that harsh, how about dual personality?

I wouldent say leliena has a dual personality but shes some one was forced out of a life they enjoyed and no matter how much she tries to deny or run away from it because it ruined her life she cant seem to let go of it

A person who does not feal any remorse is by defenition a sociopath, though... it's not just an insult people throw around, but an actual psychological diagnosis.  Sociopaths are often perfectly happy and verry sucsesful at what they do.  Some may even choose to be nice.  But they are by their nature not trustworthy, because they have an abnormalcy with their emotions.... they do not feel for others... they do not have the capacity for empathy... they feal wants, and pleasures, but not true compassion.  They are master manipulators as a result, and often act inocent or pious if they beleave the result will be favorable.  I could be wrong... maybe she really was in love with her... guh... what did she call her again?  Well yeah... if the love was real, then technically not a sociopath... but I've yet to see the evidence.

Morrigan and Zevran guard their vulnerabilities.  Lelliana uses vulnerability to get atention and trust.  At best, she has a Marry-Sue complex, and ugh... I hate girls like that.

Why, oh why, did Lel have to be the Lesbian option and not Morrigan?!  UGH!  I refuse damnit, I refuse!

[EccentricSage]

double post.  dunno how it happened. 

Modifié par EccentricSage, 18 février 2010 - 11:52 .

[ejoslin]

I wouldn't expect him to. He is a pragmatist. Sten surprises me there, actually; his approval with the guardian. I really like taking Sten to Haven and to the gauntlet.