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[Corker]

Hello, ZevThread!  I have a Zevran character-related question and thought I'd bring it to the experts.  If it doesn't interrupt the pajama party.

I've been keeping a record of my playthrough in a chat-log style, inspired by Recidiva's "Psychic Impulses" thread.  There is some added material - dialogue I wished I could have had, mostly.  In that vein, I'm considering what exactly the relationship is between Zevran and Master Ignacio.

If you ask Zevran if he came all the way from Antiva to kill you, he says that he was already in the neighborhood.  Master Ignacio seems to be the Crow master arranging business in Ferelden at the moment, and since he's in Denerim, would surely have been Howe's contact there.  It doesn't seem too far-fetched to me that Ignacio is, at least for the moment, Zevran's handler.  Zevran speaks occasionally of Crow "cells," so it's possible they've worked together longer - possibly since Zevran was recruited.  Whether or not he's the master Zevran speaks of in his story about Rinna... I'm not sold on it, but it could certainly be possible.

That's my non-canonical add.  My question is: If offered the Warden's support in killing Ignacio, would Zevran take that offer?  Or would he just leave well enough alone (as Ignacio claims to consider him 'dead' and won't interfere - that's Taliesin's job to handle)?

For what it's worth, the Warden in question is a DCF at +95 Adore.

Edit: Top of the page?  Eek!  I have a screenshot somewhere, let me go
upload it to somewhere...

Edit 2: I fail at uploading and linking, apparently.   Text link to SFW screencap is texty.

Together in unconsciousness. Isn't that sweet?

Modifié par Corker, 30 mai 2010 - 11:32 .

[Aroihkin]

Hahaha, Alley in Legion armor of course. XD I've written the DA version in normal clothes, but she wasn't happy about it. And she looks goofy. XD It's not that far off for me other than being freaking plate armor, being a biker chick RL and all. (Also part of why I did the shades, so my avatar's kinda me as well as Alley!)

Haha, Sarah. If Alley was more talkative, it sounds like she and Aunn could totally "girl-talk" armor. As it is, she'd just grunt and drink her tea. She should come with subtitles for her shrugs and such, I think.

[Aroihkin]

Corker wrote...

Hello, ZevThread!  I have a Zevran character-related question and thought I'd bring it to the experts.  If it doesn't interrupt the pajama party.

I've been keeping a record of my playthrough in a chat-log style, inspired by Recidiva's "Psychic Impulses" thread.  There is some added material - dialogue I wished I could have had, mostly.  In that vein, I'm considering what exactly the relationship is between Zevran and Master Ignacio.

If you ask Zevran if he came all the way from Antiva to kill you, he says that he was already in the neighborhood.  Master Ignacio seems to be the Crow master arranging business in Ferelden at the moment, and since he's in Denerim, would surely have been Howe's contact there.  It doesn't seem too far-fetched to me that Ignacio is, at least for the moment, Zevran's handler.  Zevran speaks occasionally of Crow "cells," so it's possible they've worked together longer - possibly since Zevran was recruited.  Whether or not he's the master Zevran speaks of in his story about Rinna... I'm not sold on it, but it could certainly be possible.

That's my non-canonical add.  My question is: If offered the Warden's support in killing Ignacio, would Zevran take that offer?  Or would he just leave well enough alone (as Ignacio claims to consider him 'dead' and won't interfere - that's Taliesin's job to handle)?

For what it's worth, the Warden in question is a DCF at +95 Adore.

Edit: Top of the page?  Eek!  I have a screenshot somewhere, let me go
upload it to somewhere...

I thiiink him saying he was already in the neighborhood was a lie, since he later says he "accepted this contract in Ferelden, far away from home".(to kill the Grey Wardens) as part of his death-wish. But I have no doubt that he's dealt with Ignacio before in some measure, perhaps he's who he hired his mercenaries through for the ambush, or something.

I don't think he cares one way or another if Ignacio is dead or alive, so long as Ignacio plays nicely. But it could probably be written either way, to be honest.

[Sarah1281]

Aroihkin wrote...

Hahaha, Alley in Legion armor of course. XD I've written the DA version in normal clothes, but she wasn't happy about it. And she looks goofy. XD It's not that far off for me other than being freaking plate armor, being a biker chick RL and all. (Also part of why I did the shades, so my avatar's kinda me as well as Alley!)
Haha, Sarah. If Alley was more talkative, it sounds like she and Aunn could totally "girl-talk" armor. As it is, she'd just grunt and drink her tea. She should come with subtitles for her shrugs and such, I think.

Yeah, Aunn has better girltalk with Shale than with Leliana. And Shale's a dwarf as well so they've got that in common. I know Shale was trying to be sarcastic when she suggested that talking about killing things was a girlish topic of conversation but Aunn was like 'Finally! No more putting up with prattling about shoes!'

Edit: And, of course, I'm taking the codex about how dwarven nobility weave chainmail into their evening wear to mean that she doen't actually own anything that doesn't serve as some sort of armor.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 30 mai 2010 - 11:25 .

[Nonvita]

@Corker--I don't think he'd try to kill Ignacio. Zevran seems to want nothing more to do with the Crows, and getting himself in deeper trouble seems counter to his otherwise I-don't-want-to-die-anymore attitude.



And agreed with Aro that his comment about being near Ferelden was a lie. He makes another comment that this was his first time outside of Antiva, and it seems he really went out of his way to take the Grey Warden contract only because it was a suicide mission, not out of convenience.

[Sarah1281]

I always read that comment as a typical 'so I just happened to be in the neighborhood...' type of thing.

[soignee]

Nonvita wrote...

@Corker--I don't think he'd try to kill Ignacio. Zevran seems to want nothing more to do with the Crows, and getting himself in deeper trouble seems counter to his otherwise I-don't-want-to-die-anymore attitude.

And agreed with Aro that his comment about being near Ferelden was a lie. He makes another comment that this was his first time outside of Antiva, and it seems he really went out of his way to take the Grey Warden contract only because it was a suicide mission, not out of convenience.

I read it as this too. But my Ignacio gets a dagger to his throat, not decided if Zevran or Missa does it yet.

[Aroihkin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

Hahaha, Alley in Legion armor of course. XD I've written the DA version in normal clothes, but she wasn't happy about it. And she looks goofy. XD It's not that far off for me other than being freaking plate armor, being a biker chick RL and all. (Also part of why I did the shades, so my avatar's kinda me as well as Alley!)
Haha, Sarah. If Alley was more talkative, it sounds like she and Aunn could totally "girl-talk" armor. As it is, she'd just grunt and drink her tea. She should come with subtitles for her shrugs and such, I think.

Yeah, Aunn has better girltalk with Shale than with Leliana. And Shale's a dwarf as well so they've got that in common. I know Shale was trying to be sarcastic when she suggested that talking about killing things was a girlish topic of conversation but Aunn was like 'Finally! No more putting up with prattling about shoes!'

Edit: And, of course, I'm taking the codex about how dwarven nobility weave chainmail into their evening wear to mean that she doen't actually own anything that doesn't serve as some sort of armor.

My logic is that anything but light armor was so unheard of in the alienage (and even that was hidden carefully, I only know it's even there because of how Shianni dresses for the siege, etc) that now that she's wearing "proper" armor with a "proper" shield, Alley haaaates dressing back down into civvie clothes. She had to go through a lot of almost-fatal crap for the right to wear all that armor! lol

And it's not like any of the civvie clothes she has in her pack are nice, all things considered. Even the wedding dress (which she does still have, yes) is all blood-stained and looked retarded on her anyway.

Plus, a city elf in clothing is a target. A city elf in plate is someone you don't want to screw with.

She would probably approve of dwarven noble fashion choices with the chain woven in, though, even if she'd never wear it. XD She'd be like "Well, that's a trick." and privately think it was awesome though, haha.

I imagine for both gals the lightness of plain cloth is rather disconcerting. XD Even though Alley wore rags for most of her life, she'd still be unsettled by going back to it. And she was, when I crushed her ribcage and she had to go without all that weight again for a while.

[Herr Uhl]

As I see it.



He doesn't have anything against Ignacio personally, he just doesn't want the warden to get involved in what he was caught in. If the warden tries to kill him, he joins in, so that should be self-explanatory.



And the "around the neighborhood" was a joke.

[EccentricSage]

Sannox wrote...

@ Purifico I agree about the templars, Ser Otto & co.    They are all rather nice.  It must be very tempting for the mages to misbehave and get taken in for questioning and so forth.   

And there's Cullen, of course.  ETA (because I was late posting and didn't read the posts above about him).  I do find him appealing.   (As a fantasy, fictional character, of course - in real life, no).   It's that suppressed passion.  I love that his desire for the female mage is so taboo for him that he actually runs away, and yet he can't stop feeling it and obsessing.   If your character ever did get to have her way with him, he would be so tortured.  I love that. 

Charsen Ugra is ugly in a cute way.  I suppose it might just be possible to make a game where the NPCs could see whether the character was attractive or not.   There do seem to be some rules about attractiveness (symmetry, etc.).

Know I'm late to this convo, but I second this.  I wish Cullen had a bigger part in the game.  I think there could have been a really great side story there.  I haven't played through my female mage character to the point where I return to the tower yet, but in the origin I was stunned by how awkward and sweet he was in contrast to his relative murderous rage in the Broken Circle scene.  Granted, I understand... he was devoted to his faith and duty above all else but was still highly sympathetic and personable towards you as a mage, and then he sees so many people, including his fellow templars, mercilesly slaughtered and the place over run with abominations and demons.  For him to hate mages after that is irational, yet understandable, and really rather tragic.  I think the mage origin would have been a lot better if it focused more on the profound tragedy of the whole situation instead of 'look look!  It's like Harry Potter for big kids!  Oooooooh!'  *sigh*

It's funny though, first I met him was as a Dalish so I only so the hateful madman.  I was really surprised to find myself finding him so weirdly adorable in the Mage Origin.  I mean, really, so painfully conflicted and awkward despite clearly being in his early 30's judging by his apearance.  I think that would drive my elven mage mad with desire, since she would be victim of the opressive environment too, and here is this templar who doesn't hide behind a helmet and speeks to her with warmth and familiarity, as an equal, and practicaly shudders at the thought of slaying mages... and the fact that some Templars enjoy it.  He seemed so sensitive and just as much a prisoner of circumstances as my mage.  I would have loved for him to have more dialogue and a clear backstory.

Considering the fact that Alistair only escaped becoming a Templar by being conscripted by Dunkan goes to show that while some may have volunteared for that line of work, those who are raised by the Chantry seem to be slaves themselves.  I really hope there will be future storylines that goes into depth on the lives of the Templars.  I'd love a Templar origin.  One that gives me a reason to at least start out from a religiously devout POV, as it would be refreshingly chalanging to RP for me.


Also...

Zevran is too awesome by far!  And Dristen finally got to the big relationship talk and earing.  I decided not to push him into the proposal.  It seemed more natural for Dristen to say he understands what Zev is fealing and feals the same.  Oh, the warm fuzzies!  *__*

[Sarah1281]

I imagine for both gals the lightness of plain cloth is rather disconcerting. XD Even though Alley wore rags for most of her life, she'd still be unsettled by going back to it. And she was, when I crushed her ribcage and she had to go without all that weight again for a while.

Ouch, that sounds painful. I know that the one time Aunn had to go without armor (after getting arrested for fratricide and thrown in prison) she freaked out the whole time because of how itchy the rags were and how little protection they would afford if someone decided to assassiate her. Granted, wearin armor isn't a fool-proof way to foil assassination attempts but there's some security in knowing it's there.

[Aroihkin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...
I imagine for both gals the lightness of plain cloth is rather disconcerting. XD Even though Alley wore rags for most of her life, she'd still be unsettled by going back to it. And she was, when I crushed her ribcage and she had to go without all that weight again for a while.

Ouch, that sounds painful. I know that the one time Aunn had to go without armor (after getting arrested for fratricide and thrown in prison) she freaked out the whole time because of how itchy the rags were and how little protection they would afford if someone decided to assassiate her. Granted, wearin armor isn't a fool-proof way to foil assassination attempts but there's some security in knowing it's there.

Oh, part of it is definitely psychological. And even protection aside, once you get used to the weight and feel, and even the restriction in some ways, not having it would be unsettling. D:

EccentricSage wrote...
Zevran is too awesome by far!  And Dristen finally got to the big relationship talk and earing.  I decided not to push him into the proposal.  It seemed more natural for Dristen to say he understands what Zev is fealing and feals the same.  Oh, the warm fuzzies!  *__*

Nothing wrong with taking the earring the first time~ I think it means the same thing (edit: or it certainly means as much), it's just not stated, you know? No biggy. When you deal with Zev, after all, a lot of things are unstated but clear. XD

And I agree about a Templar origin! That would be pretty interesting, and perhaps show the climate of the Tower from another perspective.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 31 mai 2010 - 12:13 .

[EccentricSage]

I really really wish there was a 'Hold your tongue or I will cut it out' dialogue option when Ignacio insults Zevran. That drove me INSANE. I really hope there aren't such tight restrictions on the dialogue part of the game budget in future instalments because there are some exchanges that feel so restricted that I lose imersion in the scene.

Mmmm... But anyhow, Zevran and Ignacio were obviously familiar with eachother. But I think if Ignacio had a stake in or a responsability over Zevran's status, Ignacio wouldn't have said 'you're dead to me, you're Taliesen's responsability'. Ignacio truly seems the sniveling coward who climbed the ranks by out surviving his rivals. I think it's true that he prefers to play a small role if it means living a longer life. Zevran is trying to be protective of you and threatens Ignacio despite ignacio being a Master. You can see Zevran's pride and confidence in that exchange. I can just imagine his interactions with the Masters back in Antiva. I bet he overstepped bounderies every chance he thought he could get away with. I love that. It sounds like Taliesen was supposed to be above Zevran... but I also get the impression that he was no mere underling to Taliesen. I bet there's a facinating story there. I wonder if we'll ever get more of the story.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 31 mai 2010 - 12:19 .

[Verly]

I thought I'd share my dalish elf Rayne and Zev's sexytime picture. hopefully this won't be deleted.



I edited out the pink parts that were showing. I'd heard about the dwarf boob being deleted. lol

[jenovan]

Tellervo wrote...



Well, if you guys are going to be having a pajama party, we'll be off having our own awesome party. Yeah. It's cool if you don't invite us, because we don't want to be invited. So there.

It's okay, Tell, we'll have a cryptic party... over there. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

EccentricSage wrote...

I really really wish there was a 'Hold your tongue or I will cut it out' dialogue option when Ignacio insults Zevran. That drove me INSANE.

(Hi ES! long time no see  )
When the game doesn't provide, write your own. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Mmmm... But anyhow, Zevran and Ignacio were obviously familiar with eachother. But I think if Ignacio had a stake in or a responsability over Zevran's status, Ignacio wouldn't have said 'you're dead to me, you're Taliesen's responsability'. Ignacio truly seems the sniveling coward who climbed the ranks by out surviving his rivals. I think it's true that he prefers to play a small role if it means living a longer life. Zevran is trying to be protective of you and threatens Ignacio despite ignacio being a Master. You can see Zevran's pride and confidence in that exchange. I can just imagine his interactions with the Masters back in Antiva. I bet he overstepped bounderies every chance he thought he could get away with. I love that. It sounds like Taliesen was supposed to be above Zevran... but I also get the impression that he was no mere underling to Taliesen. I bet there's a facinating story there. I wonder if we'll ever get more of the story.

I got the impression that Ignacio wasn't overly familiar with Zevran, although he could have been lying -- when Zevran first starts talking, he says, "Zevran, is it?", as if he only knows Zev by reputation.  (Of course, he could be saying that just to be insulting, too  

(I picked up the same things from Zevran in that conversation -- even if Ignacio is a Master, Zevran's quite forward and vocal with him. )

As for Taliesen... from all the varying things in the game, I think he and Zevran were more or less peers.  I don't think they would have been "good friends" if Taliesen had power over Zevran (who doesn't seem all that impressed by authority), and things like... Taliesen offered to help Zevran with the Wardens' contract and Zev refused, and so on, that makes them sound more like equals, more or less.  Zevran being "Taliesen's responsibility", to me, just meant that it was given to Taliesen to clean up the mess Zevran made.

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Modifié par jenovan, 31 mai 2010 - 12:38 .

[Sarah1281]

Aroihkin wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...
I imagine for both gals the lightness of plain cloth is rather disconcerting. XD Even though Alley wore rags for most of her life, she'd still be unsettled by going back to it. And she was, when I crushed her ribcage and she had to go without all that weight again for a while.

Ouch, that sounds painful. I know that the one time Aunn had to go without armor (after getting arrested for fratricide and thrown in prison) she freaked out the whole time because of how itchy the rags were and how little protection they would afford if someone decided to assassiate her. Granted, wearin armor isn't a fool-proof way to foil assassination attempts but there's some security in knowing it's there.

Oh, part of it is definitely psychological. And even protection aside, once you get used to the weight and feel, and even the restriction in some ways, not having it would be unsettling. D:

I know! It'd be like they felt naked without the armor on even though they had civilian clothes/rags. Would it be the same thing with not having a weapon, do you think? 

I really really wish there was a 'Hold your tongue or I will cut it out' dialogue option when Ignacio insults Zevran. That drove me INSANE. I really hope there aren't such tight restrictions on the dialogue part of the game budget in future instalments because there are some exchanges that feel so restricted that I lose imersion in the scene.

I never had a problem with it. Ignacio ignores Zevran and only ever addresses him when Zevran makes an outburst and, given he's dealing with a higher-up in the Crows who is really doing him a favor by not reporting what happened to him, he should really know better. And all he really does is tell him to butt out, anyway.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 31 mai 2010 - 12:57 .

[Corker]

jenovan wrote...
Taliesen offered to help Zevran with the Wardens' contract and Zev refused, and so on, that makes them sound more like equals, more or less.  Zevran being "Taliesen's responsibility", to me, just meant that it was given to Taliesen to clean up the mess Zevran made.

I agree; I think they were peers, give or take a little racial privilege on Taliesin's part. 

[EccentricSage]

jenovan wrote...

Tellervo wrote...



Well, if you guys are going to be having a pajama party, we'll be off having our own awesome party. Yeah. It's cool if you don't invite us, because we don't want to be invited. So there.

It's okay, Tell, we'll have a cryptic party... over there. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png

EccentricSage wrote...

I really really wish there was a 'Hold your tongue or I will cut it out' dialogue option when Ignacio insults Zevran. That drove me INSANE.

(Hi ES! long time no see  )
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Mmmm... But anyhow, Zevran and Ignacio were obviously familiar with eachother. But I think if Ignacio had a stake in or a responsability over Zevran's status, Ignacio wouldn't have said 'you're dead to me, you're Taliesen's responsability'. Ignacio truly seems the sniveling coward who climbed the ranks by out surviving his rivals. I think it's true that he prefers to play a small role if it means living a longer life. Zevran is trying to be protective of you and threatens Ignacio despite ignacio being a Master. You can see Zevran's pride and confidence in that exchange. I can just imagine his interactions with the Masters back in Antiva. I bet he overstepped bounderies every chance he thought he could get away with. I love that. It sounds like Taliesen was supposed to be above Zevran... but I also get the impression that he was no mere underling to Taliesen. I bet there's a facinating story there. I wonder if we'll ever get more of the story.

I got the impression that Ignacio wasn't overly familiar with Zevran, although he could have been lying -- when Zevran first starts talking, he says, "Zevran, is it?", as if he only knows Zev by reputation.  (Of course, he could be saying that just to be insulting, too  

(I picked up the same things from Zevran in that conversation -- even if Ignacio is a Master, Zevran's quite forward and vocal with him. )

As for Taliesen... from all the varying things in the game, I think he and Zevran were more or less peers.  I don't think they would have been "good friends" if Taliesen had power over Zevran (who doesn't seem all that impressed by authority), and things like... Taliesen offered to help Zevran with the Wardens' contract and Zev refused, and so on, that makes them sound more like equals, more or less.  Zevran being "Taliesen's responsibility", to me, just meant that it was given to Taliesen to clean up the mess Zevran made.

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I didn't think Zevran and Ignacio worked together much or even at all, but they must have met before.   I took the 'Zevran, is it?' as being dismisive.  After all, I doubt in their world where news only travels as fast as messengers and bards travel that people would so easily recognise eachother based upon legend alone. 

I thought that about Zevran and Taliesen's relationship at first, but something about what Ignacio said and the way he said it gave me the impression that the Masters see Taliesen as above Zevran.  Maybe because Zevran is an elven slave?  But I get the impression also that Zevran wouldn't have acted like other elven slaves even as a new recruit.  His nightmare in the Fade showed he was always strong willed and prideful.  I think it would be hard to treat someone so charming and so proud as inferior if you are only viewed as 'above him because of some technicality or something when he's clearly his own man.  I think they had a certain level of respect for eachother and that they probably realy did care about eachother, though they couldn't show compassion as a Crow.

I would love David Gaider to write a book about Zev's back story.  *sigh*  It would be a horrific read, for sure, but facinating and Zevran is just so strong and brave and positive about things...   I know it's highly unlikely, but I'd love it if it ever came to be.

[soignee]

Why does Taliesen have a Fereldian accent? Never worked that out. cockney at that.

COR BLIMEY GUV'NOR IT'S ZEVRAN WELL I'LL GO TO THE FOOT OF MY STAIRS

Modifié par soignee, 31 mai 2010 - 01:14 .

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

Why does Taliesen have a Fereldian accent? Never worked that out. cockney at that.

COR BLIMEY GUV'NOR IT'S ZEVRAN WELL I'LL GO TO THE FOOT OF MY STAIRS

He does?

Does anyone have a soundclip or something?

[EccentricSage]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I really really wish there was a 'Hold your tongue or I will cut it out' dialogue option when Ignacio insults Zevran. That drove me INSANE. I really hope there aren't such tight restrictions on the dialogue part of the game budget in future instalments because there are some exchanges that feel so restricted that I lose imersion in the scene.

I never had a problem with it. Ignacio ignores Zevran and only ever addresses him when Zevran makes an outburst and, given he's dealing with a higher-up in the Crows who is really doing him a favor by not reporting what happened to him, he should really know better. And all he really does is tell him to butt out, anyway.

I know what you mean...  But from Dristen's POV Zevran is WITH HIM now and it very much IS his business as a result.  It was funny... at first my reaction to Ignacio was surprisingly favorable... he seemed personable and gracious and pious but my fealings turned awfully quickily.  I wanted to be able to tell him that Zevran's my equall and is to be adressed the same as my character.  Don't incur my wrath!  Rawr!

[Aroihkin]

Oh god. I finally gave in and am writing a kmeme response.

And it's not even Zevran. *facepalm*

@ Sarah -- Oh, undoubtedly! Weapons have a certain weight to them, too, and you would get used to having to reposition them, having a hilt in the corner of your vision when you turn your head, etc. Alley without a shield is especially nervous, but she doesn't like not having a sword or axe, either.

Her "second weapon-slot" in the fanfic is a pair of daggers, since she can't do much with a bow anyway with her ruined hands. So she usually has a lot of blades on her! (I know, a crossbow would make some sense, but. Meh. In-game she has a longbow as second, like everyone who isn't a mage always does in my parties. XD My group turns into a firing squad at the drop of a hat.)

Modifié par Aroihkin, 31 mai 2010 - 01:21 .

[Sarah1281]

EccentricSage wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I really really wish there was a 'Hold your tongue or I will cut it out' dialogue option when Ignacio insults Zevran. That drove me INSANE. I really hope there aren't such tight restrictions on the dialogue part of the game budget in future instalments because there are some exchanges that feel so restricted that I lose imersion in the scene.

I never had a problem with it. Ignacio ignores Zevran and only ever addresses him when Zevran makes an outburst and, given he's dealing with a higher-up in the Crows who is really doing him a favor by not reporting what happened to him, he should really know better. And all he really does is tell him to butt out, anyway.

I know what you mean...  But from Dristen's POV Zevran is WITH HIM now and it very much IS his business as a result.  It was funny... at first my reaction to Ignacio was surprisingly favorable... he seemed personable and gracious and pious but my fealings turned awfully quickily.  I wanted to be able to tell him that Zevran's my equall and is to be adressed the same as my character.  Don't incur my wrath!  Rawr!

That explains it. Aunn was like: "Okay, Zevran, you know we're friends and it's really sweet that you want to protect me but you are not helping. Stop talking NOW. You're just endangering yourself needlessly and I can take care of myself." Then again, as a DN she has dealt with assassins before...

[Sarah1281]

@ Sarah -- Oh, undoubtedly! Weapons have a certain weight to them, too, and you would get used to having to reposition them, having a hilt in the corner of your vision when you turn your head, etc. Alley without a shield is especially nervous, but she doesn't like not having a sword or axe, either.

And if you find a weapon/shield/set of armor that you really like (say...Starfang, Shield of Aeducan, and dragon scale armor) and someone tries taking it from you? Let's just say that Fort Drakon did not go very well for the people who captured her...

I especially loved Leliana and another party member running in to save you after you've killed everyone in the building...Although walking out the front door with a patrol does have it's appeal. I wonder if she and Alisair actually went on patrol before heading back or if they attacked the other guards and left. And I also wonder why no one noticed she was the only dwarf in the entire fortress. It would be the same with elves, really.

[EccentricSage]

Sarah1281 wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I really really wish there was a 'Hold your tongue or I will cut it out' dialogue option when Ignacio insults Zevran. That drove me INSANE. I really hope there aren't such tight restrictions on the dialogue part of the game budget in future instalments because there are some exchanges that feel so restricted that I lose imersion in the scene.

I never had a problem with it. Ignacio ignores Zevran and only ever addresses him when Zevran makes an outburst and, given he's dealing with a higher-up in the Crows who is really doing him a favor by not reporting what happened to him, he should really know better. And all he really does is tell him to butt out, anyway.

I know what you mean...  But from Dristen's POV Zevran is WITH HIM now and it very much IS his business as a result.  It was funny... at first my reaction to Ignacio was surprisingly favorable... he seemed personable and gracious and pious but my fealings turned awfully quickily.  I wanted to be able to tell him that Zevran's my equall and is to be adressed the same as my character.  Don't incur my wrath!  Rawr!

That explains it. Aunn was like: "Okay, Zevran, you know we're friends and it's really sweet that you want to protect me but you are not helping. Stop talking NOW. You're just endangering yourself needlessly and I can take care of myself." Then again, as a DN she has dealt with assassins before...

LOL  Yeah, it is definetly not one of Zevran's helpful moments.  I'm sure one of my other characters will feal the way Aunn feals.  But Dristen, as a Dalish, really wasn't too excited about becoming a Grey Warden and dealing with the Crow Master just made him feal dirty and not in the fun way.  It's all soooo new to him and Zevran's constant support has been crutial to his keeping it together.

Hmmm... I expect my HN Davend will merely be intrigued watching them interact.  He's pragmatic so I think he'll deal with Ignatio.   I think my female elven mage Vaalen will take pleasure in Zevran's act.  She's an odd one...  she can be blatantly amoral or mercyful at any given moment.  She's manipulative and mischevious so I think she'll take the work half out of intrigue.  Hmmm.... I think maybe it will be my male mage Astor who will feal that way.  I need a character who's moral and impulsive enough to be all 'STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!' and kill the Crow Master.