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[Minaleth]

I am glad I'm not the only one who finds kinkmeme too tame, maype except for non-con stuff which I do not read (but that is different can of worms me thinks). Perhaps I would be more descriptive to call it just p0rnmeme?

Edit: *facepalm*
my favourite

Modifié par Minaleth, 31 mai 2010 - 04:42 .

[MorGothic]

*Slam's head into desk repeatedly*



What in world was I thinking, when I though I could draw this picture, without going insane?



Who idea was this anway? ...Oh wait...yeah mine.



I'm currently this >< close to giving up...



*sigh*

[Sannox]

soignee wrote...
I'm firmly in the "no means no kthnx" bracket and there was a rape story I read there that -I am aware I shouldn't have read, but I'm a human and the OH LOOK BIG RED BUTTON WUT IT DO mentality is alive and well- pretty much f*cked over my day at the time and I really should not have tripped over it.

*shrug* Not My Kink. I'm not really looking at it now, it kind of soured my experiences. And I don't really contribute to the writing much anymore, considering I: 1) write it in DDW and 2) not enough free time.

Dub con means "dubious" consent. Lemon comes from manga I do believe, and just means sex. Lime means foolin' around and no 4th base.

That's what I mean.  There's no question that no means no in real life, but in some kink fantasies, isn't lack of consent the whole point?   If the fantasy (say, guard and prisoner) was acted out, then obviously there would be full consent between the people involved, but to an observer it would look like non-con.  In fantasy writing (masturbatory material), then there's nobody to consent - it's going to be outright non-con.   You'd be writing about a guard and prisoner, because that's the fantasy, rather than about people pretending to be guards and prisoners.  (And that would in no way have anything to do with your opinions on the penal system! :happy:).

I'm happy with that, but I really wouldn't want to upset somebody like you (I'm sure you're not the only one).   Some people (not many) are clearly asking for non-con, but some just seem to be suggesting it, and I'm not sure. 

I'd worked out that 'dub' means 'dubious', but I'm still not sure  about what crosses the lines.  'Lime' I would never have guessed!  Thank you for that.  

[soignee]

Charsen wrote...

soignee wrote...
As I mentioned elsewhere on the forums on the subject... A few of the 'kinks' have made me back away in horror.

yeah... the concept of calling certain things "kink" in fanfic annoys me since apparently my entire sexuality has been lumped into being "kinky", aka weird, unusual -- slippery slope here to other words that i'd rather not rage over so early in the morning. seriously soignee, dwarfy mama of my internet babbys, let's lazy-rage over this with yappy recycling naz! dog sometime. =b

BARK! WHY IS PLASTIC IN WITH CANS? BARK!

Modifié par soignee, 31 mai 2010 - 04:46 .

[Minaleth]

Don't give up MG!

What's the problem exactly?

[Sannox]

SurrealSadi wrote...
Yeah, my f!Amell somehow ended up in a relationship, albeit briefly, with Al. She did the nice thing and slept with him, then dumped his arse for Zev. She had a flashback to poor Cullen, and, well... She felt bad for Al. Got approval for the breakup.

She was also Ninja'd by Leliana. She flat out turned the crazy french girl down. That doesn't mean the annoying French girl isn't playing archer for the party though...

Although my character felt guilty, I don't think sleeping with him and dumping him is so bad.   That's the way relationships go in real life, isn't it?   You don't usually find 'the one' first time out.   You do give him a closeness and connection with somebody that he wouldn't have otherwise had, and memories of good times.    He does seem OK about the breakup.

Leliana, in particular, seemed remarkably unbothered by being dumped by my male elf, even though she seemed to be more deeply involved.  I carried on giving her her gifts, and I think she was at 100 approval by the end.  She told my character she wanted to die for him at the end, when I left her at the gates, and seemed to be flirting again in the last scene. 

Both of them are pretty decent about being dumped, I think.   Maybe they get something out of the relationship even if it doesn't work out.

[ejoslin]

Heh, my state just lost a major lawsuit over the whole guard/prisoner thing. Rightfully so. I would think in fiction that could range from dubcon to noncon, depending on the state of mind of the prisoner.



I've expressed my views here, that kink is not unusual, and its just a way of labeling people who enjoy sex outside the approved "PIV missionary baby making sex." Which most people do. /shrug. What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their business.



In fiction, there usually aren't safety words, so what IS fully consensual in act but not in word would come across differently in fiction. I almost put an example in here, but deleted BEFORE the edit

[ejoslin]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Hmm, fair enough. It's just that it strikes me as inconsiderate to him to act first and think later in this context. It's not like the GW doesn't know what's in store for him, and even though he's impulsive, she should know better. Dunno if a night of fun is worth all the subsequent heartache for him.

It's beyond inconsiderate. Alistair is very flawed.  But it adds a really interesting contrast to his relationship when comparing it to Zevran's.  Alistair never thinks about the future -- Zevran from the start is thinking about the future.  Alistair puts his duty first -- Zevran puts the warden first above everything, including his own happiness.  When they fall in love, Alsitair pulls away, Zevran requires a commitment.  Yet...  Since the words they use are so different, Alistair's relationship comes off as deep and Zevran's comes off as shallow to many people.

[SurrealSadi]

Sannox wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...
Yeah, my f!Amell somehow ended up in a relationship, albeit briefly, with Al. She did the nice thing and slept with him, then dumped his arse for Zev. She had a flashback to poor Cullen, and, well... She felt bad for Al. Got approval for the breakup.

She was also Ninja'd by Leliana. She flat out turned the crazy french girl down. That doesn't mean the annoying French girl isn't playing archer for the party though...

Although my character felt guilty, I don't think sleeping with him and dumping him is so bad.   That's the way relationships go in real life, isn't it?   You don't usually find 'the one' first time out.   You do give him a closeness and connection with somebody that he wouldn't have otherwise had, and memories of good times.    He does seem OK about the breakup.

Leliana, in particular, seemed remarkably unbothered by being dumped by my male elf, even though she seemed to be more deeply involved.  I carried on giving her her gifts, and I think she was at 100 approval by the end.  She told my character she wanted to die for him at the end, when I left her at the gates, and seemed to be flirting again in the last scene. 

Both of them are pretty decent about being dumped, I think.   Maybe they get something out of the relationship even if it doesn't work out.

*snicker* Maybe because the two of them end up boffing while they're out getting firewood?

[Minaleth]

SurrealSadi wrote...

*snicker* Maybe because the two of them end up boffing while they're out getting firewood?

Lol, this pairing being kind of canon amuses me to no end  

[soignee]

Minaleth wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

*snicker* Maybe because the two of them end up boffing while they're out getting firewood?

Lol, this pairing being kind of canon amuses me to no end  

the fangirl rage is lulzy

[MorGothic]

Minaleth wrote...

Don't give up MG!
What's the problem exactly?

Lack of practise, mainly. That and I'm over complicating everything, the problem is to make this picture work I need to simply the armour is such a way that you can tell what set it is, also the figure scaling is annoying me and I have no idea how I'm going to the faces.

That and I'm trying to use a 15cm ruler to draw with as my brother lost my one I lent him, not only did he not bother to tell me he, didn't even bother to buy me another one.

So...yeah pretty much everything. <_<

Modifié par MorGothic, 31 mai 2010 - 05:16 .

[SurrealSadi]

soignee wrote...

Minaleth wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

*snicker* Maybe because the two of them end up boffing while they're out getting firewood?

Lol, this pairing being kind of canon amuses me to no end  

the fangirl rage is lulzy

If I paid attention to fan-girl rage, I'd prolly be rolling on the floor, dying. As it is, the fact that the pairing is basically canon makes me go 'lulwat, awesome'.

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 31 mai 2010 - 05:18 .

[Minaleth]

MorGothic wrote...

Minaleth wrote...

Don't give up MG!
What's the problem exactly?

Lack of practise, mainly. That and I'm over complicating everything, the problem is to make this picture work I need to simply the armour is such a way that you can tell what set it is, also the figure scaling is annoying me and I have no idea how I'm going to the faces.

That and I'm trying to use a 15cm ruler to draw with as my brother lost my one I lent him, not only did he not bother to tell me he, didn't even bother to buy me another one.

So...yeah pretty much everything. <_<

How exactly are you doing it? You pose the model in toolset and then draw it on paper according to reference? What is the ruler for?

[soignee]

MorGothic wrote...

Minaleth wrote...

Don't give up MG!
What's the problem exactly?

Lack of practise, mainly. That and I'm over complicating everything, the problem is to make this picture work I need to simply the armour is such a way that you can tell what set it is, also the figure scaling is annoying me and I have no idea how I'm going to the faces.

That and I'm trying to use a 15cm ruler to draw with as my brother lost my one I lent him, not only did he not bother to tell me he, didn't even bother to buy me another one.

So...yeah pretty much everything. <_<

take a break and come back to it, it'll still be there later. Leave it until tomorrow, even.

[Sannox]

It would be nice if the characters could get together with each other after you dump them. I don't like to think of them pining away. I imagine that Leliana would be happy enough as a mistress, so it could work.

[ejoslin]

Sannox wrote...

It would be nice if the characters could get together with each other after you dump them. I don't like to think of them pining away. I imagine that Leliana would be happy enough as a mistress, so it could work.

If she's hardened, she's supposed to see the advantages of being close to the throne, actually.

[MorGothic]

Minaleth wrote...
How exactly are you doing it? You pose the model in toolset and then draw it on paper according to reference? What is the ruler for?

I would if my toolset would keep crashing, and the ruler's for drawing line's.

The ruler would be for getting the correct scale for each figure/race.

soignee wrote...
take a break and come back to it, it'll still
be there later. Leave it until tomorrow, even.

That
won't be hard considering I haven't actually managed to start, really.


Ah, don't mind me I'm just in a bad mood, at the moment. I haven't had anyone to speak to all weekend, and I'm bored. *shrug*

[Ramante]

MorGothic wrote...

Ah, don't mind me I'm just in a bad mood, at the moment. I haven't had anyone to speak to all weekend, and I'm bored. *shrug*

Sorry my bad..
Family reunion was a nightmare, sunday was a homework nightmare and today was a migraine nightmare. -.-
I talk to you tomorrow I swear, I'm leaving in 20 minutes, so coming online now would make little sense. *hugs*

I have a Zev-related question..
Maybe my memory is bad, but I believe Ignacio (or maybe Zevran) tells you at some point that a Crow Master is the one accepting a contract.. Now that I think of it my memory must be bad because that would mean that Zevran is a Crow Master (he accepted the Warden contract)... Anyway, the reason why I had to think about this is that Ignacio tells you that Taliesen accepted the contract to kill Zevran, so I thought that would mean Taliesen is a Crow Master.. but after reading my story, that makes no sense. Can anyone remember/check the toolset about the contract-accepting-thing? o.o

[Nonvita]

MorGothic wrote...

*Slam's head into desk repeatedly*
What in world was I thinking, when I though I could draw this picture, without going insane?
Who idea was this anway? ...Oh wait...yeah mine.
I'm currently this >
*sigh*

OMG MG, join me in my world of frustration! Aro can come too, and we can all wallow in the misery inflicted by our overly high expectations and confidence in our abilities!

*imagines the three of us sitting around repeatedly slamming our heads into desks*

Edit: But by this I mean to say don't give up, MG! You really can do it, just relax, don't pressure yourself, and don't put a time limit on things. If you need help, try showing it to someone so they can encourage you to keep going.

Edit 2: Feel better Ramante! So sorry you've had such a lousy few days, but I really hope things turn around for you.

Modifié par Nonvita, 31 mai 2010 - 06:13 .

[Minaleth]

Uh, am I the only one is content with own lame skills and liking it?

*shakes people* You all are awesome!



(Btw, can someone suggest something for friday banner? My ideas go really weird way lately.)

[soignee]

Minaleth wrote...

Uh, am I the only one is content with own lame skills and liking it?
*shakes people* You all are awesome!

(Btw, can someone suggest something for friday banner? My ideas go really weird way lately.)

Charsen and I are somehow plotting CSI: Denerim City. Go with that!

[Sarah1281]

As I mentioned elsewhere on the forums on the subject... A few of the 'kinks' have made me back away in horror. And made me learn what fandom words are. dubcon? Lemon? Lime? etc and so forth.

Oh, I hate dubcon. Not as bad as noncon but still! Maybe it's just idealistic of me but if someone says no, they don't want to be molested by you and you do it anyway that is not a good thing! I don't care if they secretly do but are in denial. You aren't helping them and no means no! And if their 'body betrays them' and they start to physically get into it that doesn't mean that they changed their mind! I hate how so many fics have person A forcing sex on person B but it's for person B's own good because he secretly wanted it (God, that sounds like a rape defense) and then person B realizing that that was really great sex so they love person A after all.

[ejoslin]

The whole rank and file of the Crows actually doesn't make sense to me given what's in game. Zevran is considered young and upcoming, not established, that much I know. He does accept his own contracts, as does Taliesen, but they're both frontline assassins. Perhaps Ignacio is higher? Someone who assassins report to? For awhile I thought Zevran was Taliesen's subordinate, but I don't think so now -- I think you're right, Zevran was Taliesen's responsibility because Taliesen accepted the contract. I don't think either would be considered masters, however.

It's one of those parts of the game that just does not hold up well under scrutiny.

Edit: Toolset says:

Ignacio (50):
He's an accomplished assassin that's been placed in management. He's very cautious now because his superiors don't tolerate mistakes. When he's in his cover identity there should be no hint he's anything more than he claims - he's a pleasant, foreign trader with an accent. But when he summons the player, he's fully expecting to be cut down or betrayed. He will speak in innuendos. If he were smooth and collected, that segment could sound like a mafioso type - instead, he's cautious and cagey. Up until the end, it would be fine if the player was uncertain whether he is being set up. At the end of the quest, he is being quite sincere - he wants to work with the player as they really are on the same side.

Taliesen (39):
An Antivan Crow that knows Zevran from his assassin days.

Modifié par ejoslin, 31 mai 2010 - 06:27 .

[jenovan]

Ramante wrote...

I have a Zev-related question..
Maybe my memory is bad, but I believe Ignacio (or maybe Zevran) tells you at some point that a Crow Master is the one accepting a contract.. Now that I think of it my memory must be bad because that would mean that Zevran is a Crow Master (he accepted the Warden contract)... Anyway, the reason why I had to think about this is that Ignacio tells you that Taliesen accepted the contract to kill Zevran, so I thought that would mean Taliesen is a Crow Master.. but after reading my story, that makes no sense. Can anyone remember/check the toolset about the contract-accepting-thing? o.o

(Ick, hope your migraine goes away.   )

From what I gather, it works like this:  When a person puts in a contract, the Master is the person who handles the administrative details. (Now whether the customer goes straight to a specific master, or if there's some over-arching organization/council whatever, I don't think we know that..)  Zevran explains to Alistair in a banter that what happens is: the Crow who wants to work on the contract "bids" on it; what they're bidding is, how much of the contract price they'll pay back to the Crows.   So it sounds like there may usually be a little competition among the Crows under a single master for a contract. (But for the Wardens' contract, no one bid against Zevran.

What Taliesen took was, I gather, the remainder of Zevran's original contract -- to kill the Wardens.  Killing Zevran as a traitor would be a "bonus", but I don't think it was stipulated in the contract (so technically he would be free to ask Zevran to come back with him). 

To me, that all infers that Zevran and Taliesen were in the same cell under the same Master.  When Zev failed to fulfill the contract, the Master was still under the obligation to kill the Wardens, and it sounds like Taliesen bid to take the contract at that point.  ("I volunteered, of course!")