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[ejoslin]

Lulia wrote...

To be perfectly honest, as a rl women, i found all romances for females characters to be rather unsettling.

Alistair is... pathetic. He whines and moans like a child through the whole game and his sarcasm just rubs me the wrong way. He's not even funny. He was my main love interest during my first playthrough just because i hated Zevran more.

Zevran is just too sleazy. He just screams of all the things that guys think would impress a girl, when infact they just repulse. However! He was my main love interest on my second playthrough and i actually think he was the best. Changing a man, now that is something i can appreciate, and his confusion and gifts were so subtle and sincere.

Lel... well. I don't see any appeal in same sex relationships unless you are gay in real life. I did quite like her sugar exterior and dark history though.

I would have jumped in the sack with Duncan in a flash and i fancy Nathaniel too - such is my luck.

I disagree about Zevran being sleazy.  He was a slave, trained to use sex as a tool, but when he talks to the warden, he mainly is letting them know exactly what they're getting into.  His talk about his sexual past is, to me, one of the sickest and saddest parts of the story, and it's just normal to him. He IS the one who discusses the future before anything happens between him and the warden, and he is the one who ends up insisting on a commitment

I'm also not so certain he changes all that much.  He does fall in love, but even though he's distrustful when he meets up with the warden, he already has that warm side to him which should have been killed off.  He doesn't speak of his past, after the initial conversation or two, as anything great or glamorous (quite the opposite, and in fact will admit there is NOTHING glamorous about what he did). 

I still need more coffee, so I'll leave it here.

Edit: Page topper, so Serissia's pirate Zevran!



Edit: saw on my pagetopper a word that doesn't exist and that just cannot do!

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 juin 2010 - 02:54 .

[Sannox]

Aroihkin wrote...
Yeah, noncon is rape. Non-consent, as in they say "no" or to a similar degree of "do not want" on the character's side. Dubcon is dubious-consent, where it's not clear either way.

I mostly know this from back when I was a fanfic archivist. Which sounds more impressive than it is, probably.

And I've never put in a request because I wasn't sure I'd be writing any fills. XD And besides, most things I might want to see, I'm really just waiting for the chance to write myself. I may put in a het request or something later, since I prefer reading it over writing it anyway.

And hooray for liking the Ser Bryant story! Very glad to hear it. Q.Q It needs the love, Bryant's such a minor character to the game-plot. I was a bit put out to see he had an unfilled prompt while the broodmother somehow has like three filled ones, according to the tags. Probably crack (humor), but still.

Still.

Templars need mollesting too! (Which looks like it's becoming a theme for DA-Tannusen, according to my little list of prompts I might be filling. He never did know when to stop touching the hot stove...) And apparently so does the Chant of Light. Sacrelicious.

As for the prompt... I'll leave it semi-obscure for now. Just to avoid having to explain it to folks on here. XD Tannusen is a well-educated man, let's just say.

Thanks - I'm doing some internet research (which I probably should have done in the first place) and finding out what some of these terms mean, exactly.   My prompt was emotional torture, really - but it's not non-con if there's no sex?

I know I can't write things the way I'd want to read them, so it's lovely to be able to see what other people come up with.  But I can see why you would want to write your own.

I'm trying to make sure that my fills outnumber my prompts, but I keep getting distracted by reading.   Need to do writing so I can ask for more porn.  One of my stories hasn't had reply from the OP, so I worry.   Should it have had a warning?  Is it just that it's badly written?  Not what they wanted?  They're bored with DA and haven't checked back?

You've only made me more curious about your story .  I hope you will share when it's finished.  

[Sannox]

Lulia wrote...
Alistair is... pathetic. He whines and moans like a child through the whole game and his sarcasm just rubs me the wrong way. He's not even funny. He was my main love interest during my first playthrough just because i hated Zevran more.

.

How to like Alistair ... He always seems to wind me up with every character, but it makes an enormous difference to me if I just think of him as young.   He acts like a teenager, and if I imagine him at age 18 or 19 he becomes much more likeable.   He needs time to mature, I think.  

[Minaleth]

Aroihkin wrote...
I feel bad for having like nothing to contribute to this conversation. But I like your posts! *is lame* 

*joins the lame admiring crowd*

[Tellervo]

Minaleth wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...
I feel bad for having like nothing to contribute to this conversation. But I like your posts! *is lame* 

*joins the lame admiring crowd*

Yeah.  I got nothin' either, but it summed up my feelings on those three romances perfectly.

[Nilfalasiel]

Gonna break this up in 2 posts to make it easier on the eyes...

ejoslin wrote...

The "it would be hard to kiss you if you leave," is not a break up. It's a bug. You can break up afterwards, but what happens if you choose that line is the "pre friendly pre love eligible" flag never gets set (a public kiss there is BAD).

Interesting. Does the bug also exist on PS3, or is it just PC?

An interesting thing, though. The conversation you bring up, when he asks about the future, you cannot have sex with him before having it. He needs to know, before it goes any further, if they're friends, if they're FWB, if the warden is unsure, or whether it is something more.

Oops, I feel silly now. I was certain I'd seen the tent option in his convo options before the future topic came up. But I guess I might've gotten confused, with all the Alistair and Leliana experimenting. But this just serves to confirm that he's not just a mindless horndog and that he's actually thinking about things, as opposed to Alistair getting all intoxicated on feelings.

And YES, another person who believes that Zevran is falling in love from the start and as much as he tries, it never really is casual!

You don't start asking someone things like "is there no one to stay for?" and worrying about "what now?" if you're simply trying to get into their pants. That's what sealed the deal for me.
 

Sannox wrote…
 
I don't see Zevran as backing out, as such.  I think he's genuinely unaware of what he feels (until the Taliesin encounter), and unaware of what the PC feels.  There's a sort of wonder in his voice when he finally talks about it - he seems surprised to find himself in love (and still isn't sure that it's love).

 
 I haven’t gotten that far yet, obviously, but I don’t know about “unaware”. He’s definitely aware that he’d like to stay with the PC, almost from the get-go. He might not be aware why he wants that, or trying very hard not to ask himself the question, but he doesn’t sound like he’s 100% oblivious. I feel he’s deliberately tiptoeing around something either delicate, or scary, or both. 

I wrote a while back about what the warden tells him about their feelings, and it's very little indeed - mainly that he/she is glad to have him along.   There's no indication that the warden might be in love, until they talk about it, and even then the warden is cagey.   Zevran doesn't demand, but I think his reticence makes sense when you realise that he knows so little.   I think it also makes what he does say and do so much more powerful.   Even without knowing there's love involved, he's deeply committed.

Hmm, that’s a good point. I guess that it can be justified by a mixture of residual mistrust and delicacy. On the one hand (only applicable pre-Taliesin), the PC might still harbour some degree of wariness towards Zev’s motives, so she/he won’t be too explicit on what she/he wants. On the other hand, she/he probably realizes that this is someone with a lot of emotional baggage who’s trying to sort through it as best he can, so it’s not a good idea to rush/spook them by being explicit or demanding.

Whereas Alistair never does commit, does he?  I'm asking, because I don't know.  I haven't played the romance beyond the Landsmeet. I think I might prefer Morrigan’s romance to Alistair’s.

Well, you can marry him if you’re a Human Noble, which counts as commitment. But you’ll still be the one proposing, I believe. And I believe that if he’s in love with a PC who tries to sacrifice herself, he’ll step in for her. I’m iffy on the details: does he do this automatically, thus leaving you no choice? Or is there something to trigger it? Either way, it can be seen either as commitment, or simply him trying to be a hero.
 
I'll try the Morrigan romance on my next playthrough, but the whole demon child thing scares me. Still, it does look moving, in its own, completely spooky way.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 01 juin 2010 - 12:23 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Lulia wrote…
 
To be perfectly honest, as a rl women, i found all romances for females characters to be rather unsettling.

 
Lol…I’m a rl woman and I thought they were quite believable, in their own ways.

Alistair is... pathetic. He whines and moans like a child through the whole game and his sarcasm just rubs me the wrong way. He's not even funny. He was my main love interest during my first playthrough just because i hated Zevran more.

That’s because he’s young, has never had a proper family and is a virgin on top of all that. Of course, he’s gonna have issues: he’s the illegitimate child of a king, his mother is dead, no one ever wanted him, he spent his youth in a monastery and has just watched his mentor and his friends get slaughtered. He’s desperate for affection and attention, and ends up biting off more than he can chew. I can understand why he is the way he is, and I think that his humour is a surpriginsly refreshing trait for him to have. Yes, it’s a defense mechanism, but it also shows that he hasn’t quite given up on everything yet. But yes, emotionally, he’s definitely immature, hence why I have issues with his romance.

Zevran is just too sleazy. He just screams of all the things that guys think would impress a girl, when infact they just repulse. However! He was my main love interest on my second playthrough and i actually think he was the best. Changing a man, now that is something i can appreciate, and his confusion and gifts were so subtle and sincere.

I agree with ejoslin on that one. There’s more to Zev than the initial sleazy comments. He’s not being serious with them. He does find the GW attractive, but I don’t think he actually expects her/him to fall for them. It’s banter, just for fun. But notice that you can’t offer to bed Zev while he’s still at that stage (thanks to ejoslin for pointing that out!). The possibility comes up once you’ve had a serious convo with him with surprisingly deep implications. And his descriptions of his past exploits are actually a very touching way for him to ask for acceptance without foregoing dignity. He’s telling you “This is what I am, this is what I’ve done. Can you accept it? Can you accept me?” He’s not proud of it all, but he’s not making any apologies either or pretending that he’s something he’s not. You’re not changing him, he’s just opening up to you because he sees (consciously or not) the potential of an actual relationship with someone who will take him for what he is, faults and all, and won’t use him, for once. That is anything but sleazy.
 

Lel... well. I don't see any appeal in same sex relationships unless you are gay in real life.

I’m bi, so I don’t have an issue with the possibility of an f/f romance. It’s Lel’s personality that’s the deal breaker.

And thanks for the post-related compliments!

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 01 juin 2010 - 12:24 .

[Corker]

soignee wrote...

Why does Taliesen have a Fereldian accent? Never worked that out. cockney at that.

COR BLIMEY GUV'NOR IT'S ZEVRAN WELL I'LL GO TO THE FOOT OF MY STAIRS

Ferelden name, too.  Well, Ignacio does imply that recruiting the Warden is a possibility, so perhaps Taliesin is also a foreign recruit?  And it would explain where Zev learned to speak the Ferelden language so fluently.

...I still can't shake the feeling that Ignacio was involved in negotiating the contract on the Warden.  For one, if half the nobles in Denerim seems to know to go to him for 'assistance,' I can't imagine that Rendon Howe didn't.  (There's also a rumor that Arl Uriel of Denerim was assassinated by the Crows; rumors are unreliable, of course, but it would fit with Howe's MO.)  For two, Ignacio knows the Warden is a Warden without being told.  If you call him on it, he gets uncomfortable and evasive*.  I'm assuming the implication is that he brokered the original contract and gained his knowledge of the Warden from Howe.  He tries to pass it off as 'something he heard around the marketplace,' which isn't entirely implausible, but his delivery makes it sound like it's a (bad) lie.

*When you talk to Ignacio in the marketplace, before "Trial of Crows" starts, he ends the conversation with something like "Luck speed you, Warden."  Click on him again to point out that you never said you were a Warden.

[blademaster7]

Should I download the gatekiss mod? I just started the final battle and I'm wondering if I should use it? Does it work for all the companions, or just Zevran?

Modifié par blademaster7, 01 juin 2010 - 12:20 .

[Tellervo]

blademaster7 wrote...

Should I download the gatekiss mod? I just started the final battle and I'm wondering if I should use it? Does it work for all the companions, or just Zevran?

It works for every LI, but the extra cutscenes are when you choose your final party (with Riordan), not at the final battle.

[Aroihkin]

Sannox wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...
Yeah, noncon is rape. Non-consent, as in they say "no" or to a similar degree of "do not want" on the character's side. Dubcon is dubious-consent, where it's not clear either way.

I mostly know this from back when I was a fanfic archivist. Which sounds more impressive than it is, probably.

And I've never put in a request because I wasn't sure I'd be writing any fills. XD And besides, most things I might want to see, I'm really just waiting for the chance to write myself. I may put in a het request or something later, since I prefer reading it over writing it anyway.

And hooray for liking the Ser Bryant story! Very glad to hear it. Q.Q It needs the love, Bryant's such a minor character to the game-plot. I was a bit put out to see he had an unfilled prompt while the broodmother somehow has like three filled ones, according to the tags. Probably crack (humor), but still.

Still.

Templars need mollesting too! (Which looks like it's becoming a theme for DA-Tannusen, according to my little list of prompts I might be filling. He never did know when to stop touching the hot stove...) And apparently so does the Chant of Light. Sacrelicious.

As for the prompt... I'll leave it semi-obscure for now. Just to avoid having to explain it to folks on here. XD Tannusen is a well-educated man, let's just say.

Thanks - I'm doing some internet research (which I probably should have done in the first place) and finding out what some of these terms mean, exactly.   My prompt was emotional torture, really - but it's not non-con if there's no sex?

I know I can't write things the way I'd want to read them, so it's lovely to be able to see what other people come up with.  But I can see why you would want to write your own.

I'm trying to make sure that my fills outnumber my prompts, but I keep getting distracted by reading.   Need to do writing so I can ask for more porn.  One of my stories hasn't had reply from the OP, so I worry.   Should it have had a warning?  Is it just that it's badly written?  Not what they wanted?  They're bored with DA and haven't checked back?

You've only made me more curious about your story .  I hope you will share when it's finished.  

So far as I understood it back in the day, dubcon/noncon only applies to actual sex, yes. Psychological torture would be "angst", usually, although my personal tag for anything that goes into psyche-cracking levels is "darkfic". Hence my calling myself a darkfic writer. I used to be known for cracking characters open and scooping out the psychological marrow, although I fear I've gotten rusty now. My one consolation is that I made people jump a bit at one of the main twists in TAF recently, so it hasn't gone away completely, at least.

"Darkfic" isn't really a widely-used term though. I started using it for my stuff so long ago it's just part of my personal dictionary. You'd probably stick with "angst", or "heavy angst", although "emotional torture" is descriptive enough to use in its own right. I'm not sure about other generally-used terms for it. Anything labeled "noncon" is going to be assumed to be rape, though. Unless I'm mistaken and the category has widened drastically over the years.

And the OP may have forgotten to subscribe to their own request, or didn't know how, or it got screwed up, and hasn't checked back. Or, like you said, they wandered off after something else and forgot. XD People do that, especially on there, from what I've seen while browsing for prompts. Mostly people offering to write it who never check back in, it looks like, but I imagine some OPs wander off as well...

Edit: Two different stories, there! One's the kink I'm refreshing my memory on the proper logistics of, and the other involves more templar goodness. The former is Tannu being all dom!face again, this time on Zevran, and the latter is pre-Origin and is probably going to be angsty and hurt/comfort-esque. Assuming I actually get the balls to write it. OH NOES, ALMOST-FLUFF, WHATEVER SHALL I DO?

The porn part of that one is definitely going to be of a different vibe than the other one/two. If I do it. I dunno. D:

Modifié par Aroihkin, 01 juin 2010 - 12:34 .

[Sannox]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
I haven’t gotten that far yet, obviously, but I don’t know about “unaware”. He’s definitely aware that he’d like to stay with the PC, almost from the get-go. He might not be aware why he wants that, or trying very hard not to ask himself the question, but he doesn’t sound like he’s 100% oblivious. I feel he’s deliberately tiptoeing around something either delicate, or scary, or both.

 

Hmm, that’s a good point. I guess that it can be justified by a mixture of residual mistrust and delicacy. On the one hand (only applicable pre-Taliesin), the PC might still harbour some degree of wariness towards Zev’s motives, so she/he won’t be too explicit on what she/he wants. On the other hand, she/he probably realizes that this is someone with a lot of emotional baggage who’s trying to sort through it as best he can, so it’s not a good idea to rush/spook them by being explicit or demanding.

I'm basing this on my first playthrough, when I didn't know exactly what was going to happen.    The feeling I got with him was that he was happy with the situation, up until Taliesin.   I didn't get any sort of impression that he's torturing himself over thinking he might be in love (and he would be very ambivalent about it, after Rinna).   The feelings are there, but he thankfully doesn't recognise them - probably avoids thinking about it too deeply.  The love gets a little bit of time to mature before he has to deal with it.  That's the impression that I get.   But I agree, he knows he wants to stay.   He just doesn't know it's because he's in love.  

When you kill Taliesin, he's truly free for the first time, and I believe that's when he starts thinking a little more deeply.  He needs to know your intentions again - if you want to have him around.    It seems to be that freedom to choose, and him realising that he wants to stay, that starts the process of him realising what's going on. 

I played that first PC as being similar to him.  She thought they were happily friends with benefits for most of the game.  But she was giving him all the best equipment, secretly .   It can work if you play as somebody trying not to spook him as well, although I do think the warden is guarded and non-committal in comparism to Zevran.  

[Nilfalasiel]

Sannox wrote...

It can work if you play as somebody trying not to spook him as well, although I do think the warden is guarded and non-committal in comparism to Zevran.  

Y'know, there's a very good reason for that, actually: the simple fact of being a GW. At least, with Alistair, you know you're in the same boat, you know you're both gonna die early, so it's probably less of an issue. With Zev, that's not the case at all, and the PC might be reluctant to commit because she/he genuinely doesn't know what's going to happen to them and knows she/he'll die young anyway. I don't know when you learn that you could die by killing the archdemon, nor when Morrigan offers the ritual, but it seems to me like there's a stretch of time where the GW might think that sacrificing her/himself is the only way out (and she/he wouldn't push Alistair to sacrifice himself instead). And that, contrasted to Zev viewing the situation as a new chance at life, can make for a pretty painful issue. I'd understand why the PC would be guarded with her/his feelings under the circumstances.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 01 juin 2010 - 12:40 .

[Aroihkin]

ALSO GUYS, THIS IS PAGE 1234. MY OCD IS APPEASED BY THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. YOU MAY PROCEED.

[blademaster7]

Tellervo wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Should I download the gatekiss mod? I just started the final battle and I'm wondering if I should use it? Does it work for all the companions, or just Zevran?

It works for every LI, but the extra cutscenes are when you choose your final party (with Riordan), not at the final battle.

Well, I tried the mod. Leliana's kiss is not even a kiss. It seems like their hugging and Leliana looks the wrong way...

Morrigan has some issues as well. I'm about to check Zevran now.

[Tellervo]

blademaster7 wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Should I download the gatekiss mod? I just started the final battle and I'm wondering if I should use it? Does it work for all the companions, or just Zevran?

It works for every LI, but the extra cutscenes are when you choose your final party (with Riordan), not at the final battle.

Well, I tried the mod. Leliana's kiss is not even a kiss. It seems like their hugging and Leliana looks the wrong way...

Morrigan has some issues as well. I'm about to check Zevran now.

It is still in beta, and Charsen is working on clipping with everyone, I think, which explains some of the distance.  I also seem to recall that he's going for a less passionate/more emotional bent.  For example, I know that Zev doesn't actually kiss the Warden, either (see my forum icon, and about a billion videos on YouTube).  I haven't gotten the others that far to check them.

[Charsen]

blademaster7 wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Should I download the gatekiss mod? I just started the final battle and I'm wondering if I should use it? Does it work for all the companions, or just Zevran?

It works for every LI, but the extra cutscenes are when you choose your final party (with Riordan), not at the final battle.

Well, I tried the mod. Leliana's kiss is not even a kiss. It seems like their hugging and Leliana looks the wrong way...

Morrigan has some issues as well. I'm about to check Zevran now.

it's still in alpha and constantly changing. there are many things that prevent a true lip-locking kiss in a game like this. for one thing, the lips cannot detect where other lips are on the warden, whose lips may be of any height or inset. that means i have no ability to tell if your lips will meet the NPC's. that is why it is more cuddling, because it is a tender moment at least. i cannot make it look like a movie. no one can... it's not in the game engine's ability. sorry it was not up to your expectations. 

i did however make a new kiss for morrigan for the Kisses mod, that has more of a lip locking. however, it may have problems with people whose wardens have very non-standard lips. nothing i can do about it though. i could have easily left in the standard kisses where the PC's face is literally inside the NPC's head. then i wouldn't have wasted hours trying to pull all of them apart and turn the cameras for the views, i suppose.

Modifié par Charsen, 01 juin 2010 - 01:15 .

[blademaster7]

Charsen wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Should I download the gatekiss mod? I just started the final battle and I'm wondering if I should use it? Does it work for all the companions, or just Zevran?

It works for every LI, but the extra cutscenes are when you choose your final party (with Riordan), not at the final battle.

Well, I tried the mod. Leliana's kiss is not even a kiss. It seems like their hugging and Leliana looks the wrong way...

Morrigan has some issues as well. I'm about to check Zevran now.

it's still in alpha and constantly changing. there are many things that prevent a true lip-locking kiss in a game like this. sorry it was not up to your expectations.

Hey it's not a complain or anything. I apprieciate the work you're trying to do and I'm looking forward to seeing the finished version.

If it helps I can do some testing as well. I have save files for Morrigan, Leliana(both male and female) and Zevran(female).

[Minaleth]

I actually like gatekisses as they are (most seen only on videos though), it's quite intimate cuddling and very sweet, rather than real kiss - that is for obvious reasons and I very much like to see something different form 'cheated' camp kisses (you see them only from behind/front for obvious reasons again). Maybe they should have been named gate cuddles? *waves hand, Mina approves anyway*

[Charsen]

  

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Lel... well. I don't see any appeal in same sex relationships unless you are gay in real life.

I’m bi, so I don’t have an issue with the possibility of an f/f romance. It’s Lel’s personality that’s the deal breaker.

i don't think your RL sexuality matters for a game romance, though it is more natural to have one that fits your own, that's for sure. i say this because as a gay gamer i have regularly only had the option for a straight romance anyway. otherwise it's the celibate hero but usually a RPG forces you to take up a hetero romance regardless. *shrug* ( it's like they're cramming a hetero lifestyle down your throat!! ..just kidding.. =d )


edit:
no worries, i know the kisses have a ways to go. honestly i have little motivation for them these days due to the difficulty with getting a decent lip lock. but i'm still working on them.

Modifié par Charsen, 01 juin 2010 - 02:07 .

[soignee]

Charsen wrote...

  

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Lel... well. I don't see any appeal in same sex relationships unless you are gay in real life.

I’m bi, so I don’t have an issue with the possibility of an f/f romance. It’s Lel’s personality that’s the deal breaker.

i don't think your RL sexuality matters for a game romance, though it is more natural to have one that fits your own, that's for sure. i say this because as a gay gamer i have regularly only had the option for a straight romance anyway. otherwise it's the celibate hero but usually a RPG forces you to take up a hetero romance regardless. *shrug* ( it's like they're cramming a hetero lifestyle down your throat!! ..just kidding.. =d )

IT'S THE STRAIGHT AGENDA, CHARSEN. HOW DARE THEY.

But hot lesbians are okay amirite amirite. AS LONG AS I CAN WATCH. *does dudebro highfive*

....I feel bad for the above now, God

[Minaleth]

I think we can be glad that in game romances are not only about straight male PC, so...

[Verly]

I'm a straight female and I have no problem playing f/f or m/m romances. I'm also not a dude and I can play as male players, so their sexuality is a non-issue for me. but I can understand that there are some people that can't play the game that way (there are people that can't play as the opposite sex either) I like that DA allows you to play it as you see fit. I'm also beyond thrilled that DA actually has gay and lesbian romances. (and Zev, gets engaged to whoever he is in a relationship with)

[Tellervo]

Oh hey, Mina--your new art, it's awesome. I'd offer something more constructive, but I wanted to say that before I forgot to.

[ejoslin]

The "It would be hard to kiss you" bug is across all platforms. On the PC there are mods that fix it, but on consoles, nada.

Whether it's casual or committed -- the dialogs truly support both. What is constant is you have someone who has been taught that falling in love, that any attachment, is wrong. If the warden brings up love, Zevran will say it's impossible.

However, there are so many dialogs that support that he was falling in love from the start, including the discussion with Wynne when she apologizes.

You don't have to play it that way. You can definitely have it be casual, have it be FWB all the way until he falls in love and the dialogs support that. But since there is so much that supports it the other way as well, it something that I at least can't have strong feelings about it -- both are right.  But I still get the feeling no matter how hard he is trying to keep it casual, he was falling in love from the start.

Actually, it's an interesting dynamic when you don't have sex with him. The relationship still builds, and there's nothing casual about it in that case. His jealousy talk is way nicer, his royal scandal talk is far more loving, even his refusal to go to the tent is far more reassuring and he tries to make the warden realize it's HIM, not the warden. But unless you're using Dialog Tweaks, seriously, when you play that way it's best to never go to the tent because in the vanilla game, you get that "let's be casual" aftertalk no matter what, and it doesn't work after they're in a committed relationship.

Part of what I like about the romance is how the dialogs support so many different things.

Edit: Charsen, I wanted to thank you again for Gatekiss.  I know you have put more work than is reasonable into it, but it is so beautiful.  It gives the scene the sadness and beauty it deserves -- so much more than just the default kiss would have.

Second edit: It's just that first conversation where he brings up the future and if they have a chance of having one.  I can see it if he's trying to figure out what's in store for his future.  He's ok with being told it will be nothing but sex in that conversation for sure, but if you don't go that way and have switched on the romance, he does want to know if the warden sees it as something that can continue afterwards.

Just another place where different dialogs support different reactions, I suppose.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 juin 2010 - 02:32 .