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[Nonvita]

*joins the rabid fan chant* Mina! Mina! Mina!

(By the way thanks to you I now have a $50 list of art materials I want to buy. XD)


Really? Top?
Oh Taliesin, you make Zevran sad whether you're dead or alive, you jerk.

Modifié par Nonvita, 02 juin 2010 - 07:20 .

[Sannox]

I know not everybody agrees, but I think Taliesin must have loved Zevran. He volunteered for the contract, even though it meant confronting grey wardens - something that only Zevran had done before, and then only because he (Zevran) wanted to die. And he doesn't take it to kill Zevran - he wants to get him back. It's a shame that he has to be killed.

[Sarah1281]

Sannox wrote...

I know not everybody agrees, but I think Taliesin must have loved Zevran. He volunteered for the contract, even though it meant confronting grey wardens - something that only Zevran had done before, and then only because he (Zevran) wanted to die. And he doesn't take it to kill Zevran - he wants to get him back. It's a shame that he has to be killed.

 If it was love it was a really twisted kind.

[Minaleth]

Nonvita wrote...
*joins the rabid fan chant* Mina! Mina! Mina!

*headdesk* What have got myself into? ... but maybe Charsen can do it in toolset? *grin*
You have to wait until I finish damn thesis (how I hate that thing, with burning passion), then I am all yours. Or it turns out to be inevitable to draw, and then I'll just do it anyway...

Nonvita wrote...
(By the way thanks to you I now have a $50 list of art materials I want to buy. XD)

That is not my fault! You just have that "gear acquisition syndrome" maybe... :innocent:<3

[Sannox]

Baby Loghain.   by Maeve's Child.



I just love the way the artist has captured Loghain in baby form.  Look at that scowl!  And the mouth. 

Modifié par Sannox, 02 juin 2010 - 07:33 .

[Sannox]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sannox wrote...

I know not everybody agrees, but I think Taliesin must have loved Zevran. He volunteered for the contract, even though it meant confronting grey wardens - something that only Zevran had done before, and then only because he (Zevran) wanted to die. And he doesn't take it to kill Zevran - he wants to get him back. It's a shame that he has to be killed.

 If it was love it was a really twisted kind.

Yes, Zevran explains that, doesn't he?  About what the Crows are taught about love, and about his own reaction to loving Rinna.  They were all twisted.  Zevran manages to break free because of Rinna's death and the aftermath, and then the relationship with the warden.   Taliesen hasn't had the opportunity and is still in Crow mode.  I imagine the two of them weren't that different.  Taliesen is pretty much what Zevran was before the warden met him.

[Sarah1281]

Elps wrote...

Sannox wrote...

Baby Loghain.   by Maeve's Child.



I just love the way the artist has captured Loghain in baby form.  Look at that scowl!  And the mouth. 

Cute, but wouldn't baby Loghain been a happy, smiling little commoner? His life seems to have been happy until he was traumatized by the Orlesians and seeing his mother brutally murdered. That would put a scowl on any young man's face, but I'm not sure he had anything to scowl about when he was a youngster.

He still had to share a country with the Orlesians, didn't he? 

[Sarah1281]

Elps wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Elps wrote...

Sannox wrote...

Baby Loghain.   by Maeve's Child.



I just love the way the artist has captured Loghain in baby form.  Look at that scowl!  And the mouth. 

Cute, but wouldn't baby Loghain been a happy, smiling little commoner? His life seems to have been happy until he was traumatized by the Orlesians and seeing his mother brutally murdered. That would put a scowl on any young man's face, but I'm not sure he had anything to scowl about when he was a youngster.

He still had to share a country with the Orlesians, didn't he? 

Do babies even know who they share a country with? 

If the baby in question is Loghain and the people he's sharing a country with are Orlesians...yes. Yes he does. And he is not pleased.

[Sannox]

Elps wrote...

Sannox wrote...

I know not everybody agrees, but I think Taliesin must have loved Zevran. He volunteered for the contract, even though it meant confronting grey wardens - something that only Zevran had done before, and then only because he (Zevran) wanted to die. And he doesn't take it to kill Zevran - he wants to get him back. It's a shame that he has to be killed.

Hmm... I thought Master Ignacio said that Taliesin was the Master who held the contract? Zev was the assassin amongst Taliesin's team who put in the highest bid to carry out the contract, but he didn't have control over the contract. 

I'm not convinced Taliesin could have taken Zevran back. Zev failed and the penalty for failure is death. Taliesin is just a Master, reporting to bosses higher up and no matter whether he genuinely wanted Zev back or not, Zev would have to account to the Crows. 

It *is* a shame that Taliesin had to die, but there's no way around that. The Crows have existed for centuries because they keep their word. The contract on the Wardens cannot be ended until everyone in Taliesin's team is dead, according to Master Ignacio. My rogue Warden would have preferred to recruit him the same way she recruited Zev 

I'm never sure how it all works, but Zevran asks if Taliesin 'volunteered' for the job, or if he was sent.   I imagine he bid for the contract in the same way that Zevran did for the merchant contract and the grey warden contract.    My bet is that he was the only volunteer.    But if Taliesen wanted to keep Zevran alive, volunteering was his only choice.  (That's assuming that if nobody volunteers, somebody is sent to the job.  Whoever who was sent would kill Zevran).  

I agree that he wouldn't likely have had much chance in taking Zevran back.   But that was his way - he was the one who wanted to make up a story about Rinna, before it turned out that they'd been set up.   And who knows?  It might have been possible.   If Zevran was so good, the Crows might have wanted to bend the rules to have him back, depending on what story he and Taliesen could concoct (possibly something about Zevran taking the opportunity to get close to the grey wardens to trap them).

[Sannox]

Elps wrote...

Sannox wrote...

Baby Loghain.   by Maeve's Child.



I just love the way the artist has captured Loghain in baby form.  Look at that scowl!  And the mouth. 

Cute, but wouldn't baby Loghain been a happy, smiling little commoner? His life seems to have been happy until he was traumatized by the Orlesians and seeing his mother brutally murdered. That would put a scowl on any young man's face, but I'm not sure he had anything to scowl about when he was a youngster.

(Edit: I think the quotes were making it too big so I've removed some.) 

*reposts cute baby Loghain*

Some of how Loghain looks is the way his face is made, so he would still have that mouth and that brow, for instance.  I think it's spot on. 

Modifié par Sannox, 02 juin 2010 - 08:02 .

[Aroihkin]

Haha, all the Taliesen-hate is making my stubborn ass look forward to reaching that plot-point in IO.

Edit: Took out spoilers. Let's just say I'm annoyed with how the game forces that encounter to go, and may not stick to it.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 02 juin 2010 - 08:10 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Elps wrote...

Your processor is minimum spec, and RAM is fine, but your graphics card probably won't let you play DA. The nVidia GeForce Go 7400 dynamically allocates memory from the main system to use for graphics when needed. It will be needed A LOT with your system and the problem with this is that it will slow your computer down past the point where the game is playable. If you can upgrade your graphics card to one that is supported by the game this should work.

Blarg. That's bad news, because I know absolutely nothing about graphics cards. I wouldn't even know where to start looking for an upgrade.

Oh well, guess I'll just have to do without all the yummy Zev mods then...

@ ejoslin: You could play ME2 without playing ME1...but you'd be missing out on lots of references, as well as important backstory for some of the best characters in the series (Wrex, Garrus, Tali). Also, since ME2 uses your ME1 saves to carry over some of your ME1 decisions, you won't be getting that either: the game will just make default choices for you...and they're not necessarily ones you want. I know I definitely wouldn't want them, because they basically involve you killing everyone that can be killed; which obviously doesn't work if you're trying to play a good character. So I'd recommend you play ME1 first. Yes, it has some drawbacks by comparison with ME2 (damn inventory system...or lack thereof), but the story, for example, is better than in ME2. And it's still a great game. IMO, at least.

[Aroihkin]

Eh, I run DA on my crappy laptop. Its processor is a Dual T3200 @ 2.00 GHZ, the laptop as a whole has 4 Gigs of RAM, and it has nothing listed for a graphics card, because I believe it has one of those stupid graphics "chips" or something.

(Edit: if whatever it is is listed, it's not on the main "my compuer > properties" area, at least. Whatever it is, it's certainly relying on the system's memory, it doesn't have any of its own.)

I just have to run it on the absolute lowest graphics settings or it turns into a slideshow really fast, and my lag during large battles often won't allow skills/spells/poultices/potions to go off until it's almost too late, even though the animations will fire. It would probably be a lot more fun if I could have the pretty, or at least run it all smoothly, but it does run.

I'm not sure how big a difference my extra two gigs of RAM and such makes, though. :/

Modifié par Aroihkin, 02 juin 2010 - 08:32 .

[Jayelet]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Elps wrote...

Your processor is minimum spec, and RAM is fine, but your graphics card probably won't let you play DA. The nVidia GeForce Go 7400 dynamically allocates memory from the main system to use for graphics when needed. It will be needed A LOT with your system and the problem with this is that it will slow your computer down past the point where the game is playable. If you can upgrade your graphics card to one that is supported by the game this should work.

Blarg. That's bad news, because I know absolutely nothing about graphics cards. I wouldn't even know where to start looking for an upgrade.

Oh well, guess I'll just have to do without all the yummy Zev mods then...

@ ejoslin: You could play ME2 without playing ME1...but you'd be missing out on lots of references, as well as important backstory for some of the best characters in the series (Wrex, Garrus, Tali). Also, since ME2 uses your ME1 saves to carry over some of your ME1 decisions, you won't be getting that either: the game will just make default choices for you...and they're not necessarily ones you want. I know I definitely wouldn't want them, because they basically involve you killing everyone that can be killed; which obviously doesn't work if you're trying to play a good character. So I'd recommend you play ME1 first. Yes, it has some drawbacks by comparison with ME2 (damn inventory system...or lack thereof), but the story, for example, is better than in ME2. And it's still a great game. IMO, at least.

The modules on Zevran, work very well with my card old graphics. I doubt you have problems with it. My drivers are not updated.

I agree the ME1 is much better, especially the story ... and the ending is shocking.

[Sarah1281]

Jayelet wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Elps wrote...

Your processor is minimum spec, and RAM is fine, but your graphics card probably won't let you play DA. The nVidia GeForce Go 7400 dynamically allocates memory from the main system to use for graphics when needed. It will be needed A LOT with your system and the problem with this is that it will slow your computer down past the point where the game is playable. If you can upgrade your graphics card to one that is supported by the game this should work.

Blarg. That's bad news, because I know absolutely nothing about graphics cards. I wouldn't even know where to start looking for an upgrade.

Oh well, guess I'll just have to do without all the yummy Zev mods then...

@ ejoslin: You could play ME2 without playing ME1...but you'd be missing out on lots of references, as well as important backstory for some of the best characters in the series (Wrex, Garrus, Tali). Also, since ME2 uses your ME1 saves to carry over some of your ME1 decisions, you won't be getting that either: the game will just make default choices for you...and they're not necessarily ones you want. I know I definitely wouldn't want them, because they basically involve you killing everyone that can be killed; which obviously doesn't work if you're trying to play a good character. So I'd recommend you play ME1 first. Yes, it has some drawbacks by comparison with ME2 (damn inventory system...or lack thereof), but the story, for example, is better than in ME2. And it's still a great game. IMO, at least.

The modules on Zevran, work very well with my card old graphics. I doubt you have problems with it. My drivers are not updated.

I agree the ME1 is much better, especially the story ... and the ending is shocking.

I wasn't happy you only got a month between ME1 and ME2, though. At least for Awakening it was six months! Bet you anything the doctor will be back for ME3 since she's one of, what, two people on the Normandy besides Shepard that has to survive.

[Sannox]

Elps wrote...
I wish I had the toolset working ... but from memory this is how the story plays out...

Zevran is part of Taliesin's team (perhaps). Master Ignacio says another Master has a contract out on the Wardens and this contract cannot be revoked, so the Master will still come after the Warden - he says this during the Trial of Crows side quest. He also says Zevran is dead to him and that Zev is Taliesin's problem, which seems to support the notion that Zevran is part of Taliesin's team.

When Taliesin encounters the Warden I don't think he was there to complete the contract. He volunteered to look for Zevran when rumors reached the Crows that Zev was still alive. He intended to find Zev & offer to take him back to Antiva. If Zev had not been with the Warden when Taliesin found him they would have had to complete the contract anyway so Zev could return. 

Ignacio doesn't actually say Taliesin is the Master who holds the contract or whether Zev is the Master. In the context of Origins it doesn't matter much - once a contract has been accepted by the Crows it stands until its completed. However, this does mean that Taliesin may have only accepted a contract to find Zev and that killing the Wardens is simply a part of getting Zev to return. 

Hmm... not sure I've made a lot of sense. Need coffee...

No, you are making sense.  I'm just not always clear about these things.   Zevran and Taliesen do seem to be at a similar level, because Zevran selects Taliesen for his team on the Rinna mission.    Does that mean they're both masters?  I thought not, but I don't understand the structure.   They both seem to be in a position to bid for contracts, which I took to mean that they weren't approached directly (e.g. by Howe), but that somebody higher up did that deal.   Which would mean that if the assassination failed the contract would be outstanding and either another bid would be accepted, or somebody would be 'sent'.  

Zevran says that his life is forfeit and if you ask him to leave he explains that he will be killed if he does.  So essentially, there seems to an in-house contract out on Zevran.   One that Taliesin volunteered for.   That's the way I interpreted it, anyway.

Meanwhile, the Grey Warden contract is outstanding partly because nobody will bid for it.   Zevran's was the only bid.   Whether that means that eventually somebody would be sent, I don't know.   Yes, Taliesin could be primarly there for the Grey Warden contract rather than the Zevran contract.  It's not clear.  He does ask for Zevran, though, so that seems to be his priority.   Both contracts were suicidal, although I bet Taliesen thought Zevran would want to come back with him (why not, from his point of view?), and would be fighting on his side.

[Nilfalasiel]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I wasn't happy you only got a month between ME1 and ME2, though. At least for Awakening it was six months! 

Well, technically, it's 2 years before the actual ME2 storyline starts.

Edit: I also found the system reqs for DA:O.

Minimum System Requirements
OS: Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1
Processor: Intel Core 2 DUO @ 1.4 GHz/AMD Athlon64 X2 @ 1.8 GHz
Memory: 1 GB
Hard Drive: 20 GB Free
Video Memory: 128 MB (nVidia GeForce 6600/ATI Radeon X850)
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 9.0c
Keyboard & Mouse
DVD Rom Drive

nvidia GeForce 6600 seems to be the minimum. Isn't that worse than what I have?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 02 juin 2010 - 09:10 .

[Aroihkin]

Taliesen and Zevran, I always figured, are just regular Crows, probably working in the same cell. They're not rookies, but they're just... Crows. Also: not Masters. I always thought that was clear, personally. Zevran is a promising young Crow, but he's still just one of the herd when he goes off to die in Ferelden. What I always found interesting was how they seem to have a commission-based system of pay for the individual grunts of the organization.

[Nilfalasiel]

Elps wrote...

The great thing about the so-called system requirements is that the Bioware DA site shows different requirements to the EA store site and different versions of the EA sites show different requirements again!  

The minimum requirements for Windows 7 PC's are supposedly:
e 2 SINGLE 1.6 GHz equivalent or faster / AMD Athlon 64 2.0GHz Processor equivalent or faster
Memory: 1.5 GB for Vista and Windows 7
Hard Drive: At least 4.0 GB of free space**
DVD-ROM Drive: 8x Speed
Video Card: 256MB RAM for Vista and Windows 7***
Sound Card: Direct X 9.0c compatible
DirectX: Version 9.0c (November 2007)

Supported video cards: ATI Radeon X1550 256MB or better; NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT or better. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. 

This is getting OT for Zevran though so I suggest you run a search in the PC tech support forums for info on how the game will run (if it will) on your laptop & maybe post your system specs there for people to comment. 

Yeah, that's what I did. Thanks for the help. It just seems silly that there would be different versions of the reqs. And I'd really rather not spend a fortune on a graphics card just for one game

But yes, back to Zev. I can't seem to decide whether to invest in lockpicking for him. On the one hand, Leliana has it maxed out, and Zev has so many other skills he could be focussing on. But on the other hand, I really dislike her, and I'd really rather have Zev in my party instead. However, that means either permanently having 2 rogues (instead of a slot that could be used for a mage) or running through areas twice to pick up chests...Dilemma.

[ejoslin]

soignee wrote...

Colleagues with benefits? (Wouldn't call Taliesen a friend, somehow.) Always pegged them as the same age, to be honest.

Toolset ages are not accurate, but according to it, Taliesen is 39 and Zevran is 24, so at least at one point Taliesen was meant to be a good deal older than Zevran.

They were lovers for sure.  Zevran says they were friends, but also will say that there really was no such thing as friendship in the Crows.

Edit: Toolset says Ignacio is in management, but Taliesen is just another crow.

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 juin 2010 - 11:10 .