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[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

No no no, Zevran likes everyone equally! Just the Devs prefer Zevran with Dwarfs, apparently. It's their fault. =(
But the mind makes up for what's not on the screen with Elves/Humans. =P

But but but . . . Zevran smiles with the dwarven female.  More than once.    No human or elf can say the same!  So does that just mean that the dwarf is best?  

Edit: Goddamn, THIS is on the top of the page too!  I give up!

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 01:37 .

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

No no no, Zevran likes everyone equally! Just the Devs prefer Zevran with Dwarfs, apparently. It's their fault. =(
But the mind makes up for what's not on the screen with Elves/Humans. =P

But but but . . . Zevran smiles with the dwarven female.  More than once.    No human or elf can say the same!  So does that just mean that the dwarf is best?  

Edit: Goddamn, THIS is on the top of the page too!  I give up!

no it just means female dwarves are spoiled when it comes to zev fansqueeness us male dwarf players dont have it near as good (though my aeducen, zev can show his awesome parenting skills lol)

also Lol

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 21 février 2010 - 01:39 .

[soignee]

random thing I love about Zev at 100% love:



PC: Care to answer some questions?

Zevran: As long as they're dirty ones...

[Cuddlezarro]

I like it when he says "can I respond with bad poetry? no how sad"



also I like that laugh he gives when you click on him some times its a kind of laugh one would give if their lover pinched them on the butt :3

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: Goddamn, THIS is on the top of the page too!  I give up!

LOL.  You have all the luck... good or bad, I couldn't say ;D  (Also, thanks for the input on my query! :3)

Nonvita wrote...

@ jenovan- My answer: absolutely. Zevran
would still be at the point of not seeing sex as more than physical,
and he's definitely one to view his 'talents' as being very much for
the benefit of the other person. If you approached him looking for
comfort, I don't see any reason he'd turn that down. I don't know that
he'd have many feelings about the actual situation, but a little
lovemaking is a little lovemaking, so what does it matter the reason?
XD I think he'd actually be a little thrilled at the prospect of being
able to give you something pleasurable.

Thanks for the input! 
Zevran is perfectly willing to be invited to the tent at that stage, under normal circumstances.  In that scenario, tho, I'd wonder if the Warden's state of mind might change Zevran's mind about that.  Again, could see it either way ;D  I hadn't thought about that last bit, though... That's also valid.  Zevran definitely has some pride in his skills, why not put them to some happy use? 

Ahhh, too many alternatives!

Modifié par jenovan, 21 février 2010 - 02:20 .

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

But but but . . . Zevran smiles with the dwarven female.  More than once.    No human or elf can say the same!  So does that just mean that the dwarf is best?  

Not liiiistening! La la la la la, my ears are closed!
*grumble grumble spoiled DFs grumble grumble*


@jenovan: that's why I stay away from fanfic. XD But I'm sure that either reaction would seem understandable, so do what feels most natural for your story!

[Cuddlezarro]

So Alexander is in Orzammar at the moment and Zevran pointed out how in a 100 years the only dwarves left alive would most likely be the surface ones



Iv never got that before~

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

So Alexander is in Orzammar at the moment and Zevran pointed out how in a 100 years the only dwarves left alive would most likely be the surface ones

Iv never got that before~

I have.  Zevran is usually the most observant of your party, and he's spot on.  It's fun taking Zevran to all the zones partnered just to hear all his comments (yes, I do that, I'm so weird).

[Cuddlezarro]

you know I really wish he had more to say during the jarvia quest and the casteless wardens homecoming that is disappointing he doesnt comment on any of that



you would have thought he would point out leske isnt trust worthy or something atleast

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

you know I really wish he had more to say during the jarvia quest and the casteless wardens homecoming that is disappointing he doesnt comment on any of that

you would have thought he would point out leske isnt trust worthy or something atleast

I think the only comments he makes at the homecomings are, ummm, well, City Elf, but that's really understandable given he just learned you had a wedding day, and Dwarf Noble, but only if you tell him you can't support Bhelen because of how he screwed you over (heh, and he's not sympathetic to you in that exchange).  Oh, female mage as well when they get to Cullen, but he's mocking Cullen, really.  Morrigan's comment when meeting the Dwarf Casteless mom surprised me, actually; I think she's the only one who could pull off empathy there.

I think part of the problem is if your companions normally commented on these very personal things, it would sound like pity.  I like to think they talk about it later, at camp, alone and privately.  I really like the homecomings, even without comments, because I like the rest of the companions seeing the warden's life beforehand.

Alistair in the alienage really ticked me off, actually, my first playthrough when I was romancing him.  I think his fear there made my character feel more dirty than anything.  The fact that the dumping came really soon after that made the whole thing that much worse.  

[TripLight]

Goddamnit girls, Zevran had me at "Oh I see our warden was a little heartbreaker as an apprentice" (well loosely that saying)
*just finished Broken Circle, started main quest line with Brecilian Forest

[Nonvita]

Mmm yeah, my character was pretty embarrassed being questioned about the wedding, especially since she'd avoided talking about it the whole time. (Although I'd be annoyed too if I'd mentioned it to Alistair before only to have him react that way.) It was nice, though, to have some acknowledgment of the events with them. Zevran's reaction is much more touching than Alistair's, for sure.



Although I'll admit his comment about the CEs peeing on the tree was a little *too* on target for her. I'd felt from the start that the tree meant a great deal to her, as a symbol of hope and pride for her heritage. His comment really made her realize how pathetic many of the other CEs were-- never striving for anything more and disrespecting the sacrifices of their ancestors--and Shianni's later remarks really added to the feeling. It was like coming home made her realize just how little she belonged there, and that she'd never actually felt that close to the other elves there.



Zevran's usual shrewd (but apt) appraisal of things once again hit the mark on the head. It was such a strange dose of reality compared to how emotional my character felt at that moment. I didn't know whether to hate him or love him more in that moment. XD

[Monica21]

@ejoslin, In what order do you do the treaties? I'm considering a Dalish elf for my next playthrough and want to go to the Dalish camp first if only so I take him through the Circle. And Orzammar is too long to wait for him. I hope I'm safe in assuming that the dialogue about his mother will trigger whenever you're with the Dalish and not just when you first get there.

[Cuddlezarro]

The fact that the dumping came really soon after that made the whole thing that much worse.

atleast you didnt kill alistair when you dumped him unlike what happened to Baren

how he fell in love with a chantry humper I will never know since he insulted the chantry when ever he got the chance

oh well it worked out in the end since dear Zev was there to pick at the pieces after that fiasco

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 21 février 2010 - 04:34 .

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

@ejoslin, In what order do you do the treaties? I'm considering a Dalish elf for my next playthrough and want to go to the Dalish camp first if only so I take him through the Circle. And Orzammar is too long to wait for him. I hope I'm safe in assuming that the dialogue about his mother will trigger whenever you're with the Dalish and not just when you first get there.

It will -- and it's actually nice being able to give him the gloves so early.  I mix up the order I do the treaties, though I agree that with Dalish it just makes so much sense to head there first. If you're planning on romancing Zevran, Andastre's temple is also not out of the question.  What's revealed there about him you find out much earlier in the game when he's romanced as opposed to just friends so there's a very good chance you'll know all before heading up there anyway, especially if it's one of the later quests you do.

Edit:

TripLight wrote...

Goddamnit girls, Zevran had me at "Oh I see our warden was a little heartbreaker as an apprentice" (well loosely that saying)
*just finished Broken Circle, started main quest line with Brecilian Forest

I love him in the circle.  It casts a whole different light on a lot of his comments.  And yes, his reaction to Cullen was pretty funny -- he's got a mean sense of humor.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 04:48 .

[Cuddlezarro]

I love him in the circle. It casts a whole different light on a lot of his comments. And yes, his reaction to Cullen was pretty funny -- he's got a mean sense of humor.

after the Ignorant heathen dwarf comment I say let Zev insult the crap out of him

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

The fact that the dumping came really soon after that made the whole thing that much worse.

atleast you didnt kill alistair when you dumped him unlike what happened to Baren

how he fell in love with a chantry humper I will never know since he insulted the chantry when ever he got the chance

oh well it worked out in the end since dear Zev was there to pick at the pieces after that fiasco

My first playthrough, Alistair dumped my city elf at the landsmeet.  I was devastated.  And no, I don't mean my PC, though she was as well, I mean ME, personally.  I had known on some level it was coming, but I really thought it would turn out differently.  Poor Zev that game was the rebound guy.  And I was just as stunned with the way that one ended -- and as much as I had loved Alistair, it was so much less than how I felt after my warden ended up engaged to Zevran.  And that romance STILL feels so special, even after doing it I don't know how many times.  I love the Alistair romance, don't get me wrong, but after feeling like someone had kicked me in the stomach that first time, I just don't feel it quite the same.  But I will admit, his "Maker's breath, but you're beautiful" still makes me smile.  I love his voice.

And in a way, I did kill Alistair. Keep in mind, I had no clue what would happen.  I didn't trust Morrigan, and turned down the ritual.  Alistair was my tank, always.  Zevran was never in my party, actually, that entire game, but when I tried to leave him at the gates, he was so sad, and so sweet, and so tender, I did my only reload of that first game and took him with me, in his crappy gear and crow dagger!  And I was going to sacrifice myself -- I thought that was an option.  

I actually think the kiss and sacrifice is one of the saddest, most beautiful moments -- it's a fantastic ending.  I was in tears, I was so moved.  Just tragic!

edit: @Nonvita Yes, the alienage . . . ugh.  And seeing Zevran's heart just breaking . . .  Alistair romanced is more indignant, which is understandable UNLESS you told him in Flemmeth's hut and then later told Bann Teagan in front of him what happened.  *grin*  Actually, I think Alistair was more surprised than anything -- but since Alistair at that point is still not looking at their future in anything other than a faint hope, it's understandable I suppose that he would not have the same reaction.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 05:07 .

[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

@ejoslin, In what order do you do the treaties? I'm considering a Dalish elf for my next playthrough and want to go to the Dalish camp first if only so I take him through the Circle. And Orzammar is too long to wait for him. I hope I'm safe in assuming that the dialogue about his mother will trigger whenever you're with the Dalish and not just when you first get there.

It will -- and it's actually nice being able to give him the gloves so early.  I mix up the order I do the treaties, though I agree that with Dalish it just makes so much sense to head there first. If you're planning on romancing Zevran, Andastre's temple is also not out of the question.  What's revealed there about him you find out much earlier in the game when he's romanced as opposed to just friends so there's a very good chance you'll know all before heading up there anyway, especially if it's one of the later quests you do.

Thanks. :-) I was just thinking of the quickest thing to get Zevran, and since I don't know how I'll handle Connor and Isolde I want to have him in my party for the Circle. And yep, with the elf mage I do plan on a romance. Although, I planned on that with my CE, but I have a very hard time playing her because of the origin story. The mage origin is easier to recover from.

[Cuddlezarro]

iv only done the sacrifice alistair playthrough once and I wasnt romancing him but I wasnt a big fan of how apathetic every one was to the fact one of their friends just died



also Alistair sacrificing himself to save your life isnt exactly comparable to the person you love trying to kill you imo

[Nonvita]

I love the fact that most of us ended up with Zevran by getting bamboozled by Alistair. XD And yet now very few of us give the Alistair romance much time of day. I wonder if most of the Alistair fangirls have ever tried the Zevran romance.



I guess you could say, "Once you go Antivan, you can never return"...



Or, "Once you go Crow, the others just blow"...?







I'll just be shutting up now...

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

iv only done the sacrifice alistair playthrough once and I wasnt romancing him but I wasnt a big fan of how apathetic every one was to the fact one of their friends just died

also Alistair sacrificing himself to save your life isnt exactly comparable to the person you love trying to kill you imo

You know, there is a lot of tragedy in the game -- I'm not sure you can compare any of them.  I think people get annoyed with Alistair when they compare his life to Zevran's, but that's not fair because of the kind of people they both are, they're going to react differently to different situations.  Zevran has far more inner strength and is smarter, and would probably shine no matter what, whereas Alistair is a far more gentle soul, and fairly broken from just always being cast aside, so even a much gentler upbringing would still be very traumatic for him.  It was painful and he ended up very scarred.  Did he have as much "right" to be scarred?  I don't think there's any rules regarding that. 

I think what is sad about Alistair sacrificing himself is that is what he wants to do.  He honestly wants to die; this death, it gives him a sense of purpose and honor and rightness that he, even as king, or even as grey warden, he would not have.  And that to me is sad, because he IS a kind soul, and will put anyone and everyone ahead of himself.  He never felt he had the right to be happy, to be loved.  

And yes, I think the saddest part is no one was honoring him.  The PC may have been the leader, but Alistair was there, and he contributed so much, even before dying.

Hmmmm, this truly isn't Alistair squee.  I just happen to like the character.  He is a lot more complex than he first appears as well.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 06:10 .

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

I love the fact that most of us ended up with Zevran by getting bamboozled by Alistair. XD And yet now very few of us give the Alistair romance much time of day. I wonder if most of the Alistair fangirls have ever tried the Zevran romance.

I guess you could say, "Once you go Antivan, you can never return"...

Or, "Once you go Crow, the others just blow"...?



I'll just be shutting up now...

The Zevran romance is such an unexpected treasure.  Who would have EVER thought that it would end up like that when you first meet him?  Though I have to admit he really peaked my interest when he got it straight almost from the start whether they were going to be friends, more than friends, or have a future.  Second playthrough, I appreciated that a LOT.

Edit: I will admit, though, it's not a pretty romance.  You have to really try to step into his shoes, because you're going to get some pretty gritty stuff there. I still think it's sad that to really see how deep his feelings run, you have to hurt him.  Because he so rarely shows that loving side.  But then again, when he does show it . . . wowza.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 05:20 .

[Monica21]

Nonvita wrote...

I love the fact that most of us ended up with Zevran by getting bamboozled by Alistair. XD And yet now very few of us give the Alistair romance much time of day. I wonder if most of the Alistair fangirls have ever tried the Zevran romance.

I guess you could say, "Once you go Antivan, you can never return"...

Or, "Once you go Crow, the others just blow"...?

I'll just be shutting up now...

lol... That's an interesting line of thought. I've found Alistair to be pretty easy to figure out, but he's also a fairly complex character. I wouldn't call it "bamboozling" so much as "being caught up in a series of events over which he has little control and then choosing to do the right thing for Ferelden even though he still loves you" but that's not very snappy.

And since I've never had more than a passing interest in Zevran, I may be able to answer this for myself too with an upcoming character. If I had to guess though, I'd say both are appealing in their own ways and different players see things differently. That's the good part about multiple romance options.

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

Thanks. :-) I was just thinking of the quickest thing to get Zevran, and since I don't know how I'll handle Connor and Isolde I want to have him in my party for the Circle. And yep, with the elf mage I do plan on a romance. Although, I planned on that with my CE, but I have a very hard time playing her because of the origin story. The mage origin is easier to recover from.

I usually sacrifice Isolde, and I know that sounds horrible.  But that was my initial reaction my first playthrough.  I was so worried that Conner would kill more people or order more elves tortured, and I thought even two days was too long.  I now know, of course, that nothing bad happens, but in some ways, it's also offering Isolde some redemption for letting all those people die.  And as a mother, I would do the same.  I had her kill Conner once as well -- I never ever want to see that scene again.  It is done so well, and it is awful.

Have fun with the romance!  You do not get the beautiful words or sentiments as you do from the Alistair one for sure.  But Zevran does try to win the warden in his own way -- and is so incredibly awkward about it, which once you realize that is what is going on, it can be pretty endearing.

[Cuddlezarro]

the only worthwhile thing that comes out of killing Conner is you get the punch Isolde in the face



lord knows that woman deserves it considering all that shes done and not just to the people under her rule but also to Alistair (plus her voice dear lord)