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[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...
I usually sacrifice Isolde, and I know that sounds horrible.  But that was my initial reaction my first playthrough.  I was so worried that Conner would kill more people or order more elves tortured, and I thought even two days was too long.  I now know, of course, that nothing bad happens, but in some ways, it's also offering Isolde some redemption for letting all those people die.  And as a mother, I would do the same.  I had her kill Conner once as well -- I never ever want to see that scene again.  It is done so well, and it is awful.

Have fun with the romance!  You do not get the beautiful words or sentiments as you do from the Alistair one for sure.  But Zevran does try to win the warden in his own way -- and is so incredibly awkward about it, which once  you realize that is what is going on, it can be pretty endearing.

Well, sacrificing her will definitely be a consideration. First, because she's so annoying and also because an elven mage wouldn't appreciate humans or people who wanted to hide their son's magic. I dunno, it'll be a bit  before I finish this playthrough so I'll have to figure out how I'm RP'ing her when I get there.

And no, I wouldn't expect beautiful words from Zevran. I think I have him at or near 100 Friendly now, and he's not a pretty words type. I know why he took the contract, so he does have pain, and pain doesn't lend itself to beauty, at least not the traditional kind. I may be wrong, but Zevran seems to be the sort that if he falls in love, there's no turning back and no other option than for him to continue loving you.

Modifié par Monica21, 21 février 2010 - 05:35 .

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

the only worthwhile thing that comes out of killing Conner is you get the punch Isolde in the face

lord knows that woman deserves it considering all that shes done and not just to the people under her rule but also to Alistair (plus her voice dear lord)

You can have her kill Conner, too.  It was one of the worst moments in the game for me.  I did it during my Alistair-hate game, and it was traumatic. When she begs you to stop, you can stop and talk to her.  She begs you leave her alone when she does it, so you and your companions wait on the balcony.  Ugh.

[Cuddlezarro]

I know I can have her kill Conner I actually have a screenshot of it but it is freaking awful

punching her in the face wasnt as bad(she had it coming) but still not worth killing a child over


also doesnt help Alistair exploded on me back at camp for killing Conner either even though HE suggested we do it in the first place

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 21 février 2010 - 05:42 .

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

Well, sacrificing her will definitely be a consideration. First, because she's so annoying and also because an elven mage wouldn't appreciate humans or people who wanted to hide their son's magic. I dunno, it'll be a bit  before I finish this playthrough so I'll have to figure out how I'm RP'ing her when I get there.

And no, I wouldn't expect beautiful words from Zevran. I think I have him at or near 100 Friendly now, and he's not a pretty words type. I know why he took the contract, so he does have pain, and pain doesn't lend itself to beauty, at least not the traditional kind. I may be wrong, but Zevran seems to be the sort that if he falls in love, there's no turning back and no other option than for him to continue loving you.

That sums it up.  Loving the warden just is what he becomes, and it's probably why the romance is so addicting.  You only learn a little more about him when romancing him, but it's really only a few more details that you have probably already figured out.  It's actually sad how much sooner he trusts the warden if romanced and how quickly his approval raises. 

Ok, I'm going *squee* aren't I.  I'll stop now!

[Cuddlezarro]

Ok, I'm going *squee* aren't I. I'll stop now!

well this is the Zevran Squee thread



so heres some more zevran squee stuff







also seems I got a screenshot of Wynnie the Poo telling my warden its not fitting for my warden to be in a relationship with zevran

[ejoslin]

From one of my favorite Zevran dialogs in the game. Gah, and I know it's not a romance dialog, and that makes it even better! The warden certainly has a lot of people who wants to die so (s)he can keep on living. Funny how the implications of everything kind of hit him there.

[Cuddlezarro]

I have that entire "grey warden dies unless he has a sidekick" conversation screenshotted for my viewing pleasure... want me to upload it?

[ejoslin]

I have it too; I absolutely love it. It's amazing how loyal he is, either as a friend or a lover. And how, as a lover, he is so completely happy. I love his "I am yours," greeting with the smile. Actually, all his romance greetings, his expression just gets warmer with each approval raise.

Bleh, they put in too many good details!

Edit: I think it's sad how many people who romance him miss the "untimely death" answer. Though actually, his answer when you tell him that you think of him as more than a friend is sweet, but it just can't compare.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 06:07 .

[Cuddlezarro]

I think its sadder people just dismiss him as a sleezy murder happy pervert

[EccentricSage]

Oooooh! Catching up to do!

First, OMG. Lots of good points made about Wynne a few pages back. I realize now that I have been very naive, as has Dristen. However, her change of heart after Zevran admits his love does show another, better side of Wynne, and she is wracked with guilt about letting her apprentice down so terribly. But what you guys say is true, about her having an incredibly heartless and selfish side. But I can't HATE her, ether... I guess it's because I understand her from a different perspective... She reminds me of my dad when she is at her worse, and I only hate him sometimes. He's not all bad ether... though he's worse than her, actually. So yeah. XD

It's funny, the talk about 'pretty words' and all. I'm actually not looking forward to romancing Alistair BECAUSE of the pretty words I hear about. Actually makes me go 'ew'. But I'm a woman who hates being treated like a woman so... I guess I have an unusual bias.

Zevran's gritty realness is a total turn on for me. And even before I came here and read so much spoiler for the romance, I already knew he was falling in love with my character... I didn't suspect it would ever become a traditional relationship, but all I care about is that he feels for my character and is loyal. Adore level love has actually been very satisfactory... what comes next is just icing on the gay wedding cake. LOL

Mmmm... In fact, I find his way of saying how he feals in such round about and creative ways so beautiful.  And I actually enjoy that so much goes unspoken.  It's easy to see in his actions, and his eyes, so why say it?

And this got me thinking about how verry disapointing it is that Leliana is the lesbian love interest.  UUUUUGH... I was really looking forward to a lesbian romance, but... ugh... just ugh... she's so flowers and kittens and fairy tales and oh by the way, killing is fun.  If they're going for fem fatail, they could have made her a bit more... of a woman... and less of a little girl.

The fact that Alistair's sacrifice is so disrespected is very distressing to me... I have a bad feeling Alistair US will be in the cards for Dristen, and yeah... Alistair is his buddy. Will there be proper respect if you were buddies with him at least?

And Jowan... ;_; I haven't played as a mage yet, so I didn't know him so personally nor his full back story, but Dristen REALLY wanted to save him. Realizing now that he could become a tranquil... *cringe* I made the wrong choice. I asked Eamon to spare him, and Eamon said in good concience he could only hand him over to the chantry lest he become a danger. I could understand where Eamon was coming from, since my character didn't know Jowan that well, but if the game had allowed me the option INSTEAD of there being this GAPING PLOT HOLE, Dristen would have used his right of conscription without a second thought to save Jowan. Seriously! They shouldn't have mentioned a right of conscription existing if we don't get the option to use it!!!

BTW, if you have Zev with you, what is his reaction to Jowan's situation, if he has any? I really regret doing two important stories BEFORE getting Zev.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 21 février 2010 - 07:15 .

[jenovan]

EccentricSage wrote...

First, OMG. Lots of good points made about Wynne a few pages back. I realize now that I have been very naive, as has Dristen. However, her change of heart after Zevran admits his love does show another, better side of Wynne, and she is wracked with guilt about letting her apprentice down so terribly. But what you guys say is true, about her having an incredibly heartless and selfish side.

Heh, neither of my Wardens have had TOO much trouble getting along with Wynne (although her romance disses are really aggravating), but I was just walking around with her and Loghain in the party, and holy $#@%!   My elf's tried so hard to at least be cordial to Loghain, and Wynne's behind him ****ing the guy out.  I can understand if she's upset about what he's done, but she seems so sure he's still up to something. wtf??

EccentricSage wrote...
And Jowan... ;_; I haven't played as a mage yet, so I didn't know him so personally nor his full back story, but Dristen REALLY wanted to save him. Realizing now that he could become a tranquil... *cringe* I made the wrong choice. I asked Eamon to spare him, and Eamon said in good concience he could only hand him over to the chantry lest he become a danger. I could understand where Eamon was coming from, since my character didn't know Jowan that well, but if the game had allowed me the option INSTEAD of there being this GAPING PLOT HOLE, Dristen would have used his right of conscription without a second thought to save Jowan. Seriously! They shouldn't have mentioned a right of conscription existing if we don't get the option to use it!!!

BTW, if you have Zev with you, what is his reaction to Jowan's situation, if he has any? I really regret doing two important stories BEFORE getting Zev.

Ahhh Jowan.   I also hate that you lose the chance to set him free after you first find him. T_T;;
Unfortunately, as far as I was able to tell, going through a lot of different options, Zevran has nothing to say about the poor guy.

Modifié par jenovan, 21 février 2010 - 07:19 .

[Sresla]

Pretty sure it was posted somewhere that Jowan was originally destined to become another companion but they ended up writing it out (I don't remember the reason, too many mages maybe? But if that's the case, why do we get access to 50 million warriors!) My mage is good friends with Jowan and although he came close to betraying him to the First Enchanter, he did not. But, I don't think he would have conscripted him, either, seeing as how my character has a lot of empathy regarding the desire to leave the Circle behind and the Grey Wardens are still a prison in a sense (just as Zevran says about the Crows - it's a cage, if a gilded one).

Edit: And yes, it also sucks you can never bargain for his freedom once he says he'll help with the ritual, even if he's the one going into the Fade - you'd think that'd count for SOMETHING.

Modifié par Sresla, 21 février 2010 - 07:29 .

[Addai]

Zevran squee screenie of the evening:

Modifié par Addai67, 21 février 2010 - 07:41 .

[EccentricSage]

Sresla wrote...

Pretty sure it was posted somewhere that Jowan was originally destined to become another companion but they ended up writing it out (I don't remember the reason, too many mages maybe? But if that's the case, why do we get access to 50 million warriors!) My mage is good friends with Jowan and although he came close to betraying him to the First Enchanter, he did not. But, I don't think he would have conscripted him, either, seeing as how my character has a lot of empathy regarding the desire to leave the Circle behind and the Grey Wardens are still a prison in a sense (just as Zevran says about the Crows - it's a cage, if a gilded one).

Edit: And yes, it also sucks you can never bargain for his freedom once he says he'll help with the ritual, even if he's the one going into the Fade - you'd think that'd count for SOMETHING.

I would give him a choice, though...  I wouldn't force the conscription on him.  It would just be a way to override Eamon's decision.

I really wish they didn't write him out.  I heard there were budget limitations that EA had control over, so I'm guessing that played a big role. 

I understand why he couldn't just run away, since Wynne explained to me later about the vial of blood the Templars take that allows them to track the mage anywhere.  But if I could have at least let him choose to aid the Wardens, and then we'd make sure he never becomes an Abomination... *sigh*  I don't think being a GW is nearly as bad as being a Crow.  And really, life is a guilded cage... There are always limitations, there are always others imposing their will on your life, and thee will always be consequences for your actions.  Some people just have it worse than others... fewer choices, less room to move, worse sacrafices to make.

[Addai]

And another, elf mage in Orzammar.  I think they look so cute together.  She also has the "Suave" voice which is  adorable and makes me think they have very similar personalities.  Like, she starts out a battle with the cutest giggle and she'll say things like "oh look, they try so hard"- reminds me of Zevran's "bravo, good swing."  So I was thinking about ejoslin's image of the noise complaints consisting not just of monkey sex (hehe) but of laughter and fun over that bottle of wine next to the Warden's bedroll.  They are not in the tent and won't be for a while, so that is definitely the basis of their developing relationship now.

Heh, he's not doing it here but I have several screens also of Zevran staring at her in Orzammar.  For some reason I noticed it there and not other places.  Is there actual AI that does that, as a romance partner's approval goes up?  Anyway, it makes the "do you stare at everyone like that" line quite appropriate.  (I suppose it doesn't hurt that the Chasind obviously worked a push-up bra into their female robes. LOL)

Modifié par Addai67, 21 février 2010 - 07:51 .

[Cuddlezarro]

I understand why he couldn't just run away, since Wynne explained to me later about the vial of blood the Templars take that allows them to track the mage anywhere.

the chantry can only track a mage if they have said vial of blood... jowan kind of destroyed his before he broke out of the circle tower

[Addai]

Some new lines of Zevran's that I noticed...

When you ask him about Antiva, if you ask him if he doesn't like Ferelden, he makes the comment that Fereldans don't know the difference between an assassin and a mere killer. He might be trying to justify, but I thought it an interesting comment nonetheless.

Also, upthread someone was asking about the bashing skulls comment, right? HNF got that at the post-coronation, with Zevran at friendly. It's if you ask him if the Crows will come after him. He answers something like, "Eventually. I will stand by and mock them while you bash their skulls. It's the sort of thing our friendship was built on, yes?"

Modifié par Addai67, 21 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[EccentricSage]

Gah! Then I really really wish they'd give the PC a chance to help him escape to freedom. ;_; I mean, hell... we could lie about conscription to get him out of there, then simply claim he didn't survive. It's true his life wouldn't be easy, but he'd be free. And if he would choose to travel with the Warden, we'd protect him. *sigh*



Oh, I think I remember that bit of convo. It certainly gave my Dalish something to think about. I can see where he's coming from. What with the fact that he's doing it to survive, and he believes in a clean kill, and all that. It's a harsh dose of reality, but I can understand that pride he holds in what he is.

[Sabriana]

I agree that Jowan should have a chance. The whole 'tranquil' thing is worse than death to him, imo.

@Addai

I see you have Sten in the same armor that I do. Zevran is in 'Shadow Armor', it's a mod, but it's not really 'über', and costs a mint. It is however, very good armor, and especially for rogues. But in my game(s) Zevran is the only one who gets it. It's just too expensive. My rogue makes due with the drake armor (Leliana gets the lower drake armor), or, if she is lucky enough, my PC has enough money to purchase the "Shadow of the Empire" from the dwarf merchant. Then Leliana gets the better drake armor and my PC wears the "Empire" armor.

I have to try for a screenshot next time. I'm gearing up for the dwarf origin, and from what I read, I'll try the casteless first. I'm actually quite exited about the different dialogue options for her.

His comments about Ferelden are sweet, imo. He tries to not insult my PC's home, is what I get from that. "It's well enough for all its dogs and mud. The people are spirited, even though they can't tell an assassin from a mere killer." I always wondered who that last bit was aimed at, though

I wonder how it will feel like playing a dwarf. I hope I don't get stuck like I did with my Dalish elf. I like her well enough, but she's on ice, simply because I have no idea what to do with her. I prefer human females as PC's, I guess because I can relate to them best, and have little difficulties developing them as they move through the game. Time to break that rut, I guess. Now I need to come up with a good dwarf name for her.

I am looking forward to seeing the origin. So far, my humans have only read Rica's letter, and freed Leske from his cell. Seeing the other dwarf dead, always broke my heart, because she/he must be the dwarf origin PC possibility.

[Ramante]

Addai67 wrote...

Zevran squee screenie of the evening:

Most beautiful armor in the game ever!
My Warden never wears it, I always give it to the one I'm romancing. Zevran (or Alistair) looks incredibly hot in it.

[Sabriana]

It never even occurred to me to stick Zevran into heavier than light armor. He does look good, though. What armor is it?

[Ramante]

Sabriana wrote...

It never even occurred to me to stick Zevran into heavier than light armor. He does look good, though. What armor is it?

The Ancient Elven Armor Set.
It is also one of the few armor sets who look really good on a female Warden.

I'm getting really tired of the Lelianna and Zevran thing... I decided this playthrough to romance Zevran (first time) and not Alistair. The best way to do that is not to talk to Alistair at all (works pretty well). I only forgot to not talk to Lelianna. Normally I play as a rogue so I don't talk to her, but this time she is my rogue since I'm playing as a mage... So I don't talk to her a lot but taking her everywhere gives pretty good approval.
I told her like 3 times I only wanted to be friends but for some reason Wynne starts giving me the 'You're quite taken with eachother' talk where I can choose Zevran or Lelianna. Zevran also started asking questions about her... Is it just me or can't take that girl no for an answer?

[Sabriana]

It's not just you. My HN had to tell her three times in one play-through to get off her back. She never even picked anything that could remotely lead Leliana into believing they were ever going to be more than friends. In her desperation, my HN was even rude at times, but Leliana still fell in love - again.

My PC was quite shocked when Zevran told her that she had to make a choice between him and Leliana. She had no idea that Leliana was in a romance with her.

Leliana is like a ninja with her loving. You'll never know what hit you.

So, welcome to the "Lelianna for the last time, git off me" club.

[ejoslin]

Sresla wrote...

Pretty sure it was posted somewhere that Jowan was originally destined to become another companion but they ended up writing it out (I don't remember the reason, too many mages maybe? But if that's the case, why do we get access to 50 million warriors!) My mage is good friends with Jowan and although he came close to betraying him to the First Enchanter, he did not. But, I don't think he would have conscripted him, either, seeing as how my character has a lot of empathy regarding the desire to leave the Circle behind and the Grey Wardens are still a prison in a sense (just as Zevran says about the Crows - it's a cage, if a gilded one).

Edit: And yes, it also sucks you can never bargain for his freedom once he says he'll help with the ritual, even if he's the one going into the Fade - you'd think that'd count for SOMETHING.

You CAN free Jowan.  Tell Bann Teagan he needs to be executed and that you want to do it yourself.  Bann Teagan agrees and when you go down, you can set him free.

[CalJones]

Oooh I didn't know that, I'll have to try that one myself.

I always thought it was sad that you couldn't conscript him (as you do with Sten) - if you play a mage origin then knowing you'll be sending him back to the Circle to be, most likely, forcibly tranquilled, is just horrible. I couldn't do that to a friend, even if he had betrayed me.