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[Sabriana]

Are there any consequences (other than maybe or maybe not getting the bugged "Jowan" quest)?

[ejoslin]

ES -- I think you may end up being a bit surprised and disappointed at what Zevran approves of and what he comments on! He is very practical, and does not have patience for the weak. He most definitely is not a sympathetic sounding board. For instance, in Orzammar, if you've done the dwarven noble origin, Bhelen destroyed your life -- he's the reason you're now a grey warden. But if you want to support Harrowmont because of this and tell Zevran that, he is completely unsympathetic.

The only really personal comment he makes regarding any origin (well, aside from mocking Cullen) is in the city elf origin, and that is because he learns something that affects him personally (as you may have read already).

Zevran's compassion does show itself at amazing times, but it seems to be more directed at the helpless. He does have more sympathy for elves though he claims not to.

Anyway, more coffee is needed.

Edit: Wynne . . . is my least favorite of the companions.  I keep her for one comment only.  I really liked her my first play through, found her a little annoying my second, and downright disliked her by the end of the third.  I got her "camp talk" after defiling the ashes, and I actually had to reload several times to believe her dialog.  SO from then on I started taking less kissup comments with her, and saw her nasty and rude, sanctimonious side.  And I never pick rude responses.  

But Wynne has her own thread devoted to people who don't like her!

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 01:40 .

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Are there any consequences (other than maybe or maybe not getting the bugged "Jowan" quest)?

I have no clue.  I never actually set him free there -- my city elf still enjoyed killing human men at that point . . . 

[Sabriana]

What? Are you telling me I have to find out for myself? The nerve.....

[ejoslin]

*grin* Sorry. I was all into "kill all human men" in that game (Alistair and Kallien were not close friends at all), and when the option came up to execute Jowan, I was happy! I was also really surprised that Bann Teagan allowed me to go to the dungeons alone, especially after what I did to Redcliff.



Ferelden ended up a darker place in that play through.

[Sabriana]

Ah, Redcliffe. I would really like hearing what Teagan has to say to PC if she deserted the town, but I can't bring myself to do that. Imagine, being afraid of a pixel person's wrath, lol. What a game.

I'm looking forward to my Casteless Dwarf. I wonder how she will react to, well, just about everything. I'm assuming she never left Orzammar, and top-side would be everything new.

[mousestalker]

Sabriana wrote...

Ah, Redcliffe. I would really like hearing what Teagan has to say to PC if she deserted the town, but I can't bring myself to do that. Imagine, being afraid of a pixel person's wrath, lol. What a game.
I'm looking forward to my Casteless Dwarf. I wonder how she will react to, well, just about everything. I'm assuming she never left Orzammar, and top-side would be everything new.

My Commoner Dwarf wound up being the perkiest DA:O character to date. She wound up with Zevran, didn't take either humans or elves too seriously. She was glad to be away from Orzammar but still worried about her family (Mom's a piece of work in that origin). The origin is so bleak in the beginning that just about anywhere is better. And while returning to Orzammar wasn't a joy ride, it was a great story.

[Reaverwind]

ejoslin wrote...

ES -- I think you may end up being a bit surprised and disappointed at what Zevran approves of and what he comments on! He is very practical, and does not have patience for the weak. He most definitely is not a sympathetic sounding board. For instance, in Orzammar, if you've done the dwarven noble origin, Bhelen destroyed your life -- he's the reason you're now a grey warden. But if you want to support Harrowmont because of this and tell Zevran that, he is completely unsympathetic.

The only really personal comment he makes regarding any origin (well, aside from mocking Cullen) is in the city elf origin, and that is because he learns something that affects him personally (as you may have read already).

Zevran's compassion does show itself at amazing times, but it seems to be more directed at the helpless. He does have more sympathy for elves though he claims not to.

Anyway, more coffee is needed.

Edit: Wynne . . . is my least favorite of the companions.  I keep her for one comment only.  I really liked her my first play through, found her a little annoying my second, and downright disliked her by the end of the third.  I got her "camp talk" after defiling the ashes, and I actually had to reload several times to believe her dialog.  SO from then on I started taking less kissup comments with her, and saw her nasty and rude, sanctimonious side.  And I never pick rude responses.  

But Wynne has her own thread devoted to people who don't like her!

Yes, Zevran's compassion is definitely directed at the helpless, and he is very pragmatic - the shocker for me was learning he wasn't cold-blooded, either.

I actually liked Wynne when playing my HN, though she got  to be a bit much at the end. However, that changed when I took a mage through and her hypocrisy on multiple fronts became apparent. The Guardian absolutely pegs her on the "spouting platitudes" bit.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 21 février 2010 - 02:30 .

[ejoslin]

My HNs are always such free spirits. She tells Fergus that she has three lovers, tries to set up a three way for her evening entertainment but gets stuck with Dairrin as Iona won't play (wow, Dairrin is obviously gay in the HNM -- that surprised me actually because he seemed just more snobby in the HNF). She even tells Iona how attractive she finds elves (yes, she's horrible). Alistair is way too prissy for her, and the elf makes for some fun until she falls in love with him!

Actually, my HNs are the only characters I have that go to the tent with Zevran as soon as he's willing. I just can't help but play them as spoiled and fiercely independent pleasure seekers.

Edit: I like the dwarf casteless origin the best.  It is true that they have absolutely nothing, except Rica.  Mine is also very pragmatic -- she just does what is needed to survive.  But she's also smart, funny, and easy going.  A survivor.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 03:55 .

[highcastle]

ejoslin wrote...

My HNs are always such free spirits. She tells Fergus that she has three lovers, tries to set up a three way for her evening entertainment but gets stuck with Dairrin as Iona won't play (wow, Dairrin is obviously gay in the HNM -- that surprised me actually because he seemed just more snobby in the HNF). She even tells Iona how attractive she finds elves (yes, she's horrible). Alistair is way to prissy for her, and the elf makes for some fun until she falls in love with him!

The first time I did the HN origin it was with a male character. I was surprised (pleasantly) by how blatantly Dairren comes onto you, and that's when I decided to RP a gay warden (who of course later romanced Zev). I just recently did the origin with a female character, and found Dairren was quite different. Very curious.

[Sabriana]

Hah, the multitude of ways to play are astonishing. Only one of my HN went to the tent early. My avatar should be ashamed of herself.

My bestest girl ever even declined when asked (although he didn't have to wait all that much longer before she succumbed).
My PTSD rogue accepted when Zevran invited her, or better said, invited himself into her tent.

I'm starting to really look forward to my CD-girl. Mousestalker says the origin is a bit bleak. I hope I don't get too heart-broken for my dwarf-girl.

Edited to add: I have to try that one. It's only in the origin, so I should have no boredom problems then. My PCs are all female, and my HN were kinda put off by his mother trying to marry them off. It didn't stop them from inviting him over though

Modifié par Sabriana, 21 février 2010 - 02:55 .

[mousestalker]

It's a great origin! If you can remember being fourteen or fifteen when you wanted to tell the whole world exactly how mean they were and what you thought about them for being that way? You get your chance to do just that.

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...
You CAN free Jowan.  Tell Bann Teagan he needs to be executed and that you want to do it yourself.  Bann Teagan agrees and when you go down, you can set him free.

Hmm... (I know you said you didn't do this yourself but...) Are you sure?  I was running through those options after you volunteer to kill him yourself, and if you change your mind, IIRC Jowan just says he'll wait for Eamon's decision.   I could have missed a turn somewhere, but I had to assume that if you set him free THEN, the Redcliffe knights might catch him immediately.

For that matter, not having his phylactery didn't stop a templar from catching him, as you learn much later before the Landsmeet!


More on-topic... XD;;  Zevran looks hot in that Ancient Elven Armor!  I never thought to give it to him (it's so weak by the time I get the whole set :/ ).

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
You CAN free Jowan.  Tell Bann Teagan he needs to be executed and that you want to do it yourself.  Bann Teagan agrees and when you go down, you can set him free.

Hmm... (I know you said you didn't do this yourself but...) Are you sure?  I was running through those options after you volunteer to kill him yourself, and if you change your mind, IIRC Jowan just says he'll wait for Eamon's decision.   I could have missed a turn somewhere, but I had to assume that if you set him free THEN, the Redcliffe knights might catch him immediately.

For that matter, not having his phylactery didn't stop a templar from catching him, as you learn much later before the Landsmeet!


More on-topic... XD;;  Zevran looks hot in that Ancient Elven Armor!  I never thought to give it to him (it's so weak by the time I get the whole set :/ ).

Am I positive?  I wouldn't put major money on it, but I'd put a small bet down.  It's after everything goes down, when Jowan is back in his cell.  You can talk to Bann Teagan about it still (you have to go back to him), and tell him you think Jowan deserves to be executed and volunteer to do it yourself.  You can then go down to the dungeon, and I do remember just releasing him being an option.  

[Sabriana]

mousestalker wrote...

It's a great origin! If you can remember being fourteen or fifteen when you wanted to tell the whole world exactly how mean they were and what you thought about them for being that way? You get your chance to do just that.

Great! Now I'm really looking forward to it. As soon as I get home my as of yet nameless dwarf-girl will get her chance. I can try the Redcliffe/free Jowan thing out then. I don't know whether my dwarf will want to set him free, but judging by Dagna, dwarfs don't see magic as a threat.

Well, if it doesn't feel right, I'll just reload.

Good, more Zevran goodness on the way, and I get to see the dwarf-kiss. He is just so expressive, the designers and the VA did such good work.

I still get chills going up my spine in Haven. The way he looks at the altar, and the way he says "The Crows sometimes do blood sacrifices, it gives them incredible strength" is chilling to the core. I wish my PC could quiz him about that.

[EccentricSage]

lol My Human Noble is hedonistic, too. XD He tried the same thing. *sigh* In the name of conquest! A dutiful noble has to get his jollies somehow! Though mine is a very grim fellow.

Was only curious, really. I never know when he'll be verbal about things... he's so random sometimes. Orzamar is quite the wonderous place, and forests are too dirty for him. lol'

Mmmmm... A pragmatist AND has a soft spot for the helpless and downtroden... You don't meet enough of those IRL ether. I'm looking forward to the Dwarven origins... Even though one mission in the deep roads was all the deep roads I felt I needed to see. But the politics seem interesting. My Dalish chose to back Bhelen... because Orzamar needed trade and warriors more than anything... but I'm super curious about what Bhelen did. I have a feeling I'm going to get a kick in the gut. From the outsider's POV, it seems like Bhelen will bring more resources and firmer leadership, and as much as I HATE 'trickle down economics', lets face it, it's all the casteless have, and neither candidate was making any promises to help them directly.


OK, I totally need to try that for trick to free Jowan next time... I'll check to see if it's still possible in this playthrough as well.

Sabriana wrote...


I still get chills going up my
spine in Haven. The way he looks at the altar, and the way he says "The
Crows sometimes do blood sacrifices, it gives them incredible strength"
is chilling to the core. I wish my PC could quiz him about that.

Woah...! I had him with... How did I miss that?    Oh well... future playthroughs...

Modifié par EccentricSage, 21 février 2010 - 03:33 .

[ejoslin]

You actually already know the Dwarf noble story, if you read the codexes in Orzammar. Bhelen had two older siblings -- Trian is the oldest, the dwarf noble is the middle. So you get that side. Also, Bhelen . . . he has personal reasons for doing what he does. One of the town criers announces his impending wedding to a casteless woman.



Orzammar does highlight just how good Zevran's advice is!

[Sabriana]

ES, that altar is not in the Chantry, it's in the house across from the town guard.

The guy who tells you to get lost.
It's not clickable, you have to approach it to trigger that cut-scene.

Edited to try an be a bit clearer. The altar is not clickable, the house, of course, is.

Modifié par Sabriana, 21 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[ejoslin]

So of course I started a new casteless dwarf, since my others were warriors and I need a break. I hate this, "Where to go first," decision. I think the gauntlet. We already know there are problems in Redcliff, and we need to seek out some knights and get some answers! *sigh* I still wonder if it is possible to make a "Zevran after Lothering" mod. I can't run the toolset on my computer, unfortunately (grrrrrr) and my husband would be more than annoyed if I installed it on his.  It probably would be massively difficult to move the cutscenes around though, if it's possible at all.

Bann Teagan really is something, though. Talk about sexy at the landsmeet when he's telling off Loghain.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 04:33 .

[Sabriana]

I just got home, so it's game time. Why do Sundays have to go by so quickly? It's almost 6 p.m. I call shenanigans.

I wonder how long I can keep up the pretense of being concerned about where to start. I usually start at Redcliffe anyways, so I'm fooling no one, not even myself. I want my dwarf to see his reactions in Haven and the Gauntlet, so she can draw some early conclusions.

I'm with you, Ejoslin. The toolset won't run on my computer either, more's the bummer. Starting Zevran after Lothering would make sense, if there was not option to kill the soldiers. My PCs always send the dude home with a message for Loghain.

[ejoslin]

I like Zevran in redcliff is the problem, and I can see him and my casteless intimidating people there. The gauntlet, though I love his reaction there as well, since my character IS going to romance him, if I do it closer to the end, I'll know all about his regrets anyway. Those games I hold off on the romance, I make sure Zevran goes to the gauntlet. Weird how my characters don't know nearly as much as *I* do.



Another weird thing, this may be the first time I ever roleplay my character as a virgin. Not in a sweet-innocent way. But her sister was a w**** so she wouldn't have to be, and she could not really afford to be thought of as anything but a skull-******, and since everyone seems to know each other in dust town, if she WAS having sex, she would most likely have to become a prostitute as well. She and Leske were best friends (though Leske made it clear ANY time baby). It doesn't matter much, really. Just a thought that she didn't have the luxury of having that kind of fun.



I also think she's the youngest of the origins, though. I put her at about 17 or 18, tops, possibly younger. Her sister is still very young, but enough older that she was the one who basically raised her.

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...

So of course I started a new casteless dwarf, since my others were warriors and I need a break. I hate this, "Where to go first," decision. I think the gauntlet. We already know there are problems in Redcliff, and we need to seek out some knights and get some answers! *sigh* I still wonder if it is possible to make a "Zevran after Lothering" mod. I can't run the toolset on my computer, unfortunately (grrrrrr) and my husband would be more than annoyed if I installed it on his.  It probably would be massively difficult to move the cutscenes around though, if it's possible at all.

Bann Teagan really is something, though. Talk about sexy at the landsmeet when he's telling off Loghain.

I'm thinking it might not involve moving the cutscenes -- it might be as "simple" as setting a flag (like, "1 quest completed").  As soon as that condition is met, wham, Zevran cutscene next time you travel.   The trick might just be, setting that flag once you step out of Lothering.

Buuuut I have little idea what I'm talking about, besides reading some mod threads. XD;  

::off to try freeing Jowan -- it's driving me crazy! ::

[Sabriana]

That's an idea, Jenovan. Your suggestion and snoop around the mod threads a bit. Perhaps it is that easy. Can't hurt to sniff around and/or ask.

Good luck with Jowan. I hope it works, because I don't think sending the poor dude back to the Chantry is merciful in any way, shape, or form.

[Ramante]

jenovan wrote...

More on-topic... XD;;  Zevran looks hot in that Ancient Elven Armor!  I never thought to give it to him (it's so weak by the time I get the whole set :/ ).

Almost everyone looks really hot in that armor (don't know about Sten, never tried it).

I replayed that massage conversation 4 times today... I simply melt when Zevran says 'Then why are we still talking?'.  o.o'

New playthrough, I took Zevran to get Shale... I couldn't stop laughing after this one.
Shale: "Order me to do something."
Warden: "Give Zevran a hug."
Zevran: "Now, now. I don't care much for foreign objects invading my personal space. Well... usually."

Modifié par Ramante, 21 février 2010 - 05:43 .

[Addai]

jenovan wrote...

More on-topic... XD;;  Zevran looks hot in that Ancient Elven Armor!  I never thought to give it to him (it's so weak by the time I get the whole set :/ ).

Did you see my screenshot up above?    I decided to put him in it for the final battle with my HNF character and I agree, I think he looks very handsome in it.  We were a handsome bunch, in fact, my character in Varathorn's armor, Alistair in Cailan's armor and, well, Morrigan in her witch robes (but there is nothing to be done about mage's clothing in the game).

I always call the Dalish out for the final battle, and with Zevran there in that ancient elven armor it was a great image to see him fighting alongside the king and queen with the other elves.  My HNF-Alistair ruling pair will definitely be "elf friends."  Not only do we have the alienage bann on the ruling council, but the court assassin also being an elf, naturally!  And as soon as my HNF can connive to have Wynne removed from court (Alistair sprung it on her that Wynne was to be court mage), maybe she'll bring in an elf for that, too.  Aneirin, perhaps. 

Modifié par Addai67, 21 février 2010 - 06:01 .