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[Charsen]

Arundor wrote...

I like CZ's image the best but I think this one is neat too:

i seriously gotta find this dude and sign-harass him too:bandit:

[Sarah1281]

Charsen wrote...

Arundor wrote...

I like CZ's image the best but I think this one is neat too:

i seriously gotta find this dude and sign-harass him too:bandit:

I have to wonder: if the people holding up the first sign aren't in on it then why do they always stand there long enough for a picture? Even if they couldn't see what was on the sign why would'nt they move out of the way so that their sign could be seen? 

And yay, page 1300.

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

This is one of the few pictures I've ever seen that comes close to capturing him.  The face that is all angles except the sensuous mouth.  I think most pictures make him way too girly -- the masculine lines of the face are softened too much.  Even this one, the skin is far smoother than it is in the game, but the artist did at least include the deep lines between his eyes.

What I find interesting about vanilla Zevran is his skin, really.  He's got deep lines, some are possibly scars, and he has at least one light, wide scar on a cheek -- yet it's so subtle. 

Edit: My guess is with the pictures is it was done quickly.  It's too bad that this crap still goes on -- why people feel the need to picket someone's sexuality is beyond my comprehension.  These are people who COULD be out doing something constructive, but instead spread bigotry.

Ok, off my soapbox!

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 juin 2010 - 11:47 .

[Arundor]

Yay, congratulations on page 1300.

[EnchantedEyes1]

Just stopped in to view my favorite thread and was rewarded by these ^ lovely pics of Zevran

My Senara Aeducan finally got her dwarf kiss after dumping Alistair at the Landsmeet for Loghain. Waiting to initiate the romance with Zevran later in the game was tough but incredibly satisfying. Thanks to everyone who posted their dwarf kisses - it really helped me wait until it was "right."

[Charsen]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I have to wonder: if the people holding up the first sign aren't in on it then why do they always stand there long enough for a picture? Even if they couldn't see what was on the sign why would'nt they move out of the way so that their sign could be seen? 

And yay, page 1300.

well, cuz they are really stupid. that's the easy answer.
the other answer is that they stand there so long, they get a lot of pro support too. people randomly join in with similar signs in bigger cities. the same tactic is used for other anti-rights groups who use signs. 

Similar lulzy protest not img linking due to the disgusting hate speech on the sign.

and now for something completely suggestive and back to Zevran :innocent:




congrats on 1300 =)

Modifié par Charsen, 14 juin 2010 - 04:45 .

[ejoslin]

Edit: Sometimes a post is just a really bad idea and can't be editing into something good.  G'night all!

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 juin 2010 - 05:18 .

[Minaleth]

That's weird question about nature of images in this thread. I suppose people post/link what they like Simple as that.
I link only fanart that I like and there is not lot of that, + what is the point in posting more than once? As for screenshots what was said is imo right - you can have the same scene ingame, we don't play that much and stuff. Linking own stuff is sometimes the only way to get it posted. E.g I do not post fanart anywhere but here.
Anyway I highly enjoy any images that people put in here including CZ's screenshots for games I haven't played. *shrug*

Edit: I also think that posting own stuff (like fanart, mod screens and things like that) is level higher than just regular ingame screenshots (which are also awesome). This is actually something I like about this thread, we have a lot of author stuff. <3

Modifié par Minaleth, 14 juin 2010 - 06:32 .

[Minaleth]

by queenofthecrows


also some sketches by NKarlie
Zev and PC sketches 1
Zev sketches 1

Modifié par Minaleth, 14 juin 2010 - 06:45 .

[Sannox]

I really like seeing the artwork people from the thread have done themselves. I agree with Soignee that we all have our own Zevrans, and maybe it's because I feel I know people here that their Zevran art is more interesting. One thing I've really loved is when people have posted their work as it progresses.

I'm not playing DA as much I used to. I made too many alts, which doesn't help, but I'm bored with bits of it. I love the bits that are story and dialogue. I get bored with fighting through the same old places. I thought there would be a lot of replay value because of the different choices you can make, but these days I don't feel that the choices are so momentous or the consequences so great. I haven't entirely stopped playing, but some of the magic has gone, if I'm honest.

ETA: Pictures of Zevran's tattoos - I always imagine something completely different!

Modifié par Sannox, 14 juin 2010 - 08:07 .

[Aroihkin]

*drops some more kmeme, this one is Zevran/Tannusen*

Scarlet Switch

Tannusen Surana has been tense for weeks. Zevran scents blood in the water and closes in.

(The OP wanted Dom!Zevran. I think they got him.)

I'm sort of slowly working on an art for this one, but worry a little that shirtless Tannusen with his wrists shackled over his head in the same frame as a fully-clothed Zevran will offend someone. I'm sure at least the finished version will get posted here anyway.

I have another larger image idea for DA-Tannu and a random Templar and Zevran, but haven't figured out precisely how I'll pose everyone. So it's on percolate while I work on all this other stuff, lol...

Modifié par Aroihkin, 14 juin 2010 - 10:32 .

[soignee]

Sannox wrote...



ETA: Pictures of Zevran's tattoos - I always imagine something completely different!

I really should take that on and do it. I've just finished Missa's tattoos (nsfw offsite link due to naked Missa) and will try to get my head around what Crow tattoos are like. (His tattoos are part vanity part crow markings, imo- nothing to do with Antivan Dalish despite his heritage.)


ETA: Yeah I rarely play this game now, I just write about the story aspect. I have toolset for dialogue and just listen/read to it there if I need to.

Modifié par soignee, 14 juin 2010 - 10:34 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Charsen wrote...

Arundor wrote...

I like CZ's image the best but I think this one is neat too:

i seriously gotta find this dude and sign-harass him too:bandit:

I have to wonder: if the people holding up the first sign aren't in on it then why do they always stand there long enough for a picture? Even if they couldn't see what was on the sign why would'nt they move out of the way so that their sign could be seen? 

And yay, page 1300.

People who go around with such banners aren't the brightest of people you know...

[Aroihkin]

I still play DA! Just not often. I spam with screens when I do, usually, even though it's all sh*t everyone's seen, but in better resolution and graphics settings than my screenshots.

And I never seem to get far with an alt before starting someone else. Which is silly, because dear god do I hate Ostagaaaaaaaar. Man.

As for Zevran's tattoos, personally... I'm trying to avoid drawing them. I think no matter who draws them, it's going to not match for half the people who see them. And honestly, I don't have a solid mental image myself. I see most art and go "Yeah, that would work!" and move on. Open to interpretation, his ink is.

I have no doubt I'll have to sit down and draw a version for my own use, but it's not like that will be the One True Design in my head even then. I'd just do it so my own stuff is consistent with itself, aaaand that's about it.

[Tellervo]

Kaioku managed the "one true design" for me. There's a lot more ink in there than I would've imagined, but once I saw the finished product? It's far too appropriate in my mind.

[tmp7704]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm going to go do that then:

Ooh, really nice.  The cool thing about artwork posting, lets me find galleries of people i wouldn't really find otherwise (too lazy/not enough time for casual DA browsing)

[Aroihkin]

Tellervo wrote...

Kaioku managed the "one true design" for me. There's a lot more ink in there than I would've imagined, but once I saw the finished product? It's far too appropriate in my mind.

Oh definitely, those back/shoulderblade wings are badass~



Edit: I used to post a lot of other people's fanart. And then the harsh crit on the pieces -- even though the artist/their friends could be lurking and didn't post the picture themselves! -- made me rage a lot. So I kind of stopped.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 14 juin 2010 - 12:58 .

[jenovan]

Aroihkin wrote...

As for Zevran's tattoos, personally... I'm trying to avoid drawing them. I think no matter who draws them, it's going to not match for half the people who see them. And honestly, I don't have a solid mental image myself. I see most art and go "Yeah, that would work!" and move on. Open to interpretation, his ink is.

I have no doubt I'll have to sit down and draw a version for my own use, but it's not like that will be the One True Design in my head even then. I'd just do it so my own stuff is consistent with itself, aaaand that's about it.

Pretty much my feelings on the whole matter, too. Except I can't draw, so figuring them out for myself is a non-trivial task.  I feel like I should have some specific image in mind, though, for the sake of description, and I haven't found one to hang on to yet.

Heeey while we're on the topic of tats, this crossed my mind this morning: apparently Zev's tattoos, at least, are in part a Crow thing.  I don't remember if it actually said explicitly in game or not if most/all Crows had tattoos, or if it simply said that some of Zev's tattoos were Crow symbols... do we have information on the former?

If many/most Crows had tattoos, wouldn't it make them stand out perhaps a bit too much?  Even if their tats were covered by normal clothing/armor, if they were going the seduction route, clothes would probably come off some time...  Perhaps tattoos aren't remarkably uncommon in Antiva?  Or perhaps blowing one's cover as a Crow simply didn't matter, for any number of reasons?

As a sort of example scenario, take Isabela (please! *rimshot*).  She was obviously having a physical relationship with Zev, but apparently? didn't expect him to kill her husband.  Did she not realize he was a Crow?  Or did she know and didn't think he was with her for some job-related reason? That seems overly naive...

/early morning thoughts

[tmp7704]

Aroihkin wrote...

Edit: I used to post a lot of other people's fanart. And then the harsh crit on the pieces -- even though the artist/their friends could be lurking and didn't post the picture themselves! -- made me rage a lot. So I kind of stopped.

Hmm yeah can see how it'd cause such effect. Unfortunate, and would think the critique would work better if posted on author's page or better yet, in their PMs. Oh well.

[soignee]

Aroihkin wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

Kaioku managed the "one true design" for me. There's a lot more ink in there than I would've imagined, but once I saw the finished product? It's far too appropriate in my mind.

Oh definitely, those back/shoulderblade wings are badass~



Edit: I used to post a lot of other people's fanart. And then the harsh crit on the pieces -- even though the artist/their friends could be lurking and didn't post the picture themselves! -- made me rage a lot. So I kind of stopped.

Since I have a boss that tells me weekly THES IS SHEET, DO EET AGAIN in some form or another, I'm used to abuse hurled at my work. "What ees this flower? it looks like something spattered on the road. Do eet again," was today's feedback. *thumbs up* thanks boss!

Before that I went to a college where "crits" meant you repesented your work to a group of judges- visiting lecturers, teachers, etc- as well as the whole class and anyone else who wandered into the department to gawk at you. Mannnnn nothing like someone ripping apart your stuff in front of an audience, amirite?

You have to develop tougher skin if you're posting on the internets. Especially artwork. I understand the fragility and ego tied to it; especially if there's been a bit of a block recently and the last thing you want to hear is "the perspective is wrong" or "their face is weird."

I know my style doesn't suit fanart at alllllll (fashion illustrations, yes; computer game characters, no) but I do it anyway because what's the point of it festering on my harddrive? As my lecturer once said to me about wanting a career in fashion- "there's no such thing as being quietly talented in the corner hoping someone will discover you. You have to shout, and loudly."  It's true!

I hate stony silence more then any sort of feedback, to be honest.

Hmm, I think I might be waffling again. Deliciouuussssss wafffffffffflessss.

[tmp7704]

soignee wrote...

You have to develop tougher skin if you're posting on the internets. Especially artwork. I understand the fragility and ego tied to it; especially if there's been a bit of a block recently and the last thing you want to hear is "the perspective is wrong" or "their face is weird."

I mostly just think it's pointless to post the critique where the author isn't likely to see it (because they aren't aware their stuff was posted somewhere) and doing it in public while it can be perfectly well done in private also seems to have no benefit for the author. When done in this manner (in public, on unrelated forum) it tends to become more of something done for the show and for cheap points scored with crowd of the onlookers, to demonstrate how cool and sophisticated the critic is... than actual help.

[soignee]

tmp7704 wrote...

soignee wrote...

You have to develop tougher skin if you're posting on the internets. Especially artwork. I understand the fragility and ego tied to it; especially if there's been a bit of a block recently and the last thing you want to hear is "the perspective is wrong" or "their face is weird."

I mostly just think it's pointless to post the critique where the author isn't likely to see it (because they aren't aware their stuff was posted somewhere) and doing it in public while it can be perfectly well done in private also seems to have no benefit for the author. When done in this manner (in public, on unrelated forum) it tends to become more of something done for the show and for cheap points scored with crowd of the onlookers, to demonstrate how cool and sophisticated the critic is... than actual help.

I agree with this, but you still have to roll with the punches. Your "art children" have fled the nest and are frollicing on the interbutts, you can't cushion everything. You can't stop it being posted somewhere or picked up -the lolwut pear by UrsulaV is a nice example of this, but usually yes it can also be in the form of what you mentioned above, but it's a good thing. It's out there, making a noise. Hurrah!

Okay, so I come from a very b*tchy industry, but the art/illustration/music is just as fecking vile and backbiting. Where there is creativity there is critique and opinions thereof.  Even something as harmless and cuddly as scrapbooking and cake baking contests will have an undertone of DID YOU SEE THAT? HOW AWFUL to it, whatever the professional level. Mannnn what I've heard from friends who work at the creative level in the gaming industry has made me cynically shrug in recognition at how they're treated, it's all the same.

Find your niche and trust the opinions of people who you know will critique you honestly, and just brush the dirt off when it comes your way. "Someone off the internets said that? LOLok."

Modifié par soignee, 14 juin 2010 - 01:37 .

[tmp7704]

soignee wrote...

I agree with this, but you still have to roll with the punches.

Ah totally, it's kind of the "when life hands you lemons" thing. Some of the critique is going to be genuine and some of it can be helpful to boot, and these two don't even necessarily overleap so it can be tricky to sort it out, but still better to try and sort it out than just dismiss if all automatically because it's just "someone on the intertubes said that, lol". Since it being intertubes you can rarely know if that person talking actually doesn't happen to be someone who does know what they're talking about.

[Aroihkin]

Soignee, no one whined at me for posting their stuff, if that's what you think. I just find it personally distasteful when people here go off on Random Person's art of Zevran. FFS, it's not their job to draw fanart for the character we all ostensibly like; they're not getting paid for it. And they didn't post it here for the peanut gallery, they posted it on deviantart.

No one during these little sessions even goes and offers suggestions or anything on the artist's page or wherever the link goes to. Nope, it's all done in our little clubhouse on the internets.

True story? I almost didn't join this thread because I saw a bunch of bashing of fanfic in general before I de-lurked. I decided to wander in anyway, but only because of the rest of the time the thread seemed cool.

It also really strongly makes me wonder what people in this thread would say about my LOLOL MSPaint if I wasn't a regular here.

...And you know, I've had jobs where it was reasonably customary to stand two inches from the other person's face and yell at them over the jet engines and earplugs what the eff they thought they were doing with that effing belt-loader. It doesn't mean I go all drill-sergeant/Rampy on the internets, now does it? I actually go out of my way to not be a dick, in fact.

tmp7704 wrote...

I mostly just think it's pointless to post the critique where the author isn't likely to see it (because they aren't aware their stuff was posted somewhere) and doing it in public while it can be perfectly well done in private also seems to have no benefit for the author. When done in this manner (in public, on unrelated forum) it tends to become more of something done for the show and for cheap points scored with crowd of the onlookers, to demonstrate how cool and sophisticated the critic is... than actual help.

This, thank you. It's not even usually constructive crit when I get irked on Random Stranger's behalf. It's the "eww, that looks like a girl!" and "omg, whyyy would anyone draw the tattoos like thaaaat" (random examples) that tick me off. On a public forum. God forbid they draw fanart if it's not spot-on perfect, I guess? You know, for Zevran.

And note... I never went off before. I made one comment here about why I for one don't really post other people's fanart anymore... and I think it's well within my right to not participate in something that just p*sses me off.

Etiquette, ffs. We're all supposedly fans of the same character, and Zevran could use more fanart and the like. Try not to scare off Random Artists who may not be expecting to eventually stumble in on a random thread where people are trashing their stuff...

[Sarah1281]

Sometimes people are just mean. That's why I hate the Dark Lord Potter forums so much...those people are REALLY mean, even to stories they like. They have a few of my stories up there and whenever I get tempted to wander over there and see what people have to say it ruins my will to write for, like, a week.