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[Creature 1]

Sannox wrote...

He doesn't say that he doesn't care what the warden does with the earring.   He's just saying that it's up to the warden what they do. (It does seem exactly the sort of thing that somebody might say if they wanted to give something special to somebody but know what they felt and didn't want them to feel obligated). 

If I had something of sentimental value and gave it to someone, I would be devastated to find they then threw it out or sold it for a buck at a yard sale.  You just don't give away important items unless you have some expectation the recipient will value them.  Zevran's saying that at all seems strange and conflicted.  It's almost as if he's confident of the Warden's reaction and their not wanting to get rid of it, and is more lying to himself about why he's giving it and minimizing its significance to himself.  The Warden's hurt feelings are collateral damage.  

[Tellervo]

Verly wrote...

it's nice to see the Zev thread so busy today. I'm not feeling well so that's why I'm here...what's wrong with the rest of you? you know...that is not usually wrong.

for the lulz

Makes the seals on my targa top stop leaking.  ::nods sagely::

[soignee]

Minaleth wrote...

soignee wrote...

WHERE IS MY WEDDING I DEMAND A WEDDING I WANT A CAKE WITH OGHREN COMING OUT OF IT AND A PRETTY DRESS >:|

Oh noes! I see tipsy Missa in a wedding dress dancing with Sten ... and 5 minutes later doing something really naughty just over the corner with her newlywed Zevran O.O Btw, do the guests have to eat the cake directly from Oghren?

I'm just lolling at the thought of Missa in one of those meringue type wedding dresses (you know the girl has no taste, and Rica would have to buy her a dress in the first place) dancing with Sten, that's a beautiful image.

Also you can pick out the armpit hair from the cake, it's all good:


of couuuuuuuuuuurse I had to post it. OF COURSE.

[Fangirl17]

Thanks for the advise guys. Hmm its a tough choice to wether I should take the earing or not. What are the benifits of turning it down? I read something about a proposal.how do I get him to do that?

[Minaleth]

Addai67 wrote...
 When he talks about the Antivan boots, he says he was planning to buy them when he got back.  But we know he never planned to get back.  Why does he tell the Warden that?  Is he trying to throw you off the trail because he's not ready to admit he was on a suicide mission?  Or did he think that about the boots because at heart he's a survivor/ optimist and it was a habit to think about the future?

I personally think it's true story. He saw the boots and thought he would love to have them, but a moment later he realized that that it's suicide mission so no boots anyway. When he is telling that to the Warden he says only half of the story that is relevant to this conversation. The suicide part comes later. But I might be also ridiculously wrong about this.

Modifié par Minaleth, 16 juin 2010 - 06:32 .

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

Sannox wrote...

He doesn't say that he doesn't care what the warden does with the earring.   He's just saying that it's up to the warden what they do. (It does seem exactly the sort of thing that somebody might say if they wanted to give something special to somebody but know what they felt and didn't want them to feel obligated).  

If I had something of sentimental value and gave it to someone, I would be devastated to find they then threw it out or sold it for a buck at a yard sale.  You just don't give away important items unless you have some expectation the recipient will value them.  Zevran's saying that at all seems strange and conflicted.  It's almost as if he's confident of the Warden's reaction and their not wanting to get rid of it, and is more lying to himself about why he's giving it and minimizing its significance to himself.  The Warden's hurt feelings are collateral damage.  

Heh, deleting my entire response because Creature 1 manages to say it all in one paragraph.  And far better than I did!

So ummm, I'll just quote her instead because I'm lame that way!

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 juin 2010 - 06:31 .

[ejoslin]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Thanks for the advise guys. Hmm its a tough choice to wether I should take the earing or not. What are the benifits of turning it down? I read something about a proposal.how do I get him to do that?

yes, we're sitting here debating the proposal.  HOW you get it depends on whether you're modding or not and what mods you use.  I'll assume you're not and are just using the vanilla game.

Turn down the earring the first time.
Invite him to your tent.
Ask him what's changed.
When he declares his feelings, make sure you DON'T pick the option, "I do, and I feel the same way," as this will lead to the conversation ending (ZevRing changes this).

Edit: I highly recommend my FAQ (last link in my signature).  It's spoilerish, but you can't get too much more spoilerish than this anyway!

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 juin 2010 - 06:33 .

[Fangirl17]

Okay what do I say instead of saying I feel the same way? Oh and yes Im on the console so no mods for me.

[ejoslin]

Either

I am no wiser than you in that area, Zevran.

or

Maybe it would be better for you if we stopped.



And bleh, sorry you're on the console Bugged gates dialog

[Tellervo]

ejoslin wrote...

I just see the conversation differently.  "Don't get the wrong idea" comes after the warden attaching meaning to the gift.  I don't see anything about not demanding anything, I see him telling the warden not to get the wrong idea about it, even if the warden is genuinely happy about receiving it.  It seems to me he's saying, "This does not mean what you just took it to mean."

I've said this before, I played the Warden's stoicism as the Warden not wanting to push too far, not wanting to scare Zevran off, and so letting him make all the first moves.  Then here he is making this grand gesture, finally getting his act together, then trying to play down it's importance.  He's discounting his own worth and the Warden's, in a way, and my Warden wanted to make very clear that such behavior would not fly.  He was tired of it, honestly, viewing that moment as a huge step backward for Zev, and sort of saw refusal as in Zevran's best interest, even if it resulted in the relationship ending.

[Nonvita]

soignee wrote...

haha I'm the same. Something about the Ali thread rubs me the wrong way though, idk what it is. Probably because it's too fast moving? Kind or reminds me of the time I stumbled into a private book club party and it consisted of giddy 30somethings in no way shape or form talking about books and I sort of edged out quietly, trying to find where I was meant to be instead.

I will occasionally poke the Morrigan thread as I love me some Morri, though it kind of feels like I'm wandering into one of those bars and everyone's slumped over the bar with their drinks muttering into their own misery. There may even be country played in the background to add to the dispair...

Oh mannnn now I'm imaging what all the threads are visually and it's lols. Dwarf thread it's required you wear some kind of anachonistic clothing, possibly a pipe and a velvet smoking jacket. Finest single malt whisky is served and we all sit around in leather armchairs discussing politics, or something.

Zev thread is a coffeeshop outside a piazza, watching the pretty things come and go.

I still have two pages to catch up on but just wanted to say this is the best post ever. Period.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

I resemble that.    I'm opinionated about Loghain because I have a strong opinion about his character in regards to my own gameplay, but could give a flying f*ck how other people play their game.  I figure we're in a forum, so people can exchange opinions in a civil manner and everyone gets their say, and to each his own and all that good crap.

Now, on to why I really came in here (I do lurk on occasion):  I am replaying HNF's game, and she is good friends with Zevran so I was paying attention to the dialogues with him last night and have a question to run by the Zevranites.  When he talks about the Antivan boots, he says he was planning to buy them when he got back.  But we know he never planned to get back.  Why does he tell the Warden that?  Is he trying to throw you off the trail because he's not ready to admit he was on a suicide mission?  Or did he think that about the boots because at heart he's a survivor/ optimist and it was a habit to think about the future?

I think Zevran is not full of self examination.  I don't think he was expecting to come home (obviously) but at the same time, I don't think he was openly acknowledging even to himself that he was going to die.  This conversation usually happens pretty early in the relationship as well -- it's one of the first conversations you can have with him.  When he's talking to the warden, he's homesick, he knows he can't go home; he'll never get those boots.

I think it's more, he was pretty sure he was going to die -- that was his goal.  But nothing in his life was certain.  If he didn't die, he'd go home and get the boots.  If he died, well, then no boots!  What he didn't expect was to be spared and given a chance at a new life.

[MorGothic]

Herr Uhl wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

Ramante wrote...

I stopped looking in the Ali-thread after MG found a disturbing conversation about cows.. it was something like;
Person A: 'How do you call a male cow?'
Person B: 'That would be a bull.'
Person A: 'So a bull is not a seperate species?'

I just died a little inside...again.

...really?

...yes.

This wasn't a troll post but a serious question, said person apparently didn't know that there are different breeds of cow and thought black and white cows were female and brown cows were male.

I'm done talking about it now, it's in the Ali thread somewhere if you can be bothered to look.

[Herr Uhl]

Nonvita wrote...

soignee wrote...

haha I'm the same. Something about the Ali thread rubs me the wrong way though, idk what it is. Probably because it's too fast moving? Kind or reminds me of the time I stumbled into a private book club party and it consisted of giddy 30somethings in no way shape or form talking about books and I sort of edged out quietly, trying to find where I was meant to be instead.

I will occasionally poke the Morrigan thread as I love me some Morri, though it kind of feels like I'm wandering into one of those bars and everyone's slumped over the bar with their drinks muttering into their own misery. There may even be country played in the background to add to the dispair...

Oh mannnn now I'm imaging what all the threads are visually and it's lols. Dwarf thread it's required you wear some kind of anachonistic clothing, possibly a pipe and a velvet smoking jacket. Finest single malt whisky is served and we all sit around in leather armchairs discussing politics, or something.

Zev thread is a coffeeshop outside a piazza, watching the pretty things come and go.

I still have two pages to catch up on but just wanted to say this is the best post ever. Period.

Hmm, didn't catch that one. Pretty much sums up my feelings on the threads. (with some exceptions)

And I very much like the mental image of people in leather armchairs puffing on pipes whilst watching dwarf porn and exclaiming "good show" and "quite fetching".

[Addai]

MorGothic wrote...

This wasn't a troll post but a serious question, said person apparently didn't know that there are different breeds of cow and thought black and white cows were female and brown cows were male.

I'm done talking about it now, it's in the Ali thread somewhere if you can be bothered to look.

Said person admitted she was tipsy at the time, we had a brief off-topic convo and laughed about it.  Are we really talking about the goofy off-topic conversations that happen in gush threads?  Because...

[sami jo]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

To be fair, most of the Ali Fans are decent and reasonable. There are a couple (I won't name names) who are either self-appointed moderators or The Knowers Of All Truths and are quite vocal. But most aren't like that.

Edit: Me, I can't quite figure out why people get that wound up over a single player game. It's like the trolls we get in here who think people will be upset if they kill Zevran in their game.  Ummm, no.  He's a fictional character with a great story.  But neither Zevran nor Alistair REALLY care if someone kills them, betrays them, whatever.  It's part of what makes the story so interesting, all the different ways you can play the warden and the different reactions you get from your companions.

I resemble that.    I'm opinionated about Loghain because I have a strong opinion about his character in regards to my own gameplay, but could give a flying f*ck how other people play their game.  I figure we're in a forum, so people can exchange opinions in a civil manner and everyone gets their say, and to each his own and all that good crap.

Now, on to why I really came in here (I do lurk on occasion):  I am replaying HNF's game, and she is good friends with Zevran so I was paying attention to the dialogues with him last night and have a question to run by the Zevranites.  When he talks about the Antivan boots, he says he was planning to buy them when he got back.  But we know he never planned to get back.  Why does he tell the Warden that?  Is he trying to throw you off the trail because he's not ready to admit he was on a suicide mission?  Or did he think that about the boots because at heart he's a survivor/ optimist and it was a habit to think about the future?

My take on it is that he didn't expect to survive his attack on the Warden (which is why he wouldn't let Taliesen come with him) but he is also a survivor at heart.  He feels unvalued by anyone--thus the death wish--but what he wants most is for someone to value him.  I think some part of him is thinking that if he manages to complete the hit that he will have proven his worth to his master.  I think it is that same survival instinct that kicks in when he doesn't die in the attack to ask the Warden if he can serve him/her.  If he isn't valued by anyone, he doesn't want to live (thus the betrayl during the Taliesen encounter if his approval is too low and you don't tell Taliesen that he is with you now).  This was attempted suicide by Warden, not attempted suicide by something he knew for certain would work such as poison.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

I think Zevran is not full of self examination.  I don't think he was expecting to come home (obviously) but at the same time, I don't think he was openly acknowledging even to himself that he was going to die.  This conversation usually happens pretty early in the relationship as well -- it's one of the first conversations you can have with him.  When he's talking to the warden, he's homesick, he knows he can't go home; he'll never get those boots.

I think it's more, he was pretty sure he was going to die -- that was his goal.  But nothing in his life was certain.  If he didn't die, he'd go home and get the boots.  If he died, well, then no boots!  What he didn't expect was to be spared and given a chance at a new life.

This is my thought.  Zevran is not into overthinking or introspection.  But I do sometimes feel in those early conversations that he is testing the Warden, like when he throws out stuff about the assassin life or asks whether they could see him doing anything else.  So I wondered what his mindset was in that convo, too.  He's just realizing that his suicide attempt failed, he woke up when he rather thought he would wake up dead, so he's thinking about a future he never thought he would have.  And like you said, realizing that Antiva is not in it anymore.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 juin 2010 - 06:58 .

[Charsen]

Nonvita wrote...

soignee wrote...

haha I'm the same. Something about the Ali thread rubs me the wrong way though, idk what it is. Probably because it's too fast moving? Kind or reminds me of the time I stumbled into a private book club party and it consisted of giddy 30somethings in no way shape or form talking about books and I sort of edged out quietly, trying to find where I was meant to be instead.

I will occasionally poke the Morrigan thread as I love me some Morri, though it kind of feels like I'm wandering into one of those bars and everyone's slumped over the bar with their drinks muttering into their own misery. There may even be country played in the background to add to the dispair...

Oh mannnn now I'm imaging what all the threads are visually and it's lols. Dwarf thread it's required you wear some kind of anachonistic clothing, possibly a pipe and a velvet smoking jacket. Finest single malt whisky is served and we all sit around in leather armchairs discussing politics, or something.

Zev thread is a coffeeshop outside a piazza, watching the pretty things come and go.

I still have two pages to catch up on but just wanted to say this is the best post ever. Period.

i do love that post too... but i'd think of the zevthread as a beach: 

some folks are tanning while chatting and drinking beach drinks and falling asleep under the sun, others are playing some kind of non-stop volleyball game with sexy people. some people are playing ultimate frisbee and constantly hit other people no matter how hard they try not to. [personalities]

some people wear full sarongs and loose fitting clothes, others strip to a bikini and bare it all. sometimes people forget what sort of beach they're at and go nude. some people know exactly what sort of beach it is and go nude anyway. [humor]

some people wade into the water too deep and get sweep down the beach by the riptide. others know how to swim the current and only have to walk a bit back to their towel. some people get swept out and have to be rescued by a lifeguard. [arguments]

some folks build a sandcastle and then an **** in a dunebuggy runs over it, sometimes by accident... but sometimes that sand sculpture was rank anyways. [anger]

the tide goes down and suddenly there are only a few people wading in a tidepool, but then the tide comes up and everyone starts pulling back their crap or they'll lose their cooler to the waves. [activity]

surfers are off in the distance, waiting, watching the shore distantly... sometimes the wave is right and they catch it. and sometimes the sharks chase them back to shore too. [lurkers]

from the beach you can see the dolphins and shrimp boats on the horizon, maybe a storm brewing off shore. but it's so far away no one really knows wtf is going on out there anyway, and no one really cares. an airplane flies overhead with one of those trailing banners with a vague message from the outside world but it goes unnoticed. [other threads]

a random kid run into a flock of seagulls just to see them scatter to the wind, and there's always someone poking jellyfish with sticks. [trolls]

someone takes pictures of sexy people wandering the beach absently. someone is on the pier painting the sunset for the 100th time but no one minds the duplicity. night falls and some people go home, others stay and make love as the tide rolls out. others smoke under the pier, and some just stay to think in the cool, quiet air. [creativity]

oh yeah. everyone wears flipflops except soignee who is wearing some sort of insanely priced couture shoetastrophe. [soignee]

edit:
some couples do nothing but roll over each other, rubbing ..lotion.. and chasing each other up and down the sand. sandburns are a betch. [you know who you are]


to back up my claim:

Modifié par Charsen, 16 juin 2010 - 07:45 .

[MorGothic]

Addai67 wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

This wasn't a troll post but a serious question, said person apparently didn't know that there are different breeds of cow and thought black and white cows were female and brown cows were male.

I'm done talking about it now, it's in the Ali thread somewhere if you can be bothered to look.

Said person admitted she was tipsy at the time, we had a brief off-topic convo and laughed about it.  Are we really talking about the goofy off-topic conversations that happen in gush threads?  Because...

No, we are not, you could bring up every silly off-topic conversation we have ever had here and none of us would care. Unfortunely the same could not be said for certain members of the Ali thread (not you), after all we seen what happens when they feel they have been insulted, haven't we?

[ejoslin]

Charsen, I like that!

But I have a sinking feeling I'm a jellyfish poker...

Edit: And to poke that jellyfish I will say...  Yeh, none of us would care if people laughed at our off topic conversations.  None of us would care if someone made the dwarf casteless equivalent to princess.  None of us would care if someone made awesome fan art mocking Zevran.

Heh, well, maybe someone could make me cringe at a random act of airheadedness, but since I'm like that IRL, I learned to laugh at myself a long time ago.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 juin 2010 - 07:43 .

[Sresla]

I am not joking, even a little bit, when I say that if we keep discussing the first time earring presentation and arguing about who is putting themselves more "on the line" - my head will explode. Fragments of skull, bits of brain everywhere - and it'll be hell to get off the walls and out of the carpet (and I will be dead, which would be a very bad thing from my own personal standpoint).

People either think there's subtext/offscreen dialogue happening - or there isn't. If you're one of those people who are playing it strictly by the book - where the only conversations going on are what you initiate, what's in the toolset, letter of the Bioware law, WHATEVER - then fine. Take the earring, be happy. If you're one of the others (I include myself in this category) who has a whole little drama that plays out throughout Dragon Age, where so much is happening in your head that Zevran's avoidance finally makes you snap then decline it, get it the second time and get that added declaration.

There are very few topics that rile me up in this thread, but the whole offscreen/onscreen thing is one of them.

Modifié par Sresla, 16 juin 2010 - 07:45 .

[sami jo]

Charsen wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

soignee wrote...

haha I'm the same. Something about the Ali thread rubs me the wrong way though, idk what it is. Probably because it's too fast moving? Kind or reminds me of the time I stumbled into a private book club party and it consisted of giddy 30somethings in no way shape or form talking about books and I sort of edged out quietly, trying to find where I was meant to be instead.

I will occasionally poke the Morrigan thread as I love me some Morri, though it kind of feels like I'm wandering into one of those bars and everyone's slumped over the bar with their drinks muttering into their own misery. There may even be country played in the background to add to the dispair...

Oh mannnn now I'm imaging what all the threads are visually and it's lols. Dwarf thread it's required you wear some kind of anachonistic clothing, possibly a pipe and a velvet smoking jacket. Finest single malt whisky is served and we all sit around in leather armchairs discussing politics, or something.

Zev thread is a coffeeshop outside a piazza, watching the pretty things come and go.

I still have two pages to catch up on but just wanted to say this is the best post ever. Period.

i do love that post too... but i'd think of the zevthread as a beach: 

some folks are tanning while chatting and drinking beach drinks and falling asleep under the sun, others are playing some kind of non-stop volleyball game with sexy people. some people are playing ultimate frisbee and constantly hit other people no matter how hard they try not to. [personalities]

some people wear full sarongs and loose fitting clothes, others strip to a bikini and bare it all. sometimes people forget what sort of beach they're at and go nude. some people know exactly what sort of beach it is and go nude anyway. [humor]

some people wade into the water too deep and get sweep down the beach by the riptide. others know how to swim the current and only have to walk a bit back to their towel. some people get swept out and have to be rescued by a lifeguard. [arguments]

some folks build a sandcastle and then an **** in a dunebuggy runs over it, sometimes by accident... but sometimes that sand sculpture was rank anyways. [anger]

the tide goes down and suddenly there are only a few people wading in a tidepool, but then the tide comes up and everyone starts pulling back their crap or they'll lose their cooler to the waves. [activity]

surfers are off in the distance, waiting, watching the shore distantly... sometimes the wave is right and they catch it. and sometimes the sharks chase them back to shore too. [lurkers]

from the beach you can see the dolphins and shrimp boats on the horizon, maybe a storm brewing off shore. but it's so far away no one really knows wtf is going on out there anyway, and no one really cares. an airplane flies overhead with one of those trailing banners with a vague message from the outside world but it goes unnoticed. [other threads]

a random kid run into a flock of seagulls just to see them scatter to the wind, and there's always someone poking jellyfish with sticks. [trolls]

someone takes pictures of sexy people wandering the beach absently. someone is on the pier painting the sunset for the 100th time but no one minds the duplicity. night falls and some people go home, others stay and make love as the tide rolls out. others smoke under the pier, and some just stay to think in the cool, quiet air. [creativity]

oh yeah. everyone wears flipflops except soignee who is wearing some sort of insanely priced couture shoetastrophe. [soignee]

edit:
some couples do nothing but roll over each other, rubbing ..lotion.. and chasing each other up and down the sand. sandburns are a betch. [you know who you are]

:wub::wub: (platonicly of course)

[ejoslin]

Sresla. Gah, I haven't seen you on here much I'm gonna bring up the earring more often if it will get you to rage and come on here (teasing, but I have missed you)!

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 juin 2010 - 07:47 .

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...

Charsen, I like that!

But I have a sinking feeling I'm a jellyfish poker...

I am this threads designated jellyfish poker. I take pride in it.

[Minaleth]

Charsen wrote...

soignee wrote...
...
Zev thread is a coffeeshop outside a piazza, watching the pretty things come and go. 

i do love that post too... but i'd think of the zevthread as a beach: 
...

:O:wub:
I LOVE LOVE LOVE you both for writing this, I hope one day you will internet adopt me :3
This are the most genuine amazing and lovely posts I've ever read *secretly wipes a tear*
I send hamsters, strawberries and naked Zevran your direction
<3<3<3