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[Costin_Razvan]

 Well....here is a fanfiction that is going to feature Zevran as a major character. And NO this is NOT a slashfic.

Warden of River Dane.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 19 juin 2010 - 10:52 .

[Corker]

Hello ZevThread!

Y'all helped me resolve some questions about Master Ignacio a while back, and the thingie I needed it for is complete, so (drive-by linkage).  There's a Zevran romance although all the naughty bits are covered by disembodied floating Wynne heads (metaphorically).  Strong language and screenshots of in-game gore.

[TanithAeyrs]

I think you can handle Zev's canon letter in Awakening in different ways, the Crows could have taken action that forced him to go (threatening the warden in a way that he couldn't provide protection against perhaps?). I'm kinda glossing over it in my fic - I will have a confrontation with the Crows, but long after Awakening, and only because it is unavoidable.



Zev and the Warden taking over the Crows could go in a lot of different directions, I agree that changing the Crows too much could render them ineffective. But I think some changes would be needed just because of Zev's (often hidden) compassion. It creates an interesting dilemma for anyone who has a relatively good warden in a relationship with Zev - how far will they go and what motivation is needed for them to support his bid for power in the Crows? Debate.

[ejoslin]

That's why I don't like it in the Awakening epilogue. It makes sense that a broken Zevran, one who quit caring about life, would become their leader. He's not crazy about it if the warden was a friend, but he was pretty much broken if the warden had been his lover.  It is very much a change from the man who wanted to begin again.  

Corker, I loved it! But you left out the most important part of the romance *grin* where he refuses to go to the tent and declares his feelings. I do like how you wrote it, though.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 juin 2010 - 10:51 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Question: the Awakening epilogue isn't definite about what happens is it? It's just one of the rumours that has Zev and the Warden taking over the Crows, right?

So what could happen is Zev simply doing enough damage to them to scare them off his and/or the Warden's trail permanently, rather than him taking over the whole organization. I agree that taking over would come with a whole crapload of problems (how they recruit their members, how they train them, etc.), but it would be hard to pass up the chance to do it if they have the possibility to, especially with a good/idealistic Warden who believes that the Crows are rotten to the core and absolutely need to be reformed. Maybe with enough dedication, they could rebuild the organisation from the top down and make it less despicable. Something more akin to the assassins in Assassin's Creed, perhaps. Then again...that would probably take a helluva long time. But simply beheading the organisation and leaving is not something a good Warden would do, because it would essentially cause chaos in Antiva.

Bottom line: if they have the means to do it, they take over the Crows and reform them; if they don't have the means to do it, they simply scare them off their trail.

[sami jo]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 Well....here is a fanfiction that is going to feature Zevran as a major character. And NO this is NOT a slashfic.

Warden of River Dane.

I was about to have a snark about your comment regarding it not being slash until I checked the characters involved, then it made perfect sense.  I do believe I would have lost all respect for you if you had dumped Zev into bed with Loghain.  

[TanithAeyrs]

Corker - that was fun, and the way you handled Sten - perfect.

[Sarah1281]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Corker - that was fun, and the way you handled Sten - perfect.

I really felt that subtle romance with him that most people just don't look hard enough to see and the 'I'll just use him to get what I want...crap, I think I'm in love' thing was a nice touch.

[Tellervo]

soignee wrote...

why can't Leliana look like that in game? WHY.

Well, she's pretty hot in mine, anyway.  I will show you some time.

[Corker]

ejoslin wrote...

Corker, I loved it! But you left out the most important part of the romance *grin* where he refuses to go to the tent and declares his feelings. I do like how you wrote it, though.

Thank you!  ...d'oh, I must've missed that!  I had the mother wit to do it on my last playthrough, where I also turned down the ring the first time.  I must've tied the two things together in my head, and since I took the ring right off this time, I didn't bother to check tent time.  But of course I narrated it as happening.  *headdesk*  Oh well.

[ejoslin]

It was only my "DAMN, I wanted to read it!" disappointment that lead me to say anything *grin* Because it really is that good!

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

That's why I don't like it in the Awakening epilogue. It makes sense that a broken Zevran, one who quit caring about life, would become their leader. He's not crazy about it if the warden was a friend, but he was pretty much broken if the warden had been his lover.  It is very much a change from the man who wanted to begin again.  

Corker, I loved it! But you left out the most important part of the romance *grin* where he refuses to go to the tent and declares his feelings. I do like how you wrote it, though.

I can't even make myself PLAY Awakening with my DNF that romanced Zev. First off...he isn't there. That immediately breaks it. This wonderful, loving, devoted lover isn't THERE, when he'd follow you to the black city. No. Secondly, the epilogue slides suck, for all the reasons mentioned. In fact, I'm probably not playing Awakening again on any of my girls unless we find out that the last save at the end can be a starting point for whatever comes next. I feel stupid for even buying it in a sense, but I did like the companions. Yes, even Oghren (a little). But the only way I'll go through it again is if using the final save from it allows those companions to be in the next installment.  Or if I HAVE to to continue.

Ok, wow, I didn't realize I was that annoyed by it. Carry on...

[Nonvita]

Soignee if you want to mod Leliana, I personally think the DA Redesigned version is the hottest. It looks like this:


The Sacred Ashes version makes her head too small, so it looks funky, and she looks like a b*tch.


Re: Awakening--Yeah, I decided not to buy it. It's not even that I'm pissed about Zevran or anything, since I expected that, but honestly I only even finished 2 characters in DA:O and the only one I'd want to play in Awakening I'd prefer to replay before importing, which ain't happening. From what everyone's talked about, Awakening just doesn't sound worth the money, and even if it's gotten cheaper I'm still too poor to buy it. And I think once I started playing I'd realize how much I really do miss Zevran, and then get all depressed and take it out on poor Nathaniel and that would make me even sadder. Now that I think about it, yeah, that's what would happen. So no, I think I'm good without it.

Modifié par Nonvita, 20 juin 2010 - 01:54 .

[Herr Uhl]

Corker wrote...

Hello ZevThread!

Y'all helped me resolve some questions about Master Ignacio a while back, and the thingie I needed it for is complete, so (drive-by linkage).  There's a Zevran romance although all the naughty bits are covered by disembodied floating Wynne heads (metaphorically).  Strong language and screenshots of in-game gore.

Nice. Though the guard isn't nameless, his name is Walter. And he fell into a pond once.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Question: the Awakening epilogue isn't definite about what happens is it? It's just one of the rumours that has Zev and the Warden taking over the Crows, right?

Thankfully, yes...

Maybe the Crows themselves start the rumour so it doesn't look like they got thoroughly spanked by a former member. It would also be a legitimate excuse for them to stop chasing Zev, if the guild believed he was their leader (how many people really get to see who the guildlord is, anyway?). That way Zev gets to be free of them because he's supposedly one of them again (and above being ordered around), and there's a reason for the GW contract to be cancelled to boot.

As others have said, I don't like the idea of Zev actually taking over the guild. The US Zev is different. Zev who has a new life (romanced or befriended) didn't want to return to the Crows, even if he still enjoyed being an assassin. So I can see him going back to Antiva to get the Crows off his back (and his friend's/lover's), but no more than that.

[Sarah1281]

Nonvita, have I mentioned how much I loved your drawing yet? Well if I did then I'm going to say it again: I  it.

[Sannox]

Independent of the Zevran thing, the bugs in Awakening were really annoying. I did enjoy playing it, though. My imported character was uber powerful (I think the imported ones are, and that you have to play the Orlesian warden to get a normal game) and I liked the new skills. I'd say that it's best to do it with a character who spared Loghain, because of his cameo. Oghren doesn't properly acknowledge your shared past, so it's nice to get a little something from Loghain at least.

[Minaleth]

I second love for Nonvita's dwarfies!

[Herr Uhl]

I love the top left one to bits.



Kind of how I envision raging Minaleth.

[soignee]

HURRAH DWARVES!



Of course Missa is naked. OF COURSE.

[Minaleth]

Missa is naked, Minah is cute... You have to have some constants in life. :3

[Nilfalasiel]

Those dwarf doodles are great!

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Thankfully, yes...

Maybe the Crows themselves start the rumour so it doesn't look like they got thoroughly spanked by a former member. It would also be a legitimate excuse for them to stop chasing Zev, if the guild believed he was their leader (how many people really get to see who the guildlord is, anyway?). That way Zev gets to be free of them because he's supposedly one of them again (and above being ordered around), and there's a reason for the GW contract to be cancelled to boot.

As others have said, I don't like the idea of Zev actually taking over the guild. The US Zev is different. Zev who has a new life (romanced or befriended) didn't want to return to the Crows, even if he still enjoyed being an assassin. So I can see him going back to Antiva to get the Crows off his back (and his friend's/lover's), but no more than that.

Well, the only way that I would accept the "taking over" scenario was if there was some intention to reform the organization behind it. If not, and if it's not for safety reasons either, then I agree, I don't see a good reason for non-US Zev to go back to the Crows.

[highcastle]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Question: the Awakening epilogue isn't definite about what happens is it? It's just one of the rumours that has Zev and the Warden taking over the Crows, right?

Thankfully, yes...

Maybe the Crows themselves start the rumour so it doesn't look like they got thoroughly spanked by a former member. It would also be a legitimate excuse for them to stop chasing Zev, if the guild believed he was their leader (how many people really get to see who the guildlord is, anyway?). That way Zev gets to be free of them because he's supposedly one of them again (and above being ordered around), and there's a reason for the GW contract to be cancelled to boot.

As others have said, I don't like the idea of Zev actually taking over the guild. The US Zev is different. Zev who has a new life (romanced or befriended) didn't want to return to the Crows, even if he still enjoyed being an assassin. So I can see him going back to Antiva to get the Crows off his back (and his friend's/lover's), but no more than that.

This. I don't see my PC or a romanced Zev actually taking over the Crows. At least not for long. But the crows starting a rumor to protect their own reputation...this I see perfectly.

The thing with the epilogue is that it's all based on rumor. You don't really know what happened next. And I could see one of my PCs trying to take over the Crows to make it a bit more compassionate (hero complex), but then being led away in frustration by Zev.

Personally, I'm at least happy the letter will make it back into Awakening, as I hated having to play through 16 hours just to get some mention of Zev.

[Ramante]

Here is a question for you all (though I'm sure ejoslin is the only one who knows just how good the dialogue is ):



I want to romance Alistair with my CE and then dump him for Zevran, but I want to have a non-sexual relationship with Zev, because some of the dialogues are nicer? If the answer on the question is yes, then which dialogues are nicer? -> how long should my Warden not have sex with Zevran. ^^'

[Sannox]

I could imagine Zevran paying off the Crows or manipulating them in some way, but I don't think he'd want to take them over.   He seems to disapprove of their methods (slavery, child abuse, etc.), and he shows no signs of that sort of ambition.  He's happy to follow the warden.    That's why I think that if he and the warden take over the Crows, it's the warden's desire.  

I think that trying to change them would be very difficult.   It's possible that they could change to recruiting paid workers instead of buying children.  Some people would be sure to want to join for the reasons Zevran gives as positives.    And also, the child slavery idea was rather wasteful.   Apparently a lot of recruits were killed, presumably after an investment in food, board and training.   The training itself was a bit pointless and over-rated, as Zevran explains.  So actually, although buying children and training them for years might seem cost effective, it probably isn't.  Even teaching them to be cold didn't work - they still made friends of a sort and fell in love.   Years of training and investment were rather pointless.

The Grey Wardens seemed to have a better idea.  Conscription might be a kind of slavery, but there were still volunteers.   They (and their 'press') made a big deal of the glory and honour, which would encourage people to join (like Jory, who had good reason not to).  Instead of buying children, they recruited adults who already had fighting skills.  Unsuitable ones were weeded out early, at the joining.  So the minimum of investment was needed - the warden heads straight to work after the joining, without further training.

Perhaps some wardens would want to go down the route of taking the Crows over and reforming them.  Some might even just want to take over the Crows, and Zevran might just go along with that because he always does.

Another thought about the different epilogues at the end of Origins.  I believe Zevran only stays for certain if he trains the Grey Wardens.   At the end of Origins, it's early in the relationship and shortly after he's gained his freedom.  Perhaps it turns out that he does need a purpose other than loving the warden, and teaching gives him that.    He does seem to want to do something more noble at the end.   The Awakening epilogue lets all the Origins endings have some resolution.