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[soignee]

Ack, ramante, I'm sorry I can't answer this! Both my wardens were all TENT NOAW to be honest >.>

Do you have the feast day gifts? Load him up with those to 100, maybe? Hmm, cake. Might make it easier.


Always liked this painting. By Maquaii on DA.

Modifié par soignee, 20 juin 2010 - 05:08 .

[Ramante]

One thing I don't like about the epilogue, or actually one thing I wish was possible is going with Sten and Zevran. Zevran asks Sten about his homeland (Elves placed above humans and all), all my non-mage (elven) characters really want to go with Sten but also want to stay with Zevran.
I wish there was an epilogue about the Warden and Zevran in the land of the Qunari.

@soignee, I believe some of the 'special' talks are different if you haven't had sex with him, the after-Taliesen talk and the thing after the Landsmeet. So I will romance Alistair during the treaty quests (haven't done that in a while, his romance is só slow) and dump him right before going to the Landsmeet part.

Modifié par Ramante, 20 juin 2010 - 05:09 .

[soignee]

I cannot help you. We need some emergency EJ to help!

[Ramante]

soignee wrote...

I cannot help you. We need some emergency EJ to help!

She's cooking for her dad, that may take a while.

I don't have the feastday stuff.. but ever since MG 'borrowed' my mage Bodahn got a bright yellow mark above his head. o.o'
Are they any good, because I have no idea what to think of it?

[soignee]

Ramante wrote...

soignee wrote...

I cannot help you. We need some emergency EJ to help!

She's cooking for her dad, that may take a while.

I don't have the feastday stuff.. but ever since MG 'borrowed' my mage Bodahn got a bright yellow mark above his head. o.o'
Are they any good, because I have no idea what to think of it?

if you ignore the LOLZ side of some of it, they're fabulous for playing around with approval, and the 50+ gifts have a unique use item. Sten's is amazing- a free battle rez, pretty much.

[TanithAeyrs]

Heres a debate point. About the child slaves the Crows buy - what happens to them if the Crows stop buying? I know Zev says that his purchase by the Crows could have been viewed as an improvement. An attempt to reform the Crows would almost certainly eliminate the purchase of child slaves, but will that have unintended consequences?

[Herr Uhl]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Heres a debate point. About the child slaves the Crows buy - what happens to them if the Crows stop buying? I know Zev says that his purchase by the Crows could have been viewed as an improvement. An attempt to reform the Crows would almost certainly eliminate the purchase of child slaves, but will that have unintended consequences?

Probably more street urchins. Or the slaves get sold to someone else, for pleasure or pain.

[soignee]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Heres a debate point. About the child slaves the Crows buy - what happens to them if the Crows stop buying? I know Zev says that his purchase by the Crows could have been viewed as an improvement. An attempt to reform the Crows would almost certainly eliminate the purchase of child slaves, but will that have unintended consequences?

yep. Using it as a plot point too. Basing it (loosely) on the economy of slavery and how much money merchants made from it; they would be very , very unwilling to roll over so readily. There would be a lot of blood shed.

Hurr durr, I did not answer your question. I second what Herr mentions; the Dalish may take them in, you never know.

Modifié par soignee, 20 juin 2010 - 05:47 .

[ejoslin]

Ramante wrote...

Here is a question for you all (though I'm sure ejoslin is the only one who knows just how good the dialogue is ):

I want to romance Alistair with my CE and then dump him for Zevran, but I want to have a non-sexual relationship with Zev, because some of the dialogues are nicer? If the answer on the question is yes, then which dialogues are nicer? -> how long should my Warden not have sex with Zevran. ^^'

If you don't have dialog tweaks, I'd suggest not having sex with him at all, though you have to proposition him once, same as if you're going to the tent, to open up that dialog.  The nicer dialogs are, hmmmm, off hand:

The jealousy talk is nicer. He still minimizes the relationship, but it's far more justifiable as it IS really a flirtation.
When you proposition him and he turns you down.
The royal scandal talk, hands down (irrelevant to a CE though). 

You do have to do some handwaving, unfortunately, with Leliana's, Morrigan's, and Wynne's talks.  You also can't say to him, "you're right, I'd rather not know" or whatever it is when asking him about his history with women as there's not alternative to his answer to that (I tried to tie it in with the male response, but the conversation is just too different).

If you have Dialog Tweaks, if you wait until you're in love to have sex, then there's a different before and after (s/he did a great job with that), otherwise, you get the same before and after which is pretty bad.

Edit: I think trying to change the Crows would be a disaster.  If you make it kinder, you basically destroy Antiva.  These are assassins, they need to be cold and ruthless -- the system works.  They have no military, apparently there is no shortage of orphan children being sold on the slave market.  And if someone survives the horrible training, they have a better life than they could ever dream of having otherwise.

Of course, it may be better if Antiva burns.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 juin 2010 - 05:54 .

[Ramante]

ejoslin wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Here is a question for you all (though I'm sure ejoslin is the only one who knows just how good the dialogue is ):

I want to romance Alistair with my CE and then dump him for Zevran, but I want to have a non-sexual relationship with Zev, because some of the dialogues are nicer? If the answer on the question is yes, then which dialogues are nicer? -> how long should my Warden not have sex with Zevran. ^^'

If you have Dialog Tweaks, if you wait until you're in love to have sex, then there's a different before and after (s/he did a great job with that), otherwise, you get the same before and after which is pretty bad.

Thank you.

ejoslin wrote...
Of course, it may be better if Antiva burns.

Zevran disapproves -100.

[Sannox]

soignee wrote...

Ack, ramante, I'm sorry I can't answer this! Both my wardens were all TENT NOAW to be honest >.>

Do you have the feast day gifts? Load him up with those to 100, maybe? Hmm, cake. Might make it easier.


Always liked this painting. By Maquaii on DA.

Yes, I haven't been able to think of a reason not to go to the tent early on.   Zevran makes it fairly clear that he's available, right from the start.   I could create a character and imagine a reason, I suppose.  

I like that painting too.

[ejoslin]

Heh, yeh. There's just no way an order of assassins could be made more, well, humane really. It's like a kinder, gentler mafia. The terror is part of what makes it so effective. If you change the crows to not be so ruthless and horrible, then Antiva would be in upheaval.

[Ramante]

Sannox wrote...

Yes, I haven't been able to think of a reason not to go to the tent early on.   Zevran makes it fairly clear that he's available, right from the start.   I could create a character and imagine a reason, I suppose.  

Same here, but since I wanted to romance Alistair again, I just wanted to know what my options were with the non-sexual relationship with Zevran.

@ejoslin, I can go through the Landsmeet, get dumped by Alistair, have the 'no-action' relationship with Zevran and still get the earring right? o.o

[Sarah1281]

Sannox wrote...

Yes, I haven't been able to think of a reason not to go to the tent early on.   Zevran makes it fairly clear that he's available, right from the start.   I could create a character and imagine a reason, I suppose.  

The Warden believes sex=love, they're not looking for a fling, they don't want to sleep with someone who they aren't positive won't try to kill them later...there are plenty of reasons.

[ejoslin]

I can think of reasons not to go to the tent -- I have had a few that wait. Not all my characters want to have sex with their assassin even though there's an attraction and real feelings there. In those cases, the relationship is not based on sex so much -- it's based on friendship that grows deeper. It can't even be played as a casual relationship because all there is there are the feelings.

Edit: I had a human noble who was very aware of the imbalance there in their relationship.  Not only was he an elf and she human, but he was her indenture.  

Actually, I've had several character who didn't have sex.  Sarah mentioned some reasons.  Another is just trying to stay focused on stopping the blight.  Being attracted to and in a relationship with Alistair despite the stronger draw to Zevran.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 juin 2010 - 06:39 .

[ejoslin]

Ramante wrote...

Sannox wrote...

Yes, I haven't been able to think of a reason not to go to the tent early on.   Zevran makes it fairly clear that he's available, right from the start.   I could create a character and imagine a reason, I suppose.  

Same here, but since I wanted to romance Alistair again, I just wanted to know what my options were with the non-sexual relationship with Zevran.

@ejoslin, I can go through the Landsmeet, get dumped by Alistair, have the 'no-action' relationship with Zevran and still get the earring right? o.o

yes, as long as he's above 91+ love.  

Edit: Just don't turn on the relationship before that.  Standard jealousy rules apply whether you two have had sex or not.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 juin 2010 - 06:42 .

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Sannox wrote...

Yes, I haven't been able to think of a reason not to go to the tent early on.   Zevran makes it fairly clear that he's available, right from the start.   I could create a character and imagine a reason, I suppose.  

Same here, but since I wanted to romance Alistair again, I just wanted to know what my options were with the non-sexual relationship with Zevran.

@ejoslin, I can go through the Landsmeet, get dumped by Alistair, have the 'no-action' relationship with Zevran and still get the earring right? o.o

yes, as long as he's above 91+ love.  

Edit: Just don't turn on the relationship before that.  Standard jealousy rules apply whether you two have had sex or not.

I have so much trouble not turning him...err I mean the relationship on. Hence why I have a mage at the moment with both Alistair and Zev in active romances. But I've always wondered what happens if you turn don Zev's proposition to the tent. Does he ask again? I've never gotten it AFTER love...i didn't think it was possible to get there before he offers his massage...lol

[ejoslin]

Lady Jess wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Sannox wrote...

Yes, I haven't been able to think of a reason not to go to the tent early on.   Zevran makes it fairly clear that he's available, right from the start.   I could create a character and imagine a reason, I suppose.  

Same here, but since I wanted to romance Alistair again, I just wanted to know what my options were with the non-sexual relationship with Zevran.

@ejoslin, I can go through the Landsmeet, get dumped by Alistair, have the 'no-action' relationship with Zevran and still get the earring right? o.o

yes, as long as he's above 91+ love.  

Edit: Just don't turn on the relationship before that.  Standard jealousy rules apply whether you two have had sex or not.

I have so much trouble not turning him...err I mean the relationship on. Hence why I have a mage at the moment with both Alistair and Zev in active romances. But I've always wondered what happens if you turn don Zev's proposition to the tent. Does he ask again? I've never gotten it AFTER love...i didn't think it was possible to get there before he offers his massage...lol

He does not ask again.  He offers it once if you haven't been to the tent yet -- you can turn it down, you don't even have to lose approval.

The only way to get the offer after he's in love, though, is to not turn on the romance until after 91+ Friendly. I never found it difficult keeping him on the friend track -- the romance turn on lines are so obvious, so as long as you avoid them completely, you won't turn it on OR off permanently.

Oh, and his proposition has precedence over the earring conversation, so you DO have to turn him down even in that circumstance.

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

He does not ask again.  He offers it once if you haven't been to the tent yet -- you can turn it down, you don't even have to lose approval.

The only way to get the offer after he's in love, though, is to not turn on the romance until after 91+ Friendly. I never found it difficult keeping him on the friend track -- the romance turn on lines are so obvious, so as long as you avoid them completely, you won't turn it on OR off permanently.

Oh, and his proposition has precedence over the earring conversation, so you DO have to turn him down even in that circumstance.

Oh it's not that I can't avoid the most of the lines, I just can't resist temptation...lol. I do have trouble when he uses his "i say you are beautiful" line though...goodness gracious he's good.

But if you turn him down, then do the earring...you have to ask him? That kinda stinks.

[Sannox]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sannox wrote...

Yes, I haven't been able to think of a reason not to go to the tent early on.   Zevran makes it fairly clear that he's available, right from the start.   I could create a character and imagine a reason, I suppose.  

The Warden believes sex=love, they're not looking for a fling, they don't want to sleep with someone who they aren't positive won't try to kill them later...there are plenty of reasons.

Oh, I can think of reasons for other wardens (the warden not being attracted to men, etc.).   But the wardens I've played have no reason not to ask him.   It's kind of a default position.   I need a reason to not do it, rather than a reason to do it.   I think that realistically, unless there's a reason, it's going to happen - you're working very closely together killing things.  It's quite intimate already.

[tmp7704]

Corker wrote...

Hello ZevThread!

Y'all helped me resolve some questions about Master Ignacio a while back, and the thingie I needed it for is complete, so (drive-by linkage).  There's a Zevran romance although all the naughty bits are covered by disembodied floating Wynne heads (metaphorically).  Strong language and screenshots of in-game gore.

A+, would read again

[Sarah1281]

Sannox wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sannox wrote...

Yes, I haven't been able to think of a reason not to go to the tent early on.   Zevran makes it fairly clear that he's available, right from the start.   I could create a character and imagine a reason, I suppose.  

The Warden believes sex=love, they're not looking for a fling, they don't want to sleep with someone who they aren't positive won't try to kill them later...there are plenty of reasons.

Oh, I can think of reasons for other wardens (the warden not being attracted to men, etc.).   But the wardens I've played have no reason not to ask him.   It's kind of a default position.   I need a reason to not do it, rather than a reason to do it.   I think that realistically, unless there's a reason, it's going to happen - you're working very closely together killing things.  It's quite intimate already.

I was more talking about reasons to not jump into bed with him early on not reasons to not even get with him at all which is what not being attracted to men would mean (unless, I guess, they're in denial). Until Zevran propositions you then without seeing the dialogue choices let you try to jump him then I think it would be far easier to not start something then if you can see the option to do so. I mean, so what if he flirts with you? He flirts with Wynne,  Leliana, and Morrigan, too, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's interested.

[Sannox]

Oh, I think he does comes across as interested. By the time you get the tent option, your character has already talked to him quite a bit, and I felt he was making it clear that he was available. Depending on your party, and what banter comes up, you might not have seen him flirt with the others, but it wouldn't mean that he wasn't interested in the warden (easy to say in retrospect, I know, when it's clear that he was only interested in the warden).

[ejoslin]

I agree that he shows his interest (his flirting with the other party members does seem to be for reasons other than trying to have sex with them). But I don't agree that just because a man and woman like each other and are attracted to each other means it's the right time or place for them to sleep together.



I mean, you know the reasons why a warden would sleep with him -- there's a physical attraction there. For me, it's not a matter of coming up with reasons not to -- it's a matter of deciding whether that's a compelling enough reason to have sex with him.

[Sannox]

I suppose that depends on whether your warden needs a compelling reason to have sex! I agree that the place isn't ideal (lack of privacy in the camp), but the timing - I think having death hanging over them might make them in more of a hurry.

And there aren't a lot of other options.

Modifié par Sannox, 20 juin 2010 - 08:13 .