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[EccentricSage]

I blunder so terribly when I post without sleep. *head desk* But I like the way I remember it! LOL Mmmm... right... I think I'm in some sort of denial faze of my previous crush on Morrigan, since that wasn't working out and I had to give her up for Zev....



Ooooh... I'm such an ass. You make a good point about Sten. I guess I should have seen that, it's so obvious. Especially if I could see the good in the Assassin for how he was raised. I've let my emotions get the better of me. Though I really do see it being unlikely for my Dalish to break through that cold exterior. He may just have to fail him. He can't be perfect. :-/



Wow, Zev looks diferent in the Fade. So I guess maybe there is something to the jokes of the bottle blond and fake tan. XD JK. I'm horrible today. But it's not a picture that conveys the horror that I'm sure I'll witness when I do take him to the Circle. Still wish my Dalish had gotten him soon enough, but Dristen hadn't anticipated how bad the situation at the tower would be when he agreed to get mages to help cure Conner. The idea of the child ether being killed, or possibly being needlessly orphaned was not something Dristen could stomach. Otherwise I could have gotten Zev right after that. Damn the altruism of my Dalish youth!





"such an unflattering expression for such a lovely face." *thu-thump thu-thump thu-thump* *__*

I love that line. I can't remember whether they switched out lovely for handsome or not in my male elf's case. Dristen is the pretty boy bottom even more awkward than Zev about romance, so I kind of hope it was 'lovely'. LOL Damn my memmory! XD

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Gah, I love it that he needs to have an idea of what the Warden's intentions are before he'll lay a hand on her.  That is the absolute opposite of Alistair, who doesn't even think of the future until after he's in love because he's so caught up in the moment.

Me, too.  You click on him thinking it's going to be you asking another question and there's that hesitant, "I've... a question... if I might..."  Squee!  I love it even if I plan to "friend" him only.  It's the best when I know my PC is falling for him, though.  Whatever his bravado, he is in for such a surprise when she actually wants him back, and then doesn't move on for the next thing that hits her fancy but still keeps wanting him around.

I interpret Alistair differently, though.  I think he is thinking from the beginning about the problem of his future.  He talks about the kingship with this heavy air of inevitability, and when Morrigan asks him why he kept concealing his identity after Cailan's death, he answers that he "was hoping it would go away."  That means he was thinking about it all the time, even in Ostagar.  And when he was thumbing over that rose from Lothering for days before he worked up the courage to give it to the PC, I believe that was part of what he was thinking, but that he finally decided (as he says with the tent) to throw caution to the wind.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 février 2010 - 03:37 .

[Nonvita]

EccentricSage wrote...

Wow, Zev looks diferent in the Fade. So I guess maybe there is something to the jokes of the bottle blond and fake tan.

Hehe, clearly they have him modded in their game. And I've never thought it's a fake tan or hair. Seriously, I've known Italian guys whose hair gets bleached that blonde just from the sun. I like to think he spends a lot of time outdoors, which would give him a dark tan and bleached hair (though he must go out naked a lot to achieve such an even tan ).

But the Fade is very interesting with him. I like that his dream is something clearly from a long time ago, whereas everyone else's seem to be from recent events. It shows just how much he was traumatized by many events in his life, and just how much brainwashing has gone into his training. Some scars never disappear, indeed.

[EccentricSage]

Nonvita wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

Wow, Zev looks diferent in the Fade. So I guess maybe there is something to the jokes of the bottle blond and fake tan.

Hehe, clearly they have him modded in their game. And I've never thought it's a fake tan or hair. Seriously, I've known Italian guys whose hair gets bleached that blonde just from the sun. I like to think he spends a lot of time outdoors, which would give him a dark tan and bleached hair (though he must go out naked a lot to achieve such an even tan ).

But the Fade is very interesting with him. I like that his dream is something clearly from a long time ago, whereas everyone else's seem to be from recent events. It shows just how much he was traumatized by many events in his life, and just how much brainwashing has gone into his training. Some scars never disappear, indeed.

That's how I see it, too, but I couldn't help but joke!!!!!  XD  I'm in a silly mood.  I love his tan skin and blond hair... it's so unexpected, realy.  I also like that his skin texture has a bit of roughness and fine lines to it.  Realism in a sexy pretty boy character.  What a novel concept.  (I am so over Square Enix.  lol)


Yeah... I think I'm actually going to cheat and use an old save file to get Zev and do a run through of the tower with him, because I want so badly for this to be part of his and Dristen's story together.  They missed so much!  Redcliff AND the Tower!!!  I wish he'd simply atacked us on the way out of Loathering, but Loghain realy is just that full of fail that he wasn't thoughrough enough.  Pft!  KILL US BETTER, YOU ASS!!!  Would have been a much tougher battle, I must say.

[Monica21]

Addai67 wrote...
I interpret Alistair differently, though.  I think he is thinking from the beginning about the problem of his future.  He talks about the kingship with this heavy air of inevitability, and when Morrigan asks him why he kept concealing his identity after Cailan's death, he answers that he "was hoping it would go away."  That means he was thinking about it all the time, even in Ostagar.  And when he was thumbing over that rose from Lothering for days before he worked up the courage to give it to the PC, I believe that was part of what he was thinking, but that he finally decided (as he says with the tent) to throw caution to the wind.

I know this is a Zevran thread but I just want to interject my agreement with this. He's very concious of who he is and where his possible future lies. He's spent so much of his life having people tell him what to do that it's really difficult for me to find fault with him for approaching the Warden with his feelings. He finally finds someone he can connect with, and for all of Wynne's busybody-ness, her apology is right on when she says it's good that you've been able to fine each other amidst all this. And really, if you don't treat the relationship like a schoolgirl crush, then you're both going into it with your eyes open, knowing what could happen.

[ejoslin]

Addai67, I have no doubt that his future as king was weighing heavily on him. I just don't think he thought about the future with the warden until after he fell in love. I think before that time, he was just caught up in the moment, enjoying the heady feeling of first love. It's after he falls in love that reality hits, and suddenly he has to start looking at the future with the warden, and all that that really means. Had he been equating his future as king and where the warden would fit into it from the start, I don't think he could have pursued the relationship, just because of the way he is.

Edit:
Monica21, Wynne's apology is pretty generic, actually.  She says the same thing about Zevran, but nicer

Second edit: I am nothing if not redundant

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 février 2010 - 04:36 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Wynne's apology is pretty generic, actually. She says the same thing about Zevran, but nicer

she better ber nicer during the apology about Zevran considering shes easily the harshest by far during the zevran version of that talk (plus it takes her forever to even apologize when your romancing zev)

atleast with morrigan she comes off as worried about her using you for her own ends and can easily be deflected with that comment about the family jewels

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 22 février 2010 - 04:40 .

[ejoslin]

One further thought about Alistair and whether he was looking at the future with the warden. If you're the one who asks to go to the tent with him, after he falls in love, you get a dialog with him that starts the same as the proposition. However, of course, he tells you that you're the first woman he ever spent the night with, and if he has his say, you'll be the last. You can ask him in this if you're not human (and perhaps as a human mage), "Does my being an (elf)(dwarf)(maybe mage, not sure) matter?" And he assures you it does not.

If he were really looking at the future with the warden instead of being caught up in first love, he would have had to acknowledge that it does matter. And in fact, your next romance dialog is now available after that conversation, asking him specifically about the future. And that's where he has to start thinking about it. If all this happens after he knows he's going to be put forward as king, you have further dialog options, but until that time, he is NOT considering where his relationship with the warden is actually going, he's just enjoying it for what it is (which IS beautiful).

NOW, contrast that with Zevran, who from the start, needs to know what at least the warden's intentions are. He doesn't need a commitment of any kind; it gives the highest approval, but he will accept any answer or even non-answer. It doesn't affect the relationship except in a RP type way, but still, he is thinking about it.

It's nice that telling him you'd like a future relationship with him gives higher approval than letting him know you just want a sexual relationship with him (both give high approval mind you, but telling him you hope afterwards he'll stick around as more than a friend gives the highest approval). Not that approval levels are an issue with Zevran

Edit: @CZ, I do agree that Wynne SHOULD have the nicest apology as her initial lecture was the harshest.  That actually is a conversation I'll reload a few times because it is SO squee.  *sigh* Wynne and squee -- doesn't seem like those should be in the same sentence.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 février 2010 - 05:02 .

[Cuddlezarro]

doesn't seem like those should be in the same sentence.

no they shouldn't its creepy and against the laws of nature :3

[EccentricSage]

What does Wynne say about Leliana in contrast to Zevran, btw? I wonder if she's as hypocritical is some of the Lel fan/Zev hater types. That would be very telling.

[Cuddlezarro]

her conversation about the annoying one is no where near as bad as Zevrans

id put it around Alistair level where she comes off as genuinely worried that you will end up hurting Leliena and not a judgmental old cow

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 22 février 2010 - 05:24 .

[ejoslin]

Oh, Wynne is worried about you hurting Leliana.

Hmmmm, another Zevran squee moment. When he's telling you about his second mission, the point of it is, of course, that he learned that he cannot let attraction to a mark mean anything more than just going for the kill. But the romance turn on line there is actually interesting, whether you're in a romance or not (so you NEVER mix business with pleasure?) -- he lets you know right there that you are an exception to that rule.

I've never really paid too much attention to that because it's my favorite way of turning on the romance (very flirtatious on both sides).  Also, his answer to when you call him cold there is SO amazing.  But I like this better, actually.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 février 2010 - 05:48 .

[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...

One further thought about Alistair and whether he was looking at the future with the warden. If you're the one who asks to go to the tent with him, after he falls in love, you get a dialog with him that starts the same as the proposition. However, of course, he tells you that you're the first woman he ever spent the night with, and if he has his say, you'll be the last. You can ask him in this if you're not human (and perhaps as a human mage), "Does my being an (elf)(dwarf)(maybe mage, not sure) matter?" And he assures you it does not.

If he were really looking at the future with the warden instead of being caught up in first love, he would have had to acknowledge that it does matter. And in fact, your next romance dialog is now available after that conversation, asking him specifically about the future. And that's where he has to start thinking about it. If all this happens after he knows he's going to be put forward as king, you have further dialog options, but until that time, he is NOT considering where his relationship with the warden is actually going, he's just enjoying it for what it is (which IS beautiful).

NOW, contrast that with Zevran, who from the start, needs to know what at least the warden's intentions are. He doesn't need a commitment of any kind; it gives the highest approval, but he will accept any answer or even non-answer. It doesn't affect the relationship except in a RP type way, but still, he is thinking about it.

It's nice that telling him you'd like a future relationship with him gives higher approval than letting him know you just want a sexual relationship with him (both give high approval mind you, but telling him you hope afterwards he'll stick around as more than a friend gives the highest approval). Not that approval levels are an issue with Zevran

Edit: @CZ, I do agree that Wynne SHOULD have the nicest apology as her initial lecture was the harshest.  That actually is a conversation I'll reload a few times because it is SO squee.  *sigh* Wynne and squee -- doesn't seem like those should be in the same sentence.

Well, Alistair and Zevran are different people with different experiences, so it's no wonder they wouldn't approach a relationship the same way. As far as the Warden knows, she's Alistair's first love and he's never had to deal with "the unbearable agony of being in love" (if I may shamelessly quote "Love Actually"). I still think that Alistair's happy ending is unhardened with Anora ruling. He doesn't want to be king, but hardened he can accept it and even want to rule, but that's not the same thing as his being happy. I think he is being honest when he says that if he has his way you'll be his first and last. Unfortunately for Alistair, he has pretty limited options, and they're all based on what the Warden decides.

I haven't played the Zevran romance, but if he needs to know the Warden's intentions then it sounds like he's being far more cautious. Given his past, that's certainly understandable.

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

Well, Alistair and Zevran are different people with different experiences, so it's no wonder they wouldn't approach a relationship the same way. As far as the Warden knows, she's Alistair's first love and he's never had to deal with "the unbearable agony of being in love" (if I may shamelessly quote "Love Actually"). I still think that Alistair's happy ending is unhardened with Anora ruling. He doesn't want to be king, but hardened he can accept it and even want to rule, but that's not the same thing as his being happy. I think he is being honest when he says that if he has his way you'll be his first and last. Unfortunately for Alistair, he has pretty limited options, and they're all based on what the Warden decides.

I haven't played the Zevran romance, but if he needs to know the Warden's intentions then it sounds like he's being far more cautious. Given his past, that's certainly understandable.

Oh, Monica21, I just like contrasting the romances.  I love how they run in opposite directions.  I don't try to take anything away from either.  You have to understand that I actually like the Alistair romance and am not an Alistair attacker.  I believe that his love was real.  My only point was that he was not looking at the future with his relationship with the warden.  It's the way I see the romance.

What's interesting about Zevran wanting to know the warden's intentions is that he is supposedly the one who is very casual -- and he accepts very casual quite happily, until, of course, he doesn't.   But one thing about the Zevran romance is you can't be sure when it actually starts.  Was he falling in love the entire time (I think so)?  Was the sex ever actually casual for him (up for debate given something he says later in the game that can be interpreted more than one way)?  He does trust the warden completely before falling in love with him or her.

It's fun to look at the two romances, but if I write about that kind of thing in an Alistair love thread, I get yelled at!  And being yelled at on a forum is no fun:(

Edit: Now, when I say I like the Alistair romance, I guess I should be clear that Alistair ends up dumped and all.  I like it, but not as much as the Zevran romance   I also don't romance Alistair every game.  In fact, with my human nobles, they don't romance him just so he won't be hurt after they're married and she is off with her lover while he's ruling Ferelden.  I really like the character enough that I hate the thought of that ending.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 février 2010 - 05:39 .

[Leiou]

I'm in need of help getting Zev to love. I did the Taliesin event while Zevran was at care, he went to camp. Since then he and my PC have talked about Rinna and his last mission, and he offered my PC a massage, there was also the poetry reading. In the end I was at 90 adore. So I figured I needed to get to 100 for it to change to love. Unfortunately that didn't seem to do anything, it was still at adore and Zev had nothing to say. I'm wondering if I missed something or if perhaps my game is bugged? I want my earring!



I'm not sure what else to do. I've romanced Zev on a previous character. On that one however I was already at 100 adore when I fought Taliesin and so it changed to love right away.

[ejoslin]

Leiou wrote...

I'm in need of help getting Zev to love. I did the Taliesin event while Zevran was at care, he went to camp. Since then he and my PC have talked about Rinna and his last mission, and he offered my PC a massage, there was also the poetry reading. In the end I was at 90 adore. So I figured I needed to get to 100 for it to change to love. Unfortunately that didn't seem to do anything, it was still at adore and Zev had nothing to say. I'm wondering if I missed something or if perhaps my game is bugged? I want my earring!

I'm not sure what else to do. I've romanced Zev on a previous character. On that one however I was already at 100 adore when I fought Taliesin and so it changed to love right away.

If, after Taliesen, you ended telling him, "It would be hard to kiss you if you left," and getting that kiss, it will never turn to love (you get that option after you tell him it's choice whether to stay or go twice).  It doesn't matter what your approval level is at that encounter.  Your only choice is to reload from before that encounter and redo it.

It's sad that the only two public kisses from Zevran in the vanilla game are SO bad.

Edit: I think that is actually the only answer which will lead to Zevran staying at adore for the rest of the game.  You could try breaking up with him, but I don't think you can even restart the romance if that happens.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 février 2010 - 05:51 .

[Leiou]

Ah, and here I thought that kiss was so romantic to. Oh well reload I shall. Thank you ejoslin.

[ejoslin]

Leiou wrote...

Ah, and here I thought that kiss was so romantic to. Oh well reload I shall. Thank you ejoslin.

(whisper) reject the earring the first time . . .  *grin* and ask questions here if this does not end up in a good way!

[Aviena]

(After "cheating" a little and reading the wiki) I rejected the earring the first time...and no good came of it. Guess my poor elf rejected it a little TOO forcefully. :innocent:

[ejoslin]

Aviena wrote...

(After "cheating" a little and reading the wiki) I rejected the earring the first time...and no good came of it. Guess my poor elf rejected it a little TOO forcefully. :innocent:

Oh, you probably gave the wrong answer when he declared his feelings.  You have to tell him either, "I am no wiser than you" or "Maybe it would be better for you if we ended it."   Telling him the nicest answer, like most Zev romance dialogs, does not lead to the best result.  *cry* so if you tell him you feel the same way, no earring 

Edit: This thread is a far better place to cheat 

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 février 2010 - 06:19 .

[Leiou]

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: I think that is actually the only answer which will lead to Zevran staying at adore for the rest of the game.  You could try breaking up with him, but I don't think you can even restart the romance if that happens.  

I tried breaking up with him, boy was that not fun, poor Zevy. I persuaded him to stay and I got the "do you stare at everyone like that?" dialog (which was very cute). The breakup got me back to care (-37) so I got his approval back up. In the end however he wasn't able to get past adore, so breaking up doesn't fix it. Thankfully I have a save right before the Taliesin encounter. And I shall take your advise on the earring.

[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...
Oh, Monica21, I just like contrasting the romances.  I love how they run in opposite directions.  I don't try to take anything away from either.  You have to understand that I actually like the Alistair romance and am not an Alistair attacker.  I believe that his love was real.  My only point was that he was not looking at the future with his relationship with the warden.  It's the way I see the romance.

I don't think you're an Alistair attacker. :-) I think those of us who choose to romance someone have a favorite and for different reasons. I do agree that he wasn't looking at the future in the beginning of the relationship, but once it progresses there's sort of an "oh crap" moment and he starts thinking of everything that's going on and what it all might mean. That's at least one reason why I think it's important to choose the correct dialogue options when you have the "where is this going" conversation. It's not a schoolgirl crush, you're both at war, and you really don't have any idea what's going to happen, so it's at least wise to keep both eyes open in the relationship. I think we agree on that, yes?

And enough about Alistair in a Zevran thread. ;-)

[Cuddlezarro]

Tonight on the Alexander Cousland and Zev news... the annoying french girl does it AGAIN

also the more I look at these dialogue options the less I like them, option 1 make it seem like im ashamed of being gay (which Xander is not), option 2 is just an out right lie, and options 3 and 4 make it sound like im a straight guy experimenting (which Xander again is not) wheres the "iv been interested in guys since I hit puberty" option!?

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 22 février 2010 - 06:42 .

[Raiynsong]

 wow that's what i get for playing all day long-- I miss pages of posts!

Sten is WONDERFUL.  he looks great in the Ancient Elven Armor.  I need to play a mage with him to see, but with warrior and rogue, elf and human he's an interesting character.  I love his dialogs with Morrigan, too.

Alistair is naive and who can blame him, really, growing up in the chantry (well, after age 10).  His emotions and sense of duty are innocent---and because of that, sometimes foolish.  So when he yells at you for making tough decisions or then dumps you, it's very hurtful---because he seems just soo innocent until then.  I think the "best" ending for him is to put Anora on the throne and the warden and he go off to rebuild the Grey Wardens.  After all, that does seem to be way more important than a petty political thing. And wardens are supposed to give up their old lives anyway.  Eamon never trained Alistair when he had the chance... Let Anora rule (tho Alistair did become king twice for me, and I was queen once.;..but I was a Cousland then).

Sten... Ban Teagan.... WANT MODS to romance them both

But Zevran is my favorite for all the reasons posted here.  I'm on a City Elf this time and  have just heard the first two stories. It occurred to me that when you ask for his adventures, he always tells ones that end comically and where he doesn't really even kill anyone (or does it accidentally).  Despite his earlier conversations about taking pride in his work, he really doesn't -- or, if he did, he's beginning to regret it.  At first I thought maybe he just wanted to entertain the warden, and not focus so much on the "killer assassin" stuff so she'd become more comfortable with him.  Now, I'm beginning to think he is telling the funny stories because he's not proud of what he did before...  What's your take on this, people ?

I took a wonderful screenie of Zevran today at the Ashes, but can't figure out how to post it ?

[Raiynsong]

oh question: where is the "felon armor" I don't think I have seen that... And you talk about changing skins on armor. Is that a mod ?