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[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Charsen wrote...

thanks guys =)

sorry for the poor quality. here is the WIP video...

it stops abruptly because this is where i am working at the moment, so the positions are changing =)

Beautiful work! 

edit: top of page? orly?



(lyrics taken from Lovecats by The Cure.)

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 22 juin 2010 - 01:20 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Charsen, might I suggest a song for the wedding?

Namely this: Two Steps from Hell: Friendship to the Last.

[tmp7704]

Unless he can get it licensed the rules against unauthorized use of other people's works are pretty strict. There's a fair use clause which might be utilized, but for music it's typically limited to "10% of the work and no more than 30 sec, whichever is less".

Modifié par tmp7704, 22 juin 2010 - 01:34 .

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, I was thinking the Alistair wedding would work best at the post-coronation ceremony. Zevran, though, I like the idea of them doing it before the archdemon.



As far as location, not everyone is going to be happy, unfortunately. I say, go with any location that works and that is reasonably easy to accomodate guests and has realistic access to a bed.

[Costin_Razvan]

It's a bloody mod, do you honestly think anyone will care?. Seriously....for example Return to the Korcari Wilds uses custom music, and they have had no issue.

I can also list a great number of other mods for many games that use custom music.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 juin 2010 - 01:56 .

[soignee]

ejoslin wrote...


As far as location, not everyone is going to be happy, unfortunately. I say, go with any location that works and that is reasonably easy to accomodate guests and has realistic access to a bed.

this, pretty much.

[Giggles_Manically]

Does Zevran say anything about doing the Trial of Crows questline? I have yet to do a run with him in my party, and do the ToC quests. Also I thought it wise to not bring old zev to see his crow friends.

[jenovan]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Does Zevran say anything about doing the Trial of Crows questline? I have yet to do a run with him in my party, and do the ToC quests. Also I thought it wise to not bring old zev to see his crow friends.

Oh, I definitely advise bringing Zevran along to talk to Ignacio, they have some interesting words for each other.   It's fluff -- not important to the quest or anything -- but it's definitely fascinating (IMHO).

[tmp7704]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It's a bloody mod, do you honestly think anyone will care?. Seriously....for example Return to the Korcari Wilds uses custom music, and they have had no issue.

I can also list a great number of other mods for many games that use custom music.

I'm just saying how it is. If there's complaint about unauthorized use then the host is generally legally obliged to take it down, and it would be a shame to lose such nice addition to the game over silly issue like that whe it can be avoided in the first place, wouldn't it?

And yes, apparently some do care when you consider even 'bloody youtube videos' get reported for it and the music is then removed from them.

[soignee]

yeah, it's music that's only available through toolset really. That way it stops the WHAT IS THIS GUITAR **** IN MY VIDEO GAME nonsense too, as no one can argue about the use of the actual DA sountrack then.

[Costin_Razvan]

I'm just saying how it is. If there's complaint about unauthorized use then the host is generally legally obliged to take it down, and it would be a shame to lose such nice addition to the game over silly issue like that whe it can be avoided in the first place, wouldn't it?

And yes, apparently some do care when you consider even 'bloody youtube videos' get reported for it and the music is then removed from them.

I played through hundreds of mods, many of which use custom music, and not to this day have I seen any of them taken down because of the music they used.

Youtube is a different matter altogether, the videos that get their music removed use songs licensed to WMG ( and WMG and youtube don't deal nicely with each other ). 

Some big companies might care, but not Two Steps from Hell or other trailer music companies ( X-Ray Dog, Immediate Music etc. ).

I remember one guy presented videos at Blizzcon using Two Steps from Hell and X-Ray Dog music, did anyone file a complaint to get his video removed? No, and that was a event that was attended by tens of thousands of people.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 juin 2010 - 02:26 .

[tmp7704]

You are kinda presuming there the guy who did the presentation hadn't gotten the permission for it.

[Costin_Razvan]

For presenting at Blizzcon? Maybe ( I doubt it but still ). For creating the video which he posted first at Warcraftmovies,com? Nope.

Really, you are blowing it out of proportion based on what we see on WMG doing with youtube. ( and what happens on youtube is a automatic system for verifying if the music belongs to WMG or not, then the video gets muted. No one cares about the video in question, but rather that they don't break the agreement with WMG. )

As long as you give credit to the soundtrack, no one will really care.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 juin 2010 - 02:46 .

[Corker]

What about original music? *has a harp, not afraid to use it* Although I doubt the recording quality would approach the pro stuff in the game.

[tmp7704]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

For presenting at Blizzcon? Maybe ( I doubt it but still ). For creating the video which he posted first at Warcraftmovies,com? Nope.

Which would be unwise, considering the CYA policy that site (and many others) have regarding use of copyrighted works. Check the "COPYRIGHT AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY INFRINGEMENT" section of their terms of use. Yeah i know, "no one cares lol" but ultimately you're asking Charsen to take actual risk (financial risk included) someone may care, simply because you happen to like the song in question.

Obviously, his decision in the end.

[soignee]

to be honest? I'd rather see it toolset related, as I don't want charsen's hard work piddled down the drain, you know? (hello charsen I put words in your mouth, I do it out of lurrveeeeee.)

Modifié par soignee, 22 juin 2010 - 02:49 .

[ejoslin]

Again, as far as music goes, I say go for the least hassle. There is a beautiful song in game, which will keep with the mood, and if it can be used, why import other stuff which may or may not be jarring for people if it has a different theme?

Then again, I'm definitely in the "easy" school -- things are less prone to break if done the smoothest way possible.

Edit: As far as music goes, we all have different tastes, and what I think of beautiful and romantic other people will probably want to barf hairballs up for.  That's really the most compelling reason to keep it with ingame music.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 juin 2010 - 02:54 .

[Costin_Razvan]

tmp7704: And all those videos on that site use custom music not WoW related....if you honestly think that all the authors on the site had gotten permission, then you are simply and bluntly wrong.

Same goes for most mods that use custom music.

You make it out like the risk would be a major one, which I find laughable.

 As far as music goes, we all have different tastes, and what I think of beautiful and romantic other people will probably want to barf hairballs up for.  That's really the most compelling reason to keep it with ingame music.

True enough. 

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 juin 2010 - 02:58 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Not all mucis is Copyrighted. For instance George Lucas lets you use anything from the Star Wars universe as long as it is not in a derogatory manner. Besides I do not think a company has grounds to sue if you simply do something for fun, and dont make a profit off it.

[Costin_Razvan]

I do not know the law for it, but I would think you are right about it....



The BEST example I can think of is Born of Hope LOTR fan video. ( Epic film, almost one and a half hour long ). It uses custom music and intellectual property, and yet they did NOT have a problem with Tolkien's Estate as long as they did not sell it.

[Corker]

10 Big Copyright Myths

Because why argue when there's Google?

Edit: Refers to US Copyright laws.  Not sure how this applies to IP from a Canadian company.  Wikipedia on Canadian copyright law.

Modifié par Corker, 22 juin 2010 - 03:12 .

[tmp7704]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

tmp7704: And all those videos on that site use custom music not WoW related....if you honestly think that all the authors on the site had gotten permission, then you are simply and bluntly wrong.

No, of course large part of them (if not most) didn't. Which renders them wide open for a potential legal action, which is the whole point i was making.

"No one cares" about obscure stuff. But if it gains publicity? That can be another tune altogether. Personally i just don't think it's worth it when there's perfectly good alternative available.

[Costin_Razvan]

You are overestimating companies if you honestly think they will actually file legal action against a fan mod who will at most get about a few ten thousand downloads.

To give my strongest argument. There is a video on WCM.com that has over 2 million viewers, and yet the author did NOT ask for permission to use the over one hundred songs he did in it. And to this day after almost 2 years, no legal action has been taken.

While technically illegal, companies will not take legal action against a fan movie/mod. In fact it is BENEFICIAL for them to allow such movies to be published unhindered, as people will then ask about the Soundtrack and thus the company will get more sales from people buying those songs.

WMG is the exception, but WMG did not take action against movie creators on youtube, but it took action against youtube to remove those songs....and in the end WMG and Youtube reached an agreement. ( because having a trial is an expensive and lengthy affair )

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 juin 2010 - 03:23 .

[Aroihkin]

I doubt anyone would get sued, however the download could be forcibly taken down. I've had a music video yanked off youtube by Toei Animation for using their footage before, though I've had little in the way of problems over music choice.

I don't think it really matters, though. The amount of b*tching Charsen would have to put up with if he picked anything not strictly neutral would probably form a cloud of waaah that could be seen from space. People complain about a 30 Seconds to Mars song playing in the game credits, ffs, and that's in the soundtrack.

*wanders back off again*

(Thanks Sadi and Sannox and anyone else I missed, re: art. <3)

Modifié par Aroihkin, 22 juin 2010 - 03:36 .

[ejoslin]

I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of b!tching no matter what Charsen does. It's one of the most frustrating parts of making mods.