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[Cuddlezarro]

Wade Sells the felons coat after you complete 3 of the main questlines its also about 88 gold

also to post pics on here you need upload them to photobucket or Imageshack and post the link you are given that are in the tags in your post

EDIT: also how I manged to make it look like Dalish Armor I downloaded the winter forge mod and edited its appearance

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 22 février 2010 - 06:44 .

[EccentricSage]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Tonight on the Alexander Cousland and Zev news... the annoying french girl does it AGAIN

also the more I look at these dialogue options the less I like them, option 1 make it seem like im ashamed of being gay (which Xander is not), option 2 is just an out right lie, and options 3 and 4 make it sound like im a straight guy experimenting (which Xander again is not) wheres the "iv been interested in guys since I hit puberty" option!?

Guh.  D:  She is SO poorly writen, designed, programed, animated and voice acted.... And even the dialogue options suck!

Oh man I am so glad when I checked today, her meter was not on romance setting.  I don't want to deal with this, though at least since my Dalish is bi it wouldn't be AS dishonest... but I want an arogent answer option or a blunt option or something...  Trying to reason with Lel is even worse than with Wynne!!  I don't even have the option to be mean to her from what I've seen in her personal dialogues, or to call her out on certain things... I mean, really... You go through Zev with these amazingly varied reactions you can choose for his very intence dialogues with such rich subtext...

And then you have Leliana who will jump from gushing at you about pretty shoes and how she misses the luxury of her past, to how killing was a fun game... and then she tries to claim she's regretful... ugh!!!!  You never see any regret in her features nor hear it in her voice.  She always acts like a helpless child... Even when confronting the woman who betrayed her!  I wanted to laugh in Lel's face when she gave her childish little 'I won't let you hurt people anymore' talk.  Bleh.  Why do people like her?

It's just plain wrong that a glitch in Lel's programing will lead to cheapening the amazing story you have going with Zev.  If I were you I'd go to a recent save game and just get rid of her.  Seriously. 

[Nonvita]

Aviena wrote...
(After "cheating" a little and reading the wiki) I rejected the earring the first time...and no good came of it. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie] Guess my poor elf rejected it a little TOO forcefully. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Did you reject it outright? Hehe, I doubt that goes over too well. You need to ask him if it means something (either asking "So it's not a token of affection?" or "So it's just a reward for helping you?") then turn it down once he tries to deny it.

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Tonight on the Alexander Cousland and Zev news... the annoying french girl does it AGAIN also the more I look at these dialogue options the less I like them, option 1 make it seem like im ashamed of being gay (which Xander is not), option 2 is just an out right lie, and options 3 and 4 make it sound like im a straight guy experimenting (which Xander again is not) wheres the "iv been interested in guys since I hit puberty" option!?

Wow, those really are crappy options, I'm surprised. And I must say, Cuddlezarro, that the mod you're using on Leliana kinda makes her look like a ****... It may not be helping your opinion of her.

Raiynsong wrote...

oh question: where is the "felon armor" I don't think I have seen that... And you talk about changing skins on armor. Is that a mod ?

Yep, it sells at Wade's Emporium, but it costs a pretty penny. I don't find it necessary since there are a couple other pretty good light armor sets for much cheaper (like Wade's Superior Drakeskin). Unless you're playing a rogue and you feel the need to have all 3 rogues decked out in awesome light armor, it's probably not worth the price.

Monica21 wrote...

I don't think you're an Alistair attacker. :-) I think those of us who choose to romance someone have a favorite and for different reasons. I do agree that he wasn't looking at the future in the beginning of the relationship, but once it progresses there's sort of an "oh crap" moment and he starts thinking of everything that's going on and what it all might mean. That's at least one reason why I think it's important to choose the correct dialogue options when you have the "where is this going" conversation. It's not a schoolgirl crush, you're both at war, and you really don't have any idea what's going to happen, so it's at least wise to keep both eyes open in the relationship. I think we agree on that, yes?

And enough about Alistair in a Zevran thread. ;-)

Oh, we do love Alistair in here. We give the boy a bad time, but I can't recall any actual Alistair bashing here. I'd actually romance Alistair more if I weren't completely disinterested in most of the "happy" endings with him. And like ejoslin, I think there's a certain amount of respect going into my HN not romancing him. She already understands how politics work, so she can see ahead of time that things will go poorly if there's love involved, regardless of the outcome. She probably wouldn't romance him beyond a night in the sack anyway, but that's beside the point... He really should be thankful that it means he won't end up dead like he did with my CE (although I still think he's happier that way but that's another conversation).

But as said, enough Alistair in the Zevran thread. XD


To those of you mean and terrible people who told me to write out that conversation, I now have my first piece of Zevran fanfic... BUT, since I have nowhere to upload it, none of you get to see it. Ah well, it exists in my heart and on my computer, and that's fine enough. It's funny that I feel like my HN and Zevran are quite attached now as friends, yet when I load up the game again I'll remember he's never been taken out of the camp and he's at a whopping +13 approval. XD Gotta get to the darn Dalish camp, and quickly!

Modifié par Nonvita, 22 février 2010 - 07:29 .

[Sresla]

Pretty sure you can post it in your blog, Nonvita, like I've done with mine. So (cough), no excuses.

[Nonvita]

Don't have one. =D

[Sabriana]

The 'Shadow of the Empire' armor you can get from the "I'll take your gold. You're good for that" merchant in Orzammar is just as good, but still expensive as all heck. That's the only thing I buy from that particular merchant, btw. She's "good for that?" Stupid oaf, she just cleared out Jarvia's hide-out, and is going into the deep roads to save your favorite, Bhelen.



Nonvita, writing things out is fun. I do that all the time. I started way back when I had to figure out something in regards to his assassination attempt. It was right around the time this thread was born. Ever since then I've been doing that where Zevran is concerned, because there is always so much more around him than the game shows.

No, I don't really see it as fan-fiction, because it's not very coherent, and it will never see the light of day, so to speak, but I love my little "Of treasures and dragons" Zevran journal. It's very personal, and my girls threatened to hurt me if I made it public. My mage even said she'd unleash a tempest. That's gratitude for you

See, I'm not even good at naming my little Zevran write up.



*Sigh* Here I was all ready to play my DCommoner, when I downloaded some new hair and got to playing around with it. Before I knew it, I had another HNF warrior. What the heck is going on here? Am I now becoming addicted to HNF warriors? Who was it that pushed me in that direction anyway? I know it was someone here.



*eyes Addai suspiciously*

[Nonvita]

Whoa there, my armor finally updated! Seriously need something prettier...



I feel you on the addicted to HNF warrior thing. If it weren't for my refusal to play any origin more than once, I think I'd end up with a few of them. My girl just runs in there fearlessly and strikes down anything that comes at her. It's so different than playing a rogue. Heck, was doing Jarvia last night and we (me, Leliana, Dog, and Morrigan) took her down so fast she couldn't even call out her second round of goons. I actually felt bad for losing out on the xp...



I like your idea of a personal journal. My girls definitely get very protective of their time with Zevran, whether romancing him or not. I know my CE would have me stunlocked with a few bleed effects slowing draining my life if I ever started posting their conversations. (Or worse, their time with Isabela... Don't tell her I mentioned it!) She still hasn't forgiven me for letting Alistair die, so I don't want to make her angrier...

And I like your title. I'd probably end up with something stupid like, "Two Crows of a Feather," which is just plain embarrassing. Seriously I'm supposed to be working on schoolwork right now and this is all I can think of. Somebody stop me, I don't think I'm even making sense anymore. How am I supposed to write something coherent about Darfur like this?

[Sabriana]

Your title is far from stupid. Just don't tell Shale, word around camp is that she has a bird-phobia



I feel you with the school-work. In my University days it seemed that all the cool stuff to do always came right in the middle of mid-terms or finals.



My problem with writing is that sometimes I get so stuck. Like on the Wynne/Zevran conversation. I know he must have heard about it, because it seems there are no secrets in camp. Everybody knows everything, such as they all seem to know that Wynne is possessed by a spirit, for example. Even dog is nosy, as Zevran calls him up on that (referring to the 'drool in my pack' conversation).



That was actually one of the funner things to write. I made a whole page out of that one. To Zevran, dogs being companions is something he never experienced, and the relationship my PC has with her dog is intriguing to him.



As for my present stuckiness, Sresla, Jenovan and Creature gave some good advice, but it's not quite what I feel he would say/do. I might have to resort to stealing bits and pieces from all of them, and make the rest up by myself.

[elearon1]

>>Guh. D: She is SO poorly writen, designed, programed, animated and voice acted.... And even the dialogue options suck!<<



Well, I guess not everyone can love her, but I thought her voice acting was wonderful, her script well written, her stories wonderful, and talking to her an absolute delight ... not everyone appreciates a bard, however. (she is a little more fun after you harden her, I think)

[Nonvita]

Sabriana wrote...

Your title is far from stupid. Just don't tell Shale, word around camp is that she has a bird-phobia

Oh don't worry, Shale and I aren't on speaking terms right now. No really, the DLC messed up and I have to redo several hours of work because of it. >.< So her feelings aren't high on my list of priorities right now.
That said, I think if I told Zevran that title he'd say something about Fereldans not making any sense and how a certain degree of artistry needs to go into these things. Though I suppose I could remind him that his terrible poem leaves no room for him to talk about quality...

I will keep the title in mind, however, and pray that the heavens should bless me with something more suitable and exciting.

As for writing, it certainly is a strange beast. Somehow things always play out *perfectly* in your head, but stick the pen to the paper (or, well, start clacking at the keyboard) and you realize that none of it actually made sense... It's good to do it, though. I think DA is a game best played with a lot of imagining on the side (wow I realize how much of the game I made up in my head when replaying it), so this should be a good exercise.

Unfortunately I don't know much about your current predicament, so I can't offer any wise and sagelike advice. Perhaps try writing it out a few different ways and find what's most natural? I'd love to read it and try to help you out, but I wouldn't want to risk adverse weather conditions suddenly emerging in your area because of it.

On that note, it's 1am, I'm rambling, I have a job interview tomorrow (wish me luck! >.<), and class in the morning. Goodnight and good luck!

[Sabriana]

*wishes Nonvita good luck and good nite, even though Nonvita might not see it*

My problem is that I envision Wynne to approach Zevran when she doesn't get anywhere with the Warden. Wynne wishes to play a great big role in the quest (remember the tower, where she claims that she "had help"), and she also wishes to be able to mold the Warden and be her 'adviser', to be able to call the shots.

So far, Sresla's approach looks good to me, she would seek him out when he is all alone, and everyone else is asleep. However, Zevran, at that point is in the 90's and adore, so I imagine that he now knows for certain that there is something inside of him that is larger than life as far as the Warden is concerned. He also is quite sure that he will loose the fight inside him, and that she (PC) is far, far more to him than he could ever have imagined.

So Wynne's meddling will not sit well with him. He is also a very smart man, and he knows that Wynne has ulterior motives. He has an inkling of what they are, after all, he was with the PC when they were in the tower. He also knows that Wynne likes to play the part of the wise teacher and redeemer from his own experiences with her. So he might be able to go right through all the trimmings and be right on target as per her motives.

It would be OOC if he blew up all over her, but he will be angry (including the angry-face). He knows nothing of the conversation between Wynne and the PC. My PC hasn't told him, because she knows that it is hurtful, and she is in love with Zevran at this point. I just don't know what he would say. I know how he would say it, I'm just missing the right words.

[jenovan]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Tonight on the Alexander Cousland and Zev news... the annoying french girl does it AGAIN

also the more I look at these dialogue options the less I like them, option 1 make it seem like im ashamed of being gay (which Xander is not), option 2 is just an out right lie, and options 3 and 4 make it sound like im a straight guy experimenting (which Xander again is not) wheres the "iv been interested in guys since I hit puberty" option!?

... What the.... that's freaking horrible!   And here we thought Bioware was doin' a good job with this stuff. :<


Hmm, only skimmed the thread a bit, but for now--!  Good luck to Nonvita, and good luck with your writing, too, Sabriana ;D  For me, sometimes the only way to figure something out is to try to write it, and it may resolve itself as theh words start to appear...  Buuuut sometimes I end up with nonsense that way, too. :|

[ejoslin]

Raiynsong wrote...

But Zevran is my favorite for all the reasons posted here.  I'm on a City Elf this time and  have just heard the first two stories. It occurred to me that when you ask for his adventures, he always tells ones that end comically and where he doesn't really even kill anyone (or does it accidentally).  Despite his earlier conversations about taking pride in his work, he really doesn't -- or, if he did, he's beginning to regret it.  At first I thought maybe he just wanted to entertain the warden, and not focus so much on the "killer assassin" stuff so she'd become more comfortable with him.  Now, I'm beginning to think he is telling the funny stories because he's not proud of what he did before...  What's your take on this, people ?

I took a wonderful screenie of Zevran today at the Ashes, but can't figure out how to post it ?

The first story he tells, his second mission, he is letting the warden know that he learned, the hard way, not to let his attraction to a target get in the way of his job.  But then he may tell her that she is the exception to that rule.

The second story, with the prince, he actually killed 11 guards.  He knew exactly how many people he killed (read into that what you will).  Actually, I'm not quite sure what to make of that story other than maybe it was another instance where he should have been dead on so many levels but survived.  But it struck me that there was this mad fight going on, and he still knew the exact number of people who he killed.

But those missions are obviously not things he's proud of -- it's not boasting for sure.  I mean, you do hear about one completely successful mission (Isabela's husband), but you hear about it from her -- he's not talking about when he does exactly what he should and it turns out well.

[Sabriana]

Thanks, Jenovan. It's driving me nuts, though. I can't seem to get it right, and I want to read it.

I know, sounds like an odd sentence, but I don't know how to put it in any other way.



Maybe he remembers all his victims because he keeps asking for forgiveness. I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for forgiveness for each and every one of them. He isn't a cold killer, even though he wishes he could have turned ice-cold. If he were ice-cold, none of his victims would bother him, and his life with the Crows would have been so much easier.



Anyway, my PCs take all his stories with a grain of salt after the Fade anyway. Wood-nymphs my foot.

[ejoslin]

Oh, for sure, he covers a lot, if not most, up. I do take his missions as true, though. They're not happy stories, nor are they boasting. They obviously shaped him. He won't talk about his missions until you hit 26+ (after the talk about the future). So it's at that point he's beginning to trust the warden.



You know, as much as we dissect the poetry reading (ummm, "we" may be read "I" I am aware, but I think "we" is the appropriate word there), I do wonder if his talking about sex with someone else there another deflection, because it IS so close, uncomfortable, personal. He's just so awkward and uncomfortable there, unless he's joking with the warden about how he got the poem.

[Sabriana]

Poor Zevran. He wants to test her, because he wants to get to know what makes her tick. And the more he gets to know her the deeper his feelings get. And the deeper his feelings get, the more he gets confused and conflicted. Awwww...



Makes sense to me, Ejoslin. I always said he goes for the shock value to see her reaction(s).

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Poor Zevran. He wants to test her, because he wants to get to know what makes her tick. And the more he gets to know her the deeper his feelings get. And the deeper his feelings get, the more he gets confused and conflicted. Awwww...

Makes sense to me, Ejoslin. I always said he goes for the shock value to see her reaction(s).

Yes, he knows how to charm and seduce men and women (even if you didn't have him melting Morrigan on a bet, just from his job you know this); what he doesn't know is how to romance a woman seriously.  His awkwardness when it comes to that with the warden is so endearing.  He wants so much to win the warden, he's just hopeless when it comes to the actual romancing part.  

I also think he wants her to love him for who he is -- he doesn't want to "win" her.  She is not a conquest, ever.  He approaches her as a friend; even when he finally tries to seduce her, it's not with flattery, but with concern.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 février 2010 - 01:41 .

[Raiynsong]

@ Cuddlezero: wow REALLY bad choices there. There are a couple of points where I felt Bioware didn't give me options but NONE are as bad as that one.

@ Nonvita: good luck!



@ everyone: ok so last night I dreamed I was in a cafe getting an assassin assignment. Sadly, no Zevran in the dream--maybe that comes when I go to the assignment --- but maybe I'm playing this game a bit too much .... (nah)

[Sabriana]

I think so too, Ejoslin. He wants to get close to her, but this time it's neither business nor just pleasure. He's in completely unfamiliar territory, and it shows.

[ejoslin]

*sigh* My dwarf casteless, somehow heights got bugged, so when she goes to make out with Zevran, she passionately kisses his nose. Reloads, zone changes, different armor -- nothing is fixing this. So I guess it's time for another Alistair hate playthrough -- this time with a human noble. We'll see if he gets married at hostile -- I genuinely hope NOT!  But since he'll marry her at 0 neutral, and he'll marry Anora, it just don't know!

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 février 2010 - 02:40 .

[Sabriana]

Ouch. Sorry to hear about your DC. Although it is funny to imagine it. No offense, I know it's a bummer when a play has to be ditched.

Good luck with your HNF. I wonder what would make her hate Alistair that much...

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Ouch. Sorry to hear about your DC. Although it is funny to imagine it. No offense, I know it's a bummer when a play has to be ditched.
Good luck with your HNF. I wonder what would make her hate Alistair that much...

The fact that he forgot that her entire family was slaughtered.  His forgetting, inexcusable.  She brings up in Lothering that she needs to find Fergus, so it's not like he didn't get reminders.  But she's viewing things through her own grief, so she probably will tick him off by not being completely sympathetic to his own mourning.

And she won't even hate him -- he'll hate her, though.  She doesn't hate anyone -- she's pretty easy going and fun loving normally.  But she is no good at handling other's grief, especially when coming to terms with her own.  She may end up snapping at him a few times.  But he will start to hate her when she decides that it's too risky to go to the circle.  She won't try to persuade him -- she won't feel she needs to.

Edit: The reason she will let Isolde sacrifice herself -- she just saw too many families torn apart in Redcliff.  It's not that she wants to punish Isolde, it's that she wants to stop the death, at once, and not risk anyone else.  Her own mother sacrificed her life so she (Elissa) would have a better chance to get out of Highever; she understands a mother making that sacrifice.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[Sabriana]

Yeah, that was terrible. Oren and Oriana were bad. Dairren/Iona was bad as well. But your father bleeding to death and your mother sacrificing herself, now that really upset me.

I always wondered why the HNF/M (do the male PC's get that line? I would think they do, it's not tied to a romance, I think) was not allowed to at least get emotional over the massacre at Highever even once. Especially after the "Oh. I forgot." line. I don't  mean po'd, but emotionally upset like in "You forgot? My whole house, including most of my family was slaughtered, and you 'forgot'?"

I can imagine that the PC, who has started to trust her fellow Warden by that point, and might even feel some kind of fellowship, would feel like she's just been kicked in the head. Hard. So your HNF's reaction is very understandable.

Good thinking with the Eleanor/Isolde connection. Yes, a HN should know all about a mother's sacrifice.


Edited for self-defense: Please, nobody kick me or scream at me. The 'sacrifice' connection is the only thing the two women have in common. Eleanor was a cool, kick-butt mom, whereas Isolde.... well, the less said the better.

Modifié par Sabriana, 22 février 2010 - 03:41 .

[Ramante]

Sabriana wrote...
Edited for self-defense: Please, nobody kick me or scream at me. The 'sacrifice' connection is the only thing the two women have in common. Eleanor was a cool, kick-butt mom, whereas Isolde.... well, the less said the better.

Isolde is just a terrible mother... Eleanor was great, it was really cool to fight together with mom. I understand (a little) why she doesn't want her child to be a mage, but during my mage playthrough I just wanted to kill her and I didn't feel sorry about it at all. During my human noble playthroughs I always save Connor and Isolde because I don't want to break up the family after having been through the same.
I really don't like her, she has an annoying voice and the fact that the first thing she says to the Warden is 'Who is this woman?' really makes me wanna hit her in the face.

I wonder if you kill Connor (or kill Isolde) does Zevran have some interesting lines? I have never taken him to Redcliff during that encounter.

I want him to hit love with my arcane warrior, but I have to finish the Dalish quest and need to do the entire Orzammar part before the landsmeet starts. It is really frustrating that it will take hours before I meet Taliesen.

Leliana still can't take no for an answer, I need to find a way to kill her. x.x

Modifié par Ramante, 22 février 2010 - 03:54 .

[Addai]

Just take him everywhere in Orzammar and you'll get some insights with him. It is, indeed, a long slog until the Landsmeet.