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[ejoslin]

Just turning off the romance, telling Zevran you're not interested, does not result in an approval hit. Breaking up with him, HUGE hit. Choosing romance starter lines then rejecting him, approval hit. It makes sense. I generally avoid "Zevran bashers" when they make points like this because, really, their issue is more about what Zevran represents, not what is actually said.

[Sabriana]

Yes, like I said before, I understand that too. If someone did that to me I'd be major po'd. I don't like being led around by the nose. If you're not interested, say so, and all's good.

I have to make a game just to see how truly hard it is to tell him 'no thank you, not now, not ever' right off. Is the "reject all romance right away" line(s) so hard to distinguish?

I've just been going by what I read, and I just learned tonight that it is much better to do it yourself. Unless I come here, of course. What's the American saying? "Present company excluded". I believe every word you all say
Flemeth was so right, sigh.

Modifié par Sabriana, 24 février 2010 - 08:01 .

[ejoslin]

Ok, to turn off the romance completely, I did take a small approval hit (I think). Not the initial rejection, but the absolute turn off completely (at least, did not get as many approval as I normally do in that conversation). HOWEVER, I heard a line that bugs me. He said, "Try to kill a woman twice and she turns icy on me." Alistair also says in banter that Zevran tried to kill them more than once. But there is only the one attempt, right? Or am I missing something MAJOR?

[Addai]

@sabriana:  Oooh, the amazon makes an avatar appearance.

*sigh* I wish our game would upload, so that I could update mine- game hasn't been able to upload in months. Not that I don't like my first HNF character, but I've moved on and so should she.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[Cuddlezarro]

zevran attacking you twice when he clearly only tries to kill you once would be a plot hole and a gaping one at that

[Ramante]

I find it really strange that Zevran gets no approval hit when you save the Dalish. He practically begs me not to kill them, but when I agree with him I don't get a +x approval.



Another really weird thing, 5 hours ago (in gaming time) I choose Zevran and not Leliana during a conversation with Zevran. I got a -25 from Leliana, now I finally decided to talk to her (first time since 'the 'break up') and I get the 'I know what you're going to say, you have chosen him..' conversation. And I get another -15 from her. Seriously what the hell, if she continues like this she's going to -100 very quickly.

[Addai]

Ramante wrote...

I find it really strange that Zevran gets no approval hit when you save the Dalish. He practically begs me not to kill them, but when I agree with him I don't get a +x approval.

Hm, I got an approval bump from him for backing down, but I don't recall exactly how the conversation went.  One of these days I'll learn to take screenshots.

[ejoslin]

Ramante wrote...

I find it really strange that Zevran gets no approval hit when you save the Dalish. He practically begs me not to kill them, but when I agree with him I don't get a +x approval.

Another really weird thing, 5 hours ago (in gaming time) I choose Zevran and not Leliana during a conversation with Zevran. I got a -25 from Leliana, now I finally decided to talk to her (first time since 'the 'break up') and I get the 'I know what you're going to say, you have chosen him..' conversation. And I get another -15 from her. Seriously what the hell, if she continues like this she's going to -100 very quickly.

I get +4 when I let Zevran convince my warden to let them live -- it may happen after the fight.

And you must be a little harsh in your breakups with her!  I generally get -15 when talking to Zevran and an additional -10 when talking to her.  *grin* She may just like you better too. 

Edit: And yes, I think it would be a huge plot hole as well.  It's just two instances in the game there's specific dialog that says there was more than one attempt, but I only know of the one.  Perhaps there was a second one that was taken out.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 février 2010 - 08:13 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Ramante you are talking about Leliena here



aka the overy clingy assassin spy who falls in love with you no matter how hard you tell her to **** off



her losing that much approval isnt OoC for her at all

[Sabriana]

Yes, my amazon finally got here. I think I have to go back to the Char Creator and turn her a bit. From this angle she looks too much like my rogue. But maybe not, maybe I get used to it



Ejoslin he did only try once in game. Otherwise it makes no sense. Even my Zevran-girls would think twice about trusting anyone who tried to kill them twice. Once, and with his explanations, ok. But twice. No. None of my girls are idiots. Some are weird, but none are stupid.

[Ramante]

ejoslin wrote...

Ramante wrote...

I find it really strange that Zevran gets no approval hit when you save the Dalish. He practically begs me not to kill them, but when I agree with him I don't get a +x approval.

Another really weird thing, 5 hours ago (in gaming time) I choose Zevran and not Leliana during a conversation with Zevran. I got a -25 from Leliana, now I finally decided to talk to her (first time since 'the 'break up') and I get the 'I know what you're going to say, you have chosen him..' conversation. And I get another -15 from her. Seriously what the hell, if she continues like this she's going to -100 very quickly.

I get +4 when I let Zevran convince my warden to let them live -- it may happen after the fight.

And you must be a little harsh in your breakups with her!  I generally get -15 when talking to Zevran and an additional -10 when talking to her.  *grin* She may just like you better too. 

Hmm.. I only got +4 from Shale. Maybe I didn't choose the right things to say. I tried it once with 'you're used to a little killing/murder.' and once with 'you disagree?'. After he says his thing I agree with him or should I push him further?

I'm the greatest *** to her during the breakups (it is even crazy that I have to say breakups, normal people back down after one). It might be the problem that I took her with me to a lot of main quests and I got a lot of (unwanted) approval from her there. I always fall for the shoes and hair conversations, I got to fix that during my next playthrough.

[Nonvita]

Ramante wrote...
Seriously what the hell, if she continues like this she's going to -100 very quickly.

Is that really such a bad thing?...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: And yes, I think it would be a huge plot hole as well.  It's just two instances in the game there's specific dialog that says there was more than one attempt, but I only know of the one.  Perhaps there was a second one that was taken out.

I want an explanation on this, as well. It would be interesting (and concerning) to know if they originally planned a second attack by him. I wouldn't understand it at all, though, as nothing in his story suggests a reason for him to try again.

[Cuddlezarro]

HA I think I know where Zevran tried to "kill" you the second time... in your tent!



he does lay out rules of engagement for your "duel" if you say the right things during the get in my tent talk :3

[ejoslin]

If you have more than two people giving (dis)approval for a conversation, only two show, but you get the points for all (like sparing Branka -- that usually involves at least three of the party members). But there are also instances, where if the party member does not get the cutscene (Warden's Keep comes to mind), you don't get the approval either. But you know, Zevran there is worth hearing, with or without approval.

[Sabriana]

I am not feeling very happy right now. Because no matter how you look at it, no PC of mine would ever allow an assassin into her group if he tried to kill them twice. Not only that, the whole set-up of the romance would be wonked out. Bleh.

I am not a happy camper. I thought that the Alistair/Leliana conversation was just a slip up, but since it is mentioned twice, I'm rather disappointed.

[Ramante]

Nonvita wrote...

Ramante wrote...
Seriously what the hell, if she continues like this she's going to -100 very quickly.

Is that really such a bad thing?...

Good point.

her losing that much approval isnt OoC for her at all

OoC? (language handicap)

The Nature of the Beast quest took me 4 hours, I hope Zevran appreciates the fact that I run through that forest 6 times just to hear him say those things. I hate this thread, it makes me want to play almost every part of the game again just for some cute elf.

[Cuddlezarro]

Sabriana wrote...

I am not feeling very happy right now. Because no matter how you look at it, no PC of mine would ever allow an assassin into her group if he tried to kill them twice. Not only that, the whole set-up of the romance would be wonked out. Bleh.
I am not a happy camper. I thought that the Alistair/Leliana conversation was just a slip up, but since it is mentioned twice, I'm rather disappointed.

it is a slip up

he never tries to attack you more than one time in game its a glaring massive plot hole

OoC? (language handicap)

out of character

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 24 février 2010 - 08:35 .

[jenovan]

Ramante wrote...
Another really weird thing, 5 hours ago (in gaming time) I choose Zevran and not Leliana during a conversation with Zevran. I got a -25 from Leliana, now I finally decided to talk to her (first time since 'the 'break up') and I get the 'I know what you're going to say, you have chosen him..' conversation. And I get another -15 from her. Seriously what the hell, if she continues like this she's going to -100 very quickly.

I actually had that happen once when my PC had to choose between Morrigan and Zevran. He talked to Morrigan, and before he even talked to Zevran, he got like a -25 or so.  (I guess he overheard!)  But I've done the same manuever other times and not had that happen.  I wonder if it has to do with the dumpee's level of affection?


Re: The two assassination attempts... wow, that is crazy. oO  If it were just the Alistair and Leli thing, I could see it as a slip, and if it were just Zevran I might wonder if it were a mental fake-out to get back at you for turning him down!  ("Wait, he tried twice?! When..?!"   but both.... yeah, a PC would have to be loony to trust him after that. :/

[Sabriana]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I am not feeling very happy right now. Because no matter how you look at it, no PC of mine would ever allow an assassin into her group if he tried to kill them twice. Not only that, the whole set-up of the romance would be wonked out. Bleh.
I am not a happy camper. I thought that the Alistair/Leliana conversation was just a slip up, but since it is mentioned twice, I'm rather disappointed.

it is a slip up

he never tries to attack you more than one time in game its a glaring massive plot hole

It is a slip up, but it bothers me. I know such an action could not be overlooked, it would be a major action, after all to have him try again after the first time around.

Thanks for trying to cheer me up, CZ. I know I'll get over it, I just have to make up a scenario where that would make sense, else it will be jarring should I come across it while playing.

Mind you, the possibility is low, because it's a romance rejection (if I understood Ejoslin correctly), but still...

By the way, another poster in the 'best friends' thread just posted she received a +2 for making it clear that she only wanted to be buddies with Zevran. That sounds more like Zevran to me. Unless you lead him around by the nose, I would think he'd appreciate clear guidelines.

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

Ramante wrote...
Another really weird thing, 5 hours ago (in gaming time) I choose Zevran and not Leliana during a conversation with Zevran. I got a -25 from Leliana, now I finally decided to talk to her (first time since 'the 'break up') and I get the 'I know what you're going to say, you have chosen him..' conversation. And I get another -15 from her. Seriously what the hell, if she continues like this she's going to -100 very quickly.

I actually had that happen once when my PC had to choose between Morrigan and Zevran. He talked to Morrigan, and before he even talked to Zevran, he got like a -25 or so.  (I guess he overheard!)  But I've done the same manuever other times and not had that happen.  I wonder if it has to do with the dumpee's level of affection?


Re: The two assassination attempts... wow, that is crazy. oO  If it were just the Alistair and Leli thing, I could see it as a slip, and if it were just Zevran I might wonder if it were a mental fake-out to get back at you for turning him down!  ("Wait, he tried twice?! When..?!"   but both.... yeah, a PC would have to be loony to trust him after that. :/

If anyone is wondering, this is where it is (no screen shots, sorry).  He has to be in the friendzone or else the dialog tree doesn't show up (either neutral or warm).  It's the first mission conversation.  Tell him he doesn't have to talk if he doesn't want.  When he asks for a kiss, choose, "You want to kiss me?" This is a friendzone dialog choice only.  Anyway, he responds, then you can tell him, "Please don't do that."  It turns off the romance permanently, and gives you the line about trying to kill a woman twice (if a FemWarden of course).

Edit: And yes, as much as I love Zevran, had there been a second attempt, he would have been dead.  Which may be why if there was originally a second attempt, it was taken out.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 février 2010 - 08:43 .

[Sabriana]

jenovan wrote...


Re: The two assassination attempts... wow, that is crazy. oO  If it were just the Alistair and Leli thing, I could see it as a slip, and if it were just Zevran I might wonder if it were a mental fake-out to get back at you for turning him down!  ("Wait, he tried twice?! When..?!"   but both.... yeah, a PC would have to be loony to trust him after that. :/

Jenovan to the rescue

That's not a bad idea. Alistair/Leliana conversation = Alistair is jealous. Zevran's comment = psych out.

[Cuddlezarro]

I just have to make up a scenario where that would make sense, else it will be jarring should I come across it while playing.

use my suggestion in my previous post! that or you two took a sparring session a bit to far(no intensional on both your parts things just got out of hand) both work

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 24 février 2010 - 08:45 .

[Jaulen]

Yeah, doing a break up with Zevran, I've gotten a total of a -53 before.

Get some double hits from Alisatir too, but no where on the level of what I've gotten from Zev.



I think character A will handle it better if you dump A first instead of telling character B you pick B over A, and then go talk to A. It just seems to be more inscincere to say "Hey! I choose You!" then you to the other person and try to say "Oh, I'm sorry." Like really, how sorry can you be? I've always thought the "I'm sorry to tell you I dump you after you probably already know" kind of seems like gloating.

[ejoslin]

Jaulen wrote...

Yeah, doing a break up with Zevran, I've gotten a total of a -53 before.
Get some double hits from Alisatir too, but no where on the level of what I've gotten from Zev.

I think character A will handle it better if you dump A first instead of telling character B you pick B over A, and then go talk to A. It just seems to be more inscincere to say "Hey! I choose You!" then you to the other person and try to say "Oh, I'm sorry." Like really, how sorry can you be? I've always thought the "I'm sorry to tell you I dump you after you probably already know" kind of seems like gloating.

This depends.  With Alistair, if I choose Zevran while talking to Alistair, I take a huge approval hit, whereas if I talk to Zevran, I usually get an approval gain from Alistair.  It also depends on how both conversations go.

[Creature 1]

Maybe there was originally some idea of having the option to spare him a second time if he turned on you and joined Taliesin, it got taken out, but some dialogue snippets got left behind.



Or you could figure he just had a good go at you twice during the initial ambush.