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[ejoslin]

Anything Zevran says in that low voice is super squee . . .

[Ramante]

Sabriana wrote...

Ramante wrote...

You are terrible!!!
Now I'm curious about the super-squee responses.

Repeat after me, and put down thy Zevran chant, as do we all:

F5 F9
F5 F9
F5 F9

For they are our best friends, and shall always be so.

"We are ridiculously awesome."

I regret I asked about the earring thing, I already know I won't be sleeping much tonight, now I'm going to make wild fantasies of that encounter. Thanks guys.

[Addai]

Nonvita wrote...

Just make sure you save once you enter the Back Alley. It really is a section worth replaying a few times.

Agreed!

I saved a screen from my first Zevran-romance character for posterity.  It gives me goosebumps.

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

Anything Zevran says in that low voice is super squee . . .

I love that about his voice. I also like it when he rambles and sort of trips over his words. I can't think of a great example right now, but he seriously has so many lines that can contend with Alistair for sexy voice squeeness.

EDIT: And nice screenshot, Addai! Coming across it the first time was so unexpected. Of course it was obvious it would happen eventually, but when it finally did it was so surreal to finally see Taliesan and to know it really was Zevran's break from the Crows. Saying "Zevran belongs with me now" is still one of my happiest moments.

Modifié par Nonvita, 24 février 2010 - 09:43 .

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Anything Zevran says in that low voice is super squee . . .

I love that about his voice. I also like it when he rambles and sort of trips over his words. I can't think of a great example right now, but he seriously has so many lines that can contend with Alistair for sexy voice squeeness.

His voice . . . whether he's sounding deadly or protective, just wow.  I think the sexiest line in game (and grants you a HUGE approval loss but SO worth it)

Zevran: Do you hear me laughing?  This need not be a complicated thing. You are a beautiful and fascinating woman.  I am . . . who I am.  Is there any reason why we should not enjoy each other's company?

But really, he usually has so much laughter in his voice, and I love that as well.  I prefer his voice to Alistair's and that's saying a lot, because Alistair's voice is pure sex.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 février 2010 - 09:51 .

[_- Songlian -]

ejoslin wrote...

But really, he usually has so much laughter in his voice, and I love that as well.  I prefer his voice to Alistair's and that's saying a lot, because Alistair's voice is pure sex.

Zev's voice is awesome, but not without fault, as far as I am concerned. I like Mr. Curry's voice most when he delivers neutral lines, for instance when he's telling you tales of his adventures. I'm not liking it so much when he's delivering  -- for a lack of a better word right now -- lustful lines. In my humble opinion, he goes a bit over the top. A tad more subtle would have played much better with me. 

As far as voices go, I prefer Riordan's even over Zev's. Just the right amount of French, thank you. And if Mr. Templeman wouldn't scream so much, Loghain's too. As for Mr. Valentine, through I'm not particularly fond of his tone, he's a master when it comes to VA. 

[Sresla]

Hmm. A double assassination attempt where the PC still allows Zevran to live, one that does not have both tries taking place during the initial encounter... Sounds like a writer's challenge, to me. Tricky, but doable, I think - more than anything it would depend on the PC so what might be in the realm of possibility for my character might be OOC for another. Gives me something to ponder, certainly.

[Cuddlezarro]

Riordan has an incredibly sexy voice IMO and Im some one who doesnt even like french accents

Morrigan as well but I just have an unholy love for Claudia black

it took me a while to get used to Zevs voice acting

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 24 février 2010 - 10:17 .

[EccentricSage]

It's funny... When I saw the trailer and a few youtube clips, I thought Zev's voice sounded a bit over the top and cheesy. But then I was surprised to find, when I was playing the game, I instantly loved that voice. It grew on me further with the moments where you'd subtly hear hints of emotions in his voice that he's trying to hide... And the over the top quality of some of the scenes actually work because no one can accuse Zevran of being subtle in some of his dialogue. lol Over all, with Zevran everyone did a perfect job and it all fit together perfectly to create a character who could be that flamboyant and outrageous without being a cartoon.



I'm really impressed with most of the VA in this, except for Lelianas... her voice is beautiful, and cute, but emotional scenes just don't come across very convincing. At best she comes off as a bad girl with a Marry-Sue complex who's just really bad at subterfuge... but that contradicts her history... she's supposed to be GOOD at what she did. e__e

[AndreaDraco]

I had the same experience Sage*: in the trailer I wasn't so keen on Zev's voice, but as soon as I encountered him in the game ('The Crows send their regards') I was instantly convinced.





* By the way, are you by any chance the 'Sage' from AdventureGamers.com? If so, glad to see you here!

[Nonvita]

EccentricSage wrote...

It's funny... When I saw the trailer and a few youtube clips, I thought Zev's voice sounded a bit over the top and cheesy. But then I was surprised to find, when I was playing the game, I instantly loved that voice. It grew on me further with the moments where you'd subtly hear hints of emotions in his voice that he's trying to hide... And the over the top quality of some of the scenes actually work because no one can accuse Zevran of being subtle in some of his dialogue. lol Over all, with Zevran everyone did a perfect job and it all fit together perfectly to create a character who could be that flamboyant and outrageous without being a cartoon.

I'm really impressed with most of the VA in this, except for Lelianas... her voice is beautiful, and cute, but emotional scenes just don't come across very convincing. At best she comes off as a bad girl with a Marry-Sue complex who's just really bad at subterfuge... but that contradicts her history... she's supposed to be GOOD at what she did. e__e

Definitely the same for me on Zevran. I think it's unfortunate that the trailers tend to highlight his more eccentric qualities (that are offputting to some people), but I guess it makes it all the better for those of us who dig deeper. Once you start talking to him, his voice is seriously addictive.

Although I'd disagree about Leliana. Her appeal (and therefore success as a bard) is the fact that her voice is always sweet. It doesn't betray emotions or sound harsh even in difficult times. It means it's not always as appealing in this setting, when she should be showing emotion, but it's perfect for someone who's playing an act.

I agree that all the voices are extremely well done, though.

[EccentricSage]

AndreaDraco wrote...

I had the same experience Sage*: in the trailer I wasn't so keen on Zev's voice, but as soon as I encountered him in the game ('The Crows send their regards') I was instantly convinced.


* By the way, are you by any chance the 'Sage' from AdventureGamers.com? If so, glad to see you here!

Oh, that line... And the way he bows as he backs away and has that bit of swager to his walk at the end... He's just so smooth.  I even couldn't help but be turned on by the sinister smile on his face when he tried to kill my party.  LOL  I can see why his victims would lay with him willingly, knowing their death was inevitable.  Hot damn.

I'm actually not.  XD  Is the other Sage "EccentricSage", too?  There's only been a couple of times I found others with the same name elsewhere, and I do normally use EccentricSage or ExentricSage everywhere online.

It's nice to meet you, though. 

[AndreaDraco]

Nice to meet you too! And yes, way hot

[Creature 1]

EccentricSage wrote...
I can see why his victims would lay with him willingly, knowing their death was inevitable.  Hot damn.

I actually find that really squicky and depressing. 

[ejoslin]

Well, I'm not going to bottom out my Alistair approval this game, I can tell already. It will be low enough, though, to see if he'll marry while in-the-red hostile. It will be interesting trying to kill Caridin without a mage in my party -- traps don't work too well against golems, but paralyze runes do, so . . . I'm not even sure if I'll get an Alistair approval hit. BUT tomorrow I should be able to make that decision. I'm really hoping he tells my Cousland to go suck an egg.



If he does . . . long live Queen Anora!

[EccentricSage]

Creature 1 wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...
I can see why his victims would lay with him willingly, knowing their death was inevitable.  Hot damn.

I actually find that really squicky and depressing. 

XD  I don't know what squicky means, but I am sorry to depress you.

I mean... If I had a writ of exacution on me and knew there was no escaping the fate... well.. can I have a last request?  Heh heh

It would be best getting Zevran, because he doesn't want his victims to suffer and seems to enjoy the thought of them leaving on a bit of a high note.... As men always say... 'Oh what a way to go!'

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

Well, I'm not going to bottom out my
Alistair approval this game, I can tell already. It will be low enough,
though, to see if he'll marry while in-the-red hostile.

Aw, so nothing worked? Well I can't wait to hear what happens. If he does marry her at hostile, I may end up replaying my HN as a much nastier person than she has been this playthrough. =P

[Creature 1]

EccentricSage wrote...
XD  I don't know what squicky means, but I am sorry to depress you.

Squicky means inducing a feeling of repulsion and disgust.

I mean... If I had a writ of exacution on me and knew there was no escaping the fate... well.. can I have a last request?  Heh heh

It would be best getting Zevran, because he doesn't want his victims to suffer and seems to enjoy the thought of them leaving on a bit of a high note.... As men always say... 'Oh what a way to go!'

Are you a guy?  Maybe that thinking is a guy thing.  To me, and I think to most women, and to law enforcement!, that situation would be rape.  I think to anyone except the most oddly wired actually ending up in a situation like that would be extremely distressing and humiliating. 

The fact that Zevran sees no problem with this and doesn't consider it to be rape I think says more about how being abused totally ****ed up his mind.  Apparently he's so inured to abuse that he can have sex with someone he hates without suffering emotional distress, and it doesn't compute that other people don't operate the same way. 

How we think we would react to a situation is by no means how we actually would react, people tend to do a lousy job predicting their reactions. 

[Nonvita]

Creature 1 wrote...

Are you a guy?  Maybe that thinking is a guy thing.  To me, and I think to most women, and to law enforcement!, that situation would be rape.  I think to anyone except the most oddly wired actually ending up in a situation like that would be extremely distressing and humiliating. 

The fact that Zevran sees no problem with this and doesn't consider it to be rape I think says more about how being abused totally ****ed up his mind.  Apparently he's so inured to abuse that he can have sex with someone he hates without suffering emotional distress, and it doesn't compute that other people don't operate the same way. 

How we think we would react to a situation is by no means how we actually would react, people tend to do a lousy job predicting their reactions. 

That is true, but at the same time I don't think it's impossible to believe there could be a cultural acceptance of such practices as this. Just look at ancient Rome- there were some seriously crazy sexual things going on there (it was okay for men to have sex with other men, so long as the one receiving was a slave; there were sexual rituals where lots of people would gather to watch a couple have sex in front of them; incest was not uncommon; adultery was quite common; etc etc), so it seems the cultural reaction to sex was simply much different than our reactions now.
I'm sure that *I* would feel horrified at the thought of such an encounter, but who's to say that Antivan culture didn't in some way accept or encourage such practices? It just seems from what he says that sex is regarded very differently in Antiva.

[ejoslin]

Creature 1, I know this wasn't anywhere near what you were trying to say, but going with what you're saying, it adds a whole different dimension to Zevran viewing sex as an expression of love with the warden.

Edit: Huge snip because I decided I didn't want to go there.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 01:37 .

[EccentricSage]

Creature 1 wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...
XD  I don't know what squicky means, but I am sorry to depress you.

Squicky means inducing a feeling of repulsion and disgust.

I mean... If I had a writ of exacution on me and knew there was no escaping the fate... well.. can I have a last request?  Heh heh

It would be best getting Zevran, because he doesn't want his victims to suffer and seems to enjoy the thought of them leaving on a bit of a high note.... As men always say... 'Oh what a way to go!'

Are you a guy?  Maybe that thinking is a guy thing.  To me, and I think to most women, and to law enforcement!, that situation would be rape.  I think to anyone except the most oddly wired actually ending up in a situation like that would be extremely distressing and humiliating. 

The fact that Zevran sees no problem with this and doesn't consider it to be rape I think says more about how being abused totally ****ed up his mind.  Apparently he's so inured to abuse that he can have sex with someone he hates without suffering emotional distress, and it doesn't compute that other people don't operate the same way. 

How we think we would react to a situation is by no means how we actually would react, people tend to do a lousy job predicting their reactions. 

Relax, ok?  And I'm a woman.  And I think law enforcement would be more worried about the murder part since the sexual part would have been, in such a scenario, technically consentual.  Personally I was interpretting his stories as the women being willing, not raped.  But it's all realy up for personal interpretation, I guess.  I'm not thinking in terms of how things are in our world, but rather in that fantasy world.  Anything is ok in fantasy so long as it stays in fantasy.  If you disagree, that's fine, but it wasn't said to upset you. 

I'm just a perv who thinks like a guy aparently.  No worries. 

And to clarify, the initial offending post had only been meant as pervy fantasy... not... as though I was condoning such things in actuality as you inferred.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 25 février 2010 - 01:41 .

[ejoslin]

One further thought -- I'm not sure that you could classify as what Zevran did as rape any more than you could classify what Leliana did as rape. Despicable on many levels, yes, but not rape. Take Isabela as an example -- a woman he definitely used sex to carry out his mission, but there's no way that could ever be considered rape.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 01:41 .

[Creature 1]

EccentricSage wrote...
Relax, ok?  And I'm a woman.  And I think law enforcement would be more worried about the murder part since the sexual part would have been, in such a scenario, technically consentual. 

No, actually, it wouldn't be consensual, because the context is "If I'm not having sex with you, I'm killing you."  That's coercion, and that means it's rape.  Scary implications of this scenario not being rape include "if he's hot, it's not rape" and "if you got turned on, it wasn't rape". 

Personally I was interpretting his stories as the women being willing, not raped.  But it's all realy up for personal interpretation, I guess.  I'm not thinking in terms of how things are in our world, but rather in that fantasy world.  Anything is ok in fantasy so long as it stays in fantasy.  If you disagree, that's fine, but it wasn't said to upset you. 

I think this is part of the problem.  DA devs thought, "Oh, it's dark fantasy, so have him have sex with people who know what he's planning before killing them, that will be cool and dark."  But they didn't really handle it in a realistic way, they handled it in a frivolous way.  I guess I like my dark fantasy realistic. 

[Creature 1]

Nonvita wrote...
I'm sure that *I* would feel horrified at the thought of such an encounter, but who's to say that Antivan culture didn't in some way accept or encourage such practices? It just seems from what he says that sex is regarded very differently in Antiva.

I think it's more a basic human nature, self-preservation, self-determination thing.  Even people with extremely casual attitudes towards sex are vulnerable to rape. 

[Creature 1]

ejoslin wrote...
Take Isabela as an example -- a woman he definitely used sex to carry out his mission, but there's no way that could ever be considered rape.

Unless I'm mistaken, Isabela had no idea what he was up to.  He deceived her, but didn't coerce her.  The mage and the woman who gave him the bad poetry knew he was planning on killing them whenever he lost interest in the entertainment they could provide or just ran out of time.  That's coercion.