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[ejoslin]

Wow, I just tested the Zevran talk, and choose "I'm sorry" instead of, "this doesn't have to end." THAT has got to be Zevran at his most honorable. Geez, I love him more! I'm going to post the transcription, but you'd have to hear his voice to understand how wonderful he is. He sounds so loving -- ugh.

SPOILER:

Zevran: So... you have heard the rumor about the future queen? She has this elven fellow on the side. Handsome, naturally.
Warden: Naturally.
Zevran: He is no dummy either, let me tell you.
Zevran: I know how things are. I shall make it easy for you. What we have... if it can no longer be, then it can no longer be.
Warden: I'm sorry, Zevran.
Zevran: No, no, do not be sorry, I am not. (his voice here -- wow, so much love)
Zevran: You have made a fine match. And if he proves a poor husband... then you know who to hire, yes? (laughs)
Zevran: Ahhh assassination jokes, will they never grow old? Come, let us return to the task at hand.

Of course I reloaded!  The worst part is, no approval loss at all.  So we're back to the royal scandal. 

It is so sad, you get Zevran's most loving moments when he is hurt, and this is no exception. It also makes me sure that his royal scandal joke is nothing but a cover as well.  Bleh, I may go right back to my hostile game!  I still have that saved at redcliff!

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 06:11 .

[Cuddlezarro]

I still have never seen zevs royal scandal talk then again the only time iv married Anora I was romancing Morrigan and she seemed rather happy with the arrangement



ill probably take screenies of it when I get to the landsmeet but Im still trudging through the deeproads

[ejoslin]

Zevran's royal scandal talk is interesting. He makes a joke, a couple in fact, but he's obviously upset, even though he and the warden are staying together. I can post the transcription to that variant as well.  He loves the warden enough to stay, but he's hurt. I've just never dumped him at that point before -- and I still am feeling a little achey around the heart after hearing the way he handled it. 

So I reloaded my hostile game. THIS time, Zevran gets the HNF 100%.

Edit: But there IS a new dialog selection to the hate speech if you get it after you made him king!  I won't post the whole transcription (I've done too much typing today as it is) but at the end you get this:

Alistair: I guess I'll have to be satisfied with you actually helping to stop the Blight, won't I? If that's still your intention.  I can't do it on my own.
Warden: So says the king of Ferelden.  Sad, really.
Alistair: Let's just go. I don't want to talk to you any more.

Edit: And Alistair actually needs the persuade check at hostile to do the ritual.  So I guess . . . Long live Queen Anora!  But there is a bug at the gates -- if you take Alistair with you, it cuts off after talking to him so no Zevran "dark city," dialog.  Thank goodness for the magic of reload.  Because Alistair IS dying (I hope he is, at least; we'll see how anxious he is to take that blow if he hates the warden) and I AM hearing that dialog!

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 07:42 .

[Creature 1]

ejoslin wrote...
Alistair: I guess I'll have to be satisfied with you actually helping to stop the Blight, won't I? If that's still your intention.  I can't do it on my own.
Warden: So says the king of Ferelden.  Sad, really.
Alistair: Let's just go. I don't want to talk to you any more.

Wow.  If he survives he'll be truly heroic if he doesn't use his new authority to get you arrested and beheaded! 

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Alistair: I guess I'll have to be satisfied with you actually helping to stop the Blight, won't I? If that's still your intention.  I can't do it on my own.
Warden: So says the king of Ferelden.  Sad, really.
Alistair: Let's just go. I don't want to talk to you any more.

Wow.  If he survives he'll be truly heroic if he doesn't use his new authority to get you arrested and beheaded! 

One of us will be archdemon food within the hour.  Chances are it will be him.  But he wouldn't do that to his new Chancellor anyway!

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 07:25 .

[Jaulen]

Ooohhhhhh....can't wait to see if a hostile Alistair will override the Warden to take the final blow. I know I was able to talk Loghain out of taking the final blow....(let him be redeemed and rememnered as a hero? No way!!!). But I don't recall what his approval level was at. I think it was less than 40.



I don't know if I want to continue playing my DE, it's so depressing when no one likes you and she gives what for her would be a resonable response to a conversation, and gets - approval.....ah! She's been in the woods too long.



I am going through game withdrawl!!! My parents are in town visiting, so it's nightly scrabble games instead of DA:O......and I get challenged on words like 'vox' and 'congee' while my mother defiantly states (even with black and white proof to the contrary) that 'honories' is not a word. *sigh*

[ejoslin]

Hostile Alistair wants to take the blow as well. I actually really liked this ending. His dialog was probably very similar to any unhardened Alistair at that point.  But he was very honorable, as always.  Made me like the character even more. There's a lot good about Alistair.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 08:38 .

[Jaulen]

So an unhardened hostile Alistair (did you make him king or not?) will staill take the blow?



Wow.



I wonder if you could talk him out of it if he was hardened.

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin since you seem to know all things alistair what happens to a hardened Alistair and you recruit Loghain but dont marry him off to Anora? does he still become a wondering drunkard?



because at the moment it looks like Alexander will be sparing Loghain :E

[Raiynsong]

It's amazing that Scrabble doesn't cause more family violence My mother once accused my 5-year-old of cheating lol



I really think the best ending for Alistair is to have Anora as queen and Alistair end up with the PC rebuilding the wardens. He honestly does not WANT to be king and Anora isn't a total disaster if she really governed during the 5 years when Cailan was king. And it was easy for me to believe that it was more important to rebuild the wardens than to rule Ferelden. I can see this working quite well for a mage or a human noble who rejects all the pomp and politics. I can't quite see this working for a City Elf--would she really be able to see beyond Alistair's humanness ? There I am much happier with Zevran. But I think my human mage is going to fall deeply for Alistair only to get dumped (I'm enough of a story-masochist to want to live through that once) and let Zevran pick up the pieces.



The Shale dialog happens after you find out she was a dwarf female, back at camp, you can talk about that (she asks you what gender you are, makes a crack about female bonding).



I think the thing that makes me angriest about Alistair is the whole heir to the throne duty thing. If the fertility issue were just MY problem as warden, then him dumping me would be understandible. But it's HIS problem too---and he was a warden fall longer than I was. If he really thinks his main role as king is heir and a spare, then he shouldn't accept the throne in the first place.



I read both books and that made me want to do a Loghain playthrough. As a male noble I found him pretty easy to get along with. I'm not sure what he'd be like with an elf--would he treat them badly ? Might have to do that on another CE run just to see.



For those "in the know" what is Zevran's attitude if you DON'T take him along with Isabella but just go on your own? Is his objection to your relationship with Leliana and Alistair REALLY that you'll hurt them ?

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ejoslin since you seem to know all things alistair what happens to a hardened Alistair and you recruit Loghain but dont marry him off to Anora? does he still become a wondering drunkard?

because at the moment it looks like Alexander will be sparing Loghain :E

Yes, he does.  Hardening him affects the kind of ruler he'll be, and how much he wants to be there, and whether or not he'll take a fempc as a lover.  It also affects the dialog choices at the end at the sacrifice (as I just found out).

Alistair never becomes strong even when hardened, but as long has he has support, he does very well.  It's only when he's betrayed or the FemWarden (and possibly the male as well, actually) does the US that he ends up really badly.  Unhardened as king, he's Anora's, Eamon's, or the Warden's puppet -- hardened, he rules with them, but not completely independently of them (Alistair and Anora as a ruling couple don't need the chancellor or Eamon, but solo King Alistair, even hardened, still does).

[ejoslin]

Raiynsong wrote...

For those "in the know" what is Zevran's attitude if you DON'T take him along with Isabella but just go on your own? Is his objection to your relationship with Leliana and Alistair REALLY that you'll hurt them ?

Zevran disapproves -3!

Edit: However, if you sleep with Cammen, he still approves.  I don't think it's a jealousy thing there with Isabela -- I think he does not approve of being rejected there.

However, when forcing the warden to make a choice, Zevran, if you press him, will admit that there is something between he and the warden, and he wants that out in the open, not hidden.  He also says that what you're doing if staying with him is stringing Alistair/Leliana along, and he wants no part of that.   He also is expecting to be rejected.  His reaction, especially if it's between him and Alistair, is happiness and surprise.

At that point, though, I don't think he expects the warden to be faithful sexually.  But when (s)he's actually emotionally involved with someone else, that's a problem.  Often, though, with Zevran, there's a disconnect between what he says, and what his reaction is.  He is not always honest, mostly with himself, because he does not want to be falling in love.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 09:11 .

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ejoslin since you seem to know all things alistair what happens to a hardened Alistair and you recruit Loghain but dont marry him off to Anora? does he still become a wondering drunkard?

because at the moment it looks like Alexander will be sparing Loghain :E

Yes, he does.  Hardening him affects the kind of ruler he'll be, and how much he wants to be there, and whether or not he'll take a fempc as a lover.  It also affects the dialog choices at the end at the sacrifice (as I just found out).

Alistair never becomes strong even when hardened, but as long has he has support, he does very well.  It's only when he's betrayed or the FemWarden (and possibly the male as well, actually) does the US that he ends up really badly.  Unhardened as king, he's Anora's, Eamon's, or the Warden's puppet -- hardened, he rules with them, but not completely independently of them (Alistair and Anora as a ruling couple don't need the chancellor or Eamon, but solo King Alistair, even hardened, still does).

sucks to be Alistair then :3

because the more I think about it the more I see Alexander sparing Loghain and give him a chance to redeem himself and to Alex redemption doesnt equal kimikaziing ones self against the archdemon (plus im damn curious to see how he aknoledges me and and Anoras marriage)


... I wonder if we can meet a drunkard Alistair in Awakenings...

my other Spare loghain playthroughs ended with him as king(Baren) or flat out executed(galen the dwarf noble)

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 25 février 2010 - 09:09 .

[ejoslin]

I'm loading up Sereda, from the Zevran ambush, to see what happens if you let him go. I want to see the second assassination attempt. Hopefully I won't have to do another treaty first (I bet I will, though). I'm glad I'm an obsessive saver!

Edit: Hmmmm, according to the codex entry, there may not be a second attempt.  That would be disappointing

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 09:21 .

[Ramante]

ejoslin wrote...

I'm loading up Sereda, from the Zevran ambush, to see what happens if you let him go. I want to see the second assassination attempt. Hopefully I won't have to do another treaty first (I bet I will, though). I'm glad I'm an obsessive saver!

I wasn't aware of the fact that he would try it for the second time. o.o
You can still recrute him after the second attempt? I have to try that sometime...

I have been so stupid.. I decided to give my Warden the anicent elven armor set and I did, but I went to camp with her and I decided to try the armor on Zevran (just to see how hot he looks in it). But he looks so damn hot in it that I want him to keep it on. So now I have to find something else for my Warden. Pretty foolish to give the armor to Zevran, why aren't there two sets of the armor in the game. x.x

[Sresla]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

... I wonder if we can meet a drunkard Alistair in Awakenings...

The inference I got from reading about Awakenings is that you'd only be meeting Alistair if he was King or perhaps rebuilding the Wardens, since the 3 returning characters that would serve in that regard as 'quest givers' are Alistair, Anora or Loghain - and since, if you let Loghain live, he becomes an incredible recruiter for the Wardens...

Modifié par Sresla, 25 février 2010 - 09:29 .

[ejoslin]

Ramante wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I'm loading up Sereda, from the Zevran ambush, to see what happens if you let him go. I want to see the second assassination attempt. Hopefully I won't have to do another treaty first (I bet I will, though). I'm glad I'm an obsessive saver!

I wasn't aware of the fact that he would try it for the second time. o.o
You can still recrute him after the second attempt? I have to try that sometime...

I have been so stupid.. I decided to give my Warden the anicent elven armor set and I did, but I went to camp with her and I decided to try the armor on Zevran (just to see how hot he looks in it). But he looks so damn hot in it that I want him to keep it on. So now I have to find something else for my Warden. Pretty foolish to give the armor to Zevran, why aren't there two sets of the armor in the game. x.x

I don't know.  I don't think so, actually.  It's just that there are two references I've found in the game that say there were two assassination attempts (one when Alistair is talking to Leliana, and another is in a friendzone conversation with Zevran, turning off the romance permanently).  Since you can let Zevran go, I'm thinking there may be a second attempt.  Then again, it may have just been something that was in there and then taken out, but not all the dialog cleaned up.

[ejoslin]

Jaulen wrote...

So an unhardened hostile Alistair (did you make him king or not?) will staill take the blow?

Wow.

I wonder if you could talk him out of it if he was hardened.

Oh, I misunderstood.  The ONLY time Alistair will insist on taking the blow is if he's flagged "in love" or "still in love".  Otherwise, he really wants to take it, but will let the other warden take the blow.  It doesn't matter if he's hardened or unhardened, though his dialog is slightly different.

[JosieJ]

Question for the group:

I can't remember if it was in this thread or another (similarly long) one where I read speculation about Zevran and Taliesin's relationship.   How do you get Zevran to admit that he and Taliesin were more than friends?  Do you have to be romancing him, or will he tell even if you're just friends?

Sorry to just drop this question in here, but I'm truly too lazy to look back over almost 150 pages for the answer!

[ejoslin]

JosieJ wrote...

Question for the group:

I can't remember if it was in this thread or another (similarly long) one where I read speculation about Zevran and Taliesin's relationship.   How do you get Zevran to admit that he and Taliesin were more than friends?  Do you have to be romancing him, or will he tell even if you're just friends?

Sorry to just drop this question in here, but I'm truly too lazy to look back over almost 150 pages for the answer!

You need to be romancing him, but your approval has to be 70 or below (care).  Also, when the encounter starts, you can select anything except "zevran doesn't need the crows any more".  Zevran will leave the encounter, and you will have a chance to question him about it afterwards, if you so choose.  It's the standard conversation for after the encounter, but there's additional dialog options if he left.

If you're at 71+ adore or 33+ warm (I believe, it's either 33+ or 26+) he will stay and fight no matter what, so you don't get the additional dialog about him leaving in the discussion afterwards.

Edit: If you'd like, I do have a transcript of that conversation with the Taliesen options selected.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 11:09 .

[ejoslin]

Edit: I need to l2r.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 février 2010 - 10:31 .

[Raiynsong]

my initial intent with my male warrior was to save Loghain, romance Morrigan and Zevran, and marry Anora. I couldn't stand the btich after she said she wouldn't let me co-rule so I decided to just let her rule and go off with Zevran and rebuild the wardens. After all, if it's a choice between Zevran and Anora, who would you pick lol



oooh tonight I might be lucky enough to get the second earring dialog ! at least I will get the Zevran saves me from Ft Drakon.

[ejoslin]

Raiynsong wrote...

my initial intent with my male warrior was to save Loghain, romance Morrigan and Zevran, and marry Anora. I couldn't stand the btich after she said she wouldn't let me co-rule so I decided to just let her rule and go off with Zevran and rebuild the wardens. After all, if it's a choice between Zevran and Anora, who would you pick lol

oooh tonight I might be lucky enough to get the second earring dialog ! at least I will get the Zevran saves me from Ft Drakon.

Oh, you are far more patient than I when it comes to timing the romances!

[Raiynsong]

lol not really. this play through I wanted the Alistair romance first is all

[JosieJ]

ejoslin wrote...

JosieJ wrote...

Question for the group:

I can't remember if it was in this thread or another (similarly long) one where I read speculation about Zevran and Taliesin's relationship.   How do you get Zevran to admit that he and Taliesin were more than friends?  Do you have to be romancing him, or will he tell even if you're just friends?

Sorry to just drop this question in here, but I'm truly too lazy to look back over almost 150 pages for the answer!

You need to be romancing him, but your approval has to be 70 or below (care).  Also, when the encounter starts, you can select anything except "zevran doesn't need the crows any more".  Zevran will leave the encounter, and you will have a chance to question him about it afterwards, if you so choose.  It's the standard conversation for after the encounter, but there's additional dialog options if he left.

If you're at 71+ adore or 33+ warm (I believe, it's either 33+ or 26+) he will stay and fight no matter what, so you don't get the additional dialog about him leaving in the discussion afterwards.

Edit: If you'd like, I do have a transcript of that conversation with the Taliesen options selected.

Thanks for the information, and I would appreciate you posting the transcript.  In all the playthroughs where my PC has romanced him, he's been way above 70 by the time I get that encounter!