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[Cuddlezarro]

I knew you was teasing me I wasnt offended or anything



infact its very *very* hard for me to be offended on the internet any more

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67, thank you so much for that. It's almost but not quite as depressing as the romance ending. It does indicate that he was a colder person when not romanced, so he doesn't break quite as badly.

*sigh* Makes me sad for him, which is silly!

The romance slide is worse?  I thought it was pretty much the same, except for that he hangs around Denerim rather than traveling.  Oh, and there's the bit about many offers of bedmates etc.

[ejoslin]

Yes. Here it is:

Zevran lingered in Denerim for a time, mourning the loss of his love and working for the Fereldan throne as a distraction. Eventually the Crows came after him once again and he elected to take the fight to their doorstep, returning to Antiva. After four master assassins disappeared, the Crows readmitted Zevran--as their leader. He maintained a distance from his former comrades even then, and despite frequent offers of new bedmates, never loved again.

That is one broken elf.

Edit: Plus I transcribed the friend ending.  Both are heartbreaking.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 février 2010 - 09:29 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Yes. Here it is:

Zevran lingered in Denerim for a time, mourning the loss of his love and working for the Fereldan throne as a distraction. Eventually the Crows came after him once again and he elected to take the fight to their doorstep, returning to Antiva. After four master assassins disappeared, the Crows readmitted Zevran--as their leader. He maintained a distance from his former comrades even then, and despite frequent offers of new bedmates, never loved again.

That is one broken elf.

Edit: Plus I transcribed the friend ending.  Both are heartbreaking.

Indeed.    It didn't help that since HNF had once had the romance turned on, he was responding "I am yours" when I clicked on him while we were heading up to the archdemon.  That's one of my least favorite bugs!!  It sticks a knife in my HNF's heart, for one thing.

I have to add that I was a little disappointed that Alistair wasn't more broken up.  LOL  Not that he should be, it just seemed like it wasn't much different than if it had been a friend ending.  Sten's and Oghren's end slides made me cry, however.

[Nonvita]

Interesting seeing the subtle differences, though I'd agree that the romance one is worse. With the friend version it at least indicates that he felt some measure of pride at his accomplishment, if only a very small amount. He never learned to open up and feel emotions in the way he does when in love, so he still has a measure of coldness in him.



With the romance version, he's been betrayed again, lost everything he felt was worth living for, and there's every indication that becoming the leader of the Crows was only a desperate attempt to quell the pain he feels, though it clearly offered no reprieve.

[ejoslin]

In both, he doesn't want to return to the crows. I guess all he said about making the best of whatever situation you're in applies there. He had nothing more to lose, though.

[ejoslin]

Alistair has a horrible ending if not made king (edit: if the warden does the US). If he's made king, he has strong support behind him.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 février 2010 - 10:19 .

[Nonvita]

He also has duty placed on him that prevents him from showing the emotion he feels. As much as people says that duty will keep Alistair going through anything, I really do think he will always feel a degree of resentment toward it.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Alistair has a horrible ending if not made king (edit: if the warden does the US). If he's made king, he has strong support behind him.

You mean if not made king and the PC dies?  I assumed he just rebuilt the Grey Wardens on his own.

[ejoslin]

Not if flagged in love or still in love, no. Much to Anora's relief, he resigns from the Grey Wardens because it just doesn't feel the same, and disappears.

I'm not sure what happens if he was never romanced.

Edit: yes, I did.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 février 2010 - 10:35 .

[TripLight]

Wow....I got the Taliesen fight as soon as I accepted Kylon's Pearl Quest. Zevran was a fricking rock to Taliesan, he made it clear there was NO way he was betraying the Elf Mage Warden who spared him, and took to the time to break through his many layers.

After the fight, he gave me the standard, "might have to leave" because of the crows, but he told me he didn't want to, but if I wished it he would. I told him I would be "sorely put out " if he left. And thems the breaks, shifted from +100 adore to +100 love.

So being the person that I am I immediately went out of Denerim and back to camp. Zev thanked me for helping him become free of the crows (it did resemble the friendship version), then he offered me an earring he took off a Rivaini Merchant prince, who really wasn't wearing much else of anything. He told me he wanted me to have it as thanks for his freedom.

I questioned "so it's not a token of affection?" He..I think he did stutter, I was sort of preocccupied with squeeing and smiling at the moment.

I told him I would not take it if it wasn't an affection token, I called him out, then he got pissy about how I pick up every other bit of treasure but this had to mean something. God he is hot when he is mad.

So I click on him again, asking to go to the tent, and he ****-blocked me. So I acquiesced.

I clicked on him again and got the second earring offering...dear god that was the sweetest thing. He offered it as a token of affection. I asked if it was a proposal, he said in veiled terms in was, so I accepted.

I actually had to get up from the PC and walk around I was so stoked.

Then as a plus I went and got Wynne's apology, I am just sorry I wasn't more rude to her.

<3Ahh Zevran is sweet and lasting love. I am shamed I didn't try this sooner.

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

Not if flagged in love or still in love, no. Much to Anora's relief, he resigns from the Grey Wardens because it just doesn't feel the same, and disappears.

I'm not sure what happens if he was never romanced.

Edit: yes, I did.

So he just goes off and waits to die from the taint? Wow, that's...bad.

[ejoslin]

 Zevran's proposal is something else   Gah, I can't wait to do all the dialogs either! 

I'm squeeing at the way you tell your story too!  

Did you get his "untimely death" talk though?  If not, you still have another squee for another play through (though it's actually a friendship dialog, it's STILL squee).

[TripLight]

ejoslin wrote...

 Zevran's proposal is something else   Gah, I can't wait to do all the dialogs either! 

I'm squeeing at the way you tell your story too!  

Did you get his "untimely death" talk though?  If not, you still have another squee for another play through (though it's actually a friendship dialog, it's STILL squee).

...I totally missed that. At what point does THAT happen?

Dear god, I totally dumped Guild Wars and a 4th playthrough of KOTOR, and I am STILL finding new things in a game I have kept playing since I bought it in mid December.

Bioware...I hope you are proud of youselves!

On a side note, I also hardened Leliana for the first time, but already did Isabella and the Pearl...bah another playthrough to see if I can accomplish the 4-way.

[ejoslin]

TripLight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

 Zevran's proposal is something else   Gah, I can't wait to do all the dialogs either! 

I'm squeeing at the way you tell your story too!  

Did you get his "untimely death" talk though?  If not, you still have another squee for another play through (though it's actually a friendship dialog, it's STILL squee).

...I totally missed that. At what point does THAT happen?

Dear god, I totally dumped Guild Wars and a 4th playthrough of KOTOR, and I am STILL finding new things in a game I have kept playing since I bought it in mid December.

Bioware...I hope you are proud of youselves!

On a side note, I also hardened Leliana for the first time, but already did Isabella and the Pearl...bah another playthrough to see if I can accomplish the 4-way.

Between the first earring offer and him refusing to go the tent. When he thanks you for freeing him from the crows. Tell him that you consider him a friend instead of more than a friend. Then prepare to squee.

Edit: the only way to do the 4-way is to have leliana hardened AND in love (I'm fairly sure tented as well).  If you're also romancing Zevran (and this is NOT a requirement), if you have him over 71+, be careful not to click on either!

Edit: added quoted text because I love me my quoted text

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 février 2010 - 11:56 .

[errant_knight]

errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Not if flagged in love or still in love, no. Much to Anora's relief, he resigns from the Grey Wardens because it just doesn't feel the same, and disappears.

I'm not sure what happens if he was never romanced.

Edit: yes, I did.

So he just goes off and waits to die from the taint? Wow, that's...bad.

The reason I asked this is doesn't that mean that there's no good outcome for any of the romanced companions if you do the ultimate sacrifice ending?

[ejoslin]

errant_knight wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Not if flagged in love or still in love, no. Much to Anora's relief, he resigns from the Grey Wardens because it just doesn't feel the same, and disappears.

I'm not sure what happens if he was never romanced.

Edit: yes, I did.

So he just goes off and waits to die from the taint? Wow, that's...bad.

The reason I asked this is doesn't that mean that there's no good outcome for any of the romanced companions if you do the ultimate sacrifice ending?

Alistair is fine if made king.

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Not if flagged in love or still in love, no. Much to Anora's relief, he resigns from the Grey Wardens because it just doesn't feel the same, and disappears.

I'm not sure what happens if he was never romanced.

Edit: yes, I did.

So he just goes off and waits to die from the taint? Wow, that's...bad.

The reason I asked this is doesn't that mean that there's no good outcome for any of the romanced companions if you do the ultimate sacrifice ending?

Alistair is fine if made king.

But there's no way to make things turn out well for Zevran, Leiliana, and Alistair if you don't make him king? That kind of points the way to the ritual in most cases, doesn't it?

[ejoslin]

errant_knight wrote...
But there's no way to make things turn out well for Zevran, Leiliana, and Alistair if you don't make him king? That kind of points the way to the ritual in most cases, doesn't it?

Not really.  Only if you're romancing Alistair.  You can feed either Alistair or Loghain to the archdemon and not end up with the tragic Leliana or Zevran endings.

Edit: Really, the only time having the ritual is required not to destroy someone, is if you made Anora queen and are romancing Alistair.  I hope that makes sense.  Obviously, your death is required if you're going to ruin Alistair, and it only ruins him if he's NOT king.  Otherwise, you can have the other warden take the blow.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 février 2010 - 11:41 .

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
But there's no way to make things turn out well for Zevran, Leiliana, and Alistair if you don't make him king? That kind of points the way to the ritual in most cases, doesn't it?

Not really.  Only if you're romancing Alistair.  You can feed either Alistair or Loghain to the archdemon and not end up with the tragic Leliana or Zevran endings.

Edit: Really, the only time having the ritual is required not to destroy someone, is if you made Anora queen and are romancing Alistair.  I hope that makes sense.  Obviously, your death is required if you're going to ruin Alistair, and it only ruins him if he's NOT king.  Otherwise, you can have the other warden take the blow.

 Ah, okay. I was starting to wonder if the developers had a 'preferred' course of action.

[Raiynsong]

I find the best Alistair ending is to have him end up with the PC and going off to rebuild the grey wardens. I really believe he isn't suited to being king--is just doing it out of a sense of duty. Anora's a **** but let her have the damn thing.



Of course, I usually end up with Zevran nowadays but my couple of endings with Alistair, I really think we're happier with the wardens than we are in the playthrough where we're king and queen.



I _think_ (but I'm not sure) that I unlocked bloodmage finally. But I'm not sure there's any way to check until I get to level 14....

[TripLight]

You should be able to see in your "character record" screen, thumb over the blood mage specialization, and the mini window that pops up should say whether its unlocked on or not.

[Addai]

TripLight wrote...

<3Ahh Zevran is sweet and lasting love. I am shamed I didn't try this sooner.

Aww.  I felt that way, too.  He is a satisfying companion whether friended or romanced.  It frustrates me that others don't get it, even consider him a horrible person, but that's the way it is.  The characters inspire different reactions and Zevran seems to inspire the strongest one way or another.

[Cuddlezarro]

errant_knight wrote...


But there's no way to make things turn out well for Zevran, Leiliana, and Alistair if you don't make him king? That kind of points the way to the ritual in most cases, doesn't it?

hardened Leliena isnt that bad

she makes a ballad then runs off to Orlais to get revenge on whoever was unlucky enough to ****** her off


unhardened Leliena... well she commits suicide wehich really should sadden me but I just cant seem to care as horrid as it sounds

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 28 février 2010 - 12:48 .

[Addai]

Raiynsong wrote...

I find the best Alistair ending is to have him end up with the PC and going off to rebuild the grey wardens. I really believe he isn't suited to being king--is just doing it out of a sense of duty. Anora's a **** but let her have the damn thing.

Of course, I usually end up with Zevran nowadays but my couple of endings with Alistair, I really think we're happier with the wardens than we are in the playthrough where we're king and queen.

I _think_ (but I'm not sure) that I unlocked bloodmage finally. But I'm not sure there's any way to check until I get to level 14....

Re. Alistair, I've come around to a different take, but I think it is partly from reading the books.  To me it's now just inconceivable that Maric's son should become anything other than king out of his obscurity.  I also am coming around to feeling like my royal couple story line is "the" story line for me.  The one time I made Anora sole queen, I hated hearing him disclaim the throne so much I haven't been able to do it again.

Re. blood mage, if you made the deal with the demon, you should have gotten a notice it was unlocked, no?