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[Nonvita]

Raiynsong wrote...

I find the best Alistair ending is to have him end up with the PC and going off to rebuild the grey wardens. I really believe he isn't suited to being king--is just doing it out of a sense of duty. Anora's a **** but let her have the damn thing.

You're right about that. Unfortunately my characters always either despise Anora too much to put her on the throne, want to become Queen themselves, hate Alistair, don't feel enough duty to the Wardens to go gallavanting off to rebuild them, or end up with Alistair killing himself to prevent their own untimely death. Sucks to be Alistair.


@Errant_Knight- I do think the developers expected a fair number of people to pursue the god baby, and I think it makes for a very interesting future prospect. But considering the amount of detail they put into the non-god baby outcomes as well (*cough*Alistair still in love*cough*), I think they were just as happy with people not pursuing it. Doesn't mean I'm not worried about how the choice will play out in the future, though, and whether or not it will still be reflected...

[Cuddlezarro]

You're right about that. Unfortunately my characters always either despise Anora too much to put her on the throne, want to become Queen themselves, hate Alistair, don't feel enough duty to the Wardens to go gallavanting off to rebuild them, or end up with Alistair killing himself to prevent their own untimely death. Sucks to be Alistair.

atleast you girls dont have to marry Anora to get a shot at the throne >_

although the ending makes it pretty clear that your not powerless like Anora wishes you to be and that your not simply another Cailen who can be easily manipulated but that ending is still horrible compared to the Alistair+Queen endings

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 28 février 2010 - 12:51 .

[Nonvita]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

atleast you girls dont have to marry Anora to get a shot at the throne >_

although the ending makes it pretty clear that your not powerless like Anora wishes you to be and that your not simply another Cailen who can be easily manipulated but that ending is still horrible compared to the Alistair+Queen endings

That is very true. I feel infinitely worse for guys than for girls in this game. Not because I think the romances aren't as good, but because male characters (in a great reversal from expectations) end up more powerless than females in many ways.

[Herr Uhl]

Nonvita wrote...

That is very true. I feel infinitely worse for guys than for girls in this game. Not because I think the romances aren't as good, but because male characters (in a great reversal from expectations) end up more powerless than females in many ways.

Define many. And the dwarven noble can get their kid to become next in line to the throne of Orzammar if male.

[Cuddlezarro]

Male Dwarf Nobles have it better off than female dwarf nobles actually

they dont end up getting dumped by there second in command and have an Heir to the throne so if you become king after Harrowmont dies you have a son to pass the crown onto

female Dwarf nobles... well Dwarven infertility+grey warden infertility=not gonna have any direct bloodline successors any time soon oh and Gorim dumps them like a sack of bricks


EDIT: also you know what could convince me to get past the horrible horrible female dwarven arms! a DnD style monk class because Utha from the Calling is awesomesauce

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 28 février 2010 - 01:06 .

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Male Dwarf Nobles have it better off than female dwarf nobles actually

they dont end up getting dumped by there second in command and have an Heir to the throne so if you become king after Harrowmont dies you have a son to pass the crown onto

female Dwarf nobles... well Dwarven infertility+grey warden infertility=not gonna have any direct bloodline successors any time soon oh and Gorim dumps them like a sack of bricks


EDIT: also you know what could convince me to get past the horrible horrible female dwarven arms! a DnD style monk class because Utha from the Calling is awesomesauce

Do I need to post the screen shots again?  No?  Do you still say that Dwarven noble women have it bad? 

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Male Dwarf Nobles have it better off than female dwarf nobles actually

they dont end up getting dumped by there second in command and have an Heir to the throne so if you become king after Harrowmont dies you have a son to pass the crown onto

female Dwarf nobles... well Dwarven infertility+grey warden infertility=not gonna have any direct bloodline successors any time soon oh and Gorim dumps them like a sack of bricks


EDIT: also you know what could convince me to get past the horrible horrible female dwarven arms! a DnD style monk class because Utha from the Calling is awesomesauce

Do I need to post the screen shots again?  No?  Do you still say that Dwarven noble women have it bad? 

you get better Zevran kisses but our Dwarf noble endings is happier than yours!

plus we dont have those horrible horrible arms!

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 28 février 2010 - 01:12 .

[Nonvita]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Define many. And the dwarven noble can get their kid to become next in line to the throne of Orzammar if male.

Many, in my book, can mean anywhere from 0-100. In this case it means 2.

1. Guys who romance Morrigan have absolutely no way to keep her around, so they tend to end up getting their last kicks with her in the context of a creepy magical witch ritual, after which they go emo and convince themselves that chasing after her will really be a good idea despite her explicitly saying it's not.

2. If they want the throne, they can only get it through Anora. I would call that a punishment. They also end up having much less power than a female who marries Alistair unhardened.

You are, however, correct about the Dwarf Noble. As such, I retract my statement and will no longer be sorry for males. Instead I'll just go back to leading Alistair into a life (or death) of misery despite my best intentions.

[Cuddlezarro]

2. If they want the throne, they can only get it through Anora. I would call that a punishment. They also end up having much less power than a female who marries Alistair unhardened.

Alexander plans to have Anora meet an unfortunate "accident" once the cow has outlived her usefulness

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Define many. And the dwarven noble can get their kid to become next in line to the throne of Orzammar if male.

Many, in my book, can mean anywhere from 0-100. In this case it means 2.

1. Guys who romance Morrigan have absolutely no way to keep her around, so they tend to end up getting their last kicks with her in the context of a creepy magical witch ritual, after which they go emo and convince themselves that chasing after her will really be a good idea despite her explicitly saying it's not.

2. If they want the throne, they can only get it through Anora. I would call that a punishment. They also end up having much less power than a female who marries Alistair unhardened.

You are, however, correct about the Dwarf Noble. As such, I retract my statement and will no longer be sorry for males. Instead I'll just go back to leading Alistair into a life (or death) of misery despite my best intentions.

Actually, change 2. to . . .

2. They also end up having much less power than a female who never romanced Alistair and marries him for political reasons.

Hardening Alistair makes no difference to whether the HNF ends up the new ruler and savior who Alistair allows to act as she pleases.  That happens if Alistair is never romanced.

I'm not sure if that last sentence is actually English, but I'm tired!

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

Actually, change 2. to . . .

2. They also end up having much less power than a female who never romanced Alistair and marries him for political reasons.

Hardening Alistair makes no difference to whether the HNF ends up the new ruler and savior who Alistair allows to act as she pleases.  That happens if Alistair is never romanced.

I'm not sure if that last sentence is actually English, but I'm tired!

Aha! I am being corrected on so many things. Today is truly an exciting day!

[ejoslin]

I'm probably the only person lame enough to actually check to see if there's a difference, actually.

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Male Dwarf Nobles have it better off than female dwarf nobles actually

they dont end up getting dumped by there second in command and have an Heir to the throne so if you become king after Harrowmont dies you have a son to pass the crown onto

female Dwarf nobles... well Dwarven infertility+grey warden infertility=not gonna have any direct bloodline successors any time soon oh and Gorim dumps them like a sack of bricks


EDIT: also you know what could convince me to get past the horrible horrible female dwarven arms! a DnD style monk class because Utha from the Calling is awesomesauce

Do I need to post the screen shots again?  No?  Do you still say that Dwarven noble women have it bad? 

you get better Zevran kisses but our Dwarf noble endings is happier than yours!

plus we dont have those horrible horrible arms!

All the better to hold Antivans with . . .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

All the better to hold Antivans with . . .

LOL  Back to getting my CDF through Redcliffe... I should be making dinner...!

[EccentricSage]

Addai67 wrote...

For research, I killed off my HNF.  It was the quickest and dreariest end game I've ever played.  I didn't even loot anything, that tells you how bad it is!

The ending slide for Zevran (this is a Friend ending):

"Zevran traveled for a time, trying to remain as far from the Crows as possible.  When they finally came for him, Zevran elected to take the fight to their doorstep, returning to Antiva.  After four master assassins disappeared, the Crows re-admitted Zevran- as their leader.  He was never sure if it was victory or defeat."

At least with this ending you get the sence that he's still the person your warden got to know as a friend... he's not broken.  So I imagine becoming leader of the Crows won't have to be a bad thing, as that power would give him a chance to make some possitive changes in Antiva.  Granted I'd imagine such power would be terifying and painful, as there would be many situations and policies of the Crows that would still be awful and wich he would not be able to change.  Haveing everything rest on his concience would be one hell of a painful responsability.  But I can just imagine the good he could do for at least some of the Antivan orphans, and the sence of justice and honor he could bring to determining which marks the Crows will acsept, etc.  It's interesting to think about.  "He was never sure if that was a victory or a defeat" sure paints a strong image of who he is at that point. 

[ejoslin]

EccentricSage wrote...

At least with this ending you get the sence that he's still the person your warden got to know as a friend... he's not broken.  So I imagine becoming leader of the Crows won't have to be a bad thing, as that power would give him a chance to make some possitive changes in Antiva.  Granted I'd imagine such power would be terifying and painful, as there would be many situations and policies of the Crows that would still be awful and wich he would not be able to change.  Haveing everything rest on his concience would be one hell of a painful responsability.  But I can just imagine the good he could do for at least some of the Antivan orphans, and the sence of justice and honor he could bring to determining which marks the Crows will acsept, etc.  It's interesting to think about.  "He was never sure if that was a victory or a defeat" sure paints a strong image of who he is at that point. 

I would hope he does make changes, but there's no indication that he makes them.  There's only so much changing you can do to a system that works so well.

[Jayelet]

Sorry, before returning to watch the final on my pc ...

the Archdemon Alistair thousand times.

or deal with a thousand Morrigan

[TripLight]

ejoslin wrote...

TripLight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

 Zevran's proposal is something else   Gah, I can't wait to do all the dialogs either! 

I'm squeeing at the way you tell your story too!  

Did you get his "untimely death" talk though?  If not, you still have another squee for another play through (though it's actually a friendship dialog, it's STILL squee).

...I totally missed that. At what point does THAT happen?

Dear god, I totally dumped Guild Wars and a 4th playthrough of KOTOR, and I am STILL finding new things in a game I have kept playing since I bought it in mid December.

Bioware...I hope you are proud of youselves!

On a side note, I also hardened Leliana for the first time, but already did Isabella and the Pearl...bah another playthrough to see if I can accomplish the 4-way.

Between the first earring offer and him refusing to go the tent. When he thanks you for freeing him from the crows. Tell him that you consider him a friend instead of more than a friend. Then prepare to squee.

Edit: the only way to do the 4-way is to have leliana hardened AND in love (I'm fairly sure tented as well).  If you're also romancing Zevran (and this is NOT a requirement), if you have him over 71+, be careful not to click on either!

Edit: added quoted text because I love me my quoted text

Oh My! I am so lucky I remembered to quicksave before the Taliesan battle, because I got the "untimely death" talk this time. And ejoslin, you weren't kidding about the squee. Lets just say I replaced that save over my main save.

[ejoslin]

TripLight wrote...

Oh My! I am so lucky I remembered to quicksave before the Taliesan battle, because I got the "untimely death" talk this time. And ejoslin, you weren't kidding about the squee. Lets just say I replaced that save over my main save.

Some things are just worth a reload  ... and you haven't even gotten to the gates yet.  

[soignee]

ejoslin wrote...


Do I need to post the screen shots again?  No?  Do you still say that Dwarven noble women have it bad? 

I pretty  much just play ladiedorfs in this game, haha.

Oh, and my lone, bitter and angry Dalish who stomped off after the Blight to stalk after Morrigan.

[barkingM1]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Antonio.
Bleeding.
Bandito.
Banderas.

This.  This.  This. 

[EccentricSage]

ejoslin wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

At least with this ending you get the sence that he's still the person your warden got to know as a friend... he's not broken.  So I imagine becoming leader of the Crows won't have to be a bad thing, as that power would give him a chance to make some possitive changes in Antiva.  Granted I'd imagine such power would be terifying and painful, as there would be many situations and policies of the Crows that would still be awful and wich he would not be able to change.  Haveing everything rest on his concience would be one hell of a painful responsability.  But I can just imagine the good he could do for at least some of the Antivan orphans, and the sence of justice and honor he could bring to determining which marks the Crows will acsept, etc.  It's interesting to think about.  "He was never sure if that was a victory or a defeat" sure paints a strong image of who he is at that point. 

I would hope he does make changes, but there's no indication that he makes them.  There's only so much changing you can do to a system that works so well.

This is true.  But given the fact he will chalange the warden's decisions even though he has sworn himself to servitude and his life rests in the warden's hands, and he will do so simply out of compassion for others who's welfare has no baring on his own, I tend to imagine he'd use his power for some good.  Part of making the best of his situation, I'd imagine.

[Raiynsong]

I've only played one male char and I was going to marry Anora and rule as king and I just couldn't bring myself to do it... I don't mind her ruling alone tho, and running off with either Zevran or Alistair, depending. Politics is for people like her

I've not played a dwarf yet beyond their origins but I'm looking forward to that, tho I won't romance Alistair on her at all--I just can't visualize that. Will be bad enough with an elf but at least I made both my dwarf girls have really pretty faces. I love the detail in which the dwarven culture is drawn in this game, but I find it oppressive enough (whether noble or commoner) that I don't really want to play them. I'm only doing it for the Zevran kisses.

[Nonvita]

EccentricSage wrote...

This is true.  But given the fact he will chalange the warden's decisions even though he has sworn himself to servitude and his life rests in the warden's hands, and he will do so simply out of compassion for others who's welfare has no baring on his own, I tend to imagine he'd use his power for some good.  Part of making the best of his situation, I'd imagine.

I don't see it being the same as him with the Warden, though. I'm with ejoslin in that he doesn't want to go back to the Crows. He goes back because he has nothing left. The sense of hope he felt because of the Warden is completely wiped away, and instead he is left alone to feel once again that his existence is meaningless. I view his rise to the top only as an attempt to give meaning to his life. I think the point is to highlight that he reverts to being the same as he was before he left the Warden and that he comes to believe he'll never be anything more.

He went to Denerim to try and escape the pain he felt, and his retaliation against the Crows was clearly vengeful. He is no longer a clearly thinking person. He's basically been taken over by the monster inside him.

I don't imagine him doing any good. I imagine him continuing the Crows as they have always been. That's the sad irony- the man who tried to break free of the Crows and become a better person ends up becoming the cruel leader who changes nothing, and it happened that way precisely because he had that chance at freedom.

[Charsen]

I would say that my Mage-Warden went with Zevran because my Warden was the heart of goodness. (Haha, sickening, right?) He was quite the paladin, the good boy of the Chantry, and always tried to help people. Gave gold to beggars, helped everyone he could, etc.

So he saw Zevran, someone who needed help more than anyone. In my Warden's eyes, Zevran was corrupted from childhood by the Crows, and it was not his fault - it was the life he knew. So my Warden first befriended him, saw the goodness there, and the rest was history..

I think it turned out well, and I enjoyed having the option for their romance since my Warden may have otherwise been celibate.

Oh and as a side note, I installed a mod for Zevran that changed his appearance to use Duncan's ponytail and have a generally more appealing (imo) look. I have never played the game with the original Zevran look, though the look of him isn't that important to my character's romance.

Modifié par Charsen, 28 février 2010 - 05:37 .