Addai67 wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I also think that his feelings for Taliesen are too easily brushed aside, because Taliesen is completely unlikable, especially to a warden who's romancing him. But even friendship, real friendship, is so much more to Zevran than whatever it was between he and Taliesen.
People really have to, at least once, see the scene where Zevran leaves. There is a lot more of him and a bit more of Taliesin and it's so interesting. Very much worth missing the squee of that "and I'm not about to let that happen."
I think if by that point you have any understanding of Zevran, though, you can see Taliesin in a better light, too. The fact that Zevran tells him he has a choice underscores this. Taliesin can't see it, because he's still trapped. My mage, who is probably sitting around camp thinking about all this, can make a comparison to the Circle. She wanted the Circle to burn, to use its sorry state as an excuse to dissolve it if possible, but couldn't bring herself to kill the other mages, and she pities rather than hates Wynne. They're trapped in their own minds and it's only because of luck and Duncan- and her willingness to die fighting darkspawn rather than be caged- that she can see a different way.
What is this fan club?? I didn't even know there were such things. I haven't explored the site much beyond this board.
I agree that the scene with him leaving shows so much. Seeing that, and seeing how heartbroken Zevran is later back at camp if you question him about Zevran's feelings towards Taliesen. You can also ignore that choice and either do the standard one or just stay on the "you shouldn't have left me" task, neither of which show, though, how sad he is about Taliesen's death, but also how you see him finally put that part of his life completely behind him.
It actually highlights, as well, how close those two really were, and makes it more understandable why Zevran sided with him over Rinna. If you choose to look at it as a triangle (which I don't, actually -- I don't think it was done out of jealousy or spite), you still have Rinna on the outside, with their mutual infatuation being more shallow than the bond between those two.
It's a situation and a story that is far more complex than it first appears. It's a sad story if you take it on its surface, but the details most people seem to glean from it don't jibe with the relationship with the warden and the things Zevran says to her later. It just doesn't go with either Zevran completely not understanding his feelings towards the warden, and also his telling the warden that this is the first time he's ever had a friend.
When Zevran says that Taliesen was a good friend and more, but then tells the Warden that in the crows they don't have friends, what does that actually mean? When he says that Rinna was special when the warden asks if he loved her, but then tells the warden at a later time that he doesn't even know what love is, but everything he taught says that his feelings for her is wrong but he can't help it, it's apparent, at least to me, that before, the feelings he had for others were shallow, illusions of relationships to kind of quote him (but badly and out of context).
Whatever he had experienced before had real meaning to him. It was the warden who showed him, though, that there was so much more. As both a friend and a lover. Zevran's "I like you," carries so much meaning to me. I actually like it that his romance dialogs have that instead of, "I love you," because when he says that, you know there is a genuine caring there. I'm not sure if he says, "I like you" in friendship dialogs -- I think he says good things about the friendship instead (Addai67 will correct me on this if I'm wrong).
Enough rambling!
For the moment at least
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