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[ejoslin]

Nonvita, I did the "invite to the tent dialog" twice, once with him at 72, once with him at 87 (his invitation was turned down initially -- one time, turning him down the first time and asking him if he was joking heh, -15 approval but worth it) and the other time just turning him down and being nice. Exact same dialog, exact same character. The one at 72 got 13 points approval and it glitched the status to love. The one at 87 got 4 points approval and did not glitch. Both times, I both asked if it was part of his plan, and both times I asked about love.

Some things ARE dynamic, though I don't understand the rhyme or reason to them.

Ok, I'll stop going on about my theories on Zevran's feelings towards Rinna and Taliesen, for now! That may be the fanfic I end up writing, though. I certainly have enough essays about that out there. And next time, in this thread, it comes up again, I'm certain I'll say too much about the whole thing again!

And thank you Jaulen, that is a really kind thing of you to say. I love his plea there too. OMG. Sleazy, heartless, remorseless killer there for sure!

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mars 2010 - 05:51 .

[Addai]

Jaulen wrote...

Sten, when configured properly is so friggin' awesome! He has some really 'sexy' kill sequences.

Agreed.  OMG, he is poetry to watch sometimes.  Juggernaut Armor + Ageless + Sten= pashera!  And I cannot get enough of being called kadan.  Heh, I have a little Sten crush going since my mage finally got him talking about the Qunari (my first game where this has happened).  I love those dialogues, the ones you get from comments he's made while you're out and about.  She had him at 100 approval when they first went to Haven (I was holding out a bit since I wanted Oghren in the party and also didn't want her to find out about Alistair too early) and I think that challenge he gives is so much better at "kadan" status.  Hearing the respect in his voice, while he still told her he thought the mission was idiotic, was great.

Got approval from Zevran for sparing the Dalish (OMG, all the sighs and the sound of relief in his voice...how could ANYONE think he's not honorable? Ah! I replayed that a couple of times just to hear his voice and how he sounded (sad at the tought the PC would do it and make him do it too, relief when the PC decides not to kill the elves).

Very moving, worth doing at least once.  I was most touched by his references to his mother.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Some things ARE dynamic, though I don't understand the rhyme or reason to them.

I've often thought there is some randomization to the approval system.  I like it that way.  Surprises make for re-playability.

Ok, I'll stop going on about my theories on Zevran's feelings towards Rinna and Taliesen, for now! That may be the fanfic I end up writing, though. I certainly have enough essays about that out there. And next time, in this thread, it comes up again, I'm certain I'll say too much about the whole thing again!

I was actually thinking out a fanfiction in my head, of Zevran preparing for the Warden ambush.  Maker, things have really gotten bad.  LOL

[Cuddlezarro]

ok I finally decided whos gonna be in my Baren 2.0 party other than Zevran~



the Abominable Judgmental old Cow as a Arcane Warrior+Spirit healer... yes shes going to be my tank! and shes going to hate Baren! (which means more fodder for the I hate wynn thread)



and Sten as a Berserker+Champion it was a toss up between him and Oghren since I havnt exactly used both more than one full playthrough, plus I get Sten alot sooner and I dont think he likes Wynn much at all like Oghren does since shes a female mage and we know how he feels about those

[Jaulen]

@ Addai: I have Sten in Cailan's armor, and I can't recall what sword, not the best one for him yet, since I've only done mage tower, brecillian forest, Shale, and Ashes.



I have a mini-Sten crush too. It would probably be a full blown fan-girl crush if he was romanceable. (Hmm, maybe her and Zevran should go with Sten at the end of this game instead of hanging around)



Can't decide if i want to go to Orzammar tonight or Redcliff. If I do RedCliff I think I will start it, tell Alistair I don't want to hear what he has to say when he tries to tell PC about being Maric's son take the approval hit (he's only at +12 as it is!), and then not take him when we do Redcliff Castle (I've never gone to redcliff w/o knowing Alistair is Maric's kid).

[Raiynsong]

Those are two great fanfic ideas -- the initial attack and the Taliesin encounter. I'd also like a Zevran interior monologue the first time at camp after he's recruited. Not sure how he feels about being alive, not sure what to make of the friendships he sees among the rest of the party members, knowing some people in the group really resent him being there.



When you first click on him and he answers "what?" in that voice of his... you can tell he's still a bit resentful you've kept him among the living. It is so nice to see that soften with time.



I'm a mage this round and it is much harder to get Sten's approval up. I'm taking him everywhere -- haven't given him too many gifts yet, tho.



Regarding what someone said about Zevran being comfortable around people other than the warden. I'm not sure I believe that, exactly. My take on it is that with others, he can easily slip into a "persona" --the sexy assassin rake-- whereas with the warden he finds himself unable to carry that out. Maybe at the beginning it has to do with his oath but obviously as his feelings grow it has more to do with that.

[Addai]

Jaulen wrote...

Can't decide if i want to go to Orzammar tonight or Redcliff. If I do RedCliff I think I will start it, tell Alistair I don't want to hear what he has to say when he tries to tell PC about being Maric's son take the approval hit (he's only at +12 as it is!), and then not take him when we do Redcliff Castle (I've never gone to redcliff w/o knowing Alistair is Maric's kid).

Just don't have him in your party when you travel to Redcliffe village.  The cutscene doesn't trigger, so you don't have to see Alistair sad-eyes and yet you won't find out he's the heir until you bring back the ashes.  That's my preferred route now unless my character is in full-blown Ali-crush, in which case I wouldn't give up hearing "you're the reason I'm lucky" for all of Thedas.  It's just too much fun to go half the game and then get that pin-drop moment when Eamon says "we have to put up a challenge to the throne Loghain can't ignore"... the guy you've been traveling with for months (slept with, in my mage character's case) and had no idea was the heir.  Zoinks!

Modifié par Addai67, 02 mars 2010 - 07:11 .

[Addai]

Raiynsong wrote...
My take on it is that with others, he can easily slip into a "persona" --the sexy assassin rake-- whereas with the warden he finds himself unable to carry that out. Maybe at the beginning it has to do with his oath but obviously as his feelings grow it has more to do with that.

He can do the rake bit with the warden, too, under the right circumstances.  Playing around with the tent scene dialogues, I tried the route where you invite him to the tent, he says "does something in there need assasinating," and you say you forgot that part and ask him if he plans to use this opportunity to kill you.  You get some saucy seduction lines if you go this route.  Edit:  You are basically forcing him into assassin-rake and joke-deflection mode by asking him this, of course, the same way that Wynne and Morrigan do in their banters.

Modifié par Addai67, 02 mars 2010 - 07:53 .

[Ramante]

Jaulen wrote...
Can't decide if i want to go to Orzammar tonight or Redcliff. If I do RedCliff I think I will start it, tell Alistair I don't want to hear what he has to say when he tries to tell PC about being Maric's son take the approval hit (he's only at +12 as it is!), and then not take him when we do Redcliff Castle (I've never gone to redcliff w/o knowing Alistair is Maric's kid).

Don't take Alistair with you to Redcliff. Teagan will ask if Alistair is still alive and you can respond with 'Unfortunately.' Just priceless that one.

I have a big Sten-crush, I just love him. The fact that he doesn't understand everything you say (flirting and stuff) is great, I really relate to him 'cause sometimes I don't get it either. I was really happy he was willing to explain the meaning of the word 'callow' to me. And he loves cookies.

I finally have the 'all ending' achievement. So my first FHN playthrough is finished, I'm going to try to rescue my mage from my laptop and transfer her to my pc or back to my laptop when it is fixed. *fingers crossed*
Otherwise I have to start a new playthrough because I'm suddenly a big fan of the Zevran romance. (and I want the kiss like in Sabriana's picture)

[Charsen]

Addai67 wrote...
I think the big approval leaps with Zevran are when the PC flirts with him.  That's when things get out of control fast.  It is a total oxymoron, but in his own way, Zevran is shy.  Without encouragement, he's so hesitant and unsure of himself.  Over in the theme song thread, I posted that I think of Sarah Maclachlan's "Building a Mystery" with him.  There is the apt line "a beautiful f*cked-up man," but also the line "so careful when I'm in your arms."  That says it.

Hmm, I'll have to listen to that song.. 
I think the first song that came to mind when thinking of Zevran was.. Peter Murphy's "Cuts you up".. hehe, maybe I should post that in the song thread. I especially like the lyric, "with mistakes that you do mean" and the references to honey and gold, and of course the general mood of the twisting and difficult choices in life. 

[Ramante]

Ramante wrote...
I finally have the 'all ending' achievement. So my first FHN playthrough is finished, I'm going to try to rescue my mage from my laptop and transfer her to my pc or back to my laptop when it is fixed. *fingers crossed*
Otherwise I have to start a new playthrough because I'm suddenly a big fan of the Zevran romance. (and I want the kiss like in Sabriana's picture)

One question... does anyone know what I have to 'rescue' for the transfer?
I was thinking about taking the entire Bioware file from my documents, but it was kinda big. xD
Will my mage file from the characters folder be enough?

I want to save my Zevran romance.

[ejoslin]

Raiynsong wrote...

Regarding what someone said about Zevran being comfortable around people other than the warden. I'm not sure I believe that, exactly. My take on it is that with others, he can easily slip into a "persona" --the sexy assassin rake-- whereas with the warden he finds himself unable to carry that out. Maybe at the beginning it has to do with his oath but obviously as his feelings grow it has more to do with that.

I agree that the only person Zevran lets himself be himself with is the Warden.  I'm not sure that he's uncomfortable with people (he really seems to be a genuine people person) so much as, as you put it, he slips into a persona.  He does like to perform, for sure.  

It's hard to say.  When you listen to his banters, he definitely comes across as open; he laughs off insults, plays along and teases everyone, flirts, has fun.  He's genuinely a fun person, I think, with a fabulous personality.  What most people don't see, that the warden does, is the pain.  But most of us don't bleed all over everyone we speak with, even with our friends.  It's only the warden who he opens up with.  But I'm not sure that indicates comfort level -- he's just a very easy going person to begin with.  He's fun to have in a party because of that.

Gah, I am changing my mind all over the place on this.  

Well, nothing to do with comfort but . . . does anyone else go squee when he threatens people?  I swear, one of the sexiest moments in game is when he threatens to slit Anora's throat and throw her in the river.  Another one is when he tells Murdock that ingrates have a remarkably low survival rate.  WHY I love those lines, I'm not sure!  But they're sexy anyway.

Edit: Ramante, your mage file should be enough, but I wouldn't delete anything just in case!

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mars 2010 - 07:47 .

[Ramante]

ejoslin wrote...
Well, nothing to do with comfort but . . . does anyone else go squee when he threatens people?  I swear, one of the sexiest moments in game is when he threatens to slit Anora's throat and throw her in the river.  Another one is when he tells Murdock that ingrates have a remarkably low survival rate.  WHY I love those lines, I'm not sure!  But they're sexy anyway.

I love what he tells Murdock. Another line I like is when you take him to the tower and he tells Wynne that the Warden knows how to deal with attackers, and that he knows that from experience.

The thing I like about Zevran (and sometimes Sten has it too) is that he seems to know what is going on in every situation. They really see the bigger picture even when the Warden hasn't seen it yet. (especially during the first playthrough) In Orzammar this is really clear, the things Zevran says about Harrowmont was a big surprise to me, I had never looked at the situation that way.

Modifié par Ramante, 02 mars 2010 - 07:52 .

[Charsen]

Ramante wrote...
The thing I like about Zevran (and sometimes Sten has it too) is that he seems to know what is going on in every situation. They really see the bigger picture even when the Warden hasn't seen it yet. (especially during the first playthrough) In Orzammar this is really clear, the things Zevran says about Harrowmont was a big surprise to me, I had never looked at the situation that way.

Hmm, you know, I seem to recall Zevran saying something when my Warden was leaning towards Harrowmont, and especially when my Warden was playing both sides, but I don't remember who Zevran supported. That's one of my decisions in the game that i regret, since Harrowmont turned out the way he did. Somehow I was convinced he was a better choice. <_<

[Ramante]

Charsen wrote...

Ramante wrote...
The thing I like about Zevran (and sometimes Sten has it too) is that he seems to know what is going on in every situation. They really see the bigger picture even when the Warden hasn't seen it yet. (especially during the first playthrough) In Orzammar this is really clear, the things Zevran says about Harrowmont was a big surprise to me, I had never looked at the situation that way.

Hmm, you know, I seem to recall Zevran saying something when my Warden was leaning towards Harrowmont, and especially when my Warden was playing both sides, but I don't remember who Zevran supported. That's one of my decisions in the game that i regret, since Harrowmont turned out the way he did. Somehow I was convinced he was a better choice. <_<

Same here, Harrowmont seems like the best choice (especially after the DN origin). First time I sided with him but I didn't had Zev with me that time. If you do have Zev with you he asks if you really want to side with someone who needs others to fight his fight for him (Provings).

[EccentricSage]

ejoslin wrote...

Raiynsong wrote...

Regarding what someone said about Zevran being comfortable around people other than the warden. I'm not sure I believe that, exactly. My take on it is that with others, he can easily slip into a "persona" --the sexy assassin rake-- whereas with the warden he finds himself unable to carry that out. Maybe at the beginning it has to do with his oath but obviously as his feelings grow it has more to do with that.

I agree that the only person Zevran lets himself be himself with is the Warden.  I'm not sure that he's uncomfortable with people (he really seems to be a genuine people person) so much as, as you put it, he slips into a persona.  He does like to perform, for sure.  

It's hard to say.  When you listen to his banters, he definitely comes across as open; he laughs off insults, plays along and teases everyone, flirts, has fun.  He's genuinely a fun person, I think, with a fabulous personality.  What most people don't see, that the warden does, is the pain.  But most of us don't bleed all over everyone we speak with, even with our friends.  It's only the warden who he opens up with.  But I'm not sure that indicates comfort level -- he's just a very easy going person to begin with.  He's fun to have in a party because of that.

Gah, I am changing my mind all over the place on this.  

Well, nothing to do with comfort but . . . does anyone else go squee when he threatens people?  I swear, one of the sexiest moments in game is when he threatens to slit Anora's throat and throw her in the river.  Another one is when he tells Murdock that ingrates have a remarkably low survival rate.  WHY I love those lines, I'm not sure!  But they're sexy anyway.

Edit: Ramante, your mage file should be enough, but I wouldn't delete anything just in case!

Ah, see... this is part of why this character is dear to me.  The difference between his guarded and unguarded self.  I can say from personal experience, that under some circumstances one learns to act comfortable with people... to act open and unguarded... when realy there is a seperation.  It's hard to explain in non-personal terms, but I recognise it.

I, for example, can behave that way... joke, laugh off insults, charm strangers... it's a realy fun thing... but there is a disconect between one's self and those people you are interacting with.  They can't effect you because you will not let them effect you.  It makes you strong and adaptable, but it also makes you alone in the crowd.  And when you are away, they have no lasting meaning to you.

But, if you connect with someone, LIKE someone, they effect you.  And it is at times deaply unsettling, even as it is what any sane person lives for... to feal connected.  It really does make one more awkward with said person, or people, more shy, because in such a state you are vulnerable.

It's like your computer's firewall when interacting with the internet.  It's a firewall for interacting with people.  It keeps any ill intentions, or any repercussions of your words or actions, from haveing an devistating efect on your core programing, the way you think, who you know you are.  But when you let a connection through, let it interact, you are to some degree at the other's mercy.

I think it's something one forms if they don't fit in with normal society for whatever reason, and have known some act of betrayal after having invested their emotions in something or someone.  Just like with a computer, you're a fool if you let a virus get in again.  As long as you are keeping others out, you can be confident, but if yu are letting others in, that all goes out the window.


LOL  The idea of him threatening people, of his own free will, but in your defence, is very sexy.  It shows how powerful his sence of loyalty is, and that it's more than just because he's your indenture.  If it were only that he works for you, he'd have no reason to speek up... if you wanted him to kill someone you'd order him to.  But no, he's building a real relationship with you and WANTS to kill for you if it ever is necassary.  Unlike the others in your party, he'll go out of his way to show his willingness.  It's realy very sweet. 

Modifié par EccentricSage, 02 mars 2010 - 08:31 .

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

Some things ARE dynamic, though I don't understand the rhyme or reason to them.

Ah, well thank you for the info and proving me wrong! I only have one completed romance with him, so unfortunately it limits me a bit in the different scenarios I can try out.

Jaulen, how could you roleplay a DE threatening to side with the werewolves? I can't picture it. XD Luckily, my HN is so annoyed with the Dalish that it's a natural reaction for her. Ahhh, I should get to that part tonight, and I can't wait to see Zevran's reaction! Wait, forget the hearts, I'm not supposed to be in love with him... >.>

Oh, and for those of you saying warriors are too slow, just try a DW longsword AoE build. Get your strength up and pick up Dual Weapon Sweep and Whirlwind ASAP. Then have fun piling all the enemies on you and slicing them all down in three seconds. It's a lot of fun, and I find it very different than the single target DW rogue approach. My girl has been nigh on unstoppable this whole game. Plus you don't even need a true tank, so you can try different party builds.


*sigh* It'll be so nice to finally play a mage so I won't have to have Morrigan with me. I'll finally be able to put Sten, Shale, and Oghren to more use. I love them but I know the least about them, as they've never fit with my party before...

[Cuddlezarro]

Luckily, my HN is so annoyed with the Dalish that it's a natural reaction for her

Alexander is like that as well



he also has a nasty habit of venting his frustration out onto people he doesnt know :E

[Jaulen]

I was playing the DE siding with the Warewolves hoping that I could Lull them into a false sense of security and then kill them all, but then Zevran piped up and there went that idea.



I think I'm having more fun playing now that I'm not taking any mages with. And it looks really werid in camp now that Wynne left (Well Wynne, I hope the darkspawn get you too!) So maybe it will be off to Orzammar tonight so I can get Oghren and have the camp seem a little more populated.



Also will have to check out the mod list on the Group page. (thanks!!!! )

[barkingM1]

Ramante wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Well, nothing to do with comfort but . . . does anyone else go squee when he threatens people?  I swear, one of the sexiest moments in game is when he threatens to slit Anora's throat and throw her in the river.  Another one is when he tells Murdock that ingrates have a remarkably low survival rate.  WHY I love those lines, I'm not sure!  But they're sexy anyway.

I love what he tells Murdock. Another line I like is when you take him to the tower and he tells Wynne that the Warden knows how to deal with attackers, and that he knows that from experience.

The thing I like about Zevran (and sometimes Sten has it too) is that he seems to know what is going on in every situation. They really see the bigger picture even when the Warden hasn't seen it yet. (especially during the first playthrough) In Orzammar this is really clear, the things Zevran says about Harrowmont was a big surprise to me, I had never looked at the situation that way.

I also always make sure to have him with me when talking to the Crowmeister in Denerim - great byplay between the two.  And the "Is this true, Zevran" option just makes it that much more personal.

Modifié par barkingM1, 02 mars 2010 - 09:14 .

[Charsen]

EccentricSage wrote...

LOL  The idea of him threatening people, of his own free will, but in your defence, is very sexy.  It shows how powerful his sence of loyalty is, and that it's more than just because he's your indenture.  If it were only that he works for you, he'd have no reason to speek up... if you wanted him to kill someone you'd order him to.  But no, he's building a real relationship with you and WANTS to kill for you if it ever is necassary.  Unlike the others in your party, he'll go out of his way to show his willingness.  It's realy very sweet. 

It is quite sweet, very appreciable, and devastatingly sexy.

The others follow you toward the end because they want to destroy the Blight. Sten thinks your cause is just. Wynne was at Ostagar already, and this is her final cause. Leliana had a vision from the Maker about all of this. Oghren hates Darkspawn. Alistair, well, that goes without saying. Morrigan follows you for her ultimate cunning plan. 

The ones that follow the Warden because they appreciate him/her more than their need to destroy the Blight are... Shale and Zevran. Of course Zevran is no friend of the darkspawn, but he never would have gotten involved with the blight had it not been for the Warden. Shale respects the Warden (depending on your choice) and follows initially because she doesn't really know what else to do, and the Warden seems as good of a choice as any.

I suppose the test for this is... Would every Companion be concerned about the Blight if you hadn't rolled on by? Zevran would not. And so his loyalty to you is entirely expressed in his willingness to fight a massive enemy that would otherwise be in his periphery. Furthermore, the fact that he stays with the Warden (if you live), even if you take the throne (though grudgingly), and only returns to Antiva if you die, seems to indicate that the Warden was his only tie to the cause whatsoever.

One could argue about the benefits of such blind devotion versus the benefits of a companion with multiple reasons for their association with the Warden, but it's really moot since either path would still accomplish the Warden's goal (to end the Blight). However, Zevran's eventual adoration for the Warden was the image of classic selfless love, and in that, it was quite admirable.

[Addai]

Question for the esteemed panel. Over in an Alistair thread, I was asking people what they thought Alistair and the PC (particularly one who is queen and/or chancellor) would do about Anora after the Blight ends, if they would give her the Lady Boleyn treatment, put her under house arrest, etc. A lot of us figured the latter, even though hardened Alistair does seem to be contemplating the "off with her head" route at the Landsmeet.

Anyway, my question is this- say that King Alistair and his adored bride have Anora under house arrest and find out that she is plotting against them, or for whatever reason they decide that it's time for Anora to have an accident. Does she- she being my HNF character who cares for Zevran a great deal though they never slept together- send Zevran to do the job?

Or just say that it is any other situation where she needs a court assassin. Would she make Zevran go back to his old profession? Would he want to do that, barring a situation where the PC's life would be in immediate danger?

Modifié par Addai67, 02 mars 2010 - 09:17 .

[Raiynsong]

Addai67 wrote...

Raiynsong wrote...

Hmm. I had Sten in Haven and he asked to see Alistair fight but didn't challenge me. We were still at neutral, though, so maybe that's why.

What?  That's odd.  This is the first time you've been to Haven?

yeah first time on that char.  He didn't challenge me at all.

[Sabriana]

Lordy, I just did the werewolves, and Zevran's plea is beautiful. I'm so glad my amazon # 2 was able to give in.

As for Ignacio, yes I do know that Zevran attacked (verbally) first, but the whole wh*hreson thing rubbed me entirely wrong. Honest, I so wish I could have my PC tell Ignacio to stfu.



My next one is in my head already. I will play Lisse (dc) but I love playing humans. My planned rogue will be awesome. She'll rock your socks.

*makes note to bug the heck out of Addai*

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Question for the esteemed panel. Over in an Alistair thread, I was asking people what they thought Alistair and the PC (particularly one who is queen and/or chancellor) would do about Anora after the Blight ends, if they would give her the Lady Boleyn treatment, put her under house arrest, etc. A lot of us figured the latter, even though hardened Alistair does seem to be contemplating the "off with her head" route at the Landsmeet.

Anyway, my question is this- say that King Alistair and his adored bride have Anora under house arrest and find out that she is plotting against them, or for whatever reason they decide that it's time for Anora to have an accident. Does she- she being my HNF character who cares for Zevran a great deal though they never slept together- send Zevran to do the job?

Or just say that it is any other situation where she needs a court assassin. Would she make Zevran go back to his old profession? Would he want to do that, barring a situation where the PC's life would be in immediate danger?

Should Anora be killed? Yes.  She has supporters, it's stupid to let her live.  Letting her live is inviting civil war.  Should Zevran do it? No.  If she's killed in a way like that, it will look sneaky and devious.  Especially in the case of my HNF play throughs.  She should be executed, and it should be for treason, and it should be out in the open.

I don't think Alistair would kill Anora, though.  And in that case, it would be stupid for the HNF to arrange for her execution.