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[Addai]

Jaulen wrote...

I was playing the DE siding with the Warewolves hoping that I could Lull them into a false sense of security and then kill them all, but then Zevran piped up and there went that idea.

I wish they had made this scenario where you only suggest to kill Zathrian.  It would seem a lot less genocidal.  In my head, that's what my HNF was thinking when she suggested it. 

I think I'm having more fun playing now that I'm not taking any mages with. And it looks really werid in camp now that Wynne left (Well Wynne, I hope the darkspawn get you too!)

If she gets her wish, that is likely to happen.  Of course, maybe she's counting on her Fade Fairy to whisk her away.

You're not taking Morrigan?  I heart Morrigan.  Even my mage PC takes her everywhere.  Besides, her hexes and glyphs add the extra oomph to our spellpower.

[Raiynsong]

I can't see ANY of my PC's sending an assassin after Anora. It would be a public execution "under law" or she'd do it herself...I wouldn't ever treat Zevran like an employee.



for those of you wanting to leave the mages at home---I'm having fun doing my healer/BM char--the dragons went down much easier than they ever had before. but maybe I'm just getting all my chars better gear and spelling them up better than in earlier playthroughs.



re warriors: LOVED dual wield. Two-handed was a disappointment for me (though some nice swords out there). I found it way too slow to get started, though it is fun later in the game.



I prefer scouts or dual wield tho I am enjoying this healer char. I'm usually a healer in MMO's. I did well through the fade but I'm wondering what I will do at Loghain's fight---maybe I'll use Zevran for that battle.



One thing I like about this game is how, if you have a team that has stayed together through much of the game, they really sound closer during battles the farther in game you are--like they've gelled as a team.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Should Anora be killed? Yes.  She has supporters, it's stupid to let her live.  Letting her live is inviting civil war.  Should Zevran do it? No.  If she's killed in a way like that, it will look sneaky and devious.  Especially in the case of my HNF play throughs.  She should be executed, and it should be for treason, and it should be out in the open.

I don't think Alistair would kill Anora, though.  And in that case, it would be stupid for the HNF to arrange for her execution.

But say there is not enough proof of treason for a public execution.  Or just leave out Anora altogether and picture another situation where an assassin is called for.  The question I'm getting at is:  Is it cruel to make Zevran go back to his profession?  Would a friend of his really ask him to do this, knowing he's now free?  And what would he think about this?

[Nonvita]

Addai67 wrote...

You're not taking Morrigan?  I heart Morrigan.  Even my mage PC takes her everywhere.  Besides, her hexes and glyphs add the extra oomph to our spellpower.

I hexes.

Addai, your question is a good one but I think ejoslin already made the best argument, so I will not beleaguer the point. =P
So I'll ask a question instead- what do those of you who became Queen (or King) while romancing Zevran think he will do in the future? Will he be an assassin for the throne, or do you see him doing something else?

I ask because my HN who's not romancing him will probably keep him on as an assassin, besides having him rebuild the GWs with her (erm, ignoring him not being in Awakening). With my CE who romanced him, I could easily see him opening up a small shop (to sell of all the loot she comes across in her travels, of course!), but with an HN on the throne I have a hard time imagining any work outside remaining an assassin...

Edit: Ah, well, we are asking the same things now.

Modifié par Nonvita, 02 mars 2010 - 09:39 .

[Sabriana]

No, he will not be an assassin. He already regrets too much, my girls will never ask him to tack onto that. He is a wonderful trainer and coach imo, and a great recruiter. My bestest girl ever has him working for the GWs with her, and they are very happy.

Amazon # 2 will have a different take. She will become the Teyrna of Gwaren, and if anyone tries to get her to abandon Zevran, they will have another thing coming. And even though she is going to be Teyrna, she will strenghten the GWs in Ferelden. Wiith his help.

[Jaulen]

Anora should be executed. After all, she very publically stated that she would never give up her claim to the throne (this makes me gag, she HAS no claim compared to Alistair), so she's a pretender after power.....and dangerous since she has supporters that could rally for her cause. Best senario for Alistair (if not married to Anora) is to execute her as a threat to the throne/Fereldan's peace and unity.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Should Anora be killed? Yes.  She has supporters, it's stupid to let her live.  Letting her live is inviting civil war.  Should Zevran do it? No.  If she's killed in a way like that, it will look sneaky and devious.  Especially in the case of my HNF play throughs.  She should be executed, and it should be for treason, and it should be out in the open.

I don't think Alistair would kill Anora, though.  And in that case, it would be stupid for the HNF to arrange for her execution.

But say there is not enough proof of treason for a public execution.  Or just leave out Anora altogether and picture another situation where an assassin is called for.  The question I'm getting at is:  Is it cruel to make Zevran go back to his profession?  Would a friend of his really ask him to do this, knowing he's now free?  And what would he think about this?

There's enough proof -- she refused to swear fealty.  That is treason.  What should be done is she should be allowed to swear again, and when she refuses, she should be executed.  If she does it, she should be kept under house arrest.

Is it cruel to ask Zevran to execute her?  No.  He'd like the chance, really, if she double crossed your warden.

Edit: Having Anora assassinated instead of executed would give her supporters a reason to start rabble rousing, though.

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mars 2010 - 09:59 .

[Charsen]

Jaulen wrote...

Anora should be executed. After all, she very publically stated that she would never give up her claim to the throne (this makes me gag, she HAS no claim compared to Alistair), so she's a pretender after power.....and dangerous since she has supporters that could rally for her cause. Best senario for Alistair (if not married to Anora) is to execute her as a threat to the throne/Fereldan's peace and unity.

It's amusing to me that Anora claimed the throne by virtue of Cailan's heritage, yet still said that Cailan was an idealist/romantic leader without practical leading skills and nearly unfit to be king (which is what allowed her to develop the skills to manage what he could not)... and then turn to Alistair and dismiss his claim to the throne for the same reasons.

Geez. Nobles. It's like Days of Our Lives except no one can change the channel.  

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

You're not taking Morrigan?  I heart Morrigan.  Even my mage PC takes her everywhere.  Besides, her hexes and glyphs add the extra oomph to our spellpower.

I hexes.

Addai, your question is a good one but I think ejoslin already made the best argument, so I will not beleaguer the point. =P
So I'll ask a question instead- what do those of you who became Queen (or King) while romancing Zevran think he will do in the future? Will he be an assassin for the throne, or do you see him doing something else?

I ask because my HN who's not romancing him will probably keep him on as an assassin, besides having him rebuild the GWs with her (erm, ignoring him not being in Awakening). With my CE who romanced him, I could easily see him opening up a small shop (to sell of all the loot she comes across in her travels, of course!), but with an HN on the throne I have a hard time imagining any work outside remaining an assassin...

Edit: Ah, well, we are asking the same things now.

LOL< you know I already see him and the HNF in her Teyrnir in Gwaren, raising babies (hopefully), with him as the royal bodyguard.  Honestly, they'd be bored, most likely, and spend a lot of time away, rebuilding the grey wardens.

[Sabriana]

I truly don't know what to make of Anora. She is po'd enough at Logain, when her father talks about Cailan being a fool. She is also genuine enough when the PC talks to her. Her 'rose-bush' story is heart-warming. Her telling my PC that she loved Cailan rings true, especially when she says "marry his brother?"

Her reaction to Teagan at the gathering of nobles tells me that she did love Cailan, and that perhaps the situation got out of hand. However, she can't bring herself to oppose Loghain.

Loghain's talk about her shows a manipulator, but still, I can't really fault her for that. She wasn't enough of a manipulator to keep her father from assuming command. She seems to have a very weak spot for those she loves.

I do love chosing Loghain to do the sacrifice. And I definitely love Alistair's line to my PC afterward.

"If Anora thinks she can rule alone, she will be surprised." Bravo, Alistair. Good on you.

[Sabriana]

Days of our lives? What's that, Charsen?

[Charsen]

Sabriana wrote...

Days of our lives? What's that, Charsen?

Some show about rich people with problems that my grandmother used to watch when I was a kid.

I used to lie on the floor and pretend to be dead. Never fooled her though.

My Warden should have tried it when Anora rolled around. It might have worked.. this time..

Modifié par Charsen, 02 mars 2010 - 10:05 .

[Sabriana]

Ah, an American Seifenoper. All lubricant with bursting bubbles. Pretend to be dead? I do like your sense of humor, Charsen.

[Addai]

The Zevran crowd is a lot tougher on Anora than the Alistair harem was. Irony. LOL Your scenario is a good one, ejoslin. Though maybe I introduced a red herring by mentioning Anora.



I guess what I am getting at is this- would a part of Zevran ever miss his old life, such that if a real need arises, he would *want* to be called upon? The thing my HNF would go back and forth on would be, if she has a real need to have someone taken out, she would want it done right, by someone she trusts. At any other time she would do it herself, but as queen she has too much visibility and it would be a great risk to do it herself. Zevran himself implies to Alistair and to her that he would make his services available. However, sending Zevran off to do her dirty work would make HNF feel pretty sick at heart. It could be a scenario where she has to choose which she values more- protecting Alistair and (to throw another hypothetical out there) the miracle heir, or protecting the dignity of her friend. I'm sure that cases like that would make her say "now why did I choose that Persuade option again?"

[ejoslin]

Oh, Zevran is still an assassin. He would do whatever, it wouldn't bother him. He'd be glad to help. Though my HNF would probably be hesitant to ask him to do anything that would involve seduction of a mark since at least that had changed for him. However, he kicks enough ass that I like to think it wouldn't be necessary.

Edit: And I think the Zevran crowd is a bit less sentimental than the Alistair crowd.

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mars 2010 - 10:19 .

[EccentricSage]

If the king or queen or Grey Wardens were under threat, and it couldn't be proven or handled diplomatically, then I don't think it would be wrong for Zevran to assassinate the threat. I wouldn't ORDER him to do it, but I personally imagine he'd likely volunteer. He has no qualms with the idea of killing someone who has it coming, and enjoys the intrigue and challenge of the profession. His biggest issue with the Crows was that he was a slave, and that they are cruel and don't value the lives of their assassins, much less the lives of bystanders and such. I think his regrets seem to be for the people who died for whom it wasn't really just, but he hjad to do it because it's his job. I don't think he ever came to see the act of killing it's self as wrong. Sometimes people need to die. lol A sentiment I agree with.

[Sabriana]

Hmm. I guess that's were we would differ. He expressed too much regrets for his past. My girls would never force him into it ever again. They wouldn't want him to regret, or console himself for his actions.

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

LOL< you know I already see him and the HNF in her Teyrnir in Gwaren, raising babies (hopefully), with him as the royal bodyguard.  Honestly, they'd be bored, most likely, and spend a lot of time away, rebuilding the grey wardens.

Ahh, I see. Well, I knew you'd be together, but I didn't know exactly what you'd be doing. Doing nothing sounds like a good option, though, I suppose.

I guess I just don't him remaining an assassin as as bad of a thing as others. To me it's entirely different from returning to the Crows, because it wouldn't be under the same oppressive circumstances. I honestly don't think he minds being an assassin (I realize the dialogue where he says that is early on, so maybe his feelings change, but I believe he was honest in it). I think working for the throne could be a position of respect, and if he felt like his services were useful in that way then I can imagine him willingly taking it up again.

That's not to say I can't see him doing anything else, I just don't think it's entirely not an option. And considering how busy your HN will probably be, he's going to be doing a lot of sitting around... Maybe he'll become more cultured by spending his time in the Denerim library? Or he could take up knitting!

Of course, once he and the Warden have a child (and I say once, not if =P) it's an entirely different story. Then he'd quit anything that could put him in danger and devote himself to raising the child.
Ahhh, someone get these thoughts out of my head....

Edit: Curse my slow response time!

Modifié par Nonvita, 02 mars 2010 - 10:25 .

[ejoslin]

Yeh, the one sad thing about my scenario is that the babies would be claimed by Alistair, not Zevran. But really, don't you think a Cousland/Arainai child would be a helluva king? Great genetic stock there!

[Sabriana]

Oh lordy, the child talk is so awesome. I can so picture him with a babe in arms. If it's a m/m relationship they can always liberate a child from somewhere. My bestest girl ever will definitely try to give him one. Or die trying. What a great way to go.



Sorry Nonvita. Can't do. Zevran and Warden and child. *sigh*

[ejoslin]

Sabriana, you're not kidding. After his talks with Shale, gah, the softy! I see he and my city elf in Gwaren, *sigh* You wonder at how the country will take that, having elves as their Teyrna and, hmmm, what would Zevran be? Even if married, I don't think he'd be the Teyrn.  Hahahaha, it's fun to think about at least!  The gossip around the country would be interesting.

Edit: I think he'd just be amused 

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 mars 2010 - 10:37 .

[barkingM1]

None of my girls - or boys, for that matter - would ask Zev to do a hit for them. His regrets & determination to start over ring too true, & he's been damaged enough. Now, I could easily see him taking matters into his own hands without being asked if he felt his love was being threatened. If one of my more amoral PCs felt it necessary to have Anora put down outside the law, they would do it themselves & give Zev the opportunity to come along, which I expect he would. But I would never treat Zev like a murder-boy for hire.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Oh, Zevran is still an assassin. He would do whatever, it wouldn't bother him. He'd be glad to help. Though my HNF would probably be hesitant to ask him to do anything that would involve seduction of a mark since at least that had changed for him. However, he kicks enough ass that I like to think it wouldn't be necessary.

I do wonder if she didn't ask him, if he would feel insulted.  I could see him coming to her after a botched attempt and saying, with a sigh, "now will you let me do it?" 

Edit: And I think the Zevran crowd is a bit less sentimental than the Alistair crowd.

I was surprised that some people were shocked at the idea.  The implication seemed to be "Alistair would never do that," when the reason I thought about it was because a hardened Alistair himself heads that way.  I like your scenario, however, of asking her again to swear fealty.  That forces her to put her own head on the block.

The Antivan would no doubt shake his head at Fereldan scruples.

[Cuddlezarro]

If it's a m/m relationship they can always liberate a child from somewhere.

Dwarf nobles dont need to liberate a child from any where since they also ready have one



and I know Alexander is going to try his darndest to put an heir on the throne even if the very thought of the act is not appealing expecially since his heart does belong to Zevy

[EccentricSage]

The question to ask yourself, is 'why WOULDN'T he want to assassinate someone who'd dare threaten his friends?' I think it would be OOC for him not to want to kill them. And I don't think killing is amoral under such circumstances at all. There's no reason to regret it. It's naive to think even in our world that life can exist without someone somewhere having to kill for the welfare of others. It's even more so in their world where you gain power by steeling thrones, and where your country is small and poor compared to some of it's powerful and wealthy neighbors, whom have no qualms with stooping to any low to get what they want. Ferelden isn't just going to peacefully coexist, lower nobles aren't going to honorably serve in adoration of the King and Queen, and there will be more than Darkspawn to kill in their future. Always has been, always will be.



Should Ferelden become powerful and thus feared enough to not be directly attacked, there will be arms races and secret plots to undermine Ferelden's power. It's practically a law of human nature. Some ass hole will screw things up, and need to die. The fewer people effected in taking out said ****, the better. If you can assassinate and avoid warfare, then assassination is practical and justified... honorable even. Civilizations are always built upon bones, no matter how deeply buried.