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Cuddlezarro wrote...

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Thank you so much, barkingM1.

CZ. That picture. I don't think I can say anything that hasn't already been said.  I'm not sure I could handle head ripping action.  



what dont like our OOOOOHHHHH face :giggles histericaly:


That smile. Just.  I don't even know what to say!

Edit: Of course.  I always post without thinking and regret it!

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Cuddlezarro wrote...

Yeah I think we ruined our reputations here by showing off our frightening appearance Oh-faces. /images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png

I know, I mean the human male as hairy, that's hot, but I never can picture an elf to be hairy. I was using another mod, but tried to get a shot of the head-ripping action with the erect one. I downloaded the current one but it doesn't seem to clip anymore. It was so funny when it did, though.


I have a screenshot of HAWT HEAD RIPPING ACTION actually if you want I could upload it


*dying*  Yes please.  XD 

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ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Thank you so much, barkingM1.

CZ. That picture. I don't think I can say anything that hasn't already been said.  I'm not sure I could handle head ripping action.  



what dont like our OOOOOHHHHH face :giggles histericaly:


That smile. Just.  I don't even know what to say!

Edit: Of course.  I always post without thinking and regret it!


:giggles:

Ill upload some more screenies then

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Both you and CZ have handsome PC's, but that mods O-face is absolutely horrible.

Edit* Charsen, if you do keep us updated.


thanks!! i love my mage's looks... But in that one scene I just can't stop laughing. Or crying. Or fleeing. Something.

I definitely will keep this thread updated! Dunno if I will be able to produce anything, but you guys are my favorite thread here, so I'll try! I have some midterms this week but plan to keep working on the toolset stuff. So far I found some curious scripts here. From the looks of it, I might have more control over it than I thought, so we'll see if I can actually make anything come out of this... *cracks knuckles*

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Thank you so much, barkingM1.

CZ. That picture. I don't think I can say anything that hasn't already been said.  I'm not sure I could handle head ripping action.  



what dont like our OOOOOHHHHH face :giggles histericaly:

I also have a picture that looks like Im ripping into Zevs buttcheek


Ughh I know exactly which one you mean. I cringe every time I see it. :crying:

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Ughh I know exactly which one you mean. I cringe every time I see it. ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png


its even worse because Zevs skin also looks like its been charred for some reason

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The thread is raucous tonight.  And I see Wynne's face faaar too much!  That is the stuff of nightmares, CZ!!!

For future reference since we discussed it a while back:  Zevran does not give an approval bump if you kill Vaughn.  He will, however, give a drop if you let him go (I got -5).  Naturally I reloaded, because Vaughn Kendal can't die enough times for my liking.  I was wondering, where is the lock box that he mentions?  He says it's in his room but there doesn't appear to be one?

I also got +4 for releasing Soris.  That puts my girl at +71.  Ohhh, good things start happening at 71!  Can't wait to get back to camp!  :wub:

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OMG 10 pages to catch up on



Welcome back Creature and Jenovan.



Ugh to the Wynn pron. (not cause she's old but cause she's WYNN)



I had the BSC for a bit and it was less enjoyable than the vanilla. so I uninstalled it. I also didn't like the fact that the version of natural bodies used for the BSC gave all males erections all the time (disturbing to see those guys in Fort Drakon like that. and the scene at the Urn ! sacrilege! (Wynn would probably disapprove)



Regarding the "content" questions --- I can't ever see my pc ORDERING or ASKING Zevran to assassinate someone. But I can see Zevran doing it if he felt it needed to be done. I'd much prefer Anora to be an execution -- I don't really want Alistair's kingship to be marred by an assassination and don't want to create rebels.



My PCs all end up with Zevran rebuilding the wardens. It just seems to me as if, once you are a grey warden, that duty takes precedence over everything else. In fact, that's my preferred ending for Alistair as well--Anora stays queen (cause who needs the politics ?) and Alistair and the PC help rebuild the wardens. I could imagine a neutral chaotic/"bad" char just going off with Zevran and them "going into business" together. But I really don't think Zevran likes that kind of life. I think he appreicates his skill at killing but I think he REALLY likes killing for a cause rather than for coin. I can't quite see him going back to "hired gun" But of course, that's the Zevran that's in MY head.



What bothers me about Alistair is not so much his naivete it's that once he's in love with you he takes you totally for granted. Then later, he doesn't propose, gets mad if you set him up for marriage, and dumps you if you don't. He's a GREAT first relationship tho. Sexy as hell voice, sweetly romantic till he gets you in the sack.



oh and I don't want to jinx myself but I've already done the hair/shoes/Marjolen stuff and Leliana is just in "friend" :) hopefully no ninjalove this time.

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I think the lock box is the one to the right when you take the left into Howe's bedroom. It has a bunch of treasure there. I always kill Vaughn if he's not dead already.

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Cuddlezarro wrote...

Ughh I know exactly which one you mean. I cringe every time I see it. ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png


its even worse because Zevs skin also looks like its been charred for some reason


Yeah I noticed that too. Is that on all male elves?

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Charsen wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Ughh I know exactly which one you mean. I cringe every time I see it. ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png


its even worse because Zevs skin also looks like its been charred for some reason


Yeah I noticed that too. Is that on all male elves?


I wouldent know since I wont touch a Male elf PC

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Raiynsong wrote...

I think the lock box is the one to the right when you take the left into Howe's bedroom. It has a bunch of treasure there. I always kill Vaughn if he's not dead already.

Oh, that one?  So he lies about there being 40 sovereigns in it.  Typical!

Not sure if anyone else gets this, but in my games Zevran is always the last one standing in the fight with Cauthrien.  Here, he had almost his whole health when the rest of us were dead.  I think he would have won, but I let him turn his back to finish off the last archer and Cauthrien got him.  I like Captured anyway, so I let it stand.

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And somehow my approval is only at 62!!  I swear that is a glitch.  She was at 67 last night and had the approval bump with Soris.  Bummer.

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Cuddlezarro wrote...

Charsen wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Ughh I know exactly which one you mean. I cringe every time I see it. ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png


its even worse because Zevs skin also looks like its been charred for some reason


Yeah I noticed that too. Is that on all male elves?


I wouldent know since I wont touch a Male elf PC


Yeah, love the beef on the HM. I might roll up a male elf to see if it's the case. If it's like that for all male elves, I know a few Oblivion artists I can beg for a retex.

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Yeah, love the beef on the HM. I might roll up a male elf to see if it's
the case. If it's like that for all male elves, I know a few Oblivion
artists I can beg for a retex.


every time iv tried to make a male Elf pc I have quit after the origin story

I dont like Elves in general (Zevran, Viconia from BG1+2 and Sand from NWN2 are the exceptions) and I cant stand playing as them

not only that when ever I make them they end up looking like 15 year old bishi boys from a freaking Yaoi manga

and let me tell you I *hate* bishis I really really do I like my men looking like you know MEN not flat chested women with cancerous looking growths between there legs

of coarse I did enjoy Gale my psychotic elven maiden but thats because I pretty much took the "fair elven maiden that needs rescuing" concept and drop kicked it out a 30 story window

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I think (and I'm probably in the minority here) that Zevran would continue to be an assassin. Believe him or not, I don't think he was lying when he said he enjoyed doing it, but notice that he does, in the dialogue, point out that there is a difference between assassination and murder, something Fereldens have a hard time grasping. This would also be highly dependant on what sort of epilogue you're aiming for.

Example #1: You rebuild the Wardens. Fair enough. Not a lot of call for assassinations there. Training and recruiting, sure, and that'd be a full time job.

Example #2: You stay in Denerim. What exactly is going to be happening there to keep him from being bored out of his mind? There's only so much bodyguarding one man can do (chicka chicka bow wow, okay not bodyguarding in that sense!). But helping strengthen Alistair's (he just doesn't seem like an Anora supporter) or the Warden's position on the throne? For sure. Most of the assassinations he talks about, are, in fact, politically motivated and it seems to me he'd be well suited for being able to pick out who might become a threat or already is one (like, I don't know, that guy who ALWAYS supports Loghain, even when all the other Banns go against him).

This isn't to say he goes on some sort of mad killing spree. I would think that good assassinations (are there such things?) take time and planning, meaning they probably wouldn't happen all that often, either, at least on a per assassin basis (like, 1 assassination every few months or something). Zevran admits that such plans aren't his strong suit (if his obvious ambush weren't enough of an indication and it's possible that this is why Taliesin and he are paired up [in a professional capacity - Taliesin strikes me as more the schemer of the two]) but tactics are something that a person can learn and improve on. He's clever enough, but a bit brash and impatient. Match him with a character like my mage, who's a deep thinker, and they both learn from each other. Zevran a bit of patience and planning and my mage that some people just need killing.

Example #3: You travel. This one is open to a lot of interpretation. Maybe you two go to Par Vollen, like he talks about. Maybe the Qun give you both jobs. I dunno, as a mage, I'd be petrified to step foot in that country, they'd cut out my tongue and throw me in jail. But he'd probably need to assassinate some people to rescue me (hopefully before my tongue gets cut out).

And finally - does anyone think, and I mean REALLY think, that the Crows are going to leave him and the Warden alone forever? To me, that sounds impossible, even if he helps rebuild the Wardens. The Crows, after all, have killed kings and princes and it seems to me that deep down, his "escaping" them just sets a bad precident that they're going to have to take care of at some point. This, to me, is the BEST encouragement for him to hone his skills. He's got to be ready when they come after him. Even the worst epilogue seems to indicate that he becomes a better assassin (when he returns to the Crows and takes over). If he's not going to go back, there has to be a clear message that going after him is more trouble than it's worth and throughout the game, no such message is really sent (Taliesin is, for the most part, acting independantly or under the orders from his cell's Master, but one cell out of what, ten? Twenty? A hundred? We don't know.). The Crows might allow him to remain "dead" for a time, but forever? Not a chance.

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Sresla, that's how I see it too. Besides, he's a pragmatist. Pragmatists would never believe you can rule a country with kind words and good intentions alone. Real world history pretty much proves that point. As much as we don't like to think about it, every government has condemned someone to death, most, many many countless someones. Sometimes, people are even condemned for good reasons. I think Alistair and a good PC would only condemn lives for the best reasons, and Zev is the sort who would be honored to be the hand of fate for truly good rulers, and to be recognized and respected as a free man choosing this work, not like being a slave to the Crows.



Besides, being in the King's personal elite service would not only be something to be proud of, it would allow for the sorts of comforts and finer things Zev likes. It would also make him damn near untouchable for the Crows.



And Zev... he strikes me as someone who wants to be a man of action... he doesn't seem like someone who'd be happy to sit idly until catastrophy strikes. (Wich is part of why I'm so disinterested in Awakening. WTF.)

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as I said in the evil Wynne thread I was working on a Zevran banner which was true however I didnt like the one I was working on and scrapped it and restarted from scratch

so heres the new and improved one

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and heres my Deviant art account for those curious about my other stuff~

http://kharn-the-bet...rt.com/gallery/

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Cuddlezarro wrote...

Yeah, love the beef on the HM. I might roll up a male elf to see if it's
the case. If it's like that for all male elves, I know a few Oblivion 
artists I can beg for a retex.


every time iv tried to make a male Elf pc I have quit after the origin story

I dont like Elves in general (Zevran, Viconia from BG1+2 and Sand from NWN2 are the exceptions) and I cant stand playing as them

not only that when ever I make them they end up looking like 15 year old bishi boys from a freaking Yaoi manga

and let me tell you I *hate* bishis I really really do I like my men looking like you know MEN not flat chested women with cancerous looking growths between there legs


lol, yeah. Not into bishi at all either. Either it looks like a kid or it's basically just a female character with something extra... no thanks... Oddly, I almost never go with an elven partner either. Wtf, Zevran, you broke my usual pattern??What a devious elf. 

Sresla wrote...
And finally - does anyone think, and I mean REALLY think, that the Crows are going to leave him and the Warden alone forever? To me, that sounds impossible, even if he helps rebuild the Wardens. The Crows, after all, have killed kings and princes and it seems to me that deep down, his "escaping" them just sets a bad precident that they're going to have to take care of at some point. This, to me, is the BEST encouragement for him to hone his skills. He's got to be ready when they come after him. Even the worst epilogue seems to indicate that he becomes a better assassin (when he returns to the Crows and takes over). If he's not going to go back, there has to be a clear message that going after him is more trouble than it's worth and throughout the game, no such message is really sent (Taliesin is, for the most part, acting independantly or under the orders from his cell's Master, but one cell out of what, ten? Twenty? A hundred? We don't know.). The Crows might allow him to remain "dead" for a time, but forever? Not a chance.


If the Crows know where he is, I have no doubt they would try to finish the deed. It would be a risk for them to send any more assassins while he's with the Warden, seeing as all of their attempts have thus far failed and it's not good for their wallets to continue sending scores of trained assassins they've invested in for years. Perhaps with poison or treachery, but that would take a lot of time. Especially if they expect it, and no doubt Zevran does.

Sadly I don't think Antiva seems a very popular destination in the polls for future expansions/sequels, but hopefully the Crows will make another appearance in some form. So yeah, I agree with you, I think he'd remain an assassin. It's what he knows, and it's what he's good at.

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lol, yeah. Not into bishi at all either. Either it looks like a kid or it's basically just a female character with something extra... no thanks... Oddly, I almost never go with an elven partner either. Wtf, Zevran, you broke my usual pattern??What a devious elf.


yeah Elves tend to be a turn off though i do love the viconia romance

Aeries and the creepy pedoelf romance from NWN2... well lets just say just thinking about them induces great rage

NWN2's Sand is awesome though but he isnt a romance option

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EccentricSage wrote...

And Zev... he strikes me as someone who wants to be a man of action... he doesn't seem like someone who'd be happy to sit idly until catastrophy strikes. (Wich is part of why I'm so disinterested in Awakening. WTF.)


Well, it'll be interesting to see what they've decided Zevran should/isdoing during Awakenings. In my story, he goes off to help Fergus Cousland re-take Highever while the Warden is off doing warden-y stuff. Gotta consider that the Cousland line (with the exception of Fergus and the Warden, if you're playing HN) are gone, as well as all their men/women at arms and it seems to me that whoever Arl Howe put in charge over in Highever wouldn't be the type just to lay down arms because the he's dead - there's some serious political upheaval happening, after all, and they've been entrenched there for a year. Alistair (or Anora) have just taken the throne and are trying to rebuild Denerim while getting the rest of the Arls and Banns in line. Will they have men to spare to help Fergus? No, but an elven assassin who can sneak in and undermine them from within? Yep yep.

Edit: BTW, if they actually do this, I am going to bring this up again in two weeks to say I told you so and crown myself King of all that is Zevran for my precognition.

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How could people NOT want quests in Antiva? It sounds both horrific and fascinating. No doubt it would be far more challenging and full of intrigue than Origins. I'm really hoping they don't just keep doing 'OMGZ, a BLIGHT!? But there's a twist!' expansions... especially if it means no new content for the romanceble characters and other companions.

Sresla wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

And
Zev... he strikes me as someone who wants to be a man of action... he
doesn't seem like someone who'd be happy to sit idly until catastrophy
strikes. (Wich is part of why I'm so disinterested in Awakening.
WTF.)


Well, it'll be interesting to see what they've
decided Zevran should/isdoing during Awakenings. In my story, he goes
off to help Fergus Cousland re-take Highever while the Warden is off
doing warden-y stuff. Gotta consider that the Cousland line (with the
exception of Fergus and the Warden, if you're playing HN) are gone, as
well as all their men/women at arms and it seems to me that whoever Arl
Howe put in charge over in Highever wouldn't be the type just to lay
down arms because the he's dead - there's some serious political
upheaval happening, after all, and they've been entrenched there for a
year. Alistair (or Anora) have just taken the throne and are trying to
rebuild Denerim while getting the rest of the Arls and Banns in line.
Will they have men to spare to help Fergus? No, but an elven assassin
who can sneak in and undermine them from within? Yep yep.


Now THIS would have been a good expansion!  This bit about OMGZ, new darkspawn just sounds so cheep.  I'll save final judgement for after there are spoilers and fan reaction to the actual play, but on the surface, it sonds like DA:O 'and then there were more darkspawn.  surprise!'

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EccentricSage wrote...

How could people NOT want quests in Antiva? It sounds both horrific and fascinating. No doubt it would be far more challenging and full of intrigue than Origins. I'm really hoping they don't just keep doing 'OMGZ, a BLIGHT!? But there's a twist!' expansions... especially if it means no new content for the romanceble characters and other companions.


Yea I dunno either. The most popular destination according to the poll is the Tevinter Imperium, and I'd also love to go there as a loyalist mage. Ooohhh how deliciously fun.

Second most popular destination is Orlais... yawn. But happily Antiva is still in 3rd place, so it's in the running!

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after reading the calling theres no way in hell I want to go to Orlais

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Charsen wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

How could people NOT want quests in Antiva? It sounds both horrific and fascinating. No doubt it would be far more challenging and full of intrigue than Origins. I'm really hoping they don't just keep doing 'OMGZ, a BLIGHT!? But there's a twist!' expansions... especially if it means no new content for the romanceble characters and other companions.


Yea I dunno either. The most popular destination according to the poll is the Tevinter Imperium, and I'd also love to go there as a loyalist mage. Ooohhh how deliciously fun.

Second most popular destination is Orlais... yawn. But happily Antiva is still in 3rd place, so it's in the running!


where is the poll?  I want to vote.  :)

And I realy hope it wouldn't be about saving Antiva from a new type of darkspawn.  *snerk*  :P

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Over in General Discussion, it's the top sticky Dev Question - So they actually will consider what we vote for, I believe!

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also I think Zevran started a new fetish for me

the hot tatooed assassin fetish... I was watching last weeks episode of Caprica on hulu and Sam Adama had his shirt off and wow *drools* its made even hotter by the fact he has a husband *drools*

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