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[Italik]

Rhinna wrote...

It's interesting to see how "Grey Warden" and "darkspawn" are translated as well - I mean, literally translated, doesn't "Gardes de l'ombre" mean something like "Guards of the Shadow (or darkness?)" and engeances...means "mob" or "gang" - I dunno...I am not french or even Quebecois, but I would think a more literal translation would work a bit better?

Well I've never heard the word "Engeances" before so I think it's a word they made up for the game. They use it either for the Blight "l'engeance" or the darkspawns "Les engeances" which I found kinda weird. As per Grey warden, I have no idea what "warden" really means in French, i should look that up but you're right though. Literaly translated "Gardes des ombres" (sorry I made I typo on my last post, it's really "des ombres" and not "de l'ombre'"), it would be "guards of the shadowS (plural)" It's quite poetic actually, espacially when Wynne says it

It's also funny when Alistair goes into a battle yelling "Pour les gardes des ombres!!!" (For the Grey Wardens!!), I mean... shut up  It made me remember these NPC guards in Oblivion "For the Knights of the Niiiiiine!!" brrr...

Ok sorry for the off topic here. Back to Zevvie

Edit: ok I checked the word "engeance" in the dictionnary and it basically means "Vile, dirty species of creatures" which perfectly fits  As per "warden" here it is: warden     n : the chief official in charge of a prison. Now I know what means. Some kind of a watchman, a keeper, a guardian. Sounds better in English I find

Modifié par Italik, 08 janvier 2010 - 03:53 .

[Namirsolo]

In my current playthrough (it's my fourth I think, and I'm a mage) I'm taking forever to advance the story. My mage has been hanging out in camp inviting Zevran into her tent over and over. It seems like there are more responses in the PC version.

I also never tiring of hearing "Si, amor" when I give him a combat action. Another fangirl here. haha

[ejoslin]

The time Zevran offers to die for the PC, as well as the "dark city" speech I believe Zevran will say at 100 Friendly as well as Love. To me, that makes Zevran even more appealing. Ali will die for you if he doesn't want to see you die (ever romanced), or ordered to (slave to duty). Zevran, the motives seem much more pure, and selfless.

It's a true loyalty to the PC. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 janvier 2010 - 12:23 .

[Reajeasa]

Hullo! I thought here would probably be the best place to find this out. I had Zevran in my party when my city elf returned to the Alienage, but when he about the marriage my game glitched up, playing neither subtitles nor sound file. I restarted a few times, but to no avail. So now I don't know what he said! And I do want to know. Anyone know and feel like sharing?

[ejoslin]

Sure. If you're romancing him, and you should have Alistair in your party as well to prevent a weird glitch, he says something like, "A wedding. So you have a secretive side after all." Then when you answer him, Alistair says (or you get a glitch), 'Still, you never told me you were betrothed. What happened?" Then you can answer, and if you give a glib answer, Zevran says, "Well, I'm sure you looked stunning for the occasion." If you say, "he died," Zevran says, "I don't know what to say to that."

Edit: Even I'm impressed by my memory at this point!

Second edit: Zevran sounds extremely hurt during the first part.  It's actually very sad.  The second part, he's either ok or very sad for you, depending on your answer.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 janvier 2010 - 02:15 .

[Jayelet]

I had the affair with Zevran with two distinct characters, like the two times I would say I was impressed even his total loyalty to the character. I just felt sorry when the end Zevran not know that the character can die, you can not say anything, or even may be dismissed in the last minute. I think that should change eventually, you should have the option to be able to tell. Able to say you will die or you can die.

Because if you keep the romance of Alistair, he knows what will happen. While you still Zevran blindly without knowing what your chances of survival

[Namirsolo]

ejoslin wrote...

Sure. If you're romancing him, and you should have Alistair in your party as well to prevent a weird glitch, he says something like, "A wedding. So you have a secretive side after all." Then when you answer him, Alistair says (or you get a glitch), 'Still, you never told me you were betrothed. What happened?" Then you can answer, and if you give a glib answer, Zevran says, "Well, I'm sure you looked stunning for the occasion." If you say, "he died," Zevran says, "I don't know what to say to that."

Edit: Even I'm impressed by my memory at this point!

Second edit: Zevran sounds extremely hurt during the first part.  It's actually very sad.  The second part, he's either ok or very sad for you, depending on your answer.  

Yeah, that part made me really sad. I'd like to think that my character would have told him before that since he had told her about his past. I didn't remember what his response to what I said was, though.

[ejoslin]

Jayelet wrote...

I had the affair with Zevran with two distinct characters, like the two times I would say I was impressed even his total loyalty to the character. I just felt sorry when the end Zevran not know that the character can die, you can not say anything, or even may be dismissed in the last minute. I think that should change eventually, you should have the option to be able to tell. Able to say you will die or you can die.
Because if you keep the romance of Alistair, he knows what will happen. While you still Zevran blindly without knowing what your chances of survival

He already knows, and offered in his own way to die for you, though.  He doesn't know the specifics, but he's the first one to tell you that the gray warden always dies.  Unless their sidekick dies instead.  

Edit: If you get to that dialog, it even updates your codex to say that he wants to be there to prevent your untimely death.  But worded far better than I have here, of course.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 janvier 2010 - 03:57 .

[Jayelet]

If you've lived it, but I mean more to the time when the arch-fiend is defeated, Alistair can stop the person to shed all the dialog about being king and tell you it is your responsibility, but you can not stop you a moment to say goodbye to Zevran.

On the other hand I find it really talks Zevran, Alistair and Morrigan are too short. be great if you delve deeper into the lives of the characters and they deepen yours. Why? nobody asks you did you Gray Warden, with the exception of the supreme moralist Wynne.

But that's my opinion.

With respect to Zevran I love romance, but the truth is a big problem having to decide between Zevran and Alistair, as the two I like.

[Creature 1]

Jayelet wrote...
the truth is a big problem having to decide between Zevran and Alistair, as the two I like.

I don't have that problem. 

[ejoslin]

But I do agree it would be nice to be able to say good bye and give him (or Leliana if you're romancing her) one of those ending kisses. I suppose the writers thought doing that would take away from the power of Alistair's gesture, there, if they considered putting that in at all.

[Creature 1]

ejoslin wrote...
if they considered putting that in at all.

We're on a deadline, tick tock! 

It is funny that they didn't put in something for Lel, since I think a lot of men romance her.  I think they figured most women will romance Alistair.  

[Inzhuna]

When does Zevran offer to die for you? I never had that dialogue
I'm playing with another character to get full Zevran romance again, so maybe will happen now.

Was very surprised yesterday when wanted to side with templars in the Circle, and suddenly, of all people, Zevran begged me to have mercy. Ah, he is winning more and more place in my heart. Move, Alistair, Move!!

Modifié par Inzhuna, 09 janvier 2010 - 08:23 .

[KariTR]

Jayelet wrote...

I had the affair with Zevran with two distinct characters, like the two times I would say I was impressed even his total loyalty to the character. I just felt sorry when the end Zevran not know that the character can die, you can not say anything, or even may be dismissed in the last minute. I think that should change eventually, you should have the option to be able to tell. Able to say you will die or you can die.
Because if you keep the romance of Alistair, he knows what will happen. While you still Zevran blindly without knowing what your chances of survival

Yes it makes the conversation with Morrigan all the more poignant if youre romancing Zevran. When she is persuading me to agree to the Ritual and uses the lover-left-behind-in-grief it really does give my PC pause for thought. Alistair would grieve too, but he isnt going in blind or unforewarned.

ejoslin wrote...
He already knows, and offered in his own way to die for you, though. He doesn't know the specifics, but he's the first one to tell you that the gray warden always dies.  Unless their sidekick dies instead. 
 
Edit: If you get to that dialog, it even updates your codex to say that he wants to be there to prevent your untimely death.  But worded far better than I have here, of course.

Zevran will undoubtably die in your stead, but I'm not convinced he "knows" a Grey Warden has to die. I assumed that was just Zevran's fatalistic belief that a happy ending [for him] was unattainable.

A bit off-topic, but this thread has inspired me to start another game (I don't know whether to laugh or cry). Anyway, I have left Lothering and am at camp contemplating which quest to complete first so I can get Zevran asap. The elf quest would be shortest, but can I do the side-quests there - particularly Cammen - after the main quest is complete? I really want Zevran to be there when I seduce the young elf. 
If not, I guess I will have to do Redcliffe and the Urn without going to the Circle. I've never rescued Zevran from his Fade nightmare and that so appeals as part of the romance.

Modifié par KariTR, 09 janvier 2010 - 08:33 .

[Inzhuna]

If not, I guess I will have to do Redcliffe and the Urn without going to the Circle. I've never rescued Zevran from his Fade nightmare and that so appeals as part of the romance.

I got Zevran encounter from just dealing with Connor, although that might have been a glitch/bug. About Cammen quest, I'm not sure, it might disappear, since his problem is he's not allowed out of forest cause of werewolves.

Yeah I just redid Circle yesterday to see Zevran's and Leliana's dreams

Modifié par Inzhuna, 09 janvier 2010 - 09:10 .

[KariTR]

Inzhuna wrote...

If not, I guess I will have to do Redcliffe and the Urn without going to the Circle. I've never rescued Zevran from his Fade nightmare and that so appeals as part of the romance.

I got Zevran encounter from just dealing with Connor, although that might have been a glitch/bug. About Cammen quest, I'm not sure, it might disappear, since his problem is he's not allowed out of forest cause of werewolves.

Yeah I just redid Circle yesterday to see Zevran's and Leliana's dreams

I will try that with fingers crossed, bug or not. Thanks Inzhuna.

[Sabriana]

I'm with KariTR. I always wondered if you absolutely have to do the Redcliffe quest arc all the way to dealing with the demon to get to the assassin or if there are other ways. Shorter ways. Much, much shorter ways.

As to another post here, somewhere, my girls don't have a problem choosing either. Zevran it is. All the time

My mage (first play-through) went for Alistair, who, in the beginning is very charming and appealing. She did everything she could for him, even to the point of setting asider her feelings about certain issues.

The first rift came when my mage decided to allow Isolde to atone for her crimes by sacrificing herself for her child. She did this for several reasons:

a) Isolde's actions set the whole horror in motion

Isolde acted without keeping her people in mind. She's not an average wife/mother, she's the arlessa

c) I have the habit of letting my PCs talk and listen to just about everyone, at least on first play-through. She felt so very bad for all the people in Redcliffe who lost loved ones, and who where so very terrified. she was impressed that they took up arms to fight for their village nevertheless. That more or less showed my mage the full horror of what had befallen the village.

d) Isolde lied over and over again to Teagan and to my mage in order to hide her crimes (hiding a mage, and hiring an apostate), and her son's affliction

e) Gossips and rumours where abound by this time that all was not well at the mage's tower

f) How could my mage know what the demon in Connor would wreak if not dealt with on the spot. As in now, right away.

So it made no sense to her to go to the tower. She can't explain to Alistair, and he won't listen to any other reason. She also sees now that the whole thing is not about her but about Alistair and Eamon. She's shocked, but things calm down and she forgives Alistair (again).

He gets colder the deeper the romance goes, and brushes her off after sex, when she asks about the future.

What the hey is it with this "my dear" stuff? Hated it. But my silly mage went on with the romance. Then she faces the ultimate humiliation. She gets dumped, and I'm sorry, the reasons he gives sounded bogus to me and my PC alike. To top the humiliation off, she finds that he can be 'persuaded' to have her as his little piece on the side. That's when she turned away from him.

She was flirty with Zevran. I mean he's charming and sexy, so why not. She never went further, but somehow or other she got to 100 with the elf. I forgot to look whether the romance was on, or whether it was loyalty and friendship only, but Zevran is the one who stands by her, and consoles her (so to speak). My heart-broken mage finally saw the light, and realized that she gave her love and affections to the wrong man.

From that first play-through on, Zevran was it. He always will be.

And that, in a nutshell, is the appeal of Zevran. His loyalty, his depths, his never faltering love/friendship.

[Jayelet]

The truth is that you're human and Alistair but noble, given you, why? if you are from elf, dwarf or mage (non-noble elf or human) at the end you only have two options:
1 .- You do queen Anora (piece piece of junk) and you stay with Alistair, making the pact with Morrigan.
2 .- I do king ... so it sends you to walk, as it is his duty to have a child .... etc etc Not that anyone cares nothing Loghain himself, gave you the kingdom, but damn you're human but noble. Here again, but doing the deal with Morrigan, the throne of Anora hands again and if you do, you lose your lover.


Those are the two reasons why I decided to Zevran, to the cares nothing out of character. It seems much more loyal and sincere.

Modifié par Jayelet, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:44 .

[Sabriana]

@ Jayelet
Exactly. I know it's hindsight, or Metagaming (a very abused word, imo), but telling the human mage/elven/dwarven companion that one of the major reasons is the production of an heir, and sorry, but they aren't the right candidates, because they're GWs too and the chances are almost nil, and then turning around and letting the human noble rule beside him as queen is bunk.

They're simply not good enough for the half-breed royal, but a full blooded human noble is. Not even the dwarf noble gets any consideration. And the dwarf noble is a direct descendant from a royal bloodline.

He's king and he can do what he wants more or less. He can marry a mage/elf/dwarf and no one can do a thing about it. As a matter of fact, my mage had the option to tell him so.

Maric made the son of a common farmer one of the highest nobles. Teyrn Loghain was a farmer's son, nothing more. Which makes Anora the granddaughter of a common farmer, and the daughter of a commoner risen to nobility without a drop of noble, let alone royal blood in them.

Modifié par Sabriana, 09 janvier 2010 - 12:53 .

[ejoslin]

Inzhuna wrote...

When does Zevran offer to die for you? I never had that dialogue
I'm playing with another character to get full Zevran romance again, so maybe will happen now.

Was very surprised yesterday when wanted to side with templars in the Circle, and suddenly, of all people, Zevran begged me to have mercy. Ah, he is winning more and more place in my heart. Move, Alistair, Move!!

He doesn't say, "I'll die for you,don't worry," or anything like that, and he offers this whether he's in love or at friendly.  When he thanks you for freeing him from the crows, if you tell him that you two are friends (NOT more than friends), he tells you he's with you until the end as someone has to prevent your untimely death (codex update). If you tell him he doesn't have to die, he tells you that the gray warden always dies.  Or their trusty sidekick.

Remember how in Redcliff, when Bann Teagan asks Alistair for help and Alistair tells him it's not up to him?  Keep that in mind if you're keeping Zevran in the party as a way to contrast the two.  It's very easy to get over Ali-love if you start looking at Ali's inner weakness vs Zevran's inner strength.

I have to do a Zevran-buddy walk through soon, and keep him around 60 until after Taliesin.  But it will not be this or my next playthrough.

Zevran had ZERO sympathy towards my dwarf noble's dillhema in Orzammar.  I had to do some seriously mind wrapping to put Bhelen on the throne, but I was able to justify it (but only because I know the outcomes).

[Lucy Glitter]

Yay! Let's all **** about how Zevran doesn't care! I mean, it couldn't possibly be because he's so screwed up, right?





...Right?

[Herr Uhl]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Yay! Let's all **** about how Zevran doesn't care! I mean, it couldn't possibly be because he's so screwed up, right?


...Right?

I'm with you Lucy.

'Tis all a fiendishly clever facade to further some scheme of his.

[Jayelet]

I told an urban elf, the answer is she did not want to turn the character into her lover, of course says nothing of marriage, that's for is totally discarded in the background that does not know to be king, only has personality some small things, sometimes not.
But Anora what you say is absolutely true and the funny thing is that no one contests. That's if .... your character is nothing more than a second U.S. Citizen because it is an elf, dwarf, mage. For my taste it grates on racism. Something to show much in the whole society Ferelden.
It is also true that when it strives to kill the dragon according to the for he can not live without your character. But I am one wonders, is it love that will not let go or is it too scary to reign?.

Modifié par Jayelet, 09 janvier 2010 - 01:30 .

[ejoslin]

Boo! I think he's the least screwed up of all the companions, though he has the most reason to be totally messed up. classic example of, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.'  Definitely rose to the top when living in a survival-of-the-fittest world.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 janvier 2010 - 01:31 .

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...

Boo! I think he's the least screwed up of all the companions, though he has the most reason to be totally messed up. classic example of, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.'  Definitely rose to the top when living in a survival-of-the-fittest world.

You only like him because Oghren dissed your advances, admit it!

Poor Zev, only being a rebound.